Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 le, I find that it helps to come up with a plan of action to deal with the various things you're afraid of. The more elements of the unknown are involved, the scarier these things are, so remove as much of the unknown as you can. If you are afraid of her contacting you, make a reaction plan for each way she might reasonably do it. What will you do and say? Phone calls are relatively simple for example - use caller ID if possible to identify calls from her and don't answer them. Having her show up at your door is harder to deal with, but you can still be prepared with things to say if she shows up. If you're afraid of your step-sister being on Facebook, make sure that you don't allow her to have access to things your write there that you don't want your stepnada to know about. Facebook allows you to ban people and to choose whether various things are made public or not. At 05:04 PM 07/04/2010 isisv60 wrote: >Hi, > >I'm pretty new to the board and haven't posted very much. I >have found reading various posts helps me greatly in so many >ways and are also very comforting. However, I need some help >with the lingering fear I have from my stepnada that is turning >out to be much bigger than I had previously been aware of. my >mom and stepmom are both BPD, but things are at a reasonable >place with my nada. She lives in another state, we don't see >each other very much (once a year at most), and have limited >phone contact. Since our contact is limited I am able to >maintain positive phone calls when we do talk, which is nice. >The relationship is far from perfect, but it is much better >than it has been (I think partly owing to her mother dying >about a year and a half ago). > >The issues now is my stepnada. I have very recently gone NC >with her and my dad and still have some significant fear in a >number of areas. The first fear area, which is not as bad as it >was and is slowly subsiding, is the immediate " is she gonna try >to get me? " " what is she gonna say that violates me or takes >things I told her in confidence against me? " However, I have >not heard from her in over a month, so I don't think this is >going to be an issue. > >The fear that is really turning out to be bigger than I thought >is the fear of doing well. I'm trying to lose 30 pounds and am >about to quit smoking again (my quit date will be in August >sometime), and I am reapplying to grad school this fall. So I >am really working very hard to make some very positive changes >in my lifestyle and for my health, as well as to continue to >advance my career and be able to work towards some long-term >financial security and well being. Given the many issues I have >faced over the years, these are things I have been working >towards for most of my adult life (I'll be 31 in a few months). > >My stepnada was always the cruelest to me when I was doing well >and my fear of her cutting me down when I'm doing well is far >more deep seated and MUCH stronger than I thought. The irony of >the whole situations is that I was so severely depressed for so >long (about 22 or 23 years, partially due to her treatment of >me), that her cutting me down totally prevented me from >realizing I had any worthwhile qualities whatsoever. In >reality, I have since come to realize (through years of therapy >and intense spiritual/religious devotion), that I have many >amazing qualities and am actually a very sweet, nice person, >which I am incredibly humble and grateful about. However, due >to my fear, I have a knee jerk response to stay in my comfort >zone and not move in any direction for fear of her judgment. >When I do well, she cuts me down, when I fail, it makes her >happy because then her children are clearly still " superior " to >me (I am smarter and prettier than her children are, and have >far more common sense and people skills- after about a year in >therapy, I started to identify with Cinderella, to my complete >surprise). > >I suspect some of the fear might be because the NC has been so >recent (it's been less than 2 months). I think some of it is >also having my stepsister on my Facebook. My stepnada is not, >but I still don't really trust my stepsister and on some level >feel like they will find a way to ruin my happiness and >success. Some of my concern is that she will find a way to >break contact or something will happen in the family for her to >break contact. I know she's vindictive and will wait as >many years as she has to in order to get her " revenge. " When >her and my father (who I have no relationship with b/c his >marriage to her is more important than his relationship with me >and he's said this is so many words before) celebrated their >20th wedding anniversary, they sent cards to the people who >thought their marriage wouldn't work out and they were nasty >cards. The first time I knowingly went NC with her, she waited >a year for her 'perfect " opportunity to tell me off, which >resulted in an even lengthier period of me going NC. > >I am determined to make this NC as permanent as possible. This >is partially because dealing with my nada easily gets >exhausting, but it is important for me to maintain a >relationship with her. So partially, I do not have the energy, >strength, or desire to manage relationships with 2 BPD's in >maternal roles. One is all I can reasonably handle. The other >reason is through my trial NC periods in my 20's, I have >realized my life is truly better and happier without her in it. >I am not afraid to pursue my various ambitions, to fail (which >I have since come to realize is a normal and healthy part of >life), my anxiety is lower, I am less depressed, and in >general, enjoy life more. > >I am at a point where it is important that I continue to push >myself to help continue with all these lifestyle changes I want >to make, and in my mind, complete the transition from victim to >survivor. I want this to be done and to be able to move on >without looking back, which I have been able to do previously >many times in a number of areas. I know I can do this, but it >almost feels like my fear of her is like a safety mechanism >holding me back that I have not yet learned to disarm. Any and >all suggestions, ways of looking at it, and so on and so forth >are welcome. If anyone is curious for more information about >various things, I will be happy to oblige. > >Sorry this is so long and thank you to everyone on here for >posting. Simply reading the posts gives me great comfort and >helps give me strength by knowing I'm not the only one in a >situation like this. > >le -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 I know what you mean about fear. It has taken me a long time to go past my fear (see my recent post), but I would suggest realizing that you are an adult now, not a child dependent on your stepnada. She doesn't have that much power over you anymore. You know the patterns and behavior of BPD, and knowledge is power. You can stop her in her tracks at any time. You are an adult and can leave the room/house/city at any time. You have your own life far away from the BP in your life. Take a baby step and see what happens. I really do believe that our BPs can't touch us as adults anymore. We are not children anymore. I hope you can find a way out of the fear, because that is a lingering effect of a BP laced childhood, and it just gives them power and control in our adult lives. As far as I am concerned, nada does not belong in my adult mind. Ding Dong the Witch is Dead! Wishing you the best Hugs Walkingto Happiness > > Hi, > > I'm pretty new to the board and haven't posted very much. I have found reading various posts helps me greatly in so many ways and are also very comforting. However, I need some help with the lingering fear I have from my stepnada that is turning out to be much bigger than I had previously been aware of. my mom and stepmom are both BPD, but things are at a reasonable place with my nada. She lives in another state, we don't see each other very much (once a year at most), and have limited phone contact. Since our contact is limited I am able to maintain positive phone calls when we do talk, which is nice. The relationship is far from perfect, but it is much better than it has been (I think partly owing to her mother dying about a year and a half ago). > > The issues now is my stepnada. I have very recently gone NC with her and my dad and still have some significant fear in a number of areas. The first fear area, which is not as bad as it was and is slowly subsiding, is the immediate " is she gonna try to get me? " " what is she gonna say that violates me or takes things I told her in confidence against me? " However, I have not heard from her in over a month, so I don't think this is going to be an issue. > > The fear that is really turning out to be bigger than I thought is the fear of doing well. I'm trying to lose 30 pounds and am about to quit smoking again (my quit date will be in August sometime), and I am reapplying to grad school this fall. So I am really working very hard to make some very positive changes in my lifestyle and for my health, as well as to continue to advance my career and be able to work towards some long-term financial security and well being. Given the many issues I have faced over the years, these are things I have been working towards for most of my adult life (I'll be 31 in a few months). > > My stepnada was always the cruelest to me when I was doing well and my fear of her cutting me down when I'm doing well is far more deep seated and MUCH stronger than I thought. The irony of the whole situations is that I was so severely depressed for so long (about 22 or 23 years, partially due to her treatment of me), that her cutting me down totally prevented me from realizing I had any worthwhile qualities whatsoever. In reality, I have since come to realize (through years of therapy and intense spiritual/religious devotion), that I have many amazing qualities and am actually a very sweet, nice person, which I am incredibly humble and grateful about. However, due to my fear, I have a knee jerk response to stay in my comfort zone and not move in any direction for fear of her judgment. When I do well, she cuts me down, when I fail, it makes her happy because then her children are clearly still " superior " to me (I am smarter and prettier than her children are, and have far more common sense and people skills- after about a year in therapy, I started to identify with Cinderella, to my complete surprise). > > I suspect some of the fear might be because the NC has been so recent (it's been less than 2 months). I think some of it is also having my stepsister on my Facebook. My stepnada is not, but I still don't really trust my stepsister and on some level feel like they will find a way to ruin my happiness and success. Some of my concern is that she will find a way to break contact or something will happen in the family for her to break contact. I know she's vindictive and will wait as many years as she has to in order to get her " revenge. " When her and my father (who I have no relationship with b/c his marriage to her is more important than his relationship with me and he's said this is so many words before) celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary, they sent cards to the people who thought their marriage wouldn't work out and they were nasty cards. The first time I knowingly went NC with her, she waited a year for her 'perfect " opportunity to tell me off, which resulted in an even lengthier period of me going NC. > > I am determined to make this NC as permanent as possible. This is partially because dealing with my nada easily gets exhausting, but it is important for me to maintain a relationship with her. So partially, I do not have the energy, strength, or desire to manage relationships with 2 BPD's in maternal roles. One is all I can reasonably handle. The other reason is through my trial NC periods in my 20's, I have realized my life is truly better and happier without her in it. I am not afraid to pursue my various ambitions, to fail (which I have since come to realize is a normal and healthy part of life), my anxiety is lower, I am less depressed, and in general, enjoy life more. > > I am at a point where it is important that I continue to push myself to help continue with all these lifestyle changes I want to make, and in my mind, complete the transition from victim to survivor. I want this to be done and to be able to move on without looking back, which I have been able to do previously many times in a number of areas. I know I can do this, but it almost feels like my fear of her is like a safety mechanism holding me back that I have not yet learned to disarm. Any and all suggestions, ways of looking at it, and so on and so forth are welcome. If anyone is curious for more information about various things, I will be happy to oblige. > > Sorry this is so long and thank you to everyone on here for posting. Simply reading the posts gives me great comfort and helps give me strength by knowing I'm not the only one in a situation like this. > > le > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 congrats on finding your strengths and getting appreciation for your good qualities. your post just underscores that the negative feedback and treatment has one purpose, to keep us from moving forward and growing as people (and away from them) because they are so afraid of abandonment. it's actually good to know that you are afraid. if you are moving toward quitting smoking you are going to be feeling more and more of the fear so it's good progress to know you are in it and acknowledge it. I have pretty strong feelings about social networking sites, i think they should be for fun and if they are not fun then something needs to change. I never had any family on mine when I had one. Initially I had all of my family hid. I eventually closed my facebook for other reasons but I don't see the point in having this stuff if it's not something you enjoy, if it gives you anxiety you can adjust your settings, there are certain ways of adjusting your posts and info so they are not visible to certain users. There was some facebook drama in my family a couple of weeks ago that I thought was ridiculous, and since I dont' have a page I just was able to laugh about it and feel sorry for the people involved. > > Hi, > > I'm pretty new to the board and haven't posted very much. I have found reading various posts helps me greatly in so many ways and are also very comforting. However, I need some help with the lingering fear I have from my stepnada that is turning out to be much bigger than I had previously been aware of. my mom and stepmom are both BPD, but things are at a reasonable place with my nada. She lives in another state, we don't see each other very much (once a year at most), and have limited phone contact. Since our contact is limited I am able to maintain positive phone calls when we do talk, which is nice. The relationship is far from perfect, but it is much better than it has been (I think partly owing to her mother dying about a year and a half ago). > > The issues now is my stepnada. I have very recently gone NC with her and my dad and still have some significant fear in a number of areas. The first fear area, which is not as bad as it was and is slowly subsiding, is the immediate " is she gonna try to get me? " " what is she gonna say that violates me or takes things I told her in confidence against me? " However, I have not heard from her in over a month, so I don't think this is going to be an issue. > > The fear that is really turning out to be bigger than I thought is the fear of doing well. I'm trying to lose 30 pounds and am about to quit smoking again (my quit date will be in August sometime), and I am reapplying to grad school this fall. So I am really working very hard to make some very positive changes in my lifestyle and for my health, as well as to continue to advance my career and be able to work towards some long-term financial security and well being. Given the many issues I have faced over the years, these are things I have been working towards for most of my adult life (I'll be 31 in a few months). > > My stepnada was always the cruelest to me when I was doing well and my fear of her cutting me down when I'm doing well is far more deep seated and MUCH stronger than I thought. The irony of the whole situations is that I was so severely depressed for so long (about 22 or 23 years, partially due to her treatment of me), that her cutting me down totally prevented me from realizing I had any worthwhile qualities whatsoever. In reality, I have since come to realize (through years of therapy and intense spiritual/religious devotion), that I have many amazing qualities and am actually a very sweet, nice person, which I am incredibly humble and grateful about. However, due to my fear, I have a knee jerk response to stay in my comfort zone and not move in any direction for fear of her judgment. When I do well, she cuts me down, when I fail, it makes her happy because then her children are clearly still " superior " to me (I am smarter and prettier than her children are, and have far more common sense and people skills- after about a year in therapy, I started to identify with Cinderella, to my complete surprise). > > I suspect some of the fear might be because the NC has been so recent (it's been less than 2 months). I think some of it is also having my stepsister on my Facebook. My stepnada is not, but I still don't really trust my stepsister and on some level feel like they will find a way to ruin my happiness and success. Some of my concern is that she will find a way to break contact or something will happen in the family for her to break contact. I know she's vindictive and will wait as many years as she has to in order to get her " revenge. " When her and my father (who I have no relationship with b/c his marriage to her is more important than his relationship with me and he's said this is so many words before) celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary, they sent cards to the people who thought their marriage wouldn't work out and they were nasty cards. The first time I knowingly went NC with her, she waited a year for her 'perfect " opportunity to tell me off, which resulted in an even lengthier period of me going NC. > > I am determined to make this NC as permanent as possible. This is partially because dealing with my nada easily gets exhausting, but it is important for me to maintain a relationship with her. So partially, I do not have the energy, strength, or desire to manage relationships with 2 BPD's in maternal roles. One is all I can reasonably handle. The other reason is through my trial NC periods in my 20's, I have realized my life is truly better and happier without her in it. I am not afraid to pursue my various ambitions, to fail (which I have since come to realize is a normal and healthy part of life), my anxiety is lower, I am less depressed, and in general, enjoy life more. > > I am at a point where it is important that I continue to push myself to help continue with all these lifestyle changes I want to make, and in my mind, complete the transition from victim to survivor. I want this to be done and to be able to move on without looking back, which I have been able to do previously many times in a number of areas. I know I can do this, but it almost feels like my fear of her is like a safety mechanism holding me back that I have not yet learned to disarm. Any and all suggestions, ways of looking at it, and so on and so forth are welcome. If anyone is curious for more information about various things, I will be happy to oblige. > > Sorry this is so long and thank you to everyone on here for posting. Simply reading the posts gives me great comfort and helps give me strength by knowing I'm not the only one in a situation like this. > > le > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Well done on taking positive steps in your own life. For me, keeping going down my own path of positivity and recovery no matter the craziness around me has in the long run helped me with my fear. The satisfaction of achieving a goal (no matter how small- at first it was as simple as keeping my apartment tidy) is a good antidote to fear. A turnng point for me was reading 'feel the fear and do it anyway' (can't remember author, I am sure google will know). It really broke down for me what my fear was about and put it in some perspective. Nav > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm pretty new to the board and haven't posted very much. I have found reading various posts helps me greatly in so many ways and are also very comforting. However, I need some help with the lingering fear I have from my stepnada that is turning out to be much bigger than I had previously been aware of. my mom and stepmom are both BPD, but things are at a reasonable place with my nada. She lives in another state, we don't see each other very much (once a year at most), and have limited phone contact. Since our contact is limited I am able to maintain positive phone calls when we do talk, which is nice. The relationship is far from perfect, but it is much better than it has been (I think partly owing to her mother dying about a year and a half ago). > > > > The issues now is my stepnada. I have very recently gone NC with her and my dad and still have some significant fear in a number of areas. The first fear area, which is not as bad as it was and is slowly subsiding, is the immediate " is she gonna try to get me? " " what is she gonna say that violates me or takes things I told her in confidence against me? " However, I have not heard from her in over a month, so I don't think this is going to be an issue. > > > > The fear that is really turning out to be bigger than I thought is the fear of doing well. I'm trying to lose 30 pounds and am about to quit smoking again (my quit date will be in August sometime), and I am reapplying to grad school this fall. So I am really working very hard to make some very positive changes in my lifestyle and for my health, as well as to continue to advance my career and be able to work towards some long-term financial security and well being. Given the many issues I have faced over the years, these are things I have been working towards for most of my adult life (I'll be 31 in a few months). > > > > My stepnada was always the cruelest to me when I was doing well and my fear of her cutting me down when I'm doing well is far more deep seated and MUCH stronger than I thought. The irony of the whole situations is that I was so severely depressed for so long (about 22 or 23 years, partially due to her treatment of me), that her cutting me down totally prevented me from realizing I had any worthwhile qualities whatsoever. In reality, I have since come to realize (through years of therapy and intense spiritual/religious devotion), that I have many amazing qualities and am actually a very sweet, nice person, which I am incredibly humble and grateful about. However, due to my fear, I have a knee jerk response to stay in my comfort zone and not move in any direction for fear of her judgment. When I do well, she cuts me down, when I fail, it makes her happy because then her children are clearly still " superior " to me (I am smarter and prettier than her children are, and have far more common sense and people skills- after about a year in therapy, I started to identify with Cinderella, to my complete surprise). > > > > I suspect some of the fear might be because the NC has been so recent (it's been less than 2 months). I think some of it is also having my stepsister on my Facebook. My stepnada is not, but I still don't really trust my stepsister and on some level feel like they will find a way to ruin my happiness and success. Some of my concern is that she will find a way to break contact or something will happen in the family for her to break contact. I know she's vindictive and will wait as many years as she has to in order to get her " revenge. " When her and my father (who I have no relationship with b/c his marriage to her is more important than his relationship with me and he's said this is so many words before) celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary, they sent cards to the people who thought their marriage wouldn't work out and they were nasty cards. The first time I knowingly went NC with her, she waited a year for her 'perfect " opportunity to tell me off, which resulted in an even lengthier period of me going NC. > > > > I am determined to make this NC as permanent as possible. This is partially because dealing with my nada easily gets exhausting, but it is important for me to maintain a relationship with her. So partially, I do not have the energy, strength, or desire to manage relationships with 2 BPD's in maternal roles. One is all I can reasonably handle. The other reason is through my trial NC periods in my 20's, I have realized my life is truly better and happier without her in it. I am not afraid to pursue my various ambitions, to fail (which I have since come to realize is a normal and healthy part of life), my anxiety is lower, I am less depressed, and in general, enjoy life more. > > > > I am at a point where it is important that I continue to push myself to help continue with all these lifestyle changes I want to make, and in my mind, complete the transition from victim to survivor. I want this to be done and to be able to move on without looking back, which I have been able to do previously many times in a number of areas. I know I can do this, but it almost feels like my fear of her is like a safety mechanism holding me back that I have not yet learned to disarm. Any and all suggestions, ways of looking at it, and so on and so forth are welcome. If anyone is curious for more information about various things, I will be happy to oblige. > > > > Sorry this is so long and thank you to everyone on here for posting. Simply reading the posts gives me great comfort and helps give me strength by knowing I'm not the only one in a situation like this. > > > > le > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Isis, I am in very much a similar situation, with a nada mom and a stepnada. I see my nada once a year too, and we have a decent relationship. Stepnada, on the other hand... I think she is much lower functioning than my nada. Fear took a while for me to disarm as well. When she would sabotage me, in much the same ways you describe, I began to realize that other people saw her nuttiness and actually had sympathy for me. That told me that her insanity was all on her -- that her cruelty came from her insanity and was her responsibility. It was a revelation that I did not have to make peace with her, did not have to subjugate myself to her -- and that others saw her the way I did. That was a huge encouragement. My husband also said something else the other day that was a complete revelation. SHE IS NOT YOUR FAMILY. You owe her NOTHING. You don't have to take care of her in her old age. You don't have to give her mother birthday cards to avoid her next rage. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. And once you realize there IS no obligation, you can de-friend your stepsiblings if you want to, depending on whether they are her flying monkeys. Or, if they also see her madness, perhaps you and they have something in common, a joint struggle. But, bottom line, she's not family and you owe her NOTHING. Best of everything to you, and may you have much success. Tina > > Hi, > > I'm pretty new to the board and haven't posted very much. I have found reading various posts helps me greatly in so many ways and are also very comforting. However, I need some help with the lingering fear I have from my stepnada that is turning out to be much bigger than I had previously been aware of. my mom and stepmom are both BPD, but things are at a reasonable place with my nada. She lives in another state, we don't see each other very much (once a year at most), and have limited phone contact. Since our contact is limited I am able to maintain positive phone calls when we do talk, which is nice. The relationship is far from perfect, but it is much better than it has been (I think partly owing to her mother dying about a year and a half ago). > > The issues now is my stepnada. I have very recently gone NC with her and my dad and still have some significant fear in a number of areas. The first fear area, which is not as bad as it was and is slowly subsiding, is the immediate " is she gonna try to get me? " " what is she gonna say that violates me or takes things I told her in confidence against me? " However, I have not heard from her in over a month, so I don't think this is going to be an issue. > > The fear that is really turning out to be bigger than I thought is the fear of doing well. I'm trying to lose 30 pounds and am about to quit smoking again (my quit date will be in August sometime), and I am reapplying to grad school this fall. So I am really working very hard to make some very positive changes in my lifestyle and for my health, as well as to continue to advance my career and be able to work towards some long-term financial security and well being. Given the many issues I have faced over the years, these are things I have been working towards for most of my adult life (I'll be 31 in a few months). > > My stepnada was always the cruelest to me when I was doing well and my fear of her cutting me down when I'm doing well is far more deep seated and MUCH stronger than I thought. The irony of the whole situations is that I was so severely depressed for so long (about 22 or 23 years, partially due to her treatment of me), that her cutting me down totally prevented me from realizing I had any worthwhile qualities whatsoever. In reality, I have since come to realize (through years of therapy and intense spiritual/religious devotion), that I have many amazing qualities and am actually a very sweet, nice person, which I am incredibly humble and grateful about. However, due to my fear, I have a knee jerk response to stay in my comfort zone and not move in any direction for fear of her judgment. When I do well, she cuts me down, when I fail, it makes her happy because then her children are clearly still " superior " to me (I am smarter and prettier than her children are, and have far more common sense and people skills- after about a year in therapy, I started to identify with Cinderella, to my complete surprise). > > I suspect some of the fear might be because the NC has been so recent (it's been less than 2 months). I think some of it is also having my stepsister on my Facebook. My stepnada is not, but I still don't really trust my stepsister and on some level feel like they will find a way to ruin my happiness and success. Some of my concern is that she will find a way to break contact or something will happen in the family for her to break contact. I know she's vindictive and will wait as many years as she has to in order to get her " revenge. " When her and my father (who I have no relationship with b/c his marriage to her is more important than his relationship with me and he's said this is so many words before) celebrated their 20th wedding anniversary, they sent cards to the people who thought their marriage wouldn't work out and they were nasty cards. The first time I knowingly went NC with her, she waited a year for her 'perfect " opportunity to tell me off, which resulted in an even lengthier period of me going NC. > > I am determined to make this NC as permanent as possible. This is partially because dealing with my nada easily gets exhausting, but it is important for me to maintain a relationship with her. So partially, I do not have the energy, strength, or desire to manage relationships with 2 BPD's in maternal roles. One is all I can reasonably handle. The other reason is through my trial NC periods in my 20's, I have realized my life is truly better and happier without her in it. I am not afraid to pursue my various ambitions, to fail (which I have since come to realize is a normal and healthy part of life), my anxiety is lower, I am less depressed, and in general, enjoy life more. > > I am at a point where it is important that I continue to push myself to help continue with all these lifestyle changes I want to make, and in my mind, complete the transition from victim to survivor. I want this to be done and to be able to move on without looking back, which I have been able to do previously many times in a number of areas. I know I can do this, but it almost feels like my fear of her is like a safety mechanism holding me back that I have not yet learned to disarm. Any and all suggestions, ways of looking at it, and so on and so forth are welcome. If anyone is curious for more information about various things, I will be happy to oblige. > > Sorry this is so long and thank you to everyone on here for posting. Simply reading the posts gives me great comfort and helps give me strength by knowing I'm not the only one in a situation like this. > > le > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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