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Mike,

I take 700 mg. after each meal (lunch and dinner). I think it helps with

the digestion of protein which is a problem for many PWC's. Steve B.

Betaine

> For those of you using Betaine, are you using the recommended

> dosage, 1-2 per day, or are you taking much more since some of us

> are low on stomach acid. I am having a real hard time digesting

> my food, and am losing weight because I can't eat very much. Thanks,

>

> Mike

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other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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I take 2/500mg capsules 3 times a day after meals. This has helped me

more than any other supplement that I've taken to date. I'm

absorbing minerals and nutrients much better and I no longer has

indigestion. Dr.Cheney rec's that you can take up to 9 capsules/day,

if it burns when you take it then you are taking too much or you

don't need it. J

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> > For those of you using Betaine, are you using the recommended

> > dosage, 1-2 per day, or are you taking much more since some of us

> > are low on stomach acid. I am having a real hard time digesting

> > my food, and am losing weight because I can't eat very much.

Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

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> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences

with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Mike,

I recently read on some website (didn't bookmark it so can't provide

URL) two drs. were suggesting that you experimentally increase the

number of tablets of Betaine HCl by one with each protein heavy meal.

When you get to the point that your stomach has a slight burning

sensation then back off the number of tablets by one for your next

meal. If you do experiment, I would be interested in hearing your

results. I have just recently started taking betaine HCl

experimentally to see what effect it will have toward candida.

All the best,

Jim

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Fibromyalgia: A hypothesis of etiology

http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

> For those of you using Betaine, are you using the recommended

> dosage, 1-2 per day, or are you taking much more since some of us

> are low on stomach acid. I am having a real hard time digesting

> my food, and am losing weight because I can't eat very much.

Thanks,

>

> Mike

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> For those of you using Betaine, are you using the recommended

> dosage, 1-2 per day, or are you taking much more since some of us

> are low on stomach acid. I am having a real hard time digesting

> my food, and am losing weight because I can't eat very much. Thanks,

>

> Mike

Mike:

I highly recommend two products to help digestion (and I'm extremely

sensitive to most stuff). For beteine, I use Metagest, by Metagenics.

For digestive enzymes, I use Metazyme, also by Metagenics. The

Metazyme is taken in the middle of the meal; the Metagest, after the

meal. Metagenics is Bland's company. Bland formulated the Ultraclear

that Dr. Cheney uses. You can order these products from Feline Butcher

(nutritionist) in Studio City.

Jackie

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> > For those of you using Betaine, are you using the recommended

> > dosage, 1-2 per day, or are you taking much more since some of us

> > are low on stomach acid. I am having a real hard time digesting

> > my food, and am losing weight because I can't eat very much.

> Thanks,

> >

> > Mike

Thanks to everyone who responded to this thread. I was only taking

at most 500 mg. per day, so no wonder I wasn't digesting my food

properly. I have never noticed any kind of burning sensation, but I

have noticed a lack of 'stomach sounds' after eating, which I am now

beginning to realized may mean a lack of stomach acid or enzymes. I

will gradually increase the betaine dose and report back.

Mike

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In a message dated 4/7/2001 8:34:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

french10@... writes:

<< Bland formulated the Ultraclear

that Dr. Cheney uses >>

Be careful with this product. There are several formulations and the

standard one is a big glutathione user (this is probably why it put me in bed

for about 3 months- no kidding, this one product made me that ill). There is

one for " imbalanced detoxifiers " that I (and probably others with glutathione

deficiency) would probably do better on. The great smokies detox panel can

show whether you are an imbalanced detoxifier.

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In a message dated 4/18/01 12:57:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Inthepresent@... writes:

<< Be careful with this product. There are several formulations and the

standard one is a big glutathione user (this is probably why it put me in

bed

for about 3 months- no kidding, this one product made me that ill). There

is

one for " imbalanced detoxifiers " that I (and probably others with

glutathione

deficiency) would probably do better on. The great smokies detox panel can

show whether you are an imbalanced detoxifier. >>

, do you know what the product is called for imbalanced detoxifiers?

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Patti,

>do you have any understanding as to why the betaine would

make your child seizure?

I don't have anything but a general idea. Andy gave me some feedback

about acetylcholine pathways that has helped. Anything that we have

tried that is supposed to help facilitate this has been a disaster.

Choline was a choice that produced seizures - I related that to the

soy component as she still is very 'milk sensitive.' However, a

recent trial with choline CL gave her the same response; as did DHEA.

She does ok with glycine. The DMG(which also provoked seizures

initially) is ok now since we've been chelating and we use 125mg bid,

probably not a weight appropriate amount for 130# but I've been

hesitant to increase further; those others(betaine, choline) with

more methyl groups are not ok. Maybe some of the chemists on board

can give us a lay person response.

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Hi Marcia,

I'm jealous! :)

I WISH I could gain 20lbs, or even 2! And I've been taking betaine HCL 4-5 caps

with

every meal for years. I have gained about 5 lbs in the last year, but I'm still

about 20lbs

under the ideal weight for my height.

I don't think your weight gain is related to the betaine, unless of course

you've gained it

much, much faster than in the past...that's just a guess however.

Dan

p.s. maybe I should check out those " Enhanced Super Digestive Enzymes " ??? Do

you take

them right at the same time as the betaine, or do you wait until a little later

during the

meal?

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> Hello all,

>

> About a week ago I gave myself the quicky stomach acid test (baking

> soda in water, then see how long it takes to burp). Well, no burp at

> all in the first 10 minutes, and only the tiniest burp a few minutes

> after that. So... low stomach acid. I started taking 1 Betaine Hcl

> tablet before each meal, along with the 2 caps Enhanced Super

> Digestive Enzymes I've been taking for awhile. (I swear, I think the

> same person names these things who labels olives.) My stools started

> coming out both lighter in color and softer, so apparently it's having

> some effect. However, I also have promptly gained about 2 pounds. Has

> anyone else experienced weight gain as a result of starting Betaine or

> other Hcl (hydrochloric acid) supplements? I'm guessing it means my

> body is doing a better job of digesting and using food, which is good.

> But I'm also already 20 lbs heavier than I'd like to be, waaah!

>

> Just curious to know if anybody else has experienced the same thing.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Marcia on

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Dear Dan,

If I could send you my extra 20 lbs, I would! That'd solve it for both

of us! Ha!

As far as how I take it, I take 1 Betaine tablet, then a couple bites

of food, then the 2 Enhanced Super Digestive Enzymes caps. No one told

me to do this, but it seems to make sense to me to separate them a

little with food.

I get the digestive enzymes through Dr Amy Yasko's Holistic Health

site. She has been quite specific about this product being better than

other over-the-counter digestive enzymes. I think you can also get it

through other online sources.

Best wishes,

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

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> Dear Dan,

>

> If I could send you my extra 20 lbs, I would! That'd solve it for both

> of us! Ha!

>

> As far as how I take it, I take 1 Betaine tablet, then a couple bites

> of food, then the 2 Enhanced Super Digestive Enzymes caps. No one told

> me to do this, but it seems to make sense to me to separate them a

> little with food.

>

>

Hi Marcia and Dan,

This is exactly how I was told to take them per gastroenterologist for

my chronic pancreatitis.

I also take my hard to digest supplements when I take the Betaine HCL.

Then I start the meal, wait a few minutes, then take the digestive

enzymes.

This mimics the body's digestive process. Actually, the last step is

when the pancreas releases a bicarbonate to nullify the enzymes. No

one has ever told me to do this, so I haven't, but it makes sense.

Marti

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