Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Ken, The article is about Nattokinase but at present I am using bromelain which when taken on a empty stomach acts as an anticoagulant. My son does have a virus and dose well on valtrex. The theory is that the virus can not be cleared up because it is hiding in the fibrin and this also affect neurotransmission. THis article talks about a number of things that I believe we should look into for our autistic children. Do a search on Berg, Bromelain was his first choice for coagulation problems followed by nattokinase. Now he is talking about lumbrokinase. If you e-mail me privately I can send you some things I have saved. I have chelated my son for two years. I believe the mercury toxicity led to viral problems that led to coagulation problems that led to neurotoxin problems. Therefore we need to chelate, address viruses, address coagulation(Dave berg Hemex labs) and neurotoxins (shoemaker's protocol-but I think Andy can come up w/ a better one.)) > THis will make our children better. I hope this helps. nne > Are you talking about Bromelain or Nattokinase having this wonderful effect > on your child? The article is about nattokinase or am I reading the wrong > one. Please give us more information. Anybody else using Bromelain or > Nattokinase this successfully? > Best wishes and much love, Ken > > Ken Gullan > Institute for Research Integration (IRI) > San Diego, CA 92106-2424 > IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with > developmental difficulties. > To contact me off-list use kengullan@c... or call 619-222-1104 > > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:20:26 -0000 > > From: " marib005 <marib005@h...> " <marib005@h...> > > Subject: OT:CHECK OUT THIS INFORMATION > > > > lISTMATES: > > > > You have to check out this article. The title should also include > > autism to it's list. I have been giving my son Jack 2000mg a day of > > bromelain in divided doses away from food so it can act as an > > anticoagulant and he is clicking in. It is, as if, I am accessing > > part of his brain again that went away when he was two. He is > > babbling all of the time, doing foward rolls, say na, na,na and ho t > > spontaneously like he use to. > > > > http://www.allergyresearchgroup.com/news/letter/htm > > check out the August 2002 issue. > > > > I hope this helps, > > > > nne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 ne, Was it you who used the combination of valtrex, biaxin and acyclovir (sp?) to treat the stealth/PANSAS-like virus your son had? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 > Ken, > > The article is about Nattokinase but at present I am using bromelain > which when taken on a empty stomach acts as an anticoagulant. My > son does have a virus and dose well on valtrex. The theory is that > the virus can not be cleared up because it is hiding in the fibrin > and this also affect neurotransmission. THis article talks about a > number of things that I believe we should look into for our autistic > children. Do a search on Berg, Bromelain was his first choice > for coagulation problems followed by nattokinase. Now he is talking > about lumbrokinase. If you e-mail me privately I can send you some > things I have saved. I have generally heard from health care practitioners who use Berg's lab that all the tests come back abnormal, but only some of the patients benefit. I have some very tentative and preliminary information that people with (blood test) fibrinogen over 300 do well on nattokinase, those below don't respond to it. Presumably this is so of bromelain and lumbrokinase. There is also a product called " padma basic " that has similar but milder effects. Omega 3's make blood thinner, 6's thicken it. Vitamin E thins blood by preventing excessive activation of omega 6 EFA's which when activated cause clotting. Vitamin K is important for coagulation and is produced by intestinal microorganisms. Dysbiotic individuals (anyone toxic) often don't make enough and some vitamin K or green tea extract or just regular green tea will help them. These people tend to bruise easily, but more vitamin K is only a problem for people on coumadin therapy. Coagulation is really complicated and lots of things influence it. The above are only a few factors. > I have chelated my son for two years. I believe the mercury > toxicity led to viral problems that led to coagulation problems that > led to neurotoxin problems. Therefore we need to chelate, address > viruses, address coagulation(Dave berg Hemex labs) and neurotoxins > (shoemaker's protocol-but I think Andy can come up w/ a better > one.)) This will make our children better. I have actually reviewed this file in consultation to Jack's physician (and am making this post with nne's permission) and I must say that his history is very complicated and it isn't clear what came first or how much of his particular issues are truly relevant to most of the children discussed on this list. Viruses, perfusion, coagulation and heavy metals are clearly relevant issues for Jack due to his history, but other children may have some of them and not others. Testing, thoughtful evaluation and therapeutic trials are needed to sort out what works in each case. > I hope this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2003 Report Share Posted March 14, 2003 My son is severly ADHD and ODD. We did the HEMEX blood coagulation test on him and it came back normal. We have not chelated yet but he always been so unresponsive to the mainstream meds to control his behaviors, that I have been wondering if he might not be one of those hard to figure out cases that has a virus also. Does anyone have any ideas as to whether a normal test might indicate that there isn't a virus involved? Thanks so much. >Ken, > > > > The article is about Nattokinase but at present I am using bromelain > > which when taken on a empty stomach acts as an anticoagulant. My > > son does have a virus and dose well on valtrex. The theory is that > > the virus can not be cleared up because it is hiding in the fibrin > > and this also affect neurotransmission. THis article talks about a > > number of things that I believe we should look into for our autistic > > children. Do a search on Berg, Bromelain was his first choice > > for coagulation problems followed by nattokinase. Now he is talking > > about lumbrokinase. If you e-mail me privately I can send you some > > things I have saved. > > I have generally heard from health care practitioners who use Berg's > lab that all the tests come back abnormal, but only some of the > patients benefit. > > I have some very tentative and preliminary information that people > with (blood test) fibrinogen over 300 do well on nattokinase, those > below don't respond to it. Presumably this is so of bromelain and > lumbrokinase. There is also a product called " padma basic " that has > similar but milder effects. > > Omega 3's make blood thinner, 6's thicken it. > > Vitamin E thins blood by preventing excessive activation of omega 6 > EFA's which when activated cause clotting. > > Vitamin K is important for coagulation and is produced by intestinal > microorganisms. Dysbiotic individuals (anyone toxic) often don't make > enough and some vitamin K or green tea extract or just regular green > tea will help them. These people tend to bruise easily, but more > vitamin K is only a problem for people on coumadin therapy. > > Coagulation is really complicated and lots of things influence it. > The above are only a few factors. > > > I have chelated my son for two years. I believe the mercury > > toxicity led to viral problems that led to coagulation problems that > > led to neurotoxin problems. Therefore we need to chelate, address > > viruses, address coagulation(Dave berg Hemex labs) and neurotoxins > > (shoemaker's protocol-but I think Andy can come up w/ a better > > one.)) This will make our children better. > > I have actually reviewed this file in consultation to Jack's physician > (and am making this post with nne's permission) and I must say > that his history is very complicated and it isn't clear what came > first or how much of his particular issues are truly relevant to most > of the children discussed on this list. Viruses, perfusion, > coagulation and heavy metals are clearly relevant issues for Jack due > to his history, but other children may have some of them and not > others. Testing, thoughtful evaluation and therapeutic trials are > needed to sort out what works in each case. > > > I hope this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 > Darrell, > Does this make any noticable differences for you? > Beau Nothing I measured or put a finger on. Supposedly nattokinase is helpful for blood pressure. Since I don't have a blood pressure monitor I can't comment personally, but it would be simple for someone with a monitor to check their bp before eating natto (or spores) and check again about 5 to 10 hours later. Some articles about it have said there are no harmful side-effects compared to the prescription drugs given for the same reasons, unless stopping osteoporosis and preventing blood clots is a side effect. Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I just received an order of Natto from asiangrocer.com. Very fresh. Arrived in a Styrofoam chilled container. It's very good!!! I am assuming that it is the base for the nattokinase? ~Robin R. http://www.asianfoodgrocer.com/index.asp?PageAction=PRODSEARCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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