Re: logicom

April 13, 2002

> Has anyone used/seen the new logicom fm receiver system? Our daughter

> has a Ci that is compatible and it might solve some of the personal

> sound field problems we have had this year in Kindergarten.

I don't have any experience with it (but would love to hear if anyone else

has as we're looking to upgrade JD's FM to the Logicom in the next year or

so.)

What I do have to share with you is a link

http://www.listen-up.org/implant.htm#info

scroll down to Logicom (It's alphabetical). You'll find links to their

Product Data Sheet & User Operating Guide

http://www.nvrc.org/shhh_conference_7.htm

has a short blurb from someone who tried it out at a convention.

It also contains a link to avr, the folks who make it, but every time I try

to follow it, it causes internet explorer to crash.

Hugs,

Kay

April 14, 2002

Good Morning,

We are in week three of our trial with the Logicom. Like any other

technical device...some good...and some issues to work through. Lets see

where to start...I guess first I will share that at the beginning of our

trial, we took both the girls in for testing with their Sound Fields. They

both have the lightspeed portable sound field. Our audy, along with the

school audy performed a series of tests including setting up some similar

noise situations you would find in a class room. Although we have loved the

lightspeed, it was clear they where missing some important information. We

then left with the logicoms for our four week trial. Our first incredible

experience we using it on the softball field. I felt a little like

" God " ...My youngest decided laying on the gound in the outfield was a good

choice...I was standing with the batter, and just simply said " Holly stand

up " , and she did! LOLOL What mother wouldn't like this power ? Our

first week of school, we had to work some bugs out. We found out quickly if

you have two children with the device in classrooms next to each other, it is

a good idea to have them on different channels. reported that Holly's

teacher had to tell Holly to " sit down. " LOL It took us a few days to get

all the signs and symbols together I.E. the 7 really is an L upside down

meaning low battery...We started using the lapel mic, and quickly switched to

using the transmitter mic, and then informed us that was better, she

didn't hear " ckkkk " during the day.

So...In this three weeks what I can say is...the teachers have reported

that they feel the girls are more involved in what's going on in the class,

seem they pay more attention in times they may have wondered some. Both the

SLP, and the IT teacher say they really like the device. Both of the girls

like the device..although I will say that you do need to really help them

share information to troubleshoot it, and get impute on the best set up.

Holly told me one day she couldn't hear..after looking at everything and

asking lots of questions I finally got that she could hear it was just quiet,

made a couple of changes and all was well.

An interesting note that I do want to share...I have a adult friend that

got her CI about 2 months ago. I hooked her up to it, and she told me that

it sounded just like I sounded when I was talking to her through her

processor. The sound quality is amazing. What I think I have learned

through these 3 weeks is that it does offer greater access in a classroom,

and that figuring out the ins and outs of how to wear it, the extra cords,

the changing batteries will be a fair trade off to the amazing potential it

offers. Ok.. Hope this offers some thoughts. We will go on the first Monday

and Tuesday of May to perform the same testing with the logicom that we did

with the lightspeeds. I will be more than happy to share the results of

those tests, with anyone interested.

Clarion 8/99

Holly Clarion 12/99

April 14, 2002

In a message dated 4/14/2002 8:38:45 AM Mountain Standard Time,

AVHear2@... writes:

Hi , I would be interested to see how your girls do. I am thinking of

requesting the logicom for my son for school. It would be very handy for

times when he isn ot sitting still, which seems to be a lot of the time, LOL.

We did give it a very brief trial before, but I think my son was in a

negative mode prior to even trying it and really didn't want to be hooked up

to anything else, smile, so he used every excuse in the book not to wear it.

He told me it was staticky, and well, I can't check that so I wasn't sure.

He is VERY good about trouble shooting his implant himself, and instantly

knows when it is not working correctly, he won't put up with anything less,

smile.

Anyway, keep us posted,

Orfhlaith Nic An Aircinnigh

P. N24 6/99

> Good Morning,

>

> We are in week three of our trial with the Logicom. Like any other

> technical device...some good...and some issues to work through. Lets see

> where to start...I guess first I will share that at the beginning of our

> trial, we took both the girls in for testing with their Sound Fields. They

>

> both have the lightspeed portable sound field. Our audy, along with the

> school audy performed a series of tests including setting up some similar

> noise situations you would find in a class room. Although we have loved

> the

> lightspeed, it was clear they where missing some important information. We

>

> then left with the logicoms for our four week trial. Our first incredible

> experience we using it on the softball field. I felt a little like

> " God " ...My youngest decided laying on the gound in the outfield was a good

> choice...I was standing with the batter, and just simply said " Holly stand

>

> up " , and she did! LOLOL What mother wouldn't like this power ? Our

> first week of school, we had to work some bugs out. We found out quickly

> if

> you have two children with the device in classrooms next to each other, it

> is

> a good idea to have them on different channels. reported that

> Holly's

> teacher had to tell Holly to " sit down. " LOL It took us a few days to get

>

> all the signs and symbols together I.E. the 7 really is an L upside down

> meaning low battery...We started using the lapel mic, and quickly switched

> to

> using the transmitter mic, and then informed us that was better, she

> didn't hear " ckkkk " during the day.

> So...In this three weeks what I can say is...the teachers have reported

>

> that they feel the girls are more involved in what's going on in the class,

>

> seem they pay more attention in times they may have wondered some. Both

> the

> SLP, and the IT teacher say they really like the device. Both of the girls

>

> like the device..although I will say that you do need to really help them

> share information to troubleshoot it, and get impute on the best set up.

> Holly told me one day she couldn't hear..after looking at everything and

> asking lots of questions I finally got that she could hear it was just

> quiet,

> made a couple of changes and all was well.

> An interesting note that I do want to share...I have a adult friend

> that

> got her CI about 2 months ago. I hooked her up to it, and she told me that

>

> it sounded just like I sounded when I was talking to her through her

> processor. The sound quality is amazing. What I think I have learned

> through these 3 weeks is that it does offer greater access in a classroom,

> and that figuring out the ins and outs of how to wear it, the extra cords,

> the changing batteries will be a fair trade off to the amazing potential it

>

> offers. Ok.. Hope this offers some thoughts. We will go on the first

> Monday

> and Tuesday of May to perform the same testing with the logicom that we did

>

> with the lightspeeds. I will be more than happy to share the results of

> those tests, with anyone interested.

>

> Clarion 8/99

> Holly Clarion 12/99

April 14, 2002

Seems like there's lots of interest, so please give us updates if you have

time. We're considering this also, and since we're replacing his hearing

aid, one of our 'requirements' for the new hearing aid is that it be

compatible with the system, (his current hearing aid is not - but that's not

why we're replacing it). Also, our son's private oral school is thinking

about switching to the logicom system - not sure if it's with only their

kids with CI's, or with all the kids.

> it was clear they where missing some important information.

I think this is why JD isn't interested in the portable soundfield systems.

He tried one out for a couple of weeks in one of his classes at school and

didn't even like it enough to tell me about it (his teacher did). Like

Orla's son, he knows what he likes and he won't put up with anything less.

> We found out quickly if

> you have two children with the device in classrooms next to each other, it

is

> a good idea to have them on different channels.

Could you please go into more detail here? I'm thinking this would be good

info for me to pass along to my son's school as they continue their

consideration of this system. If it's so the teacher can talk to each child

separately then that's one thing, but if it's because there is some sort of

interference with they systems being used so close to each other, that's

something I should pass along since there would be about 4 children in one

class using the system.

> We started using the lapel mic, and quickly switched to

> using the transmitter mic, and then informed us that was better, she

> didn't hear " ckkkk " during the day.

Do you mean the lapel mic has a constant (or intermittant) 'ckkk' sound, or

that the lapel mic doesn't pick up the 'ckkk' sound at all? Also good info I

might want to pass along.

> the extra cords,

I thought the logicom was a wireless system? What cords are you talking

about here? Cords for the transmitter or the receiver?

> I will be more than happy to share the results of

> those tests, with anyone interested.

Please do! I've learned a lot from what you've already told us, thanks!.

Seems to me your girls are doing wonderfully.

Kay

April 15, 2002

In a message dated 4/14/02 1:19:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kay@... writes:

> Could you please go into more detail here? I'm thinking this would be good

> info for me to pass along to my son's school as they continue their

> consideration of this system. If it's so the teacher can talk to each child

> separately then that's one thing, but if it's because there is some sort of

> interference with they systems being used so close to each other, that's

> something I should pass along since there would be about 4 children in one

> class using the system.

>

Hi Kay.....I will TRY and answer some of these questions. The logicom comes

with the potential of four different channels. and Holly's classes are

right next door to each other, so when we first started they where both on

the same channel. The device I is able to reach the distance of a football

field, so having both the girls on the same channel meant they where each

able to hear the other teacher talking in the next room. It was a simple fix

of just changing one of their channels so they where on different

frequencies. If you had the kids all in the same class, you would want to be

on the same channel. The teacher would wear one transmitter to accommodate

all the children..

>>>Do you mean the lapel mic has a constant (or intermittant) 'ckkk' sound,

or

that the lapel mic doesn't pick up the 'ckkk' sound at all? Also good info I

might want to pass along.<<<

Well.... Holly did not report any problems with the lapel mic..we choose to

try the unit without it simply because it was eliminating one additional

piece to see if it was easier to use. I don't' want to sound like an expert,

I am NOT. But..what I understand is the lapel mic would really be used in a

noisy environment but the mic built into the transmitter is appropriate for

the space and noise you would find in a typical classroom. The device has

the power to use transmitter mic only, lapel mic only or both mics together.

I don't know why said she heard a Ckkkk sound with the lapel mic..It is

difficult to get enough information from the kids unless you ask the right

question LOLOL I can tell you that when I hooked the devices up to my adult

friend with a CI, we did use the lapel mics and she said the sound was clear.

So, there could have been some interference from something at one point

during the day and just was reporting that. At any rate, again...we

felt we wanted to try the device without the lapel mic just to see because as

you know the less you have to worry about the better

>>>I thought the logicom was a wireless system? What cords are you talking

about here? Cords for the transmitter or the receiver?<<<

Ok.. lets see... The girls have the Clarion BTE...so how this works for them

is there is an attachment cord that comes with the BTE that is actually part

of the ear hook. At the end of the attachment cord is a plug in. The cube

that the kids wear plugs into that. At the moment the attachment cord that

comes with the BTE is very long. Advanced Bionics is working on designing a

shorter cord. So..the girls are back to wearing their little sports bras,

which we just tuck the cube and cord into. The transmitter is wireless and

hangs around the wears neck, and then there is an antenna that comes off the

bottom. Hope this helps answer the question a little. I will let you now

how the testing goes next week, and please feel free to ask anymore questions

Clarion 8/99

Holly Clarion 12/99

April 15, 2002

Just wanted to add one additional point. My son uses the logicom Ci with his

Clarion BWP...the cube plugs right into the processor so it is 'wireless " when

used with the BWP...only need the wire if you are hooking the cube to the BTE

processor.

We have only been using ours for about a month, but so far both and his

teachers love it! It has been really helpful at Cub Scouts where the listening

environment is terrible....lots of 6-8 year old boys talking in the background!

It is very small and one complaint I have heard from others is that there is " no

way to tell if it is working " . We solved this (at the suggestion of our audi)

by purchasing a little speaker from radio shack ($12). We plug the cube into

the speaker and then test the transmitter. If the cube is receiving the signal

correctly, you can hear it come through the speaker!

Regards,

Trish Freeman