Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 Regarding below: Can't I give omega 6 fatty acid like (Evening Primrose) with omega 3 (CLO) or does the Omega 6 have to be built up 1st. My research seems to be showing that many times they are given together. Like Kirkman's site & others. I'm soo confused! Carla CLO Quick question (a bit off topic but maybe someone here knows): Before giving CLO should I make sure that I'm doing the Omega 6's 1st? I read on another list that giving CLO will initially show improvements then regression if Omega 6's aren't built up and that's kind of how I'm feeling my son is right now. Lots of great comments about him, then he seems to have gone back to his old self. Should I give something like Evening Primrose or something else 1st then add CLO later?? Thanks. Carla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 > Can't I give omega 6 fatty acid like (Evening Primrose) with omega 3 (CLO) Yes. >or does the Omega 6 have to be built up 1st. No. >My research seems to be showing that many times they are given together. Which works fine for those who need both. >Like Kirkman's site & others. I'm soo confuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 We found in our child that Omega 6 had to be repleted before administering Omega 3s. Kane writes: " The autoimmune presentation of ASD may initially respond negatively to marine oils, DHA or flax oil due to both the competitive inhibition of omega 3s to omega 6s... " Omega 6 essential fatty acids (in this case the precursor PG1 as evening prim rose oil) must be repleted and stabilized before omega 3 supplementation commences. Consider carefully that the synthesis of prostaglandins is an oxidative process, therefore loading with antioxidants or the incorrect sequence of EFA repletion may impede progress in ASD presentation. " (see: http://www.bodybio.com/p_article1.html ) Dr Mercola writes: " Administration of fish oils suppresses omega 6 and structural lipids and this will suppress the production of arachidonic acid. To balance fat metabolism it is crucial to stabilize omega 6 fatty acids and arachidonic acid before introducing omega 3 lipids. Patient outcomes may be compromised if one uses fish oils prior to omega 6 fatty acids. The omega 6 fatty acid of choice would be evening primrose oil. Additionally, supporting the digestion of fats with bile salts and lipase is frequently required to maximize fat absorption and digestion " (see: http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/mercury_autism.htm ) --- In @y..., " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...> wrote: > > Can't I give omega 6 fatty acid like (Evening Primrose) with omega 3 > (CLO) > > Yes. > > >or does the Omega 6 have to be built up 1st. > > No. > > >My research seems to be showing that many times they are given > together. > > Which works fine for those who need both. > > >Like Kirkman's site & others. I'm soo confuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Please forgive my stupid question: Does CLO has Omega 3? Or only Fish Oil has Omega 3? Thanks. Debbie [ ] Re: CLO & omega 6 > We found in our child that Omega 6 had to be repleted before > administering Omega 3s. > > Kane writes: > " The autoimmune presentation of ASD may initially respond negatively > to marine oils, DHA or flax oil due to both the competitive > inhibition of omega 3s to omega 6s... > " Omega 6 essential fatty acids (in this case the precursor PG1 as > evening prim rose oil) must be repleted and stabilized before omega 3 > supplementation commences. Consider carefully that the synthesis of > prostaglandins is an oxidative process, therefore loading with > antioxidants or the incorrect sequence of EFA repletion may impede > progress in ASD presentation. " > (see: http://www.bodybio.com/p_article1.html ) > > > Dr Mercola writes: > " Administration of fish oils suppresses omega 6 and structural lipids > and this will suppress the production of arachidonic acid. To balance > fat metabolism it is crucial to stabilize omega 6 fatty acids and > arachidonic acid before introducing omega 3 lipids. > Patient outcomes may be compromised if one uses fish oils prior to > omega 6 fatty acids. The omega 6 fatty acid of choice would be > evening primrose oil. Additionally, supporting the digestion of fats > with bile salts and lipase is frequently required to maximize fat > absorption and digestion " > (see: http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/mercury_autism.htm ) > > > > > > > > > Can't I give omega 6 fatty acid like (Evening Primrose) with > omega 3 > > (CLO) > > > > Yes. > > > > >or does the Omega 6 have to be built up 1st. > > > > No. > > > > >My research seems to be showing that many times they are given > > together. > > > > Which works fine for those who need both. > > > > >Like Kirkman's site & others. I'm soo confuse > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 Hi Andy, Sorry I missed you. I had to finish an E-Mail. I've been hanging around to see if you would respond again. Thanks for the answers on the hydergine. That seems like a high dose ( 3 mg QID) but I will increase until we get into that dosage. Can it be given less frequently such as 4 mg TID because it is difficult to give so many doses during the day? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 > We found in our child that Omega 6 had to be repleted before > administering Omega 3s. I am aware of these unfounded superstitions. If you honestly tried it with omega 3's first, got worse, then did the 6/3 bit and it worked you are the first patient report I have heard of that. I have heard innumerable reports of people just starting on 3's and being fine despite being assured it would be a disaster. Andy .. . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Kane writes: > " The autoimmune presentation of ASD may initially respond negatively > to marine oils, DHA or flax oil due to both the competitive > inhibition of omega 3s to omega 6s... > " Omega 6 essential fatty acids (in this case the precursor PG1 as > evening prim rose oil) must be repleted and stabilized before omega 3 > supplementation commences. Consider carefully that the synthesis of > prostaglandins is an oxidative process, therefore loading with > antioxidants or the incorrect sequence of EFA repletion may impede > progress in ASD presentation. " > (see: http://www.bodybio.com/p_article1.html ) BTW, the actual lab reports on fatty acids I have seen on ASD kids - including a few out of BodyBio - do not bear any relationship to what they are reported to look like. > > > Dr Mercola writes: > " Administration of fish oils suppresses omega 6 and structural lipids > and this will suppress the production of arachidonic acid. To balance > fat metabolism it is crucial to stabilize omega 6 fatty acids and > arachidonic acid before introducing omega 3 lipids. > Patient outcomes may be compromised if one uses fish oils prior to > omega 6 fatty acids. The omega 6 fatty acid of choice would be > evening primrose oil. Additionally, supporting the digestion of fats > with bile salts and lipase is frequently required to maximize fat > absorption and digestion " > (see: http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/mercury_autism.htm ) > > > > > > > > > Can't I give omega 6 fatty acid like (Evening Primrose) with > omega 3 > > (CLO) > > > > Yes. > > > > >or does the Omega 6 have to be built up 1st. > > > > No. > > > > >My research seems to be showing that many times they are given > > together. > > > > Which works fine for those who need both. > > > > >Like Kirkman's site & others. I'm so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 > Please forgive my stupid question: > Does CLO has Omega 3? CLO = cod liver oil. It is a fish oil. Omega 3. Or only Fish Oil has Omega 3? > > Thanks. > > Debbie Cod grow in the north atlantic and north sea - it isn't unreasonable that you don't know about them. Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2002 Report Share Posted November 4, 2002 I think it's a bit much to refer to the Omega 6 repletion theory as " unfounded superstition " . You may disagree with Kane's and ph Mercola's conclusions but they are respected researchers and physicians, not witchdoctors. You also wrote: " If you honestly tried it with Omega 3's first, got worse, then did the 6/3 bit and it worked you are the first patient report I have heard of that. " -- Yeah, I " honestly " tried it and that was the result, unfounded superstition or not. I'm not sure why you used the word " honestly " , but I've got no reason to lie about this. And I'm surprised I'm the first person you've heard of who has gone through this. Mandy from UK in posting 61722 mentioned a similar experience and I've had emails from other parents reporting the same thing. It could well be that most kids don't need Omega 6 repletion first and my son is in a minority, perhaps a small minority. I'm willing to accept this, but parents whose child seems to have regressed on CLO and who can't afford an EFA balance test are entitled to be informed of alternatives. If nothing else it will let them return to CLO for vitamin A and Omega 3s in a few months once Omega 6 has been repleted. > > > > Can't I give omega 6 fatty acid like (Evening Primrose) with > > omega 3 > > > (CLO) > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > >or does the Omega 6 have to be built up 1st. > > > > > > No. > > > > > > >My research seems to be showing that many times they are given > > > together. > > > > > > Which works fine for those who need both. > > > > > > >Like Kirkman's site & others. I'm so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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