Pam

[Guest guest]

Joleen,

I am glad I have a buddy to wait out the two weeks with. This is

cool!! Sending you ++++++++ thoughts.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam, I'll check it out!

Vicki

PAMELA GIGUERE wrote:

>

> Vicki,

>

> I was doing some IVF research for myself today. I came across this

> site. www.ivf.com/hydro.html

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for writing me back, it does make me feel better to know that

others understand! Good luck with your appointment tomorrow, I hope you get

good news or at least the answers that you are looking for. Don't give up

hope. My ep was Sept. 30 of last year and they were able to save the tube

but it was damaged. They tried to reconstruct the tube the best they could,

i guess i'll found out how good on wednesday. Gain your strength from this

sweet daughter of yours! My thoughts are with you!

HUGS-Abigail

>

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>Subject: Re: Re: Pam

>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:28:51 +0300

>

>Hi Abigail,

>I know how your feeling, me and my dh had been ttc for 21/2 years before my

>ep, we'd been trying for so long only to have our hopes raised, and then

>dashed again, leaving us in a worse position than we were before fertility

>wise. I think it's this possible loss of fertility that makes this so much

>harder to deal with. My ep happened nearly 6 months ago, ihad to have

>surgery, and still don't know exactly what happened. I've got an

>appointment

>tomorrow, so crossed fingers I'll find out tomorrow. I'm consider myself

>very lucky that I have our 5 year old, she has really kept me going through

>the bad times, and I appreciate that what you are going through must be so

>much harder.

>

> Re: Pam

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi ,

> > > >

> > > > I know what you mean by wanting the tube to be completely blocked.

> > > > Its better if nothing can get through there. I am not going to have

> > > > much hope this cycle. We have a slim chance of getting pg on our own

> > > > and I have such a hard time w/the let down. Not matter what I do I

>am

> > > > incredibly upset when AF comes. Not that others aren't. But for me

> > > > its very upseting and depressing. Here are positive thoughts for

>both

> > > > of us ++++++++++++.

> > > >

> > > > Who is left that is ttc?

> > > > Pam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Abigail,

I know how your feeling, me and my dh had been ttc for 21/2 years before my

ep, we'd been trying for so long only to have our hopes raised, and then

dashed again, leaving us in a worse position than we were before fertility

wise. I think it's this possible loss of fertility that makes this so much

harder to deal with. My ep happened nearly 6 months ago, ihad to have

surgery, and still don't know exactly what happened. I've got an appointment

tomorrow, so crossed fingers I'll find out tomorrow. I'm consider myself

very lucky that I have our 5 year old, she has really kept me going through

the bad times, and I appreciate that what you are going through must be so

much harder.

Re: Pam

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi ,

> > >

> > > I know what you mean by wanting the tube to be completely blocked.

> > > Its better if nothing can get through there. I am not going to have

> > > much hope this cycle. We have a slim chance of getting pg on our own

> > > and I have such a hard time w/the let down. Not matter what I do I am

> > > incredibly upset when AF comes. Not that others aren't. But for me

> > > its very upseting and depressing. Here are positive thoughts for both

> > > of us ++++++++++++.

> > >

> > > Who is left that is ttc?

> > > Pam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Abigail

I'm sorry to hear of your losses. I can't even imagine since I think

one is hard enough. Do they know why you have had your miscarriages?

AF should arrive for me next week. But I think I am already having

some symptoms. I am going to try and ignore them. Maybe they will go

away. Welcome to the group and the ttc list.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I'm crossing everything and sending you positive thooughts for your follicle

check today.It is a relief in some ways that af's arrived, but devasting

all the same. I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't always feel like

getting out of bed, it took everything I had yesterday to get out of bed and

go to work, I was so close to ringing in sick, but I thought it'd probably

only make me worse to stay at home moping. Let me know how your follicle

check goes

never ready(baby mentioned)

>

> Well my friend who was pg w/twins due in November had her babies

> Friday. A boy and a girl. Another woman who works for my dh had her

> baby last night. So the tears have been flowing. No matter how much I

> think I am ready to hear news like this I never am. My friend got pg

> second try and to have a boy and a girl. Will this nightmare ever end

> for me. I'm finding it hard to even remember what life was like

> before this. I'd like to crawl into bed and never get out. I better

> get some good news at my folly check tomorrow.

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I honestly don't understand why I am having this done either. But all

I know is they wont continue any treatment until I do. I haven't been

able to find any info on endo biopsy for the reason I am having it.

If I do it doesn;t give treatment options. I got my dr to give me a

valium before the endo biopsy though. I guess I have to remember its

not important how our babies get here but that we become moms.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Ok. I found some info. I checked out health.msn.com (search

endo..biopsy). An endo biopsy is usually peformed to detect endo

cancer however for fertility purposes the lining is checked to see if

it is properly stimulated by hormones for implatation of the

fertilized egg. I guess that is what you were saying but I just

couldn't imagine they can figure out the amount of horomone the

lining contains..but I guess that is definitely the case. The

article also noted there may be some bleeding afterwards, so be

prepared for that! I am glad you got some valium! I would probably

need some too...oh, and a sleeping pill for the night before!

Tylenol pm works good!

Hey, I am still hoping you are successful on your own and this info

is just more info! +++++++++++ Have fun with the bd!

Later,

[Guest guest]

Pam:

A LPD is in the second half of the cycle as far as I know. I do not know

what a first half problem is called. Progesterone will not help problems in

the first half - that is estrogen deficiency I *think*.

I was diagnosed (via the EB and bloodwork) to have a LPD due to low

progesterone. My lining was five days behind in building up past ovulation.

Supposedly (I am not sure how they tell, but they correlated what cycle day

I was on when the EB was done to where I should have been) I ovulated with

no problem (even though I was ovulating on day 18 instead of 14) but after

ovulation I did not make enough progesterone.

If I were you, I would do some research online and find out about problems

in the first half of the cycle to see if progesterone is the recommended

course of action or if something else would be more beneficial.

[Guest guest]

I hope your test on the lining goes ok and you get better results than

you think! The IVF is a little scary, but my sister has done it 5

times, she says the worst part is the pg test at the end, she really

doesn't mind the procedure and the process (even the shots), that is

actually exciting! She is having a hystogram? or exploratory surgery in

a couple of weeks to find out if there is any reason the IVF hasn't

worked for her the last 4 times when it worked the 1st time.....I know

it's a tough road and I wish no one had to go that way!

Vicki

PAMELA GIGUERE wrote:

>

> Vicki

>

> I have to go for that endo biopsy next Friday. Unless by some miracle

> the pg test on Thursday is positive. I am not expecting it to be. It

> takes about a week to get the results back. Then the dr's will

> discuss what to do w/me. If I am able to start IVF I will start

> Lupron at the end of October. I am really scared to go on to IVF. But

> I still would like to try for a biological child. My grandparents are

> going to pay for my 1st IVF. So we should probably go forward. I

> think this lining thing is going to really screw me up. PLus I think

> its going to lower my success rate. I guess I will have to weigh my

> options. At least working on the adoption will keep my mind occupied

> and if I have negative results w/IVF I still will have a baby waiting

> for me. We will proceed w/the adoption even if I get pg. We might not

> do it quite as quickly though. I think I will keep my " friend " on the

> Christmas list so next year I can do the gloating. I can brag about

> how much my dh spends w/his kids and all the family stuff we do

> together. Since her dh doesn;t do that from what I hear. Who knows

> maybe I will have two kids by next year. Another thought we could

> adopt then have twins through IVF. Thats scary!! But who would

> complain.

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Vicki

I hope it all works out for your sister. I could never go through it

that many times. It must be hard for her knowing she succeeded once.

I know that I could never go through all this again. Especially if I

already had a child. I am constantly depressed. It wouldn't be fair

of me. I know we want two kids so I will consider myself very very

lucky if I have one on my own. Besides the fact all the IF treatment

and adoption is going to suck us dry. I loved your idea about the

picture.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Vicki

I hope it all works out for your sister. I could never go through it

that many times. It must be hard for her knowing she succeeded once.

I know that I could never go through all this again. Especially if I

already had a child. I am constantly depressed. It wouldn't be fair

of me. I know we want two kids so I will consider myself very very

lucky if I have one on my own. Besides the fact all the IF treatment

and adoption is going to suck us dry. I loved your idea about the

picture.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I'm sorry about the negative result, no matter how much we expect to hear

it, it's always disappointing and upsetting when you do. I'm keeping you in

my thoughts during your drs appointment this afternoon, and hoping that

everything goes well

Big Fat Negative (art & adopt ment)

> Well my test was negative. Oh well I guess!! I will have the biopsy

> tomorrow then meet w/the dr to decide what to do. We won't start IVF

> until January. So I think I am going to spend the next three months

> getting back in shape. I am always so worried about changing my diet

> etcc that it will mess up my body. I am also going to put all my

> energy into the adoption process. I pulled up NH laws for surrogacy.

> So even if that ends up being a option it isn't going to happen to

> fast. I'm a little upset but I knew.

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

I'm sorry that was so painful. It sounds just awful. Glad, at least, that

it's over. Take care!

Joleen

[Guest guest]

I agreee Pam, what kind of a statement was that? I would love any child

I adopted just as much as my own, we considered adoption too. I think

adoption is cool. Everyone I know who is adopted is very well adjusted

and has had a great life so far. You know these kids are wanted because

you have worked so hard to get them!! I feel bad for my sister, but like

you said, she needs to come to terms with it on her own. Take care,

hope the results come back soon!

Vicki

giguerepw@... wrote:

>

> Vicki

>

> It must be hard for your sister. It is really hard to consider other

> options. Everyone has to come to there own decissions. For me I just

> don;t know how much more I can take. It seems like everything is so

> painful and still no pg. One of my moms friends who told me it took

> her years to have her kids. She told me yesterday if you want your

> own children bad enough you will do whatever it takes. What kind of

> statement is that? I didn;t know really what to say. She is a very

> opinionated person anyway. The type thats obnoxious because she

> doesn't listen to anyone else but herself. But she also acted excited

> for us on adoption.

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Just wanted you to know I'm thinking of you and hoping you hear good

news this week. So sorry the procedure was painful hope you are

feeling better today. Keep us posted, okay.

Kel

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

Thanks for your reply, you are so right that IF and pg is very cruel

Re: Tough Day

> Joleen and ,

>

> I know what you mean. My due date would have been last April. It has

> always been difficult to see pg women but once your due date passes

> and you see infants the reality really hits. Right after I found out

> I was pg last year I subscribed to Fit pg magazine. I will never

> forget the April issue. It was Preston on the cover. She was

> due the same month as I would have been. I couldn't stop staring

> knowing thats what I should have looked like. IF and pg loss is very

> cruel and mean.

> pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'll be crossiing my fingers that you get good news today

Re: Unpleasant day at ob/gyn

> a

>

> I should have mine tomorrow. I am expecting the worse. That way I

> can't be upset and disappointed. Then I have to meet w/the dr. When

> are you having the HSG?

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I'm so glad you decided to come back!! You would have been greatly missed,

you are so right it is much more than just an internet group!!

I'm Sorry and Thank you

> First of all I want to say I am sorry to everyone!! I would also like

> to say thank you for everyone who approached me about coming back.

> Even though I was away Sat and Sun I still missed the group. I was

> bummed all weekend. I told my dh what happened since he was stuck in

> the car w/me for two hours yesterday morning. He said to me forget

> it, its just an internet group. But to me its so much more than that.

> I have met so many wonderful women here and have so many new friends

> I never thought I would have. I always think of things I want to

> share with you guys. This weekend I thought who am I going to share

> with!!! I guess we all have to remember that everyone is at a

> different stage w/their ep. Also whether we are dealing with a

> current ep, ttc or whatever it is very emotional and stressful. So

> most of us are probably a little more emotional to begin with. Even

> though I am sorry that this all happened I think this gives us an

> opportunity to be closer because of it. Sometimes it means throwing

> all your emotions out even if everyone doesn't agree. Since we are

> writing our thoughts out they might not come across the same as if we

> were talking on the phone or in person. It leaves the door open for

> misinterpitation (sp?). Then everyones emotions and tempers start to

> run high. I am glad we are all able to work things out.

> Love, Pam

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That doesn't sound bad at all and could really explain a lot. I look forward

to you posting after you talk to the Doc.

Have a good night!

[Guest guest]

Hi

I was just going to post about that. I hadn;t heard from the dr so I

called today. I had the test done on cd26. The test came back that I

was cd24. So that doesn't sound bad to me. The dr I spoke w/is the

one who did the test so now I have to speak w/my RE's office. I

called today and they had the results. They were supposed to go over

it w/the dr that was in today. No one ever called back. I called at

4:30 and they were closed. I am going to call in the a.m. Now I am

anxious. I have an appt November 2nd to speak w/my dr. Thanks for

asking.

Pam