Natural Treatments

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl,

God bless you for your GOOD ADVICE. I'm also thankful for you telling me

that nature's herbs (twin lab line) makes boswella. My friend is on the

bromelain-papain herbs only for a few days and has less swelling and pain,

and this is during her perid, when symptoms seem to MULTIPLY (usually.)

Thanks again for your help and concern. I will pray for your healing, too

now when I pray for my f riend's!

:Mel

(mom or 4)

Re: [ ] Natural treatments

>From: cheryl@...

>

>Whoopsie! Sorry about that. Now I know not to hit return! LOL

>

><<<<<Hi folks!

>I am Mel, have 4 kids and am married 21 years to a great guy. I don't have

>lyme, but my best friend does. .....

>IF anyone else knows of any herbs that have heped them personally, please

share with us.

>Mel>>>>>

>

>Hi Mel! It's so great of you to help your friend! I suggest you check out

my website:

>http://www.aero-vision.com/~cheryl/lymes.html

>

>Now for my two cents. ;o) Many people take immune stimlating herbs.

However, they are often not much help with the specific infection. This is

probably because the spirochete coats itself with parts of the body's own

cell, making it UNRECOGNIZABLE by the immune system. Immune stimulants can

certainly help fight off other

>things that sick people are more prone to, however, so there is some

benefit to them. Something like borrelogen is aimed at decloaking.

>It has helped some that I know, although I have not had much success with

it, not yet anyway.

>(http://www.jnutra.com) Another thing is sarsaparilla.

http://www.el-dorado.ca.us/~tstout/articles/sarsap.shtml

>

>Personally, I have had much success at symptoms relief from natural

treatment. Unfortunately, nothign has been able to keep the infection

>under control besides antibiotics, and none of these other things are much

help unless the infection is also under control while on antibiotics. I am

currently in a relapse b/c Iam

>on no pharmaceuticals. I am doing other therapies, but they just aren't

doing the trick. It frustrates the hell outa me, and I get upset about

needing antibiotics!!!!!! When will it end? I will NEVER give up, and one

of these days will be cured. I just wish it would be sooner than later!

>

>A couple of suggestions. Have you discussed nutrition with your friend

(food)? This can be very important. Also, If you see burrascano's

guidelines it establishes a good baseline to work off for supplements.

Burrascano's PA is now recommending cordyceps as well,which HAS helped my

fatigue, if I take it regularly. I wouldn't be able to survive without

things like my flax with borage oil and magnesium. I make a shake of

superfoods greens, flax, probiotics, and other stuff each day. I get

morning sickness with anything besides this in the am. Gingko also has

helped. I get a gazillion times worse if I don't see my chiropracter.

Interestingly, I have found I am much more difficult to adjust while not on

antibiotics.

>

>I applaud you for helping your friend. I hope she is an easy case and

recovers with no problem. Everyone's situation is different. You must be a

wonderful friend and I'm sure she appreciates you so much! Many of us have

found out who our true friends are after getting sick, and many have felt

deserted by our so

>called friends.

>

>You mentioned treatment for pain. I believe nature's herbs, (a twinlab

line) makes boswellia (which u mentioned) capsules. Also, I know stores

sell boswellian cream as a topical treatment. Other topicals that have been

helpful to me are st johnswort topical oil

>(although it smells...but was most helpful for muscle aches) and zostrix

(hot pepper....only a little at a time cause it burns...I learned the hard

way, and ended up taking a shower to try to get it off, which only made it

worse!). A good friend of mine has done very well treating arthritic pain

associated with Lyme with CMO. They say you only have to take it a short

time, but when she stopped her symptoms came back. It can get expensive

when that's the case.

>

>Motherwort tincture has helped me with an irregular heartbeat. I saw an

herbalist, who I have a link on my page to an article she wrote, however I

still have lyme. (also saw homeopath, naturopath, alt md's, acupuncturists,

massage therapists, and so on and so on)

>

>Hope this helps some.

>Take care,Cheryl ;o)

>

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Thanks Cheryl for the great info.

When I first went to the homeo doctor in CT, he put me on a full range of

vitamins and minerals. I have tried to keep up with his regimen over the

years, but since being in Michigan and getting too sick to care with no one

to turn to, I kind of gave up. I am back on a full range of stuff and it

makes a definite difference. Hearing what other people are taking is very

helpful and I will be adding some things to my daily doses.

Thanks.

Helen in MI

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In a message dated 5/30/99 9:47:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cheryl@... writes:

> A couple of suggestions. Have you discussed nutrition with your friend

(food)

> ? This can be very important. Also, If you see burrascano's guidelines it

> establishes a good baseline to work off for supplements. Burrascano's PA is

> now recommending cordyceps as well,which HAS helped my fatigue, if I take

it

> regularly. I wouldn't be able to survive without things like my flax with

> borage oil and magnesium. I make a shake of superfoods greens, flax,

> probiotics, and other stuff each day. I get morning sickness with anything

> besides this in the am. Gingko also has helped. I get a gazillion times

> worse if I don't see my chiropracter. Interestingly, I have found I am

much

> more difficult to adjust while not on antibiotics.

>

HI Cheryl

what is cordyceps; is it expensive where do you buy it

thank you

lea

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In a message dated 5/30/99 11:05:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Toncow55@... writes:

>

> When I first went to the homeo doctor in CT, he put me on a full range of

> vitamins and minerals. I have tried to keep up with his regimen over the

> years, but since being in Michigan and getting too sick to care with no

one

> to turn to, I kind of gave up. I am back on a full range of stuff and it

> makes a definite difference. Hearing what other people are taking is very

> helpful and I will be adding some things to my daily doses.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Helen in MI

>

> -------------------------------------------

Hi Helen

would also appreciate the name of your doctor in CT

thank you

lea

[Guest guest]

Whoopsie! Sorry about that. Now I know not to hit return! LOL

<<<<<Hi folks!

I am Mel, have 4 kids and am married 21 years to a great guy. I don't have

lyme, but my best friend does. .....

IF anyone else knows of any herbs that have heped them personally, please share

with us.

Mel>>>>>

Hi Mel! It's so great of you to help your friend! I suggest you check out my

website:

http://www.aero-vision.com/~cheryl/lymes.html

Now for my two cents. ;o) Many people take immune stimlating herbs. However,

they are often not much help with the specific infection. This is probably

because the spirochete coats itself with parts of the body's own cell, making it

UNRECOGNIZABLE by the immune system. Immune stimulants can certainly help fight

off other

things that sick people are more prone to, however, so there is some benefit to

them. Something like borrelogen is aimed at decloaking.

It has helped some that I know, although I have not had much success with it,

not yet anyway.

(http://www.jnutra.com) Another thing is sarsaparilla.

http://www.el-dorado.ca.us/~tstout/articles/sarsap.shtml

Personally, I have had much success at symptoms relief from natural treatment.

Unfortunately, nothign has been able to keep the infection

under control besides antibiotics, and none of these other things are much help

unless the infection is also under control while on antibiotics. I am currently

in a relapse b/c Iam

on no pharmaceuticals. I am doing other therapies, but they just aren't doing

the trick. It frustrates the hell outa me, and I get upset about needing

antibiotics!!!!!! When will it end? I will NEVER give up, and one of these

days will be cured. I just wish it would be sooner than later!

A couple of suggestions. Have you discussed nutrition with your friend (food)?

This can be very important. Also, If you see burrascano's guidelines it

establishes a good baseline to work off for supplements. Burrascano's PA is now

recommending cordyceps as well,which HAS helped my fatigue, if I take it

regularly. I wouldn't be able to survive without things like my flax with

borage oil and magnesium. I make a shake of superfoods greens, flax,

probiotics, and other stuff each day. I get morning sickness with anything

besides this in the am. Gingko also has helped. I get a gazillion times worse

if I don't see my chiropracter. Interestingly, I have found I am much more

difficult to adjust while not on antibiotics.

I applaud you for helping your friend. I hope she is an easy case and recovers

with no problem. Everyone's situation is different. You must be a wonderful

friend and I'm sure she appreciates you so much! Many of us have found out who

our true friends are after getting sick, and many have felt deserted by our so

called friends.

You mentioned treatment for pain. I believe nature's herbs, (a twinlab line)

makes boswellia (which u mentioned) capsules. Also, I know stores sell

boswellian cream as a topical treatment. Other topicals that have been helpful

to me are st johnswort topical oil

(although it smells...but was most helpful for muscle aches) and zostrix (hot

pepper....only a little at a time cause it burns...I learned the hard way, and

ended up taking a shower to try to get it off, which only made it worse!). A

good friend of mine has done very well treating arthritic pain associated with

Lyme with CMO. They say you only have to take it a short time, but when she

stopped her symptoms came back. It can get expensive when that's the case.

Motherwort tincture has helped me with an irregular heartbeat. I saw an

herbalist, who I have a link on my page to an article she wrote, however I still

have lyme. (also saw homeopath, naturopath, alt md's, acupuncturists, massage

therapists, and so on and so on)

Hope this helps some.

Take care,Cheryl ;o)

==================================================

Before you criticize someone, you should walk

a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you are a mile away, and

you have his shoes.

==================================================

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bernard Raxlen in Greenwich. This was in 1994, so I do not know if he is

still practicing or still taking Lyme patients, but you can try. His office

is in a very neat old victorian home. He plays chamber music in the

examining rooms and sits in a rocker while talking to you. It is very

soothing. He is, however, very expensive and he wants payment up front, but

I think his course of treatment got me off to a good start, although up until

recently, it has been kind of downhill since then, especially since leaving

NY.

Let me know if you find he is still around.

Peace, Helen

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen! You're welcome. ;o) I am wondering which homeo you saw. The one I

saw was in CT as well. He knew his stuff, but was a little rough around the

edges. You can email me the name privately if you'd prefer.

cheryl@... I'm just curious, really.

What is the full range that he put you on?

Keep the faith! Keep us updated on how you're doing with what you're adding in.

Burrascano shared at the seminar that his patients who have done the best are

those who have strictly followed his protocol, including the supplements he

suggests and exercise.

;o)

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl,

That's strange because he put himself out to be a homeopath - a naturalist -

that's the main reason I went to him, even though the price was a little

steep for my pocketbook. I'm sorely disappointed that he is not, but not

disappointed in the treatment I received. No, I guess I don't know what a

true homeopath is if he is not one, since I was under the impression he was.

I know he treated my thyroid with a natural thyroid hormone that he kept in a

jar in his office - he said he got it from Australia. It's the best my

levels have ever been regulated. My doctor now has me on the armour thyroid,

which I guess is the same idea (it's not the synthetic), but it still isn't

quite the same. I sure do wish I new where he got that " magic " thyroid pill.

If you know of a true homeo around the Detroit area in Michigan, who has been

practicing for a while, I would very interested. It sounds fascinating.

Maybe yours can recommend someone here.

Do they believe in antibiotics for the Lyme, and other bacterial disorders?

It sounds a bit like the chiropractor profession. My husband's

chiropractor's son just finished 9 years of medical, chiropractic and

homeopathic training. When I go in with my husband, he is constantly putting

what he calls beads on the back of my neck that I am to push every once in a

while to stimulate the immune system. Interesting stuff.

Helen from MI

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-05-30 18:13:04 EDT, Toncow55@... writes:

<< Do they believe in antibiotics for the Lyme, and other bacterial disorders

>>

I went to a homeopathic physician and the first thing she told me was to get

antiobiotics to treat the bacteria and she would help me with easing the

" symptoms " but could not kill the bacteria. I don't know if all homeopathics

feel the same way or not. Mona

[Guest guest]

<<<Dr. Bernard Raxlen in Greenwich. This was in 1994, so I do not know if he is

till practicing or still taking Lyme patients, but you can try. His office

is in a very neat old victorian home. He plays chamber music in the

examining rooms and sits in a rocker while talking to you. It is very

soothing. He is, however, very expensive and he wants payment up front, but

I think his course of treatment got me off to a good start, although up until

recently, it has been kind of downhill since then, especially since leaving

NY.

Let me know if you find he is still around.

Peace, Helen >>>

Hi Sweetie!Dr. Raxlen is not a homeopathic doctor. My understanding is he is a

conventional MD who has taken on other therapies. This is a good thing,

although he wouldn't have quite the training in natural therapies as someone who

was trained specifically for that. I see a rheumatologist who is also an

acupuncturist and does some of this, but I do not feel it is the same as when I

have seen alternative practitioners. MD's treat disease. Natural docs don't

really care to know what disease you have, as they treat the person, and

everyone is so different.

Anyway, are you familiar with homeopathy? In addition to your symptoms, a

homeopathic doctor would ask things like what side to you sleep on, do you

prefer small groups or large, any food craving, they observe your personailty

and treat accoriding to that. They want to know your likes and dislikes, affect

to changes in the weather, etc. Lke if I told you what my homeopathic doctor

gave me, it would be complete useless for you, cause you aren't me. ;o) Doctors

need extensive training in homeopathy, it's not something that can be easily

picked up. In fact, you know how MD's here go on to specialize in different

fields, like cardiology, neurology, etc? Well, in germany one of those fields

they go on to specialize in is homeopathy. Homeopathic formulas are different

than vitamins and herbs.

Dr. Raxlen is still practicing. I believe he asked the herbalist I saw to join

his practice, although she didn't want to be limited in time spent with a

patient.

Youbetter get to feeling better!

take care,

cheryl ;o)

[Guest guest]

<<HI Cheryl

what is cordyceps; is it expensive where do you buy it

thank you

lea >>

Heya Lea!

Cordyceps is a mushroom. A couple of companies make it, but I know they are

different dosages. This is the one Burrascano recommends:

http://www.pharmanex.com/products/cordymax_clinical.html

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I have taken Cordyceps for over 3 months now. I definately notice a

difference in stamina and less fatigue. I was skeptical at first

but follow all of Dr. B's guidlines to the " T " . He researched so many

supplements over the years and is very sure about these. Since I get

vitamins and many other things for all four of us that Dr. B recommends, You may

contact me if you are interested in recieving what he

thinks are standard supplements for chronic Lyme disease.. The 800# is correct

then you give an ID code if you order. It is, US#0424816 and

whatever you need is delivered to your door. For over 40, I take LifePak Prime

which is a superior vitamin. These are unique

supplements--Pharmaceutical grade and USP certified and the only products

clinically proven to raise antioxident levels in the blood. Those

of us with chronic illness have symptoms related to cellular damage and

deficiencies in certain essential nutrients. Double-blinded,

placebo controlled studies, and in one case direct assay of biopsy specimans

have proven the value of the supplements Dr. B strongly

recommends. The name for the Cordyceps herb is " Cordymax " . There are other

LifePac vitamins for other age groups. I know Dr B takes all

these things. I figure if he choose this particular supplement line when he

could have chosen anything he wanted, I am following the best.

Since I have had my entire family taking thier own for over a year, I'd be happy

to answer any questions you have if I can. Wishing us all

the glimmer of the feeling of wellness that always gives us hope. If I can see

improvement, you can.

Love and better days for all of you,

Helen in NJ

cheryl@... wrote:

> From: cheryl@...

>

> <<HI Cheryl

>

> what is cordyceps; is it expensive where do you buy it

>

> thank you

>

> lea >>

>

> Heya Lea!

>

> Cordyceps is a mushroom. A couple of companies make it, but I know they are

different dosages. This is the one Burrascano recommends:

>

> http://www.pharmanex.com/products/cordymax_clinical.html

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Helen,

How much does it cost, say for example for one month's supply? I am over

40.

Marta (counting her pennies, trying to buy a new house.)

>From: liveitup <liveitup@...>

>

>Hi All,

> I have taken Cordyceps for over 3 months now. I definately notice a

difference in stamina and less fatigue. I was skeptical at first

>but follow all of Dr. B's guidlines to the " T " . He researched so many

supplements over the years and is very sure about these. Since I get

>vitamins and many other things for all four of us that Dr. B recommends,

You may contact me if you are interested in recieving what he

>thinks are standard supplements for chronic Lyme disease.. The 800# is

correct then you give an ID code if you order. It is, US#0424816 and

>whatever you need is delivered to your door.

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In a message dated 5/30/99 9:21:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

liveitup@... writes:

> Hi All,

> I have taken Cordyceps for over 3 months now. I definately notice a

> difference in stamina and less fatigue. I was skeptical at first

> but follow all of Dr. B's guidlines to the " T " . He researched so many

> supplements over the years and is very sure about these. Since I get

> vitamins and many other things for all four of us that Dr. B recommends,

You

> may contact me if

how long before noticing an improvement; also, how do we know what is

helping; is it the abx or supplements, etc?

thank you

lea

[Guest guest]

I have been trying to pull up pharmanex all day and it still isn " t working.

What other Company sells corcedyl (wrong spelling i know)

Bev

[Guest guest]

;thanks marta

cherly & I have been communicating off this page today. I have found the

vitaminshoppe too.

thanks again

bev

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

I think you are referring to Cordyceps? Here is the Vitamin Shoppe Url:

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/powersearch.asp?tab=1

I'm sorry I can't find the one Cheryl posted earlier, maybe she will see

this and respond.

Marta

-

>From: B56G@...

>

>I have been trying to pull up pharmanex all day and it still isn " t working.

>What other Company sells corcedyl (wrong spelling i know)

>

>Bev

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/31/1999 4:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mlmccoy@... writes:

<< Hi Helen,

How much does it cost, say for example for one month's supply? I am over

40. >>

i bought coryceps yesterday at the vitamin shoppe (they have mail order

too....bottle of 100 pills was 14.99 (25% discount off 20$ list) Bernadette

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/3/99 8:53:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BratDet@...

writes:

> << Hi Helen,

> How much does it cost, say for example for one month's supply? I am

over

> 40. >>

> i bought coryceps yesterday at the vitamin shoppe (they have mail order

> too....bottle of 100 pills was 14.99 (25% discount off 20$ list)

> Bernadette

>

Hi Bernadette

what was the brand? please let us know how you do with it

good luck

lea

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/1999 3:47:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

liveitup@... writes:

<< The Cordymax he recommends is by far superior to formulas seen in

health shops. I also take that 2-3 times a day. >>

I did call for a catalog...but I figured I would try it b4 I am able to order

it...but I am one who will not always believe in hype that one product is

superior over the same product from a different company....B

[Guest guest]

Hi Bernadette,

Dr Burrascano is very particular about supplements. The LifePac Prime is

what I take (over 40) religiously along with all the other supplements on his

list. For a months supply (4 vitamins in a little pack--2 packs a day) it is

about $99.00. The Cordymax he recommends is by far superior to formulas seen in

health shops. I also take that 2-3 times a day. To order you call

1-800-487-1500--Us#424816. Hope this helps. Pharmanex will send you a booklet if

you ask for it with your order which will explain everything about these

supplements.

Your friend Helen in NJ

> From: BratDet@...

>

> In a message dated 5/31/1999 4:19:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> mlmccoy@... writes:

>

> << Hi Helen,

> How much does it cost, say for example for one month's supply? I am over

> 40. >>

> i bought coryceps yesterday at the vitamin shoppe (they have mail order

> too....bottle of 100 pills was 14.99 (25% discount off 20$ list) Bernadette

>

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[Guest guest]

Can you tell me what vitamins are in your lifepack as I take Shaklee

supplements and trust them a lot. I think I am taking what he is

recommending but I'm not sure. Could you email me direct with info and if

you have an insert I'll give you my address to send it to. Thanks in advance

Bev MI

[Guest guest]

For links to articles disccusing alternative treatments specifically mentioning

lyme, check out:

http://www.aero-vision.com/~cheryl/lymes.html

and scroll down to alternative treatments.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

My name is Rusty. I have not posted in probably a year. My wife who

works in early intervention with children with Autism at Children's

Therapy Center in Kent, WA. has talked me into building a webpage

about natural treatments for Autism. I have a number of top rated

health sites ranked high in the search engines. I am familiar with

many of the things being done but I am looking for more information.

I would like to here from you about what you are doing. What

suppliments you take, what are some of you favorite sites for

information. You can post it to the group or contact me direct at

peterpan56@....

Thank you

Rusty

[Guest guest]

How do you define what is " natural " ?