Re:Zyto versus ASYRA

[Guest guest]

There are several bio-energetic tests or machines that use energy

signatures to detect or treat. When I say treat, it's a

homeopathic-based method. Some practitioners only detect and don't do

the homeopathic treat feature that can be done with several of these

machine types. There is even one approved by the FDA as a medical

device. I can't remember which one right now. They all work a little

differently. If you become an expert on one machine type, you would

still have to learn gobs to become an expert on another due to the

amount of differences. I think the practitioner is the most important

feature. One needs to know how to use the machine successfully. Thus,

I would not be as concerned as to which machine, as I would to which

practitioner. I think all the cradles are the same, but I am not a

cradle expert. Some people call to get a Zyto done when their child is

sleeping, so they won't move their hand around. With the Zyto, the

reading only takes a couple of minutes at a time for each one

selected. Thus, the hand would only need to be still a few minutes at

a time consistently. Usually several readings are done for different

purposes.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Are these two bionenergetic tests basically the same?

Also, I'm thinking about setting up an appointment with Payne.

What have your experiences been? How long does the hand need to be on

the cradle?

Has anyone tried it with a small child. I can imagine sitting for any

length of time might be a challenge.

Also, I've seen cradles for around $115, but the one they sell from his

office is $225. Are there different models?

[Guest guest]

We have used both the Asyra & the Zyto, several of each with my son (I actually

have at least one of each on each member of my family). Our doc (Dr Amy Derksen,

Seattle area) has had an Asyra for a couple of years now, this is the one that

we used initially. At the time she was one of the most reasonably priced at only

$45 a report (it's been a year or so since we've run one as we switched to the

Zyto last year). I don't believe she has changed her price to run one, you'd

have to check. At the time some of the docs that we heard about from out of area

parents using other practioners were charging up to $200 a report.

While the concept of the Asyra/Zyto are very similar, and there are positive &

negatives with each. Both have some basics that make them different (from a

mom/non-technical standpoint....I'm sure there are many from a technical

standpoint, but I'm not that savey):

1) The main thing with the Zyto is the remote access. This is big if you do not

have any practioners close to your area...this is why can run patients

all over the world....and this is good if you are in another country with no one

to treat you.

2) One of the other main difference that I really like about the Zyto is it

registers the stress as a number (positive or negative) which I find easier to

track and it gives a Range number which I like to see for overall body burden

stress (samples of these numbers & Ranges were on the reports I recently put

up). While I understand that some of the newer Asyra software was suppose to be

going to a number format (haven't verified if it's up & running, only heard that

they were working on it), the reports we had were green, yellow & red boxes to

indicate the levels of stress. To me as a mom, while I really appreciated the

organism stress being identified, I far more appreciate the number stress given.

3) The Asyra is registered as a Class II medical device, the Zyto is not. If you

have a parent that only wants to work with FDA registered device, the Asyra

would be your choice.

4) Regarding the lab testing, from my research both of the devices have had

clinical lab studies verifying them.

For Asrya, here's some:

http://www.asyra.com/asyraPROFAQ.html

The one listed had 600 patients for a Thyroid test which " yielded a 97 percent

correlation with blood chemistry "

In doing research on the Zyto, I read somewhere (don't have time to find it

right now) that a doc was having an 85% lab correlation...sorry I can't find the

link on that to put up.

While this is not perfect, it sure helps me as a mom with a complex child narrow

things down a bit.

5) The Asyra is in office only using these copper pipe looking handles held in

each hand. It took about 3-5 min per report. My son a couple of times got

fidgity and either dropped one of the pipes or touched the pipes together kind

of playing with them. Most of the time the fidgitting did not matter, one of the

times I remember we had to re-run it...so another 3 min..with a reminder from me

that this was important & please settle down.

Here is a video I found that shows the machine with the handles that are held

(they are setting off to the side...later in the video you see him hold

them...wish they showed a picture of it somewhere. Part way through the video

they show a laser as they administer a homeopathic remedy that the system made.

While we have not used their laser shown, we have used the viles it can make up

with our own laser we got...a $40 laser pointer with a tube at the end to hold

the vile that contained the remedy that the system made up. We used this several

times in the year we were doing LED (Laser Energetic Detox) and once when trying

to tackle EBV. Although I'm not the expert, it is my understanding that the Zyto

can also make detox & support homeopathic viles as well.

With the Zyto cradle, some of the children were to young or to delayed to

co-operate with their hand on the cradle for 5-10 min...depending on what is

being run. If foods or balancers are run I find it can take up to 10-15 minutes.

The preferred method for an uncooperative child is to use the cradle with a

laptop, using it bedside while the child is sleeping, hand can be placed on the

cradle (parent should not have hand on the child's hand. One of the parents I

know had the pratitioner ask if the parent's hand was on the childs & if the

parent had recently had x-rays....blew this parent away that he could pick this

up as the system all the sudden showed x-ray radiation stress...she had x-rays

at the dentist a day before). Other moms have told us that has

accomodated with late appts just to do this. We've also been told that the

cradle can be set on a childs tummy as long as all the cradle pieces are

touching. This has opened it up for those that have children that will not

co-operate.

Personal Notes: I do not rely solely on these tools, but use them as an

additional tool to follow his stresses as a whole. I have run many labs in the

course of time while using these & I pick & choose the most appropriate labs at

the time for my limited $'s. I also fully agree with Heidi....I also see the

practioner directly and while we find these reports very useful a well trained

clinition is still the most important for our complex children. I have found

they do speed up our appts. There have been many times that she has chosen

something different than what the Asyra or the Zyto has chosen to fit the need.

btw, being highly trained & an ND she does use rx meds at times as well as

homeopathics, herbals and other detox methods. I know many that she has put on

anti-biotics, valtrex, etc. She has rxed for us several things including nasal

MB12 & Ketotophen (to reduce his digestive inflammation). She is also DAN

trained so understands & uses many of the standard DAN treatments. She very much

personalizes each patient.

Hope this additionally helps,

Rita

>

> There are several bio-energetic tests or machines that use energy

> signatures to detect or treat. When I say treat, it's a

> homeopathic-based method. Some practitioners only detect and don't do

> the homeopathic treat feature that can be done with several of these

> machine types. There is even one approved by the FDA as a medical

> device. I can't remember which one right now. They all work a little

> differently. If you become an expert on one machine type, you would

> still have to learn gobs to become an expert on another due to the

> amount of differences. I think the practitioner is the most important

> feature. One needs to know how to use the machine successfully. Thus,

> I would not be as concerned as to which machine, as I would to which

> practitioner. I think all the cradles are the same, but I am not a

> cradle expert. Some people call to get a Zyto done when their child is

> sleeping, so they won't move their hand around. With the Zyto, the

> reading only takes a couple of minutes at a time for each one

> selected. Thus, the hand would only need to be still a few minutes at

> a time consistently. Usually several readings are done for different

> purposes.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

>

> Are these two bionenergetic tests basically the same?

>

> Also, I'm thinking about setting up an appointment with Payne.

> What have your experiences been? How long does the hand need to be on

> the cradle?

>

> Has anyone tried it with a small child. I can imagine sitting for any

> length of time might be a challenge.

>

> Also, I've seen cradles for around $115, but the one they sell from his

> office is $225. Are there different models?

>