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I am sorry to hear that you are going through that . I went through a

lot as a kid and wondered how I managed not to develop DID. I am experiencing

memory issues lately but I think that must be from the years of stress and sleep

deprivation that an abusive relationship caused, I certainly don't feel

dissociated but I do find the memory issues to be frustrating so I empathize

with you.

At least you have a good prognosis, that is a lot better than BPD. It is sad how

so many children are left to deal with these obstacles after growing up in an

abusive environment, I wish that people who had these disorders would somehow

know that having kids was a bad idea but for some reason they seemed MORE likely

to want children. exMIL (who is PD'd and raised 3 PD'd kids) said that kids are

flattering. PD's seem to believe that a kid will fill their void, my PD'd ex

forced me to get pregnant as a ploy to trap me in the relationship (using a

child as a tactic rather than considering the care that a child requires.)

Children are merely objects to them or an extension of themselves. PDex felt

horrible about himself and he seemed to have been horribly abused as a child

(there were indications of sexual abuse and extreme discipline) so he reinacted

his horrible childhood onto our child. He insisted that a toddler understood

" what he was doing " when he

knocked something off a table as he tried to steady himself while he learned to

walk. My son has issues now too, I was too terrified of PDex and became

brainwashed by him over the years (I felt like his kleenex, being used like one,

and being told that nobody would believe me and I would lose my son, etc.) But I

protected my son the best that I could and I eventually broke away. My son has

come a long way this past year. I am worried about him but our T's have said how

resilient he seems to be, as I seem to be as well, and that works in his favor.

He does not seem to have the mental weaknesses that PDex has in spite of his

struggles (PDex's entire family seems to have a mental weakness, making the

abuse more affective in destroying them).

My son is a daydreamer, as I was at his age, probably part of our way of dealing

with the abuse but it does not seem to be a total dissociation. I do think that

PDex had episodes of dissociation, he didn't respond at all, his eyes glazed

over and it was very scary. PDex claims not to remember a lot of things that he

did or said and for some reason, I believe him (he is a pathological liar but

the way that he goes from Jekyll to Hyde, I would not be surprised that he

cannot remember things.) I really do think that PDex is a combination of

BPD/APD/DID. The DID being the least of the problem. I can only imagine the

things that caused these issues in PDex and I felt SOOOOO sorry for him for a

LONG time, he was not like this for no reason, his brother is even worse, but

PDex says that he cannot recall any extreme abuse (I witnessed a lack of

parenting skills in his parents when they offered to babysit my son, which I

stopped accepting for that very reason,

there is a LONG history of abuse in that family that even exMIL admits to,

there are symptoms of severe abuse in PDex including calling himself bad and

shaking like he expects to be hit and having sexual issues and severe

homophobia, the list is long.) I just wish that we could stop this cycle of

abuse, it IS avoidable - these PD'd parents should NOT be permitted to be alone

with ANY child. I even looked into getting a tubal ligation to prevent PDex from

forcing me to get pregnant but as soon as he found out what I was trying to do,

he became furious, yelled at me that I would be taking away HIS ability to

reproduce, and he forced me to flush my birth control pills and proceeded to

take immediate action of forcing a pregnancy (I hoped not to be fertile enough

to get pregnany right away, I needed time to find an escape, but I had a

positive pregnancy test within a month.) I was willing to permanently give up my

ability to have kids in order to avoid

reproducing with PDex but his determination won out. I love my son to bits, he

is exactly who I dreamed he would be (I knew I was carrying a son long before

the doctors knew, I dreamed of him each night, he looks and act just as I

dreamed and I don't believe in such things, I am a sceptic at heart.)

This is a ranting and confusing email, I know, but I so much wanted to avoid

having a child with PDex but he bullied me into it. I guess I am lucky that my

son does not have his father's demeaner, I could have a BP kid on my hands too.

, I wish you the best with your treatment. Just the fact that you are

seeking wellness is a great sign of hope and a lot more than most BP's achieve.

I, unfortunately, will probably be dealing with the consequences (to both my son

and I) for many years but simply seeking wellness is probably the biggest sign

of hope.

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To: WTOAdultChildren1

Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:28:12 AM

Subject: I've been diagnosed with a dissociative disorder

I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where

I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even

though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even

though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my

feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by

being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway, the therapist I chose decided

to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test

for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders.

The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the

high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as

" multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder.

I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my

therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to

mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understandi ng that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a

dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from

repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to

dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to

dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as

actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that

threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,

such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the

dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to

have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or

nightmares.

Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling

numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when

the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight

response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still

developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or

associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an

automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma

from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of

the brain's functioning. What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response

becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over

it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and

overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and

over again resulting in

dissociation becoming a reflex.

In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has

been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps

having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't

remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation

is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with

time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm

floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening

around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or

feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I

was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full

relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition

of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense

of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.

Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock

schedule,such as

being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to

always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the

clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I

drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up.

I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd

sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am

enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not

quite alive.

I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and

go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted

by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation. It

usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in

close relationships, yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've

rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important

documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many

times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and

it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have

no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and

it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning

before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and

frustrates me.It's like I am

senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them.

At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get

distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying

to remember where I was before I got interrupted. It's embarassing to have to

keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic

stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a

stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these

basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am

always floating and nothing seems quite real.

The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like

I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in

tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able

to actually feel sad.

I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process

seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like

there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that

it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings

on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your

thoughts.

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,

I don't have anything particularly useful to say about this, but

I want to wish you the best in dealing with it. I think you've

already taken the hardest steps - admitting you have a problem

and seeking help and a diagnosis. Hopefully your therapist will

be able to help you on the road to recovery.

At 06:28 AM 10/04/2009 christine.depizan wrote:

>I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm

>dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a

>BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided

>to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could

>find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting

> (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me

> as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was

> entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD

> even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I

> don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess

> there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm

> the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose

> decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

> that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on

> the scale of dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization

> disorder " and am in the high range for a score of

> " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple

> personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

> actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative

> Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full

> blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive

> control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

> dissociative disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very

> concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we

> discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're

> going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

> since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is

> real; nada did this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have

> learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic

> basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged

> trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to

> dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains

> are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life

> threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car

> accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens

> our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

> assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event

> and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular

> functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD

> if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or

> nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your

> body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal

> adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is

> repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight

> response is possible and happens when you're a child whose

> brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to

> anything that triggers memories or associations with the

> repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an

> automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

> repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating

> becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's

> functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive

> response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer

> has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when

> the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that

> the response of dissociation must be employed over and over

> again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were

> repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way!

> The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an

> accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe

> dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly

> abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps

> having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find

> myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at

> some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of

> constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up

> with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

> spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from

> myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am

> not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or

> feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I

> felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes

> away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real

> and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of

> existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

> have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of

> my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me

> and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such

> as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a

> trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

> shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the

> house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and

> will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I

> get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like

> a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I

> can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own

> life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite

> alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am

> triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm

> just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as

> indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It

> usually happens in some affective context and has caused me

> alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly

> said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I

> misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in

> the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

> them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning

> only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the

> medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of

> putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

> breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where

> it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even

> noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and

> frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in

> the front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I

> need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I

> nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I

> was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep

> constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though

> it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

> pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me

> feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I

> have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am

> always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to

> grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am

> dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my

> thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being

> able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My

> own thought process seems more like an observer observing than

> of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand

> person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's

> still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by

> the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going

> to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard

> getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I

> would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can

> relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts.

>

>

--

Katrina

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((((((((((()))))))))))))

I cried as I read your post. It is wonderful that you have a good therapist to

help you become the lovely person you were meant to be (before nada tried to

stamp you into HER mold).

May we all heal, blessings, mg

>

> I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point

where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am

in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known

as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last

saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is

going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

>

>

>

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Hi , first serious HUGS sent your way. It's clearly a really shaking

and sobering thing to get a diagnosis like this even if it is also a validation

for the reality you know you experienced. I hope you give yourself credit for

your bravery in exploring this and resourcefulness in all the methods and tricks

you've used to compensate for it. If I remember right you are pretty

successful in your work world, that didn't happen by accident but because of

your very real skills and qualities.

My first thought is that it is important to remember that you are the same

person you were before you got this diagnosis. This is another way of looking

at what is going on with you, providing new ways to approach working with it.

But who you are, that hasn't changed, DID is a label, a filter to view from,

with techniques to work on but the you who has become a corporate success, all

those accomplishments, all that strength and grit you've shared with us - that's

all just as true, just as real. I may be taking the wrong tack and if so

please forgive me, but I find it an issue for myself to hold on to the positives

about myself when dealing with the labels of psychology.

I can relate to some of your DID symptoms. I do not have it as continually, but

I think I may have a touch of it. Particularly during long periods of stress

and those weeklong visits to my family. I do a lot of spiritual work and have

used techniques and ways of looking at things from that when this happens for

me. One is I am aware when my energy is out of sync with my body - this is when

cold items get left on the counter, accidentally bumping into things, or in this

worst case feeling disconnected from my body. When that happens, I

deliberately command my " energy " to come back down into my body (most people's

energy goes up and out in a state of fear or dissocation) and I focus hard on

the bottom of my feet. Feeling them, their temp, the shoes the floor and this

can help to reverse it. It can even be helpful to focus slightly below your

actual feet.

Since you are dealing with this all the time, my foot sole focusing thing may

not work right away, but anything you do where you deliberately focus on your

body, especially it's boundaries, where it touches your clothes, the furniture,

helps to anchor you. I'm sure that psychologists have a whole raft of

techniques beyond that and maybe one day I'll take the plunge myself and see

what they say.

Again I'm sorry you went through so much and I hope that this discovery leads to

true healing and living a full life, in real time.

Take care,

>

> I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point

where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am

in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known

as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last

saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is

going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

>

>

>

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Eek,thank you for the empathy and for wishing me the best.You certainly went

through all kinds of hell with your abusive ex (and your nada previous to that)

and I can in turn empathize with your situation as you work your way towards a

brighter future for yourself and your son and I also wish you all the best.You

got yourself and your child out of a terrible place and like you said,seeking

wellness is the best sign of hope and that is what you are doing and that in

itself is progress.

Take care

>

> I am sorry to hear that you are going through that . I went through a

lot as a kid and wondered how I managed not to develop DID. I am experiencing

memory issues lately but I think that must be from the years of stress and sleep

deprivation that an abusive relationship caused, I certainly don't feel

dissociated but I do find the memory issues to be frustrating so I empathize

with you.

>

> At least you have a good prognosis, that is a lot better than BPD. It is sad

how so many children are left to deal with these obstacles after growing up in

an abusive environment, I wish that people who had these disorders would somehow

know that having kids was a bad idea but for some reason they seemed MORE likely

to want children. exMIL (who is PD'd and raised 3 PD'd kids) said that kids are

flattering. PD's seem to believe that a kid will fill their void, my PD'd ex

forced me to get pregnant as a ploy to trap me in the relationship (using a

child as a tactic rather than considering the care that a child requires.)

Children are merely objects to them or an extension of themselves. PDex felt

horrible about himself and he seemed to have been horribly abused as a child

(there were indications of sexual abuse and extreme discipline) so he reinacted

his horrible childhood onto our child. He insisted that a toddler understood

" what he was doing " when he

> knocked something off a table as he tried to steady himself while he learned

to walk. My son has issues now too, I was too terrified of PDex and became

brainwashed by him over the years (I felt like his kleenex, being used like one,

and being told that nobody would believe me and I would lose my son, etc.) But I

protected my son the best that I could and I eventually broke away. My son has

come a long way this past year. I am worried about him but our T's have said how

resilient he seems to be, as I seem to be as well, and that works in his favor.

He does not seem to have the mental weaknesses that PDex has in spite of his

struggles (PDex's entire family seems to have a mental weakness, making the

abuse more affective in destroying them).

>

> My son is a daydreamer, as I was at his age, probably part of our way of

dealing with the abuse but it does not seem to be a total dissociation. I do

think that PDex had episodes of dissociation, he didn't respond at all, his eyes

glazed over and it was very scary. PDex claims not to remember a lot of things

that he did or said and for some reason, I believe him (he is a pathological

liar but the way that he goes from Jekyll to Hyde, I would not be surprised that

he cannot remember things.) I really do think that PDex is a combination of

BPD/APD/DID. The DID being the least of the problem. I can only imagine the

things that caused these issues in PDex and I felt SOOOOO sorry for him for a

LONG time, he was not like this for no reason, his brother is even worse, but

PDex says that he cannot recall any extreme abuse (I witnessed a lack of

parenting skills in his parents when they offered to babysit my son, which I

stopped accepting for that very reason,

> there is a LONG history of abuse in that family that even exMIL admits to,

there are symptoms of severe abuse in PDex including calling himself bad and

shaking like he expects to be hit and having sexual issues and severe

homophobia, the list is long.) I just wish that we could stop this cycle of

abuse, it IS avoidable - these PD'd parents should NOT be permitted to be alone

with ANY child. I even looked into getting a tubal ligation to prevent PDex from

forcing me to get pregnant but as soon as he found out what I was trying to do,

he became furious, yelled at me that I would be taking away HIS ability to

reproduce, and he forced me to flush my birth control pills and proceeded to

take immediate action of forcing a pregnancy (I hoped not to be fertile enough

to get pregnany right away, I needed time to find an escape, but I had a

positive pregnancy test within a month.) I was willing to permanently give up my

ability to have kids in order to avoid

> reproducing with PDex but his determination won out. I love my son to bits,

he is exactly who I dreamed he would be (I knew I was carrying a son long before

the doctors knew, I dreamed of him each night, he looks and act just as I

dreamed and I don't believe in such things, I am a sceptic at heart.)

>

> This is a ranting and confusing email, I know, but I so much wanted to avoid

having a child with PDex but he bullied me into it. I guess I am lucky that my

son does not have his father's demeaner, I could have a BP kid on my hands too.

, I wish you the best with your treatment. Just the fact that you are

seeking wellness is a great sign of hope and a lot more than most BP's achieve.

I, unfortunately, will probably be dealing with the consequences (to both my son

and I) for many years but simply seeking wellness is probably the biggest sign

of hope.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: WTOAdultChildren1

> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:28:12 AM

> Subject: I've been diagnosed with a dissociative disorder

>

>

> I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point

where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway, the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in

the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as

" multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my

therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to

mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understandi ng that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a

dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from

repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to

dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to

dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as

actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that

threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,

such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the

dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to

have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or

nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning. What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in

> dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has

been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps

having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I

don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant. Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as

> being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to

always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the

clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I

drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd

sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am

enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not

quite alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and

go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted

by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation. It

usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in

close relationships, yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've

rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important

documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many

times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and

it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have

no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and

it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning

before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and

frustrates me.It's like I am

> senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get

distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying

to remember where I was before I got interrupted. It's embarassing to have to

keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic

stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a

stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these

basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am

always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process

seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like

there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that

it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these

feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate

your thoughts.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Annie,thank you so much for your support,understanding and encouragement.You

really nailed it when you said (paraphrasing you) that the crux of my

dissociation is not feeling safe and never having felt safe.I was NOT safe and I

think that it was nada never wanting me in the first place and wanting me to die

that did it--I think that without that dynamic " all " I'd have is ptsd.We are of

course,all of us,never absolutely guaranteed a tomorrow but in the normal course

of human brain functioning we are able to overlook that reality for the sake of

simply living the lives we have in the moment--it does us no good to dwell on

morbid thoughts and there is a good reason why our own mortality isn't

constantly at the forefront of our minds--it would impair our functioning!

Unfortunately my childhood had the constant threat of death hanging over me,in

a real way.That is a very un-natural way to have to live year in and year

out--and would be a catastrophic state of affairs to a brain that is still

developing so it doesn't really surprise me that I had to use dissociation as a

" tool " to preserve whatever healthy functioning I could.It came at a cost,but I

suppose the alternative would have been becoming stark raving insane and I

imagine that trying to undo THAT would be much more difficult (if not impossible

without heavy meds?).

Thank you also for mentioning that things like ptsd and dissociation are

less " mental illness " than adaptive survival strategies.They are considered

" pathological " when they endure well beyond the precipitating event yet at the

same time they are responses that anyone would have if exposed to enough serious

psychological outrage with no way to escape from it.I wanted to add that with

the kind of dissociation I have (depersonalization and DDNOS), " reality testing "

remains intact,as in,I am aware that my feelings of unreality or spaciness are

just feelings and I don't translate them into me actually being not real or the

rest of the world not being real or really " there " .That is a big source of the

discomfort I feel because I know that it is abnormal and that most other people

don't feel this way.

Some of what you experience could very well be dissociation related given

the serious abuse you suffered at the hands of your nada.My own dissociation

interferes so much with how I feel (or can't feel) on a daily basis and I've

spent so many years making do and putting up with it even though it has

impoverished my quality of life for so long and I have just had it.I do have

periods when it's very mild and tolerable and I think that finally I've managed

to rid myself of it but stressful situations (like the one with my coworker and

confronting my memories of nada having murderous intentions towards me) bring it

back on full force.It isn't going to " just go away " ,I have realized,unless I

undergo some treatment to learn how to employ other,better tools of

functioning.I was not expecting this diagnosis yet it made sense and it makes

too much sense for me to even want to deny it.It also gives me something to work

with or from.

It could actually take a while--possibly even years--for me to let go of

reflexively dissociating but what the therapist said was that my prognosis is

very good.I am willing to do the work,as daunting as it seems right now.I know

where it came from and what caused it,which saves lots of time trying to figure

that part out.

I don't want to allow the past to continue to rob me of a future that is

meaningful and fulflling to ME.

Thanks so much again for your support and encouragment,I really do

appreciate it very much.

> >

> > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> >

> > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> >

> > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> >

> > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> >

> > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> >

> > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> >

> > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> >

> > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> >

> > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> >

> > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> >

> > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

> >

> > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> >

> > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> >

> > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> >

> > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> >

> > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect

of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

> >

> > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Thank you,MG for your kindness.I heartily second you on " May we all heal " ...all

of us deserve to be the lovely people we were meant to be...

Blessings to you as well,

> >

> > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> >

> > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> >

> > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> >

> > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> >

> > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> >

> > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> >

> > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> >

> > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> >

> > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> >

> > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> >

> > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

> >

> > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> >

> > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> >

> > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> >

> > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> >

> > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect

of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

> >

> > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi ...you didn't take the wrong tack at all,I really enjoyed reading your

post and I thought it was very nice and reassuringly supportive.

I agree with you that my diagnosis ( " Dissociative disorder not otherwise

specified or DDNOS and " Depersonalization disorder " ) are just labels and that a

label doesn't change who I was the day before I received this diagnosis.It just

explained alot when I was able to take it in and yes it is validating in a

way,sort of like a touchstone to reality,my reality,even though it is not a

reality that I want to be permanent! I've tried to tell people close to me that

I dissociate and it's never had much meaning to them because they don't--they

have seemed to view it more as an excuse than a reason.When I have said point

blank, " Don't take this personally,I'm feeling upset or overwhelmed or scared and

I'm going blank/I'm dissociating and it's going to take me a while to come out

of it " ,I have been told: " You don't have to say that,I can tell you're just not

too into me right now...I can tell you don't want to be close to me right

now....I can tell you just want to be alone... " like I'm making an excuse to

avoid them instead of being honest,when that isn't the case at all.It's very

frustrating.I've been waiting for someone to say " What can I do to help you come

out of it " and it turns out,that someone is going to be a therapist.

I stopped including " I don't feel safe right now,so that is why I'm going

blank " because other people really tended to take that one personally: How can

you say I don't make you feel safe/how can you say you feel unsafe with me,I

didn't do anything/I'm not a dangerous person/But I care about you,how could you

possibly feel unsafe with me? Etc.

So,it's going to be a new and I hope better experience to have someone

who knows what I mean when I say that.

Thanks for the tips,it really touched me that you would think of those

things.I hadn't thought of the fact of my vital energy exiting from me upwards

under stress or that I could command it back down,I like that.I'm going to try

it.I've been doing the concentrating on the feeling of my feet for years,like

curling my toes towards the ground or flattening my feet to feel that they are

on something solid when I start to feel spacey.I've also learned to pick one

thing in a room to focus on until I feel more grounded or to pick something up

and hold it tightly,feeling its solidity in my hand so I'll continue to feel

somewhat present in my body.

Something we're going to do in therapy that is probably going to take me

some time to master is learning how to identify the precursors to my various

dissociations: what exactly happens in my body/mind just before so that I can

then recognize that it's going to happen enough for me to acknowledge it,take

command of it,and redirect it with either some grounding technique or some

assertive means of protecting myself or confidently assuming control of my own

ability to ensure my own safety whether that is emotional or physical.I am able

to do this when the stressor is mild to moderate but not when it's severe--and

severe is almost always when the stessor is some trigger to something that

traumatized me.Which unfortunately is alot of stuff.So we're going to have to

also work on me working through those feelings and learning how to remind myself

that I am now safe in the majority of the situations I'm going to encounter

today and how I can develop a consciousness of the fact that I can now act on my

own behalf without dissociating because I fear some punishment for basically

believe it or not merely being present--a fear that applied in my childhood when

I was being abused but isn't likely to happen now.Ironically,it's often when I

do dissociate that I am met with that dreaded " punishment " in the form of other

peoples' misunderstanding or judgemental attitude,so obviously it isn't

" working " as a solution.

As for work,I took a personal day for tomorrow because as much as I am

cautiously optimistic about setting to work on these issues,I also feel

tremendous grief right now.What happened to me,was done to me,feels more

achingly real right now than it ever did.My girlfriend (with whom I don't live)

is not quite on board with the fact (as I see it) that what I am about to

attempt is going to be the hardest thing I've ever done.She doesn't quite get

it,that after everything I went through,that now I would ask myself if I'm going

to be able to manage it.I mean,I think that I will and I WANT to,but I refuse to

kid myself that it's going to be easy or that there is going to be a quick fix

here.Her take is: " But you've overcome so much and you are a survivor,look at

all you've managed to achieve " when what I really honestly need right now is to

address my weaknesses and what is not working in my functioning,not in the sense

of being negative and full of doom and gloom,but just in the sense of being

realistic and of coming to grips with what I need to change about me.Focusing on

what I have managed to do in spite of it all has not stopped the feelings of not

being truly present in my own life or truly in command of it for me and even if

I ruled the world or something I know that I'd still feel just as spaced out and

just as prone to " blanking out " in a way that I can't control right now or

prevent; I'd still be floating my way through my own life and my own life would

still not feel quite like it really IS my life.And I am tired,so tired,of

constantly flashing back to the past.That is what happens every single time I

dissociate: it reminds me of why I am doing that.My girlfriend and I are stuck

in a sort of rut of my " survivorship " ,something I also bear some responsibility

for since I have also wanted it to be " enough " and now that I am accepting that

it isn't enough to heal me,that there is further serious work to be done to help

me to genuinely heal, she is not apprehending that I have really only just begun

to heal.I hope that she will come to understand this in time.I know that it's no

picnic to be involved in a relationship with someone like me who always,it

seems,has something more to deal with.She thinks that I have managed rather well

living with my dissociation but that is because I can fake being more present

than I really feel or because I don't always admit when I am dissociating for

fear of being a broken record.I have done this because I really didn't know what

else to do,not because I wanted to deceive her or anyone else.But it amounts

only to an illusion of wholeness and I just can't stand it anymore.

And work...where I am in my job right now has everything to do with me

and me knowing that I simply can't handle more resposibility right now--and

nothing whatsoever do with the proverbial " glass ceiling " .I was offered a

promotion.I turned it down.My boss,another woman,wants me to go further.She has

said herself that she " believes " in me,but she has no idea how much I've had to

struggle to achieve the level of competence I now have nor how much I have to

struggle to maintain it nor how much it is a battle for me to simply be on time

or to do my job--things that should be basic to me by now but are not.I appear

to be fine; to be the kind of employee she'd like to promote.She was mystified

and disappointed when I turned down the promotion--it made no sense to her

because anyone else in my position would have gladly jumped at the chance.Of

course I can't tell her or anyone else at work what it is that I'm truly

struggling with.Instead,I come off as one of those women who is afraid of

success when really it's more that I know my limits and believe me,it both hurts

badly to know that without these symptoms I could rise to the top and to know

that because there is no way to be totally upfront and honest about what I'm

dealing with to my boss or my coworkers that the only thing to do is to allow

them to believe whatever they're going to believe.I totally understand that my

apparent stubborn refusal to take on the higher position that was offered to me

seems strange.I am where I am now because of an earlier promotion that I did

accept and once I got there I was horrified to discover that I was dissociating

even more than before and I had to FIGHT to function around it.It took me months

to get it into some region of managable and I don't want to go through that

again,it was purely hellish.I want to reserve what battle strength I have for

addressing the dissociation itself because I cannot live the rest of my life in

this dread of it and allowing it to hold me back.In many ways,it rules my life

and it is limiting my horizons.

That is the sober reality that I am digesting right now.I want this to be

a turning point--to take that hurt little girl who was brutalized by her

parents' mental illness by the hand and to walk with her into the sunrise.

Thanks for listening and thank you for your support.It means alot

to me that you are so nice and encouraging.I appreciate it VERY much.

> >

> > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> >

> > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> >

> > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> >

> > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> >

> > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> >

> > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> >

> > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> >

> > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> >

> > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> >

> > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> >

> > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

> >

> > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> >

> > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> >

> > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> >

> > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> >

> > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect

of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

> >

> > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> >

> >

> >

>

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- Thanks so much for this big post. Your description of what it feels

like to disassociate was so clear, it really helped me to understand much

better. I've had a few episodes sort of like that, but nothing like what you're

experiencing. I know that you will come through this. You're very self aware,

and you have the intelligence and drive to work on this until you get it

" fixed. "

>

> I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point

where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am

in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known

as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last

saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is

going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

>

>

>

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It just occurred to me to share this because I've been toying with the idea of

doing it myself, and as I was thinking about it, it made me wonder if it could

help both with " grounding " oneself in the here and now and make one feel safer

at the same time: taking classes in the martial arts.

Both Sister and her son have taken various kinds of martial arts classes for

years and years; Nephew has a black belt in Tai Kwon Do, and Sister has, I

think, an orange belt.

I feel sorry for anybody who tries to mess with either of them!

Its something to think about, anyway. Me, I'd need to lose quite a bit of

weight first, otherwise I think I'd really hurt (and embarrass) myself during

the parts where you have to learn to fall down properly (and get back up again

in a timely manner).

But I thought I'd toss that idea in the hat; it seems to me to offer the idea of

becoming a powerful adult person and calm centeredness as well as physical

fitness.

-Annie

> > >

> > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > >

> > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > >

> > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > >

> > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> > >

> > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > >

> > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > >

> > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > >

> > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > >

> > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > >

> > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > >

> > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > >

> > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > >

> > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > >

> > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > >

> > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > >

> > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > >

> > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi , Regarding the promotion, people turn down/don't want promotions

all the time. They have many different reasons for doing so, and although

someone at the top (who is obviously into being promoted) doesn't understand,

many other people do, they just don't voice it, so it's not so unusual, and it's

nobody's business but yours.

As far as your girlfriend saying " you've been through so much already " that is

true. You went through so much *using a crutch*. Now, your job with your

therapist's help, is to stop using the crutch. Maybe if you explained it to her

that way, it would make more sense?

Best of luck to you on your journey.

-Deanna

> > >

> > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > >

> > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > >

> > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > >

> > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> > >

> > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > >

> > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > >

> > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > >

> > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > >

> > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > >

> > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > >

> > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > >

> > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > >

> > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > >

> > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > >

> > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > >

> > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > >

> > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Annie - you sound like a perfect candidate for tai chi - you won't be able to

break a board with your hands, but it does seem to be calming and helpful to

flexibility. -

> > > >

> > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > >

> > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > >

> > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > >

> > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > >

> > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > > >

> > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > >

> > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > >

> > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > >

> > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > >

> > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > >

> > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > > >

> > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > >

> > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > >

> > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > >

> > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > >

> > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Thanks! I'll check out tai chi, see what that's like.

-Annie

> > > > >

> > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at

the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > > >

> > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > > >

> > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very

concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this

diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off

and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real;

nada did this to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned

that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get "

DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your

body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a

traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when

no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose

brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that

triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off

dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is

subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes

habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature

to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer

has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > > >

> > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively

abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe

brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > > >

> > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a

ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I

don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in

it.It's like I am not quite alive.

> > > > >

> > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > > >

> > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to

do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > > >

> > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp

my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi Deanna,thank you for the advice.I hadn't thought of desribing it as a

" crutch " ,that might help to make it more understandable in terms of why I need

to learn how to cope without it.I'll try that.

I hear what you're saying about promotions in general and I agree with you

that it should be nobody's business but mine.I need to establish better

boundaries for both myself and in how I respond to others--this is of course

something I intend to address in therapy.The subject of the turned down

promotion came up with some coworkers when our boss brought in an outside

director and they wondered aloud why in the world she hadn't just offered the

position to me.Instead of keeping my mouth shut,which in retrospect is what I

should have done,I told them that she had offered it to me but that I had turned

it down.At the exact moment when I said that,I was starting to " space out " and

so I spoke in an attempt to remain present--this is a very good example of how

the dissociation prevents me from thinking twice before acting or speaking

sometimes.If I had felt present and calm,I would not have blurted that out.

My coworkers then said that they wished I had accepted it,that they would

be " thrilled " to have me be the one in charge.And that was nice,that was a shot

in the arm,it made me feel good yet it made me feel as if I had somehow " lost

control " of the situation and reminded me of why I know that I'm not actually up

to handling the promotion.I wasn't consciously seeking reassurance from them,I

was only trying to ward off the discomfort of " going blank " .I want to learn how

to not do that in the first place so I am not sending out mixed messages,I don't

know what else to call it but to me that seems to be the result.

The other thing is that for reasons I don't understand aside from my job

performance,I am something of the boss' " darling " .She has a reputation for being

short tempered at times with people to the point of even yelling or being

extremely critical.When she is not happy with someone's performance she makes it

very clear and she doesn't want to hear excuses or explanations.She often speaks

to people in a " giving orders " kind of way.But she never does this to me.She is

always very respectful to me and when something has gone wrong in our department

she has deferred to me to fix it,a couple of times in front of my coworkers who

were amazed because in any other circumstance she would have blown a gasket and

has humiliated other people on front of their peers,but with me she is all

smiles.One day some papers slipped off of a desk when we were speaking--usually

if something like that happens the coworker rushes to pick it up or

whatever,catering to her...but before I had a chance to get the papers,she bowed

down to get them,practically bowing at my feet and carefully arranged them back

on the desk.Other people saw this and somebody later commented that I am " X's

favorite. " THAT time I did keep my mouth shut.It has caused some resentment of

me,nothing major,but it is widely assumed that I am in line to become the VP.I

have not said anything specifically about that either but it's true: my boss

does want me to move up which is why turning down that promotion made no sense

to her.She has put some effort into me.

And I DO want to become VP,and even go further than that,but I just can't

when I don't feel in control of ME and consequently in control of my work life.I

feel like I am letting myself and other people down.

Sorry for the long post again but it helps to write it out.

> > > >

> > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > >

> > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > >

> > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > >

> > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > >

> > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > > >

> > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > >

> > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > >

> > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > >

> > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > >

> > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > >

> > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > > >

> > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > >

> > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > >

> > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > >

> > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > >

> > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi ,

Wow. I hesitate to say anything like " right on " but to just go to therapy and to

get a diagnosis and do that...so that you can start the process of healing is

really amazing :) A toast to you and your journey.

I too went to therapy with the " just tell me what's wrong with me so I can fix

it " in absolute terror that my therapist would tell me I have BPD. I remember

when he gave me my Coda diagnosis. I was like practically screaming at

him...Just tell me what's wrong with me so we can fix it...I dont care what it

is JUST. TELL. ME. In any event, while that wasn't my greatest moment its been

mostly uphill from here.

I think I know what you are talking about with dissociation. Its like every now

and then the world just goes kinda mute on me...or grey...or like those Claritin

commercials...before they pull the mask off and everything on the screen is just

brighter only Im stuck in fuzzy world. I dont know about you...and I dont even

know if this is dissociation, but even sound feels sorta like Im in a

tunnel...or talking through a tin can. Usually...after I have one of these

experiences I go take a bath or meditate or go for a run...I always feel " with

myself " when Im running. Breath in...breath out...dont over pronate...foot

stiking ground...I feel the earth and the earth feels me...swing arms...keep

posture...Oh I feel my lungs now. Something like that.

Anyway...congratulations on this huge major step toward recovery :)

XOXO

Jen

>

> I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point

where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am

in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known

as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last

saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is

going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

>

>

>

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Thank you,Jen :)

That's how I felt,too, " let's just be honest here about what I'm dealing with

so I can address it " .What is Coda? I don't know that term.

Feeling like you're in a tunnel or like you're speaking through a tin can

is dissociation but it would be considered mild if it only happens every now and

then and it sounds like you've found good,healthy ways to snap yourself out of

it.Mine is pretty much constant and I can't stand living like this anymore,thus

the need for therapy!

Thank you so much for your words of support.

> >

> > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> >

> > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> >

> > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> >

> > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> >

> > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> >

> > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> >

> > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> >

> > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> >

> > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> >

> > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> >

> > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

> >

> > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> >

> > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> >

> > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> >

> > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> >

> > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect

of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

> >

> > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Coda= shorthand for Co-dependent. Im working on it...

I'm glad you're doing what you need to do for yourself in getting help and

reaching out here. You're worth it :)

> > >

> > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > >

> > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > >

> > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > >

> > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> > >

> > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > >

> > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > >

> > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > >

> > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > >

> > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > >

> > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > >

> > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > >

> > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > >

> > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > >

> > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > >

> > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > >

> > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > >

> > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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,I'm glad my description made sense and that you got something out of

it.It's actually pretty hard to describe something that happens so much that I

take some aspects of it for granted in a way,but I guess the major part of it is

feeling like I am at a remove--and at times several removes-- from life and my

own existence and having that strange " floating " feeling.Anyone who has been in

an accident or has had some life threatening trauma experiences this at the

moment of the event but for me it kind of never quite stops.

And I thank you sincerely for your encouragement,I want very much to come

through this.

> >

> > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> >

> > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> >

> > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> >

> > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> >

> > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> >

> > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> >

> > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> >

> > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> >

> > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> >

> > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> >

> > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

> >

> > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> >

> > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> >

> > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> >

> > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> >

> > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect

of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

> >

> > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> >

> >

> >

>

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Annie,I've long toyed with the idea of taking up some form of martial

arts,too,that's something I always have in mind to take up but haven't " gotten

around " to it and for the reasons you mentioned.

I've also wanted to do t'ai chi,as suggested,because it's a gentler

method of grounding oneself in the moment and has no combative element.I'm a bit

concerned right now that I'm not ready to handle anything that suggests fending

off another person,but t'ai chi could be very helpful.If I remember

correctly,what t'ai chi is supposed to do is to train you to direct the flow of

your vital energy,chi,and to harmonize it with your being.Chi is also a

universal vital energy that flows through us from the universe and when our own

personal flow of chi is blocked,we feel unwell or uneasy--basically not fully in

balance with ourselves.People usually do t'ai chi in a group out in nature,like

in a park.

Sounds peaceful!

Thanks again,

> > > >

> > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > >

> > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > >

> > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > >

> > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > >

> > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > > >

> > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > >

> > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > >

> > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > >

> > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > >

> > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > >

> > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > > >

> > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > >

> > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > >

> > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > >

> > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > >

> > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Ah! Thanks Group-sibs for describing tai chi! Interesting; it sounds very gentle

and meditative, and do-able at my current level of non-fitness.

But I'm so full of anger, though, that the idea of learning how to throw people

to the floor and break boards with my hands is very appealing to me now.

Grrrr!

Have to lose weight first, though.

Thanks,

-Annie

> > > > >

> > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at

the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > > >

> > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > > >

> > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very

concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this

diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off

and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real;

nada did this to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned

that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get "

DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your

body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a

traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when

no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose

brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that

triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off

dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is

subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes

habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature

to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer

has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > > >

> > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively

abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe

brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > > >

> > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a

ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I

don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in

it.It's like I am not quite alive.

> > > > >

> > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > > >

> > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to

do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > > >

> > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp

my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi , I'm definitely rooting for you and hope that this is the beginning

of great and good changes for you. I hope your girlfriend can come to some

understanding of where you are at in time. You sound like you are more

forgiving than I am, I have a very hard time still feeling loved when someone

misunderstands or judges. Yet many " normal " people can't help but do exactly

that because they have no frame of reference for psychological torture. Would

that no one understood that.

I'm glad you liked my tips though it sounds like you already have worked out

your own system which sounds great too. This is related but dissimilar but I've

often induced dissociation - at least in feeling separate from the body - in

meditation. The best techinique I forgot to mention was to imagine you are

putting your body " on " , where you (your energy) acts like your hand going into a

glove(your body) or like putting your leg into a boot. I like your and Annie's

discussion about safety though - that's what matters most and hope you can get

that solid ground back.

take care,

> > >

> > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > >

> > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > >

> > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and

am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly

known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I

did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > >

> > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

> > >

> > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > >

> > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > >

> > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > >

> > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > >

> > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > >

> > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > >

> > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > >

> > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > >

> > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > >

> > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > >

> > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > >

> > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > >

> > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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- It sounds as if the boss has been grooming you for promotion - this

is a very good thing. It means she sees your potential. Is there a way you can

" practice " the job you'd be doing if you eventually take a promotion? When the

new director goes on vacation, for instance, maybe you can fill in. When there

are executive-level projects going on (hiring/firing, strategy, etc.) maybe you

can be the " number 2 " on those projects. Then, next time the gold ring comes

around, you might have more self confidence. And of course, the therapy is

going to help you so you're not so worried about disassociating in a crisis.

It will all happen when it's supposed to, right? -

> > > > >

> > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > > >

> > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at

the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > > >

> > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > > >

> > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very

concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this

diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off

and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real;

nada did this to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned

that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get "

DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your

body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a

traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when

no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose

brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that

triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off

dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is

subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes

habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature

to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer

has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > > >

> > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively

abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe

brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > > >

> > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a

ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I

don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in

it.It's like I am not quite alive.

> > > > >

> > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > > >

> > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to

do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > > >

> > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp

my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > > >

> > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Annie - you've probably seen people doing tai chi on TV (there's one arthritis

pill commercial I remember, among others). It's really quite beautiful to

watch, especially when there's a group. In Asia, very elderly people do it -

it's definitely low-impact, so it's a good place to start if you haven't been

active. The movements are a slow, graceful version of some " active " martial

arts moves, so I guess you could probably graduate to the stuff your other

family members are doing. You can find classes at the Y, and in many other

places. In the mean time, walk softly and carry a big stick - and if anybody

messes with you, whack 'em upside the head with it. -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing

with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at

the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization

disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity

disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who

score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative

Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie

split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very

concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this

diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off

and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real;

nada did this to me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned

that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get "

DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your

body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a

traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when

no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose

brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that

triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off

dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is

subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes

habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature

to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer

has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively

abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe

brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a

ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I

don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in

it.It's like I am not quite alive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am

triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there

anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of

complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has

caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that

I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to

keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never

find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find

it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window

sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal

at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need

to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp

my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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I don't know a lot about the DID, but have read a little. I have thought that I

might have it. Do you have any references that I could read; any definitions or

therapy approaches that have been recommended?

On a positive note, just remember what you said,

" Dissociation...is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event. "

And i would add, a normal response to a traumatic event...IN ORDER TO SURVIVE.

It was your psychie's way of surviving the trauma. So try and be kind to

yourself while discovering more about this.

The part i relate to happpens periodically throughout the day. For most of my

life i just thought it was my normal moods, but now i'm becoming more " aware "

that these episodes might be flashbacks, or even altered states. For me they

can last for days or minutes or hours. I'm still not sure if they are totally

different states, but when i snap out of the depression or anxiety states, I

feel myself looking back at it and thinking, what came over me? Why was i so

anxious, scared, and helpless.

It does feel a little like what you're describing, but maybe not as severe.

It's hard to pinpoint, and that's why it would be interesting to get a diagnosis

and see if the treatment applies.

I would be happy to dialogue with you about it. I'm sorry i can't tell you more,

but 3 years ago i remember picking up a book on it in the book store. I'm not

sure of the exact title, something like Dealing with DID, or something like

that. When I'm in the bookstore next, I'll do a search on it and let you know.

Does your Therapist know the treatment approach; what you're supposed to do?

Good luck, and realize that someone is here to talk about it.

Mark

P.S. I'm kind of new here and have only posted a few times, but I haven't been

able to find my original post, or find out if anyone else commented. Maybe I

have to write down the day of the post or something.

>

> I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or

trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic

nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if

I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

>

> I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point

where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

>

> The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am

in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known

as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did

actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise

Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who

assume executive control of my functioning at times.

>

> I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative

disorder.

>

> I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last

saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is

going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

>

> I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

>

> Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

>

> In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as

children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

>

> Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone

who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from

perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

>

> Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some

place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My

dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite

catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey

or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that

are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how

I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

>

> I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have

this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like

I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am

not quite alive.

>

> I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by

something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is

misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

>

> At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and

if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

>

> The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own

emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

>

> I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought

process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's

like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know

that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

>

> Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of

addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my

prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel

better.

>

> I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish

these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

>

>

>

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Thanks alot,... " Would that no one understood that " (psychological

torture)...yes!...what a different world this would be...I have a hard time

still feeling loved when someone misunderstands or judges what for me is how I

happen to feel (even though I know why they don't get it).It makes me feel

unsafe all over again and/or existentially alone which is a really nasty

feeling.There is the " intact " who is essentially a sunny,friendly

person who is self confident and philosophical--and then there are all these

fragmented,damaged " ego states " in me that have traumatized reactions or that

experience all the yucky feelings the intact me never integrated.When these " ego

states " come out I know that it really jars with how I was a moment before and

since the person I'm with doesn't have a similar experience,they fill in that

gap with their own reaction or perspective...and THAT is very frustrating

because the twain just is not meeting...it hurts to know that the people close

to me can't replace or replicate what nada should have been,a real mother...a

real parent...and to know that I just can't expect them to,that time has been

and gone.

I actually am more disturbed by some things I've read by certain

therapists,like one whose name I forget because it wasn't worth remembering,who

said speaking of overcoming trauma, " The survivor of truama needs to come to a

point in their grieving for the lost parent of maintaining a magnanimity

regarding the trauma itself: to accept the permananent state of grief with

magnanimity. "

WHAT!!??? I thought when I read that,hey you jerk,let's see how effing

" magnanimous " you'd be feeling for the rest of your life if it was YOU.

We are our own best guides through this,I think.

> > > >

> > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with

(or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid

psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of

some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with.

> > > >

> > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the

point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my

childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I

also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't

routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear

of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the

therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory

that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of

dissociative disorders.

> > > >

> > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder "

and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder "

formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the

range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not

Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off

personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times.

> > > >

> > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a

dissociative disorder.

> > > >

> > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I

last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis

is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever

since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did

this to me.

> > > >

> > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that

unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID

or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically

predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are

wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening

incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected

to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual

assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover

from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may

continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like

flashbacks or nightmares.

> > > >

> > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling

unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic

event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight

or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is

still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers

memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation

doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to

repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and

assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an

adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has

conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is

repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must

be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex.

> > > >

> > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused

as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain

injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either.

> > > >

> > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is

someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for

it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic.

> > > >

> > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in

some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I

did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't

quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel

spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events

that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with

how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt

every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes

into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a

supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I

have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than

a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to

adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel

like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like

shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the

clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially

bad in the morning when I get up.

> > > >

> > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I

have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel

like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like

I am not quite alive.

> > > >

> > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered

by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This

is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete

dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot

of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was

dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep

important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find

them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's

gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill

and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at

breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since

the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it

scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the

front door lock or I will lose them.

> > > >

> > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do

and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and

internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's

embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do

even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my

pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have

to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to

focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real.

> > > >

> > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my

own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my

emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to

be sad " without being able to actually feel sad.

> > > >

> > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own

thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about

me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into

myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the

prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was

told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I

will feel better.

> > > >

> > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not

wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd

appreciate your thoughts.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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