Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 I am sorry to hear that you are going through that . I went through a lot as a kid and wondered how I managed not to develop DID. I am experiencing memory issues lately but I think that must be from the years of stress and sleep deprivation that an abusive relationship caused, I certainly don't feel dissociated but I do find the memory issues to be frustrating so I empathize with you. At least you have a good prognosis, that is a lot better than BPD. It is sad how so many children are left to deal with these obstacles after growing up in an abusive environment, I wish that people who had these disorders would somehow know that having kids was a bad idea but for some reason they seemed MORE likely to want children. exMIL (who is PD'd and raised 3 PD'd kids) said that kids are flattering. PD's seem to believe that a kid will fill their void, my PD'd ex forced me to get pregnant as a ploy to trap me in the relationship (using a child as a tactic rather than considering the care that a child requires.) Children are merely objects to them or an extension of themselves. PDex felt horrible about himself and he seemed to have been horribly abused as a child (there were indications of sexual abuse and extreme discipline) so he reinacted his horrible childhood onto our child. He insisted that a toddler understood " what he was doing " when he knocked something off a table as he tried to steady himself while he learned to walk. My son has issues now too, I was too terrified of PDex and became brainwashed by him over the years (I felt like his kleenex, being used like one, and being told that nobody would believe me and I would lose my son, etc.) But I protected my son the best that I could and I eventually broke away. My son has come a long way this past year. I am worried about him but our T's have said how resilient he seems to be, as I seem to be as well, and that works in his favor. He does not seem to have the mental weaknesses that PDex has in spite of his struggles (PDex's entire family seems to have a mental weakness, making the abuse more affective in destroying them). My son is a daydreamer, as I was at his age, probably part of our way of dealing with the abuse but it does not seem to be a total dissociation. I do think that PDex had episodes of dissociation, he didn't respond at all, his eyes glazed over and it was very scary. PDex claims not to remember a lot of things that he did or said and for some reason, I believe him (he is a pathological liar but the way that he goes from Jekyll to Hyde, I would not be surprised that he cannot remember things.) I really do think that PDex is a combination of BPD/APD/DID. The DID being the least of the problem. I can only imagine the things that caused these issues in PDex and I felt SOOOOO sorry for him for a LONG time, he was not like this for no reason, his brother is even worse, but PDex says that he cannot recall any extreme abuse (I witnessed a lack of parenting skills in his parents when they offered to babysit my son, which I stopped accepting for that very reason, there is a LONG history of abuse in that family that even exMIL admits to, there are symptoms of severe abuse in PDex including calling himself bad and shaking like he expects to be hit and having sexual issues and severe homophobia, the list is long.) I just wish that we could stop this cycle of abuse, it IS avoidable - these PD'd parents should NOT be permitted to be alone with ANY child. I even looked into getting a tubal ligation to prevent PDex from forcing me to get pregnant but as soon as he found out what I was trying to do, he became furious, yelled at me that I would be taking away HIS ability to reproduce, and he forced me to flush my birth control pills and proceeded to take immediate action of forcing a pregnancy (I hoped not to be fertile enough to get pregnany right away, I needed time to find an escape, but I had a positive pregnancy test within a month.) I was willing to permanently give up my ability to have kids in order to avoid reproducing with PDex but his determination won out. I love my son to bits, he is exactly who I dreamed he would be (I knew I was carrying a son long before the doctors knew, I dreamed of him each night, he looks and act just as I dreamed and I don't believe in such things, I am a sceptic at heart.) This is a ranting and confusing email, I know, but I so much wanted to avoid having a child with PDex but he bullied me into it. I guess I am lucky that my son does not have his father's demeaner, I could have a BP kid on my hands too. , I wish you the best with your treatment. Just the fact that you are seeking wellness is a great sign of hope and a lot more than most BP's achieve. I, unfortunately, will probably be dealing with the consequences (to both my son and I) for many years but simply seeking wellness is probably the biggest sign of hope. ________________________________ To: WTOAdultChildren1 Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:28:12 AM Subject: I've been diagnosed with a dissociative disorder I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway, the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understandi ng that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally, such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning. What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant. Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation. It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships, yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted. It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 , I don't have anything particularly useful to say about this, but I want to wish you the best in dealing with it. I think you've already taken the hardest steps - admitting you have a problem and seeking help and a diagnosis. Hopefully your therapist will be able to help you on the road to recovery. At 06:28 AM 10/04/2009 christine.depizan wrote: >I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm >dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a >BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided >to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could >find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting > (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me > as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was > entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD > even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I > don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess > there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm > the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose > decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory > that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on > the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization > disorder " and am in the high range for a score of > " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple > personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did > actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative > Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full > blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive > control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a > dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very > concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we > discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're > going to do and I've been crying off and on ever > since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is > real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have > learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic > basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged > trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to > dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains > are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life > threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car > accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens > our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual > assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event > and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular > functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD > if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or > nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your > body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal > adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is > repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight > response is possible and happens when you're a child whose > brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to > anything that triggers memories or associations with the > repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an > automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to > repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating > becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's > functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive > response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer > has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when > the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that > the response of dissociation must be employed over and over > again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were > repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! > The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an > accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe > dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly > abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps > having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find > myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at > some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of > constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up > with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel > spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from > myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am > not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or > feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I > felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes > away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real > and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of > existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I > have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of > my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me > and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such > as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a > trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like > shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the > house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and > will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I > get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like > a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I > can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own > life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite > alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am > triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm > just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as > indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It > usually happens in some affective context and has caused me > alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly > said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I > misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in > the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find > them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning > only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the > medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of > putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at > breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where > it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even > noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and > frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in > the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I > need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I > nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I > was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep > constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though > it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my > pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me > feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I > have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am > always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to > grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am > dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my > thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being > able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My > own thought process seems more like an observer observing than > of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand > person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's > still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by > the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going > to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard > getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I > would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can > relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > -- Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 ((((((((((())))))))))))) I cried as I read your post. It is wonderful that you have a good therapist to help you become the lovely person you were meant to be (before nada tried to stamp you into HER mold). May we all heal, blessings, mg > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Hi , first serious HUGS sent your way. It's clearly a really shaking and sobering thing to get a diagnosis like this even if it is also a validation for the reality you know you experienced. I hope you give yourself credit for your bravery in exploring this and resourcefulness in all the methods and tricks you've used to compensate for it. If I remember right you are pretty successful in your work world, that didn't happen by accident but because of your very real skills and qualities. My first thought is that it is important to remember that you are the same person you were before you got this diagnosis. This is another way of looking at what is going on with you, providing new ways to approach working with it. But who you are, that hasn't changed, DID is a label, a filter to view from, with techniques to work on but the you who has become a corporate success, all those accomplishments, all that strength and grit you've shared with us - that's all just as true, just as real. I may be taking the wrong tack and if so please forgive me, but I find it an issue for myself to hold on to the positives about myself when dealing with the labels of psychology. I can relate to some of your DID symptoms. I do not have it as continually, but I think I may have a touch of it. Particularly during long periods of stress and those weeklong visits to my family. I do a lot of spiritual work and have used techniques and ways of looking at things from that when this happens for me. One is I am aware when my energy is out of sync with my body - this is when cold items get left on the counter, accidentally bumping into things, or in this worst case feeling disconnected from my body. When that happens, I deliberately command my " energy " to come back down into my body (most people's energy goes up and out in a state of fear or dissocation) and I focus hard on the bottom of my feet. Feeling them, their temp, the shoes the floor and this can help to reverse it. It can even be helpful to focus slightly below your actual feet. Since you are dealing with this all the time, my foot sole focusing thing may not work right away, but anything you do where you deliberately focus on your body, especially it's boundaries, where it touches your clothes, the furniture, helps to anchor you. I'm sure that psychologists have a whole raft of techniques beyond that and maybe one day I'll take the plunge myself and see what they say. Again I'm sorry you went through so much and I hope that this discovery leads to true healing and living a full life, in real time. Take care, > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Eek,thank you for the empathy and for wishing me the best.You certainly went through all kinds of hell with your abusive ex (and your nada previous to that) and I can in turn empathize with your situation as you work your way towards a brighter future for yourself and your son and I also wish you all the best.You got yourself and your child out of a terrible place and like you said,seeking wellness is the best sign of hope and that is what you are doing and that in itself is progress. Take care > > I am sorry to hear that you are going through that . I went through a lot as a kid and wondered how I managed not to develop DID. I am experiencing memory issues lately but I think that must be from the years of stress and sleep deprivation that an abusive relationship caused, I certainly don't feel dissociated but I do find the memory issues to be frustrating so I empathize with you. > > At least you have a good prognosis, that is a lot better than BPD. It is sad how so many children are left to deal with these obstacles after growing up in an abusive environment, I wish that people who had these disorders would somehow know that having kids was a bad idea but for some reason they seemed MORE likely to want children. exMIL (who is PD'd and raised 3 PD'd kids) said that kids are flattering. PD's seem to believe that a kid will fill their void, my PD'd ex forced me to get pregnant as a ploy to trap me in the relationship (using a child as a tactic rather than considering the care that a child requires.) Children are merely objects to them or an extension of themselves. PDex felt horrible about himself and he seemed to have been horribly abused as a child (there were indications of sexual abuse and extreme discipline) so he reinacted his horrible childhood onto our child. He insisted that a toddler understood " what he was doing " when he > knocked something off a table as he tried to steady himself while he learned to walk. My son has issues now too, I was too terrified of PDex and became brainwashed by him over the years (I felt like his kleenex, being used like one, and being told that nobody would believe me and I would lose my son, etc.) But I protected my son the best that I could and I eventually broke away. My son has come a long way this past year. I am worried about him but our T's have said how resilient he seems to be, as I seem to be as well, and that works in his favor. He does not seem to have the mental weaknesses that PDex has in spite of his struggles (PDex's entire family seems to have a mental weakness, making the abuse more affective in destroying them). > > My son is a daydreamer, as I was at his age, probably part of our way of dealing with the abuse but it does not seem to be a total dissociation. I do think that PDex had episodes of dissociation, he didn't respond at all, his eyes glazed over and it was very scary. PDex claims not to remember a lot of things that he did or said and for some reason, I believe him (he is a pathological liar but the way that he goes from Jekyll to Hyde, I would not be surprised that he cannot remember things.) I really do think that PDex is a combination of BPD/APD/DID. The DID being the least of the problem. I can only imagine the things that caused these issues in PDex and I felt SOOOOO sorry for him for a LONG time, he was not like this for no reason, his brother is even worse, but PDex says that he cannot recall any extreme abuse (I witnessed a lack of parenting skills in his parents when they offered to babysit my son, which I stopped accepting for that very reason, > there is a LONG history of abuse in that family that even exMIL admits to, there are symptoms of severe abuse in PDex including calling himself bad and shaking like he expects to be hit and having sexual issues and severe homophobia, the list is long.) I just wish that we could stop this cycle of abuse, it IS avoidable - these PD'd parents should NOT be permitted to be alone with ANY child. I even looked into getting a tubal ligation to prevent PDex from forcing me to get pregnant but as soon as he found out what I was trying to do, he became furious, yelled at me that I would be taking away HIS ability to reproduce, and he forced me to flush my birth control pills and proceeded to take immediate action of forcing a pregnancy (I hoped not to be fertile enough to get pregnany right away, I needed time to find an escape, but I had a positive pregnancy test within a month.) I was willing to permanently give up my ability to have kids in order to avoid > reproducing with PDex but his determination won out. I love my son to bits, he is exactly who I dreamed he would be (I knew I was carrying a son long before the doctors knew, I dreamed of him each night, he looks and act just as I dreamed and I don't believe in such things, I am a sceptic at heart.) > > This is a ranting and confusing email, I know, but I so much wanted to avoid having a child with PDex but he bullied me into it. I guess I am lucky that my son does not have his father's demeaner, I could have a BP kid on my hands too. , I wish you the best with your treatment. Just the fact that you are seeking wellness is a great sign of hope and a lot more than most BP's achieve. I, unfortunately, will probably be dealing with the consequences (to both my son and I) for many years but simply seeking wellness is probably the biggest sign of hope. > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: WTOAdultChildren1 > Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:28:12 AM > Subject: I've been diagnosed with a dissociative disorder > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway, the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understandi ng that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally, such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning. What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in > dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant. Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as > being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation. It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships, yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am > senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted. It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2009 Report Share Posted October 4, 2009 Annie,thank you so much for your support,understanding and encouragement.You really nailed it when you said (paraphrasing you) that the crux of my dissociation is not feeling safe and never having felt safe.I was NOT safe and I think that it was nada never wanting me in the first place and wanting me to die that did it--I think that without that dynamic " all " I'd have is ptsd.We are of course,all of us,never absolutely guaranteed a tomorrow but in the normal course of human brain functioning we are able to overlook that reality for the sake of simply living the lives we have in the moment--it does us no good to dwell on morbid thoughts and there is a good reason why our own mortality isn't constantly at the forefront of our minds--it would impair our functioning! Unfortunately my childhood had the constant threat of death hanging over me,in a real way.That is a very un-natural way to have to live year in and year out--and would be a catastrophic state of affairs to a brain that is still developing so it doesn't really surprise me that I had to use dissociation as a " tool " to preserve whatever healthy functioning I could.It came at a cost,but I suppose the alternative would have been becoming stark raving insane and I imagine that trying to undo THAT would be much more difficult (if not impossible without heavy meds?). Thank you also for mentioning that things like ptsd and dissociation are less " mental illness " than adaptive survival strategies.They are considered " pathological " when they endure well beyond the precipitating event yet at the same time they are responses that anyone would have if exposed to enough serious psychological outrage with no way to escape from it.I wanted to add that with the kind of dissociation I have (depersonalization and DDNOS), " reality testing " remains intact,as in,I am aware that my feelings of unreality or spaciness are just feelings and I don't translate them into me actually being not real or the rest of the world not being real or really " there " .That is a big source of the discomfort I feel because I know that it is abnormal and that most other people don't feel this way. Some of what you experience could very well be dissociation related given the serious abuse you suffered at the hands of your nada.My own dissociation interferes so much with how I feel (or can't feel) on a daily basis and I've spent so many years making do and putting up with it even though it has impoverished my quality of life for so long and I have just had it.I do have periods when it's very mild and tolerable and I think that finally I've managed to rid myself of it but stressful situations (like the one with my coworker and confronting my memories of nada having murderous intentions towards me) bring it back on full force.It isn't going to " just go away " ,I have realized,unless I undergo some treatment to learn how to employ other,better tools of functioning.I was not expecting this diagnosis yet it made sense and it makes too much sense for me to even want to deny it.It also gives me something to work with or from. It could actually take a while--possibly even years--for me to let go of reflexively dissociating but what the therapist said was that my prognosis is very good.I am willing to do the work,as daunting as it seems right now.I know where it came from and what caused it,which saves lots of time trying to figure that part out. I don't want to allow the past to continue to rob me of a future that is meaningful and fulflling to ME. Thanks so much again for your support and encouragment,I really do appreciate it very much. > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Thank you,MG for your kindness.I heartily second you on " May we all heal " ...all of us deserve to be the lovely people we were meant to be... Blessings to you as well, > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hi ...you didn't take the wrong tack at all,I really enjoyed reading your post and I thought it was very nice and reassuringly supportive. I agree with you that my diagnosis ( " Dissociative disorder not otherwise specified or DDNOS and " Depersonalization disorder " ) are just labels and that a label doesn't change who I was the day before I received this diagnosis.It just explained alot when I was able to take it in and yes it is validating in a way,sort of like a touchstone to reality,my reality,even though it is not a reality that I want to be permanent! I've tried to tell people close to me that I dissociate and it's never had much meaning to them because they don't--they have seemed to view it more as an excuse than a reason.When I have said point blank, " Don't take this personally,I'm feeling upset or overwhelmed or scared and I'm going blank/I'm dissociating and it's going to take me a while to come out of it " ,I have been told: " You don't have to say that,I can tell you're just not too into me right now...I can tell you don't want to be close to me right now....I can tell you just want to be alone... " like I'm making an excuse to avoid them instead of being honest,when that isn't the case at all.It's very frustrating.I've been waiting for someone to say " What can I do to help you come out of it " and it turns out,that someone is going to be a therapist. I stopped including " I don't feel safe right now,so that is why I'm going blank " because other people really tended to take that one personally: How can you say I don't make you feel safe/how can you say you feel unsafe with me,I didn't do anything/I'm not a dangerous person/But I care about you,how could you possibly feel unsafe with me? Etc. So,it's going to be a new and I hope better experience to have someone who knows what I mean when I say that. Thanks for the tips,it really touched me that you would think of those things.I hadn't thought of the fact of my vital energy exiting from me upwards under stress or that I could command it back down,I like that.I'm going to try it.I've been doing the concentrating on the feeling of my feet for years,like curling my toes towards the ground or flattening my feet to feel that they are on something solid when I start to feel spacey.I've also learned to pick one thing in a room to focus on until I feel more grounded or to pick something up and hold it tightly,feeling its solidity in my hand so I'll continue to feel somewhat present in my body. Something we're going to do in therapy that is probably going to take me some time to master is learning how to identify the precursors to my various dissociations: what exactly happens in my body/mind just before so that I can then recognize that it's going to happen enough for me to acknowledge it,take command of it,and redirect it with either some grounding technique or some assertive means of protecting myself or confidently assuming control of my own ability to ensure my own safety whether that is emotional or physical.I am able to do this when the stressor is mild to moderate but not when it's severe--and severe is almost always when the stessor is some trigger to something that traumatized me.Which unfortunately is alot of stuff.So we're going to have to also work on me working through those feelings and learning how to remind myself that I am now safe in the majority of the situations I'm going to encounter today and how I can develop a consciousness of the fact that I can now act on my own behalf without dissociating because I fear some punishment for basically believe it or not merely being present--a fear that applied in my childhood when I was being abused but isn't likely to happen now.Ironically,it's often when I do dissociate that I am met with that dreaded " punishment " in the form of other peoples' misunderstanding or judgemental attitude,so obviously it isn't " working " as a solution. As for work,I took a personal day for tomorrow because as much as I am cautiously optimistic about setting to work on these issues,I also feel tremendous grief right now.What happened to me,was done to me,feels more achingly real right now than it ever did.My girlfriend (with whom I don't live) is not quite on board with the fact (as I see it) that what I am about to attempt is going to be the hardest thing I've ever done.She doesn't quite get it,that after everything I went through,that now I would ask myself if I'm going to be able to manage it.I mean,I think that I will and I WANT to,but I refuse to kid myself that it's going to be easy or that there is going to be a quick fix here.Her take is: " But you've overcome so much and you are a survivor,look at all you've managed to achieve " when what I really honestly need right now is to address my weaknesses and what is not working in my functioning,not in the sense of being negative and full of doom and gloom,but just in the sense of being realistic and of coming to grips with what I need to change about me.Focusing on what I have managed to do in spite of it all has not stopped the feelings of not being truly present in my own life or truly in command of it for me and even if I ruled the world or something I know that I'd still feel just as spaced out and just as prone to " blanking out " in a way that I can't control right now or prevent; I'd still be floating my way through my own life and my own life would still not feel quite like it really IS my life.And I am tired,so tired,of constantly flashing back to the past.That is what happens every single time I dissociate: it reminds me of why I am doing that.My girlfriend and I are stuck in a sort of rut of my " survivorship " ,something I also bear some responsibility for since I have also wanted it to be " enough " and now that I am accepting that it isn't enough to heal me,that there is further serious work to be done to help me to genuinely heal, she is not apprehending that I have really only just begun to heal.I hope that she will come to understand this in time.I know that it's no picnic to be involved in a relationship with someone like me who always,it seems,has something more to deal with.She thinks that I have managed rather well living with my dissociation but that is because I can fake being more present than I really feel or because I don't always admit when I am dissociating for fear of being a broken record.I have done this because I really didn't know what else to do,not because I wanted to deceive her or anyone else.But it amounts only to an illusion of wholeness and I just can't stand it anymore. And work...where I am in my job right now has everything to do with me and me knowing that I simply can't handle more resposibility right now--and nothing whatsoever do with the proverbial " glass ceiling " .I was offered a promotion.I turned it down.My boss,another woman,wants me to go further.She has said herself that she " believes " in me,but she has no idea how much I've had to struggle to achieve the level of competence I now have nor how much I have to struggle to maintain it nor how much it is a battle for me to simply be on time or to do my job--things that should be basic to me by now but are not.I appear to be fine; to be the kind of employee she'd like to promote.She was mystified and disappointed when I turned down the promotion--it made no sense to her because anyone else in my position would have gladly jumped at the chance.Of course I can't tell her or anyone else at work what it is that I'm truly struggling with.Instead,I come off as one of those women who is afraid of success when really it's more that I know my limits and believe me,it both hurts badly to know that without these symptoms I could rise to the top and to know that because there is no way to be totally upfront and honest about what I'm dealing with to my boss or my coworkers that the only thing to do is to allow them to believe whatever they're going to believe.I totally understand that my apparent stubborn refusal to take on the higher position that was offered to me seems strange.I am where I am now because of an earlier promotion that I did accept and once I got there I was horrified to discover that I was dissociating even more than before and I had to FIGHT to function around it.It took me months to get it into some region of managable and I don't want to go through that again,it was purely hellish.I want to reserve what battle strength I have for addressing the dissociation itself because I cannot live the rest of my life in this dread of it and allowing it to hold me back.In many ways,it rules my life and it is limiting my horizons. That is the sober reality that I am digesting right now.I want this to be a turning point--to take that hurt little girl who was brutalized by her parents' mental illness by the hand and to walk with her into the sunrise. Thanks for listening and thank you for your support.It means alot to me that you are so nice and encouraging.I appreciate it VERY much. > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 - Thanks so much for this big post. Your description of what it feels like to disassociate was so clear, it really helped me to understand much better. I've had a few episodes sort of like that, but nothing like what you're experiencing. I know that you will come through this. You're very self aware, and you have the intelligence and drive to work on this until you get it " fixed. " > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 It just occurred to me to share this because I've been toying with the idea of doing it myself, and as I was thinking about it, it made me wonder if it could help both with " grounding " oneself in the here and now and make one feel safer at the same time: taking classes in the martial arts. Both Sister and her son have taken various kinds of martial arts classes for years and years; Nephew has a black belt in Tai Kwon Do, and Sister has, I think, an orange belt. I feel sorry for anybody who tries to mess with either of them! Its something to think about, anyway. Me, I'd need to lose quite a bit of weight first, otherwise I think I'd really hurt (and embarrass) myself during the parts where you have to learn to fall down properly (and get back up again in a timely manner). But I thought I'd toss that idea in the hat; it seems to me to offer the idea of becoming a powerful adult person and calm centeredness as well as physical fitness. -Annie > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hi , Regarding the promotion, people turn down/don't want promotions all the time. They have many different reasons for doing so, and although someone at the top (who is obviously into being promoted) doesn't understand, many other people do, they just don't voice it, so it's not so unusual, and it's nobody's business but yours. As far as your girlfriend saying " you've been through so much already " that is true. You went through so much *using a crutch*. Now, your job with your therapist's help, is to stop using the crutch. Maybe if you explained it to her that way, it would make more sense? Best of luck to you on your journey. -Deanna > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Annie - you sound like a perfect candidate for tai chi - you won't be able to break a board with your hands, but it does seem to be calming and helpful to flexibility. - > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Thanks! I'll check out tai chi, see what that's like. -Annie > > > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hi Deanna,thank you for the advice.I hadn't thought of desribing it as a " crutch " ,that might help to make it more understandable in terms of why I need to learn how to cope without it.I'll try that. I hear what you're saying about promotions in general and I agree with you that it should be nobody's business but mine.I need to establish better boundaries for both myself and in how I respond to others--this is of course something I intend to address in therapy.The subject of the turned down promotion came up with some coworkers when our boss brought in an outside director and they wondered aloud why in the world she hadn't just offered the position to me.Instead of keeping my mouth shut,which in retrospect is what I should have done,I told them that she had offered it to me but that I had turned it down.At the exact moment when I said that,I was starting to " space out " and so I spoke in an attempt to remain present--this is a very good example of how the dissociation prevents me from thinking twice before acting or speaking sometimes.If I had felt present and calm,I would not have blurted that out. My coworkers then said that they wished I had accepted it,that they would be " thrilled " to have me be the one in charge.And that was nice,that was a shot in the arm,it made me feel good yet it made me feel as if I had somehow " lost control " of the situation and reminded me of why I know that I'm not actually up to handling the promotion.I wasn't consciously seeking reassurance from them,I was only trying to ward off the discomfort of " going blank " .I want to learn how to not do that in the first place so I am not sending out mixed messages,I don't know what else to call it but to me that seems to be the result. The other thing is that for reasons I don't understand aside from my job performance,I am something of the boss' " darling " .She has a reputation for being short tempered at times with people to the point of even yelling or being extremely critical.When she is not happy with someone's performance she makes it very clear and she doesn't want to hear excuses or explanations.She often speaks to people in a " giving orders " kind of way.But she never does this to me.She is always very respectful to me and when something has gone wrong in our department she has deferred to me to fix it,a couple of times in front of my coworkers who were amazed because in any other circumstance she would have blown a gasket and has humiliated other people on front of their peers,but with me she is all smiles.One day some papers slipped off of a desk when we were speaking--usually if something like that happens the coworker rushes to pick it up or whatever,catering to her...but before I had a chance to get the papers,she bowed down to get them,practically bowing at my feet and carefully arranged them back on the desk.Other people saw this and somebody later commented that I am " X's favorite. " THAT time I did keep my mouth shut.It has caused some resentment of me,nothing major,but it is widely assumed that I am in line to become the VP.I have not said anything specifically about that either but it's true: my boss does want me to move up which is why turning down that promotion made no sense to her.She has put some effort into me. And I DO want to become VP,and even go further than that,but I just can't when I don't feel in control of ME and consequently in control of my work life.I feel like I am letting myself and other people down. Sorry for the long post again but it helps to write it out. > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Hi , Wow. I hesitate to say anything like " right on " but to just go to therapy and to get a diagnosis and do that...so that you can start the process of healing is really amazing A toast to you and your journey. I too went to therapy with the " just tell me what's wrong with me so I can fix it " in absolute terror that my therapist would tell me I have BPD. I remember when he gave me my Coda diagnosis. I was like practically screaming at him...Just tell me what's wrong with me so we can fix it...I dont care what it is JUST. TELL. ME. In any event, while that wasn't my greatest moment its been mostly uphill from here. I think I know what you are talking about with dissociation. Its like every now and then the world just goes kinda mute on me...or grey...or like those Claritin commercials...before they pull the mask off and everything on the screen is just brighter only Im stuck in fuzzy world. I dont know about you...and I dont even know if this is dissociation, but even sound feels sorta like Im in a tunnel...or talking through a tin can. Usually...after I have one of these experiences I go take a bath or meditate or go for a run...I always feel " with myself " when Im running. Breath in...breath out...dont over pronate...foot stiking ground...I feel the earth and the earth feels me...swing arms...keep posture...Oh I feel my lungs now. Something like that. Anyway...congratulations on this huge major step toward recovery XOXO Jen > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Thank you,Jen That's how I felt,too, " let's just be honest here about what I'm dealing with so I can address it " .What is Coda? I don't know that term. Feeling like you're in a tunnel or like you're speaking through a tin can is dissociation but it would be considered mild if it only happens every now and then and it sounds like you've found good,healthy ways to snap yourself out of it.Mine is pretty much constant and I can't stand living like this anymore,thus the need for therapy! Thank you so much for your words of support. > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Coda= shorthand for Co-dependent. Im working on it... I'm glad you're doing what you need to do for yourself in getting help and reaching out here. You're worth it > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 ,I'm glad my description made sense and that you got something out of it.It's actually pretty hard to describe something that happens so much that I take some aspects of it for granted in a way,but I guess the major part of it is feeling like I am at a remove--and at times several removes-- from life and my own existence and having that strange " floating " feeling.Anyone who has been in an accident or has had some life threatening trauma experiences this at the moment of the event but for me it kind of never quite stops. And I thank you sincerely for your encouragement,I want very much to come through this. > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Annie,I've long toyed with the idea of taking up some form of martial arts,too,that's something I always have in mind to take up but haven't " gotten around " to it and for the reasons you mentioned. I've also wanted to do t'ai chi,as suggested,because it's a gentler method of grounding oneself in the moment and has no combative element.I'm a bit concerned right now that I'm not ready to handle anything that suggests fending off another person,but t'ai chi could be very helpful.If I remember correctly,what t'ai chi is supposed to do is to train you to direct the flow of your vital energy,chi,and to harmonize it with your being.Chi is also a universal vital energy that flows through us from the universe and when our own personal flow of chi is blocked,we feel unwell or uneasy--basically not fully in balance with ourselves.People usually do t'ai chi in a group out in nature,like in a park. Sounds peaceful! Thanks again, > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Ah! Thanks Group-sibs for describing tai chi! Interesting; it sounds very gentle and meditative, and do-able at my current level of non-fitness. But I'm so full of anger, though, that the idea of learning how to throw people to the floor and break boards with my hands is very appealing to me now. Grrrr! Have to lose weight first, though. Thanks, -Annie > > > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Hi , I'm definitely rooting for you and hope that this is the beginning of great and good changes for you. I hope your girlfriend can come to some understanding of where you are at in time. You sound like you are more forgiving than I am, I have a very hard time still feeling loved when someone misunderstands or judges. Yet many " normal " people can't help but do exactly that because they have no frame of reference for psychological torture. Would that no one understood that. I'm glad you liked my tips though it sounds like you already have worked out your own system which sounds great too. This is related but dissimilar but I've often induced dissociation - at least in feeling separate from the body - in meditation. The best techinique I forgot to mention was to imagine you are putting your body " on " , where you (your energy) acts like your hand going into a glove(your body) or like putting your leg into a boot. I like your and Annie's discussion about safety though - that's what matters most and hope you can get that solid ground back. take care, > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 - It sounds as if the boss has been grooming you for promotion - this is a very good thing. It means she sees your potential. Is there a way you can " practice " the job you'd be doing if you eventually take a promotion? When the new director goes on vacation, for instance, maybe you can fill in. When there are executive-level projects going on (hiring/firing, strategy, etc.) maybe you can be the " number 2 " on those projects. Then, next time the gold ring comes around, you might have more self confidence. And of course, the therapy is going to help you so you're not so worried about disassociating in a crisis. It will all happen when it's supposed to, right? - > > > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Annie - you've probably seen people doing tai chi on TV (there's one arthritis pill commercial I remember, among others). It's really quite beautiful to watch, especially when there's a group. In Asia, very elderly people do it - it's definitely low-impact, so it's a good place to start if you haven't been active. The movements are a slow, graceful version of some " active " martial arts moves, so I guess you could probably graduate to the stuff your other family members are doing. You can find classes at the Y, and in many other places. In the mean time, walk softly and carry a big stick - and if anybody messes with you, whack 'em upside the head with it. - > > > > > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 , I don't know a lot about the DID, but have read a little. I have thought that I might have it. Do you have any references that I could read; any definitions or therapy approaches that have been recommended? On a positive note, just remember what you said, " Dissociation...is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event. " And i would add, a normal response to a traumatic event...IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. It was your psychie's way of surviving the trauma. So try and be kind to yourself while discovering more about this. The part i relate to happpens periodically throughout the day. For most of my life i just thought it was my normal moods, but now i'm becoming more " aware " that these episodes might be flashbacks, or even altered states. For me they can last for days or minutes or hours. I'm still not sure if they are totally different states, but when i snap out of the depression or anxiety states, I feel myself looking back at it and thinking, what came over me? Why was i so anxious, scared, and helpless. It does feel a little like what you're describing, but maybe not as severe. It's hard to pinpoint, and that's why it would be interesting to get a diagnosis and see if the treatment applies. I would be happy to dialogue with you about it. I'm sorry i can't tell you more, but 3 years ago i remember picking up a book on it in the book store. I'm not sure of the exact title, something like Dealing with DID, or something like that. When I'm in the bookstore next, I'll do a search on it and let you know. Does your Therapist know the treatment approach; what you're supposed to do? Good luck, and realize that someone is here to talk about it. Mark P.S. I'm kind of new here and have only posted a few times, but I haven't been able to find my original post, or find out if anyone else commented. Maybe I have to write down the day of the post or something. > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Thanks alot,... " Would that no one understood that " (psychological torture)...yes!...what a different world this would be...I have a hard time still feeling loved when someone misunderstands or judges what for me is how I happen to feel (even though I know why they don't get it).It makes me feel unsafe all over again and/or existentially alone which is a really nasty feeling.There is the " intact " who is essentially a sunny,friendly person who is self confident and philosophical--and then there are all these fragmented,damaged " ego states " in me that have traumatized reactions or that experience all the yucky feelings the intact me never integrated.When these " ego states " come out I know that it really jars with how I was a moment before and since the person I'm with doesn't have a similar experience,they fill in that gap with their own reaction or perspective...and THAT is very frustrating because the twain just is not meeting...it hurts to know that the people close to me can't replace or replicate what nada should have been,a real mother...a real parent...and to know that I just can't expect them to,that time has been and gone. I actually am more disturbed by some things I've read by certain therapists,like one whose name I forget because it wasn't worth remembering,who said speaking of overcoming trauma, " The survivor of truama needs to come to a point in their grieving for the lost parent of maintaining a magnanimity regarding the trauma itself: to accept the permananent state of grief with magnanimity. " WHAT!!??? I thought when I read that,hey you jerk,let's see how effing " magnanimous " you'd be feeling for the rest of your life if it was YOU. We are our own best guides through this,I think. > > > > > > > > I've posted fairly recently about some intense issues I'm dealing with (or trying to) in regards to being " raised " by a BPD/probably co-morbid psychopathic nada and that I had decided to attempt therapy after a delay of some 16 years if I could find a therapist I thought I could work with. > > > > > > > > I did find someone and based on symptoms I was reporting (I'm at the point where I just want to know what is up with me as a consequence of my childhood,even though I was entertaining scary thoughts of being told that I also have BPD even though I have no rages or black/white thinking and I don't routinely project my feelings onto others,still I guess there's always this fear of being " blamed " by being told I'm the same as nada somehow)--anyway,the therapist I chose decided to conduct a long interview session ( an inventory that was developed to test for this) to see how I scored on the scale of dissociative disorders. > > > > > > > > The result is that I score for " severe depersonalization disorder " and am in the high range for a score of " dissociative identity disorder " formerly known as " multiple personality disorder " .Most people who score in the range I did actually have DID but my diagnosis is for " Dissociative Disorder Not Otherwise Specified " because I don't have full blown alters ie split off personalities who assume executive control of my functioning at times. > > > > > > > > I also have Complex PTSD,which often co-occurs with a dissociative disorder. > > > > > > > > I apologize if this post is a bit rambling or not very concise.I last saw my therapist earlier in the week when we discussed what this diagnosis is going to mean and what we're going to do and I've been crying off and on ever since...understanding that the damage is real and the abuse is real; nada did this to me. > > > > > > > > I've been doing some reading on the subject and have learned that unlike BPD,a dissociative disorder has NO genetic basis.You can only " get " DID or DDNOS from repeated,prolonged trauma in childhood.Nobody is genetically predisposed to dissociate due to perceived stress (like in BPD)--our brains are wired to dissociate only when we encounter actual life threatening incidents,such as actual disasters like car accidents or when we are subjected to trauma that threatens our sense of psychological integrity,such as sexual assault.Normally,such a traumatic incident is a one-off event and we recover from the dissociation and return to our regular functioning although we may continue to have symptoms of PTSD if we are unable to process the trauma,like flashbacks or nightmares. > > > > > > > > Dissociation (going outside of yourself/leaving your body/feeling unreal/feeling numb/losing time) is a normal adaptive response to a traumatic event,but when the trauma is repetitive and ongoing and happens when no flight or fight response is possible and happens when you're a child whose brain is still developing,it becomes a reflexive response to anything that triggers memories or associations with the repeated traumas.A one-off dissociation doesn't become an automatic reflex,but when the developing brain is subjected to repeated trauma from which there is no escape,dissociating becomes habitual and assumes part of the brain's functioning.What was intended by nature to be an adaptive response becomes maladaptive because the individual no longer has conscious control over it-- but this can only occur when the trauma is repetitive enough and overwhelming enough that the response of dissociation must be employed over and over again resulting in dissociation becoming a reflex. > > > > > > > > In other words,99% of people who have DID were repetitively abused as children.They were NOT born that way! The other 1% have rare,severe brain injuries from an accident.And they weren't born that way,either. > > > > > > > > Someone who presents with this kind of severe dissociation is someone who has been badly,repeatedly abused.There is no genetic cause for it,aside from perhaps having parents who are genetically Cluster B or psychotic. > > > > > > > > Personally,I don't lose huge chunks of time or find myself in some place I don't remember going to,although at some points in my childhood I did.My dissociation is a kind of constant low grade where I feel like I can't quite catch up with time or can't be quite present in the moment.I often feel spacey or like I'm floating.I often feel at a remove from myself or from events that are happening around me,like I am not in sync with what is going on or with how I think or feel.Life often seems dreamlike to me,like an echo of how I felt every time I was traumatized as a child that never goes away: life never comes into full relief for me like it's real and happening now; it seems more like a supposition of existence,something that may or may not be really happening.I have the sense of drifting and of being more of an observer of my own life than a participant.Time has little meaning for me and I have to force myself to adhere to a clock schedule,such as being on time for something like work.I feel like I'm in a trance and have to always do the same thing every morning like shower at seven,be dressed when the clock says eight,leave the house when the clock says eight fifteen or else I drift and will not be on time.It's especially bad in the morning when I get up. > > > > > > > > I generally just don't feel embodied.I feel more like a ghost.I have this odd sense that life is passing me by and I can't catch up.I don't feel like I am enough to BE in my own life,like I am not really there in it.It's like I am not quite alive. > > > > > > > > I lose little bits of time here and there when I am triggered by something and go completely blank.It's like I'm just not there anymore.This is misinterpreted by others as indifference rather than a moment of complete dissociation.It usually happens in some affective context and has caused me alot of grief in close relationships,yet when I have openly said that I was dissociating I've rarely been understood.I misplace items alot and have to keep important documents in the same drawer of my filing cabinet or I will never find them.Many times I've reached for my toothbrush in the morning only to find it's gone and it's in some weird place like the medicine cabinet or the window sill and I have no memory of putting it there or I go to get milk for my cereal at breakfast and it's not in the fridge but on the counter where it's been since the morning before and I hadn't even noticed...this happens so often and it scares me and frustrates me.It's like I am senile.I have to keep my keys in the front door lock or I will lose them. > > > > > > > > At work I have to constantly remind myself of what I need to do and if I get distracted by some unforeseen task I nearly panic quietly and internally trying to remember where I was before I got interrupted.It's embarassing to have to keep constant notes to remind me of what I need to do even though it's basic stuff so I hide them in a drawer or keep them in my pocket.I know that I'm not a stupid person but it makes me feel stupid to have to remind myself of these basic things.I have to constantly force myself to focus on tasks because I am always floating and nothing seems quite real. > > > > > > > > The worst part is feeling like I have to struggle to grasp my own emotions,like I can't quite experience them.I am dissociated from my emotions--they are not in tune with my thoughts.I can think " I have a reason to be sad " without being able to actually feel sad. > > > > > > > > I don't feel present,most of the time,in my own body.My own thought process seems more like an observer observing than of me thinking about me.It's like there's this second hand person that I can't integrate into myself.I know that it's still me,it just doesn't FEEL like me. > > > > > > > > Anyway.I feel overwhelmed by all of this and sobered by the prospect of addressing these problems in therapy.I'm going to do it and I was told my prognosis is very good.It's hard getting started,hopefully once I do I will feel better. > > > > > > > > I feel like this was a very self indulgent post.I would not wish these feelings on anyone but if any of you can relate to any of this,I'd appreciate your thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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