Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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I had to stop chelating. I tried different doses and each time my son had huge outbursts, which he never had in the past. He's very sweet, mellow, hypo type

It seems to be too risky, even following the AC protocol. I was doing every three hours during the day and four hours at night. Never missed a dose or went past the time. My DAN told me to stop for two weekends, observe behavior and restart but only with DMSA this time. We'll see, but it's scary to see your child go crazy into outbursts. I guess chelation is not for everyone either, or at least not these chelators (DMSA and ALA combined)

Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >

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Karla...My son was the same way when I first began chelating him. He would almost react like someone who was going through severe depression. I began using 1/3 capsule of Adrenal Success (Soloray) with 1/2 capsule of Adrenal Cortex in the a.m. & at 3:00. He was a brand new boy, cheerful, bubbly, happy. I could not believe it! I know it broke your heart to see your baby this way as did mine, but that did the trick. Don't know if you tried it or not, but just a thought.ValenciaSent from my iPhone

I had to stop chelating. I tried different doses and each time my son had huge outbursts, which he never had in the past. He's very sweet, mellow, hypo type

It seems to be too risky, even following the AC protocol. I was doing every three hours during the day and four hours at night. Never missed a dose or went past the time. My DAN told me to stop for two weekends, observe behavior and restart but only with DMSA this time. We'll see, but it's scary to see your child go crazy into outbursts. I guess chelation is not for everyone either, or at least not these chelators (DMSA and ALA combined)

From: S <iferstevens>Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >

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From: S

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The rule is if you miss a dose by more than an hour, you stop the round. You need to give Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night, so Ala at 4.5 hours during the day is not recommended.

Some kids get more yeast with Ala, more get more yeast with Dmsa. You do need a good yeast protocol e.g. GSE, lots of probiotics, high dose biotin, etc, etc.

We've had a few kids who have experienced the numbness (peripheral neuropathy is the medical term) on rounds. The recommendation is to reduce the dose of Ala, I had an adult chelator tell me she increased fish oil and this was helpful.

(who used to be on this list but was one of the many who left because it was being overrun by one person) has a son who also experienced this numbness in his feet during early rounds. She backed way off the dosage and it went away. She's very helpful, you might try and find her email address (I think I have it) and email her and I'm sure she would talk with you about it.

There is no need to do any labwork, this is a process that occurs sometimes with chelation when the metals start to mobilize. Reduce the dose. The dose you are looking for is one that causes improvements but doesn't create huge side effects.

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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===>And we have a parent on our group that used IV GSH and her son regressed terribly. That was over 6 months ago and he's still not back to baseline. Was given MB12 and the IV GSH, that's it. I just found a great post where Andy talks about how glutathione is useless to help excrete mercury except when given at the exact time of exposure to the toxin, it's detailed but let me know if you'd like to read it. When an intervention results in disaster for some, Cutler will not recommend it. That doesn't mean some wouldn't benefit, but to recommend it for all would be a different matter.

http://store.autism.com/--penumbra

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For me it was the same, until i controlled yeast. My son had huge outbursts even at 5 mg even though his weight is almost 70. Now I am at round 40 and I still have to control yeast thru diet (no carbs), Nystatin, GSE, Biotin, Candidase and sometimes Ketakonozoe if needed.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 1:36:40 AMSubject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

I had to stop chelating. I tried different doses and each time my son had huge outbursts, which he never had in the past. He's very sweet, mellow, hypo type

It seems to be too risky, even following the AC protocol. I was doing every three hours during the day and four hours at night. Never missed a dose or went past the time. My DAN told me to stop for two weekends, observe behavior and restart but only with DMSA this time. We'll see, but it's scary to see your child go crazy into outbursts. I guess chelation is not for everyone either, or at least not these chelators (DMSA and ALA combined)

From: S <iferstevens@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >>

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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Thank you Valencia. I'll mention it to my DAN!

I had to stop chelating. I tried different doses and each time my son had huge outbursts, which he never had in the past. He's very sweet, mellow, hypo type

It seems to be too risky, even following the AC protocol. I was doing every three hours during the day and four hours at night. Never missed a dose or went past the time. My DAN told me to stop for two weekends, observe behavior and restart but only with DMSA this time. We'll see, but it's scary to see your child go crazy into outbursts. I guess chelation is not for everyone either, or at least not these chelators (DMSA and ALA combined)

From: S <iferstevens>Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >>

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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Thanks . Where can I order the Adrenal extract? Also, what literature are you referring to? Sorry, I read so much literature that I'm not sure which one

Karla

Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:07 AM



Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >>

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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that is true, with certain genetic mutations you need to avoid sulfer chelators which DMSA would be one of them. you can do that testing through yaskos site to find out if your child is one of those

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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i would actually pull labs, if you have metals floating casuing the issues this may be a great time to get blood SHOWING metals so you can get it covered by insurence.....and you would hate to find out there were liver issues ect that may be bound up ect and ignore it. so I would pull a CBC, liver, and probley look at kidney as well

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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From: S

,

The rule is if you miss a dose by more than an hour, you stop the round. You need to give Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night, so Ala at 4.5 hours during the day is not recommended.

Some kids get more yeast with Ala, more get more yeast with Dmsa. You do need a good yeast protocol e.g. GSE, lots of probiotics, high dose biotin, etc, etc.

We've had a few kids who have experienced the numbness (peripheral neuropathy is the medical term) on rounds. The recommendation is to reduce the dose of Ala, I had an adult chelator tell me she increased fish oil and this was helpful.

(who used to be on this list but was one of the many who left because it was being overrun by one person) has a son who also experienced this numbness in his feet during early rounds. She backed way off the dosage and it went away. She's very helpful, you might try and find her email address (I think I have it) and email her and I'm sure she would talk with you about it.

There is no need to do any labwork, this is a process that occurs sometimes with chelation when the metals start to mobilize. Reduce the dose. The dose you are looking for is one that causes improvements but doesn't create huge side effects.

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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But how do you know what to give at different points of chelating? Is your DAN telling you? My DAN just said to take a two week break. Is it time to switch DAN? I've been with this one just recently, Oct 2009.

I don't want to try different things because I'm afraid to give too much and make matters worse.

Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 7:10 AM

For me it was the same, until i controlled yeast. My son had huge outbursts even at 5 mg even though his weight is almost 70. Now I am at round 40 and I still have to control yeast thru diet (no carbs), Nystatin, GSE, Biotin, Candidase and sometimes Ketakonozoe if needed.

From: Karla Fine <karla_fine@sbcgloba l.net>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, February 24, 2010 1:36:40 AMSubject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

I had to stop chelating. I tried different doses and each time my son had huge outbursts, which he never had in the past. He's very sweet, mellow, hypo type

It seems to be too risky, even following the AC protocol. I was doing every three hours during the day and four hours at night. Never missed a dose or went past the time. My DAN told me to stop for two weekends, observe behavior and restart but only with DMSA this time. We'll see, but it's scary to see your child go crazy into outbursts. I guess chelation is not for everyone either, or at least not these chelators (DMSA and ALA combined)

From: S <iferstevens@ yahoo.com>Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >>

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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this is where you DO want a good DAN dr. they can and should be running tests occationally to see what you are dumping, how the liver and kidneys and body is doing in general with chelation. you want to get metals out with out OVER stressing the body. you want to reminieralize as well with chelation. (depending on how you are doing it) chelation will pull minierals as well as metals. there are different views on if this should be done durring or after rounds are done. but yes your DAN's should be helping you in this, as well as, as a parent I would be asking those questions on boards as well as other parents doing similar programing to what you are doing. say how it's going with you, what you are doing, what problems and snags you feel like you are running into. chances are that someone else has also been there and can tell you how they solved that problem or what they had to do....that is the beauty of these boards. even with all our differences, there are still similarities as well, and we can share in those things to help our kids!

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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> The rule is if you miss a dose by more than an hour, you stop the round. You

need to give Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night, so Ala at 4.5

hours during the day is not recommended.

And wait three days before doing another round? Is this the time to give a

heavy dose of selenium to bind with the Mg that would be left hanging around

from the last round?

>

> Some kids get more yeast with Ala, more get more yeast with Dmsa. You do

need a good yeast protocol e.g. GSE, lots of probiotics, high dose biotin, etc,

etc.

Yes, I am the queen of yeast/bacteria protocols. They were the way we got our

biggest improvements in the past. The trouble is, with the three hour dosing,

when do you mop up the byproducts of dead yeast/viruses (activated charcoal,

pectin, or AKG) without absorbing the chelator? Perhaps this is why some of our

kids struggle with chelation. Yeast increases, and killing yeast while

chelating is a lot for the body to do at once. So many conflicting supplements,

and your on such a tight schedule to get them in before the body lets go of the

toxins. It would help if the liver and kidneys functioned better.

>

> We've had a few kids who have experienced the numbness (peripheral

neuropathy is the medical term) on rounds. The recommendation is to reduce the

dose of Ala, I had an adult chelator tell me she increased fish oil and this was

helpful.

Thanks, mentioned this too. The numbness really frightens my son. He

doesn't want to go to school when this happens.

I know that ALA lowers blood sugar levels. My father was diabetic, and lost his

legs to it. Peripheral neuropathy is the first sign that your blood isn't

ciculating to your extremities. Could the peripheral neuropathy signify trouble

with his blood sugar level? If so, how would I better regulate his blood sugar

while giving him ALA?

>

Reduce the dose. The dose you are looking for is one that causes improvements

but doesn't create huge side effects.

We are at 12mg ALA and he is 100ibs. It seems low, but he still had numbness

last time. I will try the fish oil. We are not using DMSA now. Would adding it

help or be too much? DMSA alone was not a problem for him years ago. When we

added the ALA, he took a dive.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Jen

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> How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What

if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?

>

> I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years

ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but

when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language.

He has since come back from all that.

>

> This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not

arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that

burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he

had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking,

but scared him.

>

> We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because

he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only

opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to

drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to

take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we

were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our

awesome snow week off.

>

> It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like

Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with

the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.

> Thanks for listening,

> Jen

> PS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of

a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated

years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just

can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork

was expensive.

>

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> > > > ----- Original Message -----

> > > > From: Christel King

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> > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain

> > > >

> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a

frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours

during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl,

completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers,

except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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From: S

> ,> > The rule is if you miss a dose by more than an hour, you stop the round. You need to give Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night, so Ala at 4.5 hours during the day is not recommended.And wait three days before doing another round? Is this the time to give a heavy dose of selenium to bind with the Mg that would be left hanging around from the last round?

====>If a round gets interrupted by missing the dose, you wait for the next appointed round. You don't need to give selenium, it won't hurt, but there is no special way it helps other than everyone needs it.

> > Some kids get more yeast with Ala, more get more yeast with Dmsa. You do need a good yeast protocol e.g. GSE, lots of probiotics, high dose biotin, etc, etc.Yes, I am the queen of yeast/bacteria protocols. They were the way we got our biggest improvements in the past. The trouble is, with the three hour dosing, when do you mop up the byproducts of dead yeast/viruses (activated charcoal, pectin, or AKG) without absorbing the chelator? Perhaps this is why some of our kids struggle with chelation. Yeast increases, and killing yeast while chelating is a lot for the body to do at once. So many conflicting supplements, and your on such a tight schedule to get them in before the body lets go of the toxins. It would help if the liver and kidneys functioned better. >

===>There's no problem with using AKG on round, I wouldn't use charcoal as it absorbs everything and you don't want it absorbing the chelators. The best way I've found is to give probiotics with chelators with the night doses. The stomach is nice and empty then and that is when probiotics are most effective. Others use GSE or Wild OoO, both of which are very, very helpful as is high dose Biotin (5-10 mgs per meal), watch for constipation, a few get it, just give more magnesium.

> We've had a few kids who have experienced the numbness (peripheral neuropathy is the medical term) on rounds. The recommendation is to reduce the dose of Ala, I had an adult chelator tell me she increased fish oil and this was helpful.Thanks, mentioned this too. The numbness really frightens my son. He doesn't want to go to school when this happens. I know that ALA lowers blood sugar levels. My father was diabetic, and lost his legs to it. Peripheral neuropathy is the first sign that your blood isn't ciculating to your extremities. Could the peripheral neuropathy signify trouble with his blood sugar level? If so, how would I better regulate his blood sugar while giving him ALA?>

===>It could, we had hypogylcemia here and did not have trouble with that, but I think had a credible idea here. Chromium 100-200 mCgs per meal is very helpful in regulating blood sugar levels.

Reduce the dose. The dose you are looking for is one that causes improvements but doesn't create huge side effects. We are at 12mg ALA and he is 100ibs. It seems low, but he still had numbness last time. I will try the fish oil. We are not using DMSA now. Would adding it help or be too much? DMSA alone was not a problem for him years ago. When we added the ALA, he took a dive. Thanks for the suggestions.

===>Dmsa does effectively control the side effects of Ala, so you might try it. Ala is more problematic for the older kids and adults than it is for the little ones usually, meaning the older kids and adults appear more sensitive to it. Even low doses of 5-10 mgs will effectively remove mercury from the cns/brain. The Cutler protocol is not as much about the doses as it is the frequency, keeping a steady level of chelators in the bloodstream to make sure there are plenty of chelators available to pick up and escort the metals out of the body.

Jen> > > > > > > ,> How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?> > I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. > > This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. > > We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. > > It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.> Thanks for listening,> Jen> PS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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jennifer I would worry that metals are moving around to much and are messing with brain spine stuff in the head with the numbness.....that would scare me to! i had hypoglycemia for years, things would tingel when I would go to pass out and it was low but never numb

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

> ,> > The rule is if you miss a dose by more than an hour, you stop the round. You need to give Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night, so Ala at 4.5 hours during the day is not recommended.And wait three days before doing another round? Is this the time to give a heavy dose of selenium to bind with the Mg that would be left hanging around from the last round?> > Some kids get more yeast with Ala, more get more yeast with Dmsa. You do need a good yeast protocol e.g. GSE, lots of probiotics, high dose biotin, etc, etc.Yes, I am the queen of yeast/bacteria protocols. They were the way we got our biggest improvements in the past. The trouble is, with the three hour dosing, when do you mop up the byproducts of dead yeast/viruses (activated charcoal, pectin, or AKG) without absorbing the chelator? Perhaps this is why some of our kids struggle with chelation. Yeast increases, and killing yeast while chelating is a lot for the body to do at once. So many conflicting supplements, and your on such a tight schedule to get them in before the body lets go of the toxins. It would help if the liver and kidneys functioned better. > > We've had a few kids who have experienced the numbness (peripheral neuropathy is the medical term) on rounds. The recommendation is to reduce the dose of Ala, I had an adult chelator tell me she increased fish oil and this was helpful.Thanks, mentioned this too. The numbness really frightens my son. He doesn't want to go to school when this happens. I know that ALA lowers blood sugar levels. My father was diabetic, and lost his legs to it. Peripheral neuropathy is the first sign that your blood isn't ciculating to your extremities. Could the peripheral neuropathy signify trouble with his blood sugar level? If so, how would I better regulate his blood sugar while giving him ALA?> Reduce the dose. The dose you are looking for is one that causes improvements but doesn't create huge side effects. We are at 12mg ALA and he is 100ibs. It seems low, but he still had numbness last time. I will try the fish oil. We are not using DMSA now. Would adding it help or be too much? DMSA alone was not a problem for him years ago. When we added the ALA, he took a dive. Thanks for the suggestions.Jen> > > > > > > ,> How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?> > I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. > > This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. > > We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. > > It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.> Thanks for listening,> Jen> PS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >>

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we will just have to then disagree on this one then. as they have been many studies, and even looking at hair tests, urine, stool ect that have shown they do. but I would be interested to read the jim adams one. can you post it

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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Yes, I read that. Thanks, I'll google ACE.

From: <Ladyshrink111@ peoplepc. com>Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:07 AM



Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confusedTo: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comDate: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 8:34 PM

,How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language. He has since come back from all that. This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking, but scared him. We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only opportunity for him to drink it is at

lunch. I send a second one for him to drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our awesome snow week off. It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.Thanks for listening,JenPS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork was expensive.> > >>

> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > > > > >> >>

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I googled it and it can be a symptom of Mg poisoning. This has only happened

twice, both times when on a round. It has not happened on every round. The first

time it happened we were perfect with the 3 hour day 4 hour night timing,

because we had a three day weekend from school. The second time there were 4.5

hours between rounds in the afternoon.

I guess this tells me that he does have mercury that needs to come out, but I'm

pretty sure it is not a good thing he is feeling numbness. I'm going to stop

until I can figure this out. It is lucky that he can tell me that he feels

this. When he was younger he would not have been able to do that.

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> > > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a

frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours

during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl,

completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers,

except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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I get numbness a lot. I have Bartonella, Babesia, and several viruses

and a lots of exposure to toxins and metals. I get numbness more when I

start a new treatment. It usually lasts a few days or couple of weeks.

It is mostly in the morning. Three years ago before I started

treatments, I had numbness every day and sometimes I could barely move

my arms. I think the cause can be many things, but for me it is from

pathogens and toxins, and treating such, increases symptoms at first.

This is why I believe in having a good die-off plan and

anti-inflammatories taken daily. I always take turmeric for

inflammation and Modifilan for toxins, and liver support, etc. This

helps a lot!

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

I googled it and it can be a symptom of Mg poisoning. This has only

happened twice, both times when on a round. It has not happened on every

round. The first time it happened we were perfect with the 3 hour day 4

hour night timing, because we had a three day weekend from school. The

second time there were 4.5 hours between rounds in the afternoon.

I guess this tells me that he does have mercury that needs to come out,

but I'm pretty sure it is not a good thing he is feeling numbness. I'm

going to stop until I can figure this out. It is lucky that he can tell

me that he feels this. When he was younger he would not have been able

to do that.

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can mean to much metals are moving, to quickly...

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

I get numbness a lot. I have Bartonella, Babesia, and several viruses and a lots of exposure to toxins and metals. I get numbness more when I start a new treatment. It usually lasts a few days or couple of weeks. It is mostly in the morning. Three years ago before I started treatments, I had numbness every day and sometimes I could barely move my arms. I think the cause can be many things, but for me it is from pathogens and toxins, and treating such, increases symptoms at first. This is why I believe in having a good die-off plan and anti-inflammatories taken daily. I always take turmeric for inflammation and Modifilan for toxins, and liver support, etc. This helps a lot!Love and prayers,Heidi NI googled it and it can be a symptom of Mg poisoning. This has only happened twice, both times when on a round. It has not happened on every round. The first time it happened we were perfect with the 3 hour day 4 hour night timing, because we had a three day weekend from school. The second time there were 4.5 hours between rounds in the afternoon.I guess this tells me that he does have mercury that needs to come out, but I'm pretty sure it is not a good thing he is feeling numbness. I'm going to stop until I can figure this out. It is lucky that he can tell me that he feels this. When he was younger he would not have been able to do that.