Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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Hi all, I need help. Please give me any suggestions you think may help.

I have been chelating my son using the AC protocol. In the first 3 rounds I did we only used ALA. And we started low and slow. Then my DAN doctor added DMSA. She suggested one dose of 1000 mg, which we did. Up to this point no major changes/improvements were noted. I decided to split the 1000 mg in 4 doses of 250 each. At this point, I gave the DMSA along because I ran out of ALA. We rested the whole week after the 4 dosed of 250. In this week we noticed and the teacher and therapies too some very nice improvement. So we felt that we were in the right track. Yesterday Friday, I started a new round. I decided to lower the DMSA dose (low and slow) and added ALA. So we restarted ALA 50 mg and DMSA 60 mg. since this is where we left off on the ALA dosage. Today, Saturday, his autistic behavior became worst, one of the worst time ever. A lot of frictioning his head, scratching, weird sounds and very inappropriate. This lasted a short

period of time and then he said after he got done with the frictioning and scratching "I feel better." It was so bad that my husband for the first time asked "what are you giving him?" and "that stuff must be very powerful." What do I do? I was so happy with the nice improvements and now I feel back to square one! Do I decrease the dose? Do I space it to every 4 hours instead of 3? Do I stop the round all together?? Please help!

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WOW,that sounds extremely high for DMSA(this sounds dangerous).My son does

12.5mg every 3 hours only 5mg ALA with that.

You should join the Autism-Mercury group for more information.ALot of helpful

parents can guide you.They will tell you giving it once a day just always for

the mercury to be re-distributed in organs and brain.

AC protocol every 3 hours if using ALA you may extend to 4 hours when

sleeping.Also is he getting proper supporting supplements?Check out Andy's book

or join group.

Hope this helps.jake's mom

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> Hi all, I need help. Please give me any suggestions you think may help.

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> I have been chelating my son using the AC protocol. In the first 3 rounds I

did we only used ALA. And we started low and slow. Then my DAN doctor added

DMSA. She suggested one dose of 1000 mg, which we did. Up to this point no major

changes/improvements were noted. I decided to split the 1000 mg in 4 doses of

250 each. At this point, I gave the DMSA along because I ran out of ALA. We

rested the whole week after the 4 dosed of 250. In this week we noticed and the

teacher and therapies too some very nice improvement. So we felt that we were in

the right track. Yesterday Friday, I started a new round. I decided to lower the

DMSA dose (low and slow) and added ALA. So we restarted ALA 50 mg and DMSA 60

mg. since this is where we left off on the ALA dosage. Today, Saturday, his

autistic behavior became worst, one of the worst time ever. A lot of frictioning

his head, scratching, weird sounds and very inappropriate. This lasted a short

period of time and

> then he said after he got done with the frictioning and scratching " I feel

better. " It was so bad that my husband for the first time asked " what are you

giving him? "  and  " that stuff must be very powerful. " What do I do? I was so

happy with the nice improvements and now I feel back to square one! Do I

decrease the dose? Do I space it to every 4 hours instead of 3? Do I stop the

round all together?? Please help! 

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[Guest guest]

Karla,

Please be careful. It’s important to realize

that all you read and hear about autism is not necessarily true. Unfortunately

some things that are being done can actually do more harm. It is important

to trust your gut. We would do anything to make our kids better. That

makes us extremely vulnerable to the new cures of the week. I too did crazy

things along the way in an attempt to help my son. It wasn’t until

I found a doctor who treated his condition both medically and

scientifically that I could stop the constant reading and search for answers. After

we started treatment with Dr. Goldberg (Tarzana, California) I could finally

focus my energy on the things that truly helped and really changed his life.

Today my son, , is twenty-one. is recovered

as a result of a combination of medical, behavioral and educational treatment.

He currently attends a university on a merit based academic scholarship

and studies Mechanical Engineering. does all the things the doctors

told me he would never do. He joined the Sigma Chi fraternity and is

president of the Jewish Student Association. drives and has a ton of

friends (who would have seen that one coming?) He excels academically and

is a member of the Engineering Honor Society (top 10% GPA). But most importantly, is a good person with

great values and is happy. If anyone would have told me this was possible

when he was little, I never would have believed them. Unbelievable as it

seems, this is the same child who wanted to spend his days plugging in a

portable radio into every outlet in the house over and over again.

Here is a link to the videos on U tube of three of Dr. G’s

recovered kids? There are hundreds out there. My is among the three

kids shown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGuSVBVEU3I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLhn1yfFh_g & feature=related

Please email me privately if you would like me to forward

information about what we did medically for .

Marcia Hinds

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There is much I did all on my own in my kitchen (body ecolody diet). But after

2 years of really cleaning up our home, colon cleansing, and having a daily diet

full of cultured foods, vegetables, minerals, proteins I knew we were ready for

the next step and I felt ready to work with a DAN doctor.

I believe it's important to work with a DAN on supplementation/other protocols.

Follow your gut when choosing a DAN. We've tried 5. 2 were not for our

family and we just knew this in our gut (no matter how desperate we felt).

Three have been important for different parts/different needs.

Detox is good, but it can HARM the body. We're using NAC and ALA right now

under our DAN's supervision and dosage will be different dependent on the child.

We've done more than 10 rounds of DMSA too previously.

I've known people whose children regressed even further during treatments, not

yet to return.

Our child has had slow, yet steady recovery over 5 years. We've never had

amazing silver bullet moments....but steady. I believe as you restore the body

step by step it will find a way to heal itself given the proper nourishment.

Currently we like Dr Volpe in Houston, TX.

http://www.doctorvolpe.com/autism.html

All the best

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> Hi all, I need help. Please give me any suggestions you think may help.

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> I have been chelating my son using the AC protocol. In the first 3 rounds I

did we only used ALA. And we started low and slow. Then my DAN doctor added

DMSA. She suggested one dose of 1000 mg, which we did. Up to this point no major

changes/improvements were noted. I decided to split the 1000 mg in 4 doses of

250 each. At this point, I gave the DMSA along because I ran out of ALA. We

rested the whole week after the 4 dosed of 250. In this week we noticed and the

teacher and therapies too some very nice improvement. So we felt that we were in

the right track. Yesterday Friday, I started a new round. I decided to lower the

DMSA dose (low and slow) and added ALA. So we restarted ALA 50 mg and DMSA 60

mg. since this is where we left off on the ALA dosage. Today, Saturday, his

autistic behavior became worst, one of the worst time ever. A lot of frictioning

his head, scratching, weird sounds and very inappropriate. This lasted a short

period of time and

> then he said after he got done with the frictioning and scratching " I feel

better. " It was so bad that my husband for the first time asked " what are you

giving him? "  and  " that stuff must be very powerful. " What do I do? I was so

happy with the nice improvements and now I feel back to square one! Do I

decrease the dose? Do I space it to every 4 hours instead of 3? Do I stop the

round all together?? Please help! 

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From: Karla Fine

===>These doses are way too high to be AC protocol, which is 1/8-1/4 Dmsa/Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. And the 1000 mg, even split up into 4 doses, very, very high.

Hi all, I need help. Please give me any suggestions you think may help.

I have been chelating my son using the AC protocol. In the first 3 rounds I did we only used ALA. And we started low and slow. Then my DAN doctor added DMSA. She suggested one dose of 1000 mg, which we did. Up to this point no major changes/improvements were noted. I decided to split the 1000 mg in 4 doses of 250 each. At this point, I gave the DMSA along because I ran out of ALA. We rested the whole week after the 4 dosed of 250. In this week we noticed and the teacher and therapies too some very nice improvement. So we felt that we were in the right track. Yesterday Friday, I started a new round. I decided to lower the DMSA dose (low and slow) and added ALA. So we restarted ALA 50 mg and DMSA 60 mg. since this is where we left off on the ALA dosage. Today, Saturday, his autistic behavior became worst, one of the worst time ever. A lot of frictioning his head, scratching, weird sounds and very inappropriate. This lasted a short period of time and then he said after he got done with the frictioning and scratching "I feel better." It was so bad that my husband for the first time asked "what are you giving him?" and "that stuff must be very powerful." What do I do? I was so happy with the nice improvements and now I feel back to square one! Do I decrease the dose? Do I space it to every 4 hours instead of 3? Do I stop the round all together?? Please help!

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As a former patient mom of Dr. G's, *agreed*, . We had to stop seeing Dr. G because of the issues antidepressants (among other things). And low/frequent chelation with ALA/DMSA has been *huge* for us and has caused infinitely less problems than the ssri's.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

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From: and Marcia Hinds

===>Marcia,

What you did, giving Rx antivirals and antidepressants is not without lots of risk either. You can find lots of information about the inadvisability of both.

Karla,Please be careful. It’s important to realize that all you read and hear about autism is not necessarily true. Unfortunately some things that are being done can actually do more harm. It is important to trust your gut. We would do anything to make our kids better. That makes us extremely vulnerable to the new cures of the week. I too did crazy things along the way in an attempt to help my son. It wasn’t until I found a doctor who treated his condition both medically and scientifically that I could stop the constant reading and search for answers. After we started treatment with Dr. Goldberg (Tarzana, California) I could finally focus my energy on the things that truly helped and really changed his life.Today my son, , is twenty-one. is recovered as a result of a combination of medical, behavioral and educational treatment. He currently attends a university on a merit based academic scholarship and studies Mechanical Engineering. does all the things the doctors told me he would never do. He joined the Sigma Chi fraternity and is president of the Jewish Student Association. drives and has a ton of friends (who would have seen that one coming?) He excels academically and is a member of the Engineering Honor Society (top 10% GPA). But most importantly, is a good person with great values and is happy. If anyone would have told me this was possible when he was little, I never would have believed them. Unbelievable as it seems, this is the same child who wanted to spend his days plugging in a portable radio into every outlet in the house over and over again. Here is a link to the videos on U tube of three of Dr. G’s recovered kids? There are hundreds out there. My is among the three kids shown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGuSVBVEU3Ihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLhn1yfFh_g & feature=relatedPlease email me privately if you would like me to forward information about what we did medically for . Marcia Hinds

[Guest guest]

Agreed. Doses are waaaay too high.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

----- Original Message -----

From: Karla Fine

===>These doses are way too high to be AC protocol, which is 1/8-1/4 Dmsa/Ala every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. And the 1000 mg, even split up into 4 doses, very, very high.

Hi all, I need help. Please give me any suggestions you think may help.

I have been chelating my son using the AC protocol. In the first 3 rounds I did we only used ALA. And we started low and slow. Then my DAN doctor added DMSA. She suggested one dose of 1000 mg, which we did. Up to this point no major changes/improvements were noted. I decided to split the 1000 mg in 4 doses of 250 each. At this point, I gave the DMSA along because I ran out of ALA. We rested the whole week after the 4 dosed of 250. In this week we noticed and the teacher and therapies too some very nice improvement. So we felt that we were in the right track. Yesterday Friday, I started a new round. I decided to lower the DMSA dose (low and slow) and added ALA. So we restarted ALA 50 mg and DMSA 60 mg. since this is where we left off on the ALA dosage. Today, Saturday, his autistic behavior became worst, one of the worst time ever. A lot of frictioning his head, scratching, weird sounds and very inappropriate. This lasted a short period of time and then he said after he got done with the frictioning and scratching "I feel better." It was so bad that my husband for the first time asked "what are you giving him?" and "that stuff must be very powerful." What do I do? I was so happy with the nice improvements and now I feel back to square one! Do I decrease the dose? Do I space it to every 4 hours instead of 3? Do I stop the round all together?? Please help!

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ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain

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From: Christel King

ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain

=====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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ALA does that regaurless of how much you take, it's part of what it does, frequency has nothing to do with it either

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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From: Christel King

ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain

=====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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that is awesome...I hope that for my brother.

Now, question. How old was your daughter when you did this? And from what I

understand from your post, that when you are doing this protocol, it must be

frequent and consistent to not pass the BBB (blood/brain barrier?) -- is this

correct?

If it is correct, how long did you do this to get the results you got?

If it's not correct, help me understand! Or at least send me to a place

where I can read about it. I have often thought that we would need to go this

route w/Rob, but I am hesitant because it seems so hard on the body. I wanted

to make sure that I was dealing with the detox avenues to make sure they were

working properly before starting this protocol. (We aren't there yet) because I

felt if they were not working optimally then it would probably be a waste of

time and money.

Rob was getting really " sick " during the first few months (vomiting) - because I

was doing everything. I actually scaled back, and found I was making better

progress without overloading the body. My focus was/is on cleaning up his

intestines first (working on his immune system and function). I do focus on the

yeast as a result, but at a much slower pace. I found if I gave his body the

resources to accomplish these tasks on it's own, that I was working more in

harmony with his particular needs, not what I would like to see...(I am laughing

because I would like to see him recovered now!)

Now your daughter doesn't have special diet or supplements -- and when did you

know that she wouldn't need these, did you test, and then go slow, or did you

just take her off the diet, and see how she handled it?

laura

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frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3

hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our

girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers,

except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the

issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be

excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and

reattaches to tissues/organs.

If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a

round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?

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frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours

during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl,

completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers,

except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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ALA passes the BBB and anything it carries with it, which is why it's typically recommeneded after DMSA and body has been cleaned out so it moves the metals out of the braing back into the body and out. but if you have a high body load it will move it all around everywhere.

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

----- Original Message -----

From: Christel King

ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain

=====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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From: laurargoddin

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She was 3.5 when we started. Chystel is talking about one thing and me another. Ala has the ability to cross the BBB, otherwise it couldn't remove the mercury from the central nervous system/brain. If you use Ala infrequently you can cause redistribution. If you use Ala properly redistribution will not occur. Many, many people use just Ala to recover their kids. The proper use of Ala is low doses, every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night for 3 days, in what are called "rounds". Then you rest for 4 days and start again. We chelated for 3 years, a long time but she is completely recovered.

If you send me an email offlist I can get you some good literature.

that is awesome...I hope that for my brother. Now, question. How old was your daughter when you did this? And from what I understand from your post, that when you are doing this protocol, it must be frequent and consistent to not pass the BBB (blood/brain barrier?) -- is this correct? If it is correct, how long did you do this to get the results you got? If it's not correct, help me understand! Or at least send me to a place where I can read about it. I have often thought that we would need to go this route w/Rob, but I am hesitant because it seems so hard on the body. I wanted to make sure that I was dealing with the detox avenues to make sure they were working properly before starting this protocol. (We aren't there yet) because I felt if they were not working optimally then it would probably be a waste of time and money.Rob was getting really "sick" during the first few months (vomiting) - because I was doing everything. I actually scaled back, and found I was making better progress without overloading the body. My focus was/is on cleaning up his intestines first (working on his immune system and function). I do focus on the yeast as a result, but at a much slower pace. I found if I gave his body the resources to accomplish these tasks on it's own, that I was working more in harmony with his particular needs, not what I would like to see...(I am laughing because I would like to see him recovered now!)Now your daughter doesn't have special diet or supplements -- and when did you know that she wouldn't need these, did you test, and then go slow, or did you just take her off the diet, and see how she handled it? laura>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christel King > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > >

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From: S

===>Yes, , you're correct, there would be one redistribution at the end of the round because you cannot chelate nonstop. This versus many redistributions on the Dan! high dose infrequent protocol.

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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From: S

===>Unless you've had recent exposure to mercury through vaxxes or amalgam removal you do not have high body burden, or rather high blood levels of mercury. Our kids are chronically poisoned, were poisoned many years ago. Mercury only stays in the blood for a short time (2-3 months), then heads for the organs. But some people do not understand this and cling to the old thinking.

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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When you did the protocol did you use charcoal or something else 1 hour after the dose? or did you just use the vitamins ie c. b. mag.

Ginger

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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ok now that is better phrasing, redistribution! still crosses the BBB regaurdless of dosing and doesn't mean metals moving in the brain aren't going to cause issues, espeically if you have detox issues (which are kids do) make sure some selenium is in the diet, and helpful things for dumping like milk thistel and glutathione

and side note biofilm is NOT old thinking.....it's now being very helpful in lots of kids who could not make gains other wise, chelating can't get what is in biofilm with out addressing the biofilm

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

----- Original Message -----

From: Christel King

ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain

=====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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not sure what protical you are talking about DAN wise but it's no different then what you just posted, every 4 hours for 4 days....so the redistribution would be the same just cleaing out body before brain

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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From: S

===>Yes, , you're correct, there would be one redistribution at the end of the round because you cannot chelate nonstop. This versus many redistributions on the Dan! high dose infrequent protocol.

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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Please don't try to. Be an expert and don't say has nothing to do with frequent dosingSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:37:05 -0500To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused ALA does that regaurless of how much you take, it's part of what it does, frequency has nothing to do with it either Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused ----- Original Message ----- From: Christel King ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.

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Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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From: S

===>Yes, , you're correct, there would be one redistribution at the end of the round because you cannot chelate nonstop. This versus many redistributions on the Dan! high dose infrequent protocol.

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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i have seen 7 DANS over the year,. only one did the 8 hour protical and that was 6 years ago and he now does the 4 hour doseing. that is a high generalization, infact I remember at the DAN conference them talking about a few different options. the DAN way of sticking to the 8 hours only is way old in practice from what I have seen DANs do even on the groups you don't hear of it done that way much anymore. there is no set DAN way of doing anything these days, there's not a golden way of things.

rebecca you are sadly mistaken I HAVE chelated my son in the past and am doing biofilm now and DMSA. don't assume things you don't know about me! I was on chelatingkids2 for YEARS, close to I believe 5 years! I also have helped thousands of families over the years across the country with biomedical INCLUDING chelation and helping families talk to their dr's about starting it, or backing off when doses are to high and kids are flareing yeast beyond what they can maintain. I have hundreds of families that have sent their hair, and porphyrins tests, to me to view, and I walk them through counting rules ect and have spoke at conference on all things biomedical including chelation. this isn't a new subject to me. you and I have been through this before. I have talked with andy cutler as well in cal about chelation years back (about 3 now) and others with a vast info in their pocket. gary gorden had interviewed me back in the day on chelation and I have sat through many presentations on chelation as well. n I also have read messages for years on thousands of families who were and are chelating, and work with families in local support groups doing that as well as one on one with families. you have ONE way you present and there are more then one ways to skin a cat. any family going to chelate needs to know all the facts about the things they are looking to do. ALA does cross the BBB, it's one of it's unique qualties. families need to know that. they have a right to know that. we are all here to equipt each other with info. andy developed some ways of doing it, as have others that have worked well and succsefully for decades. he is not the end all only way of doing things.

i know others who have dumped metals even with out chelation, we have had this discussion before. fixing the bodies systems can allow the body to do it's job as well..

Re: ALA and DMSA Combined - confused

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===>Yes, , you're correct, there would be one redistribution at the end of the round because you cannot chelate nonstop. This versus many redistributions on the Dan! high dose infrequent protocol.

But how would ALA push mercury through the blood brain barrier? I thought the issue was ALA pulling out the mercury and letting it go before it can be excreted out through stool or urine. Then the mercury is free floating and reattaches to tissues/organs.If this right, low frequent dose makes sense, but wouldn't the last dose in a round, pull mercury and possibly let it go before it can be detoxed out?> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christel King > > > > > > > > > > > > ALA crosses the BBB, so it can be pushing metals into the brain> > > > =====>Ala, given on an inproper protocol can do this. Ala given on a frequent dose protocol, will not. Frequent dose protocol for Ala = every 3 hours during the day, every 4 at night. The frequent dose protocol recovered our girl, completely. Recovered as in indistinguishable in every way from her peers, except to the positive. No diet, no supps.> > > > > >>

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Thanks for explaining more about your background, Christel. You are such a

wealth of valuable knowledge. I encourage you to continue sharing what you

know, and to ignore the presumptuous, dogmatic naysayers who spill over onto

this list from the " culter is the only game in town " dogma.

What perplexes me is that Cutler claims the glutathione (GSH) is contraindicated

for mercury toxicity. But, Dr. Sid Baker writes in the 2007 supplement to

'effective biomedical intervention' that GSH is the keystone of all metabolic

functioning involving detox. My little boy has been receiving GSH IV's and it's

helping.

Seems to me like no one has all the answers. Nothing is black and white. If

you've seen one child with autism, all you have seen is one child with autism.

http://store.autism.com/

You're a lovely giving person Christel. And, you're a hero for saving your son

and for helping all of those needy families out there.

--penumbra

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How much of an issue is the Mg that is redistributed on the last round? What if

a parent sleeps through a dose, and misses it by a few hours?

I have recently tried ALA 3 hour chelation with my son again. Several years

ago, he did DMSA for several months, and then added ALA. DMSA went well, but

when we added ALA he had a huge yeast problem resurface and lost some language.

He has since come back from all that.

This time, I feel like his verbal response time is quicker, and he is not

arguing as much about doing homework. On the down side, he got a rash that

burned on his legs (second round). I lowered the dose and two rounds later he

had some numbness in his legs and mouth that did not effect walking or talking,

but scared him.

We did go longer than three hours (four and a half) on a few rounds because he

is taking liquid ALA that I have added to his juice at school. The only

opportunity for him to drink it is at lunch. I send a second one for him to

drink when he arrives at the babysitter (my mother) but he never remembers to

take it. She doesn't remember to tell him either. The numbness occured when we

were right on schedule (every three hours daily/four at night) during our

awesome snow week off.

It is quite scary to play witch doctor with your child when an element like Mg

could be involved. If you or anyone has thoughts as to what is going on with

the numbness and whether or not it is safe to proceed, please share.

Thanks for listening,

Jen

PS- Lab work is not likely because I am beyond broke. Unless anyone knows of a

doctor and lab that accepts Anthem in Northern Virginia? When we chelated years

ago we used Dr. Layton in land. I love him dearly, but we just

can't afford it. Even with the breaks he gave me on office visits, the labwork

was expensive.

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