Re: My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

[Guest guest]

Triglycerides AND Cholesterol both should come down when you get to a GOOD dose of Armour. Till then and while you still have ANY remaining hypo symptoms, I would not expect them to come down much. From what I have seen it happens rather rapidly at the right dosage. I know little of the other things you listed but have seen the Ferritin needs to be higher than yours is too. You thyroid labs look fair but show as you know that you need more still.

Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Oooooooooooh Topper this is so exciting!

I want to comment, but I need to work, one, and process, two, so it

will be lunchtime or so when I get to it.

Hang in there! I'm sure lots of other folks will have comments too.

*hugs*

in LA

> I'm sincere. I REALLY want comments on this, please..

>

> Topper () *who starts the new dose TODAY!!!!*

[Guest guest]

Wow.. now I did it!!! I roughly planned out thyroid dosage increases, and as I read it back just now I realized that the timing is wrong.... I'd end up increasing way too quickly...

Patience, patience patience.....

Deep breath.

I've come a LONG way. I don't have to risk botching it all up my doing things wrong now.

No time table... I will increase by 1/2 grain to day and start charting.. when my basals are stable I will journal my symptoms and reactions. In six weeks I'll make the call as to weather it time to have that extra 1/2 grain every day.

Patience, patience, patience.

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:54:49 -0600 topper2@... writes:

< snip >

I'm actually very pleased with these results. The confirm what I've felt, that I do need a higher dose, but I admit they are lower than I expected. I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural. Because of my sensitivity to adjustments I'll begin with adding 1/2 grain every other day in 2 weeks I'll go to every day (I have 2 grain tabs, so 1/2 grain is the smallest increase I can do, 1/4 tab). I'll hold at that for 4 weeks to see how my body is adjusting to the increase. If all is well and my pulse and temps stabilize again. I'll prepare to increase by another 1/2 grain every other day, etc.

< snip >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val... I'm thinking the same thing with the Triglycerides and Cholesterol, too...... and looking at my numbers... I'm actually still looking pretty low with the thyroid hormones.

I've been sitting here thinking... if I'd not held at this dose, in prep for labs... would I have increased and been closer to optimal by now?

Interesting to think about....

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:15:00 -0500 " " writes:

Triglycerides AND Cholesterol both should come down when you get to a GOOD dose of Armour. Till then and while you still have ANY remaining hypo symptoms, I would not expect them to come down much. From what I have seen it happens rather rapidly at the right dosage. I know little of the other things you listed but have seen the Ferritin needs to be higher than yours is too. You thyroid labs look fair but show as you know that you need more still.

Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

.... oops, you missed that part Dawn.. I am taking meds now.... I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural (Time Cap Labs).....

I try to have a liver feast every month or two, when money permits... I LOVE liver... over the past year or so I've modified my recipe abit... I not longer 'bread' the liver.... I now used ground oatmeal as my coating. I do that on all my 'breaded' meats now, that is when I choose to prepare it that way....

The Calcium that I am taking now is a Calcium-Magnesium with vitamin D... I'm hoping to get outside more. My goal is 30 minutes per day, in two 'sittings'. Right now I'm lucky to be out side for longer than it takes to walk to the street and get the mail.

I want to make some changes in my routine. Now that the lymph infection is out of my legs it's safe to begin walking daily again. The snow is clearing and the roads are safer to walk on too. That should get things moving, so to speak, and will benefit me in MANY ways.

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:26:28 -0800 (PST) dawn prince writes:

Hi ,

Things look pretty good to me for the thyroid stuff considering you were not taking meds. Checked your others against my last ones not sure if it will help but here goes:

iron is low [eggs, liver good source] better than mine though

ferritin is equel to mine

calcium is better than mine and I take calcium with magnesium, zinc or D which gets the calcium to the bones. [Hubbie was oesteo-pini so had some experience getting it to the bones]

glucose seems a bit high

cholesterol seems a bit high but oatmeal does help with that

the tryglycerides not sure of either.

All in all you look pretty good and should be proud of how you have maintained yourself over that past years. Hope this has been of some help to you.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Sooo... if I was in the 13th hour of fasting.... Am I understanding this right? My body was getting no outside food sources, so it was releasing stored fat for fuel?

..... or is it the other extreme? That after 13 hours of fasting I still had fat floating around in my system from the last meal? Rice and turkey burger..... I hope that isn't it.....

Somebody run with me on this... Low carb/high protein makes me drop weight... EASY, but it's too expensive for me to eat that way..... do I have a body chemistry that is highly conducive to burning fat?

..... or am I just looking at this all inside out?

Before RAI I was a huge meat eater. Occasionally chocolate but not much in the way of sweets, not much in the way of vegies, either... an all meat meal was not uncommon for me.

When I went into storm is when I started doing carbs, fruits and vegies... and after that kept on with it.... now, with financial issues, carbs are the cheapest food, rice is a staple in my diet, eaten at most meals.

Keeping my meals balanced, always having protein with carb allows me to control weight, tipping that a bit more protein means loss of weight...

I need to wrap my brain around this more.. this may be a strong clue....

....or it may be just the way it is with my thyroid levels still below where they should be....

....comments welcome... I'd like to here more interpretations on this...

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:10:15 -0800 "Donna " writes:

I got the following red information from the American Heart Association Website. Hope it helps you.

Triglycerides are the chemical form in which most fat exists in food as well as in the body. They're also present in blood plasma and, in association with cholesterol, form the plasma lipids.

Triglycerides in plasma are derived from fats eaten in foods or made in the body from other energy sources like carbohydrates. Calories ingested in a meal and not used immediately by tissues are converted to triglycerides and transported to fat cells to be stored. Hormones regulate the release of triglycerides from fat tissue so they meet the body's needs for energy between meals.

Not to scare you, but I've always been told that anything > 2.20 puts you in a risk for Cardio Vascular Disease.

I'm surprised that they didn't test your LDL (Bad Cholesterol) and your HDL (Good Cholesterol). Always nice to see those numbers, too.

[Guest guest]

Sorry meant that you had not just prior to the labs being done which would have made an increase of your thyroid levels if you had taken as normal. Make sense of that ??????? Just a bit nervous going to the naturopath for the first time at 2 hope that she can help me more than I have been from the other one. Will report how it went later.

Dawntopper2@... wrote:

.... oops, you missed that part Dawn.. I am taking meds now.... I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural (Time Cap Labs).....

I try to have a liver feast every month or two, when money permits... I LOVE liver... over the past year or so I've modified my recipe abit... I not longer 'bread' the liver.... I now used ground oatmeal as my coating. I do that on all my 'breaded' meats now, that is when I choose to prepare it that way....

The Calcium that I am taking now is a Calcium-Magnesium with vitamin D... I'm hoping to get outside more. My goal is 30 minutes per day, in two 'sittings'. Right now I'm lucky to be out side for longer than it takes to walk to the street and get the mail.

I want to make some changes in my routine. Now that the lymph infection is out of my legs it's safe to begin walking daily again. The snow is clearing and the roads are safer to walk on too. That should get things moving, so to speak, and will benefit me in MANY ways.

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:26:28 -0800 (PST) dawn prince writes:

Hi ,

Things look pretty good to me for the thyroid stuff considering you were not taking meds. Checked your others against my last ones not sure if it will help but here goes:

iron is low [eggs, liver good source] better than mine though

ferritin is equel to mine

calcium is better than mine and I take calcium with magnesium, zinc or D which gets the calcium to the bones. [Hubbie was oesteo-pini so had some experience getting it to the bones]

glucose seems a bit high

cholesterol seems a bit high but oatmeal does help with that

the tryglycerides not sure of either.

All in all you look pretty good and should be proud of how you have maintained yourself over that past years. Hope this has been of some help to you.

Dawn __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Okay.. now I understand what you meant... duh..... sorry! eheheheheheh

I wanted to be sure to have not taken meds during that fast period... so that the labs would reflect what was in my system and how my body is processing it.. the true indication of how we are doing is what our bodies have in reserve and are converting.... NOT what is in the blood stream from a dose....

Your appointment will go fine... hope you'll be able to fill us in on what you find out....

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:21:27 -0800 (PST) dawn prince writes:

Sorry meant that you had not just prior to the labs being done which would have made an increase of your thyroid levels if you had taken as normal. Make sense of that ??????? Just a bit nervous going to the naturopath for the first time at 2 hope that she can help me more than I have been from the other one. Will report how it went later.

Dawn

[Guest guest]

>>I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural (Time Cap Labs)..... ,,

Well if I can believe my body, and it doesn;t usually lie to me, LOL, Armour is about 1.4 times stronger than the TCL generics! I was up to 7 TCL grains a day and now am doing fine on 5 grains of Armour. So you really aren;t on a very high dosage at all. I think it works out to about 2.5 grains Armour equivalent.

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WVFat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid catshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Ok, Pard.......

Triglycerides are often high with hypo,as well as the cholesterol.I think from your RBC, that you are a tad anemic....

Your liver functioning looks very good......

Your Pard

My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

My results are in..... For those that are not familiar with me. I'm 47, had my thyroid destroyed by RAI 15 years ago. I have a genetic defect in TSH receptors causing my thyroid to produce uncontrolled. I was hyper from puberty until I went into thyroid storm around age 30, I was in storm for over a year, the first doc I saw told me that I was too fat to be sick and told me to go home, ignoring my symptoms.

I was treated by docs with Synthroid for the first 10 years after RAI. I ended up on crutches with horrid hypo symptoms. Told by the docs that my problems were all mental, I was lazy, irresponsible and fat cause I over ate. My dosage was held at 200 mcg even though my weight increased over 150 pounds during those years.

I was without insurance, doctor care, labs and meds for the better part of three years. Things got very very bad. Heart rate was a weak 50, temp was well below 97, severe insomnia, shallow slow breathing at 10. Very little physical endurance. Had to sit on a chair to do dishes... the list goes on.

I found a source for natural thyroid in July of '02 and began self treating. Basing my dosage adjustments on basals and observation I've gradually worked to this point. No crutches, walking as far as a mile and a half, no chair to do dishes, able to shower, walk up and down stairs..... hair growing and filling in again, gradual weight loss. Better skin, better digestion. Sleep, blessed, blissful, restorative sleep WITH dreams!!! Chronic pain is gone. Waking pain is gone. Chronic headaches are gone. Improvement list goes on .....

I'm very hyper sensitive to dosage adjustments. It took and endo two years to get me to be able to take my Synthroid in a single dose a day. Today I still react pretty strongly to adjustments and missing doses. Although I was very surprised that I did so well during the fast and lack of meds during the hours preceding my blood draw Monday morning.

These are the first labs that I've had done (financial issues) since May of '97.

I have posted all the results but here are the ones that I had predicted, and my thoughts on the results.

I said that my thyroids were getting close but still low

TSH .333 .35 - 5.50

Free T4 .9 .8 - 1.8

Free T3 2.9 2.3 - 4.2

I was wrong, I'm lower than I expected. I guess it doesn't surprise me. I went mildly hyper during after my two increases. Which suggests to me that I'm still hyper sensitive to adjustments. Not unexpected. I've reduced my selenium, because I'm running out, I'm at about half of what I want to be taking and the Free T3 level reflects that. I'd not had a dose of thyroid for almost 14 hours at the time of the draw, so these numbers are reflecting my actual levels and not what I'd taken.

I'm actually very pleased with these results. The confirm what I've felt, that I do need a higher dose, but I admit they are lower than I expected. I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural. Because of my sensitivity to adjustments I'll begin with adding 1/2 grain every other day in 2 weeks I'll go to every day (I have 2 grain tabs, so 1/2 grain is the smallest increase I can do, 1/4 tab). I'll hold at that for 4 weeks to see how my body is adjusting to the increase. If all is well and my pulse and temps stabilize again. I'll prepare to increase by another 1/2 grain every other day, etc.

I've charted my previous adjustments. I routinely have a slight rise in basal temp for a few days after an increase, then it comes down again, same with pulse rate. Once that all stabilizes again. I just wait for my body to adjust..

For me, to go from 2 grain to 2 1/2 grain was a long one... it took 12 weeks on 2 grain before I felt my system was ready to go to 2 1/2. The change from 3 to 3 1/2 was also a hard one. The first two times I tried I went mildly hyper. The third time it took. I've been holding at this dose since last September, not because I thought it was the correct dose but because I was hoping to get a ride in for labs to see where I was. To get the most accurate lab results it's best to be stable on the same meds and supplements dose for at 4 to 6 weeks.. I chose a minimum of 6 weeks.

I've felt much better this winter than I have in many many years.. I started shoveling driveways again. I was slow, had to do it in sections, was sore after... but it's the first time since the mid 90's that I even wanted to try. I was still under doc's care back then too, and declining in health.

Okay. Iron/Ferritin. I expected that to be on the low side

Iron 70 35 - 185

Ferritin 39 10 - 291

I've been out of iron for 4 or 5 months, relying on diet and what's in my multi's. I'll need to get to town and get more and get back on it.

Calcium, I didn't make a call on, I don't think. I do some dairy and take 600 mg daily. I'll be increasing that by about 125 mg (a quarter of the chewable tabs that I already have)

Calcium 9.2 8.5 - 10.5

I don't think this value is low BUT I'm 47 and will be starting menopause one of these days. I'd like to be a bit higher in this. I think that quarter tab will help with that... comments here on this one if my thinking is incorrect.

Glucose I'm not familiar with this. I know that long term hypo is at risk for insulin resistance. I have Type II diabetes on my fathers side of the family. So need comments on this one.

Glucose 110 60 - 99

Cholesterol. Again. Chronic low thyroid causes problems with this. But I thought for a 'junk food free' as I am this would be better. Comments here, please...

Cholesterol 227 < 200

Triglycerides don't look good, but I have no idea what it means, help, please

Triglyceride 279 < 150

Okay.. that's it for now... I want to read through the rest of it and see what it all means.

I'm sincere. I REALLY want comments on this, please..

Topper () *who starts the new dose TODAY!!!!*

4.

Laboratory Results

Test Code

Description

Result

Range

Units

2908

NEUTROPHILS

65

42 - 77

%

2910

LYMPHOCYTES

26

16 - 43

%

2912

MONOCYTES

6

4 - 12

%

2914

EOSINOPHILS

3

0 - 8

%

2916

BASOPHILS

0

0 - 3

%

2930

WBC

7.8

4.0 - 11.0

K/MCL

2932

RBC

4.30

3.70 - 5.10

MILLION/MCL

2934

HGB

12.8

11.0 - 15.0

G/DL

2936

HCT

39.5

35.0 - 46.0

%

2938

MCV

92

81 - 103

FL

2940

MCH

29.8

26.0 - 35.0

PG

2942

MCHC

32.4

30.0 - 37.0

G/DL

2944

PLATELET COUNT

386

130 - 400

K/MCL

2950

RDW

14.0

11.5 - 14.5

%

3050

ALT (SGPT)

30

< 45 -

U/L

3052

ALBUMIN

4.1

3.7 - 5.2

G/DL

3053

GLOBULIN

3.2

1.8 - 3.5

G/DL

3054

ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE

66

40 - 125

U/L

3056

AST (SGOT)

24

< 45 -

U/L

3058

BUN

15

< 23 -

MG/DL

3060

CALCIUM

9.2

8.5 - 10.5

MG/DL

3062

CHLORIDE

103

98 - 109

MEQ/L

3064

CHOLESTEROL

227

< 200 -

MG/DL

3066

CREATININE

0.8

< 1.5 -

MG/DL

3070

GGT

17

< 45 -

U/L

3072

GLUCOSE

110

60 - 99

MG/DL

3074

IRON

70

35 - 185

MCG/DL

3078

LDH

173

119 - 223

U/L

3080

PHOSPHORUS

3.1

2.8 - 4.7

MG/DL

3082

POTASSIUM

4.9

3.6 - 5.2

MEQ/L

3084

SODIUM

141

136 - 146

MEQ/L

3086

TOTAL BILIRUBIN

0.5

0.2 - 1.3

MG/DL

3087

A/G RATIO

1.3

1 - 2.5

3088

TOTAL PROTEIN

7.3

6.2 - 8.3

G/DL

*** NEW REFERENCE RANGE FOR TOTAL PROTEIN - EFFECTIVE 11/20/04 ***

3090

TRIGLYCERIDES

279

< 150 -

MG/DL

3092

URIC ACID

6.4

2.5 - 6.8

MG/DL

3094

HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED

3096

LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO LIPEMIA DETECTED

3098

ICTERIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO ICTERUS DETECTED

3657

HDL CHOLESTEROL

46

> 39 -

MG/DL

3659

CHOL/HDL RATIO

4.9

< 5.0 -

3661

LDL CHOLESTEROL

125

< 130 -

MG/DL

3663

LDL/HDL RATIO

2.72

< 3.25 -

3664

VLDL, CALCULATED

56

< 30 -

MG/DL

3691

FERRITIN

39

10 - 291

NG/ML

3693

FREE THYROXINE (FT4)

0.9

0.8 - 1.8

NG/DL

4114

BICARBONATE

24

21 - 30

MEQ/L

4145

TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE

2.9

2.3 - 4.2

PG/ML

4536

TSH (3RD GENERATION)

0.333

0.35 - 5.50

MCIU/ML

[Guest guest]

There may also be since we that have thyroid disease may have problems wih absorption, that you still may have some of the last meal in your system?

Re: My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

Sooo... if I was in the 13th hour of fasting.... Am I understanding this right? My body was getting no outside food sources, so it was releasing stored fat for fuel?

..... or is it the other extreme? That after 13 hours of fasting I still had fat floating around in my system from the last meal? Rice and turkey burger..... I hope that isn't it.....

Somebody run with me on this... Low carb/high protein makes me drop weight... EASY, but it's too expensive for me to eat that way..... do I have a body chemistry that is highly conducive to burning fat?

..... or am I just looking at this all inside out?

Before RAI I was a huge meat eater. Occasionally chocolate but not much in the way of sweets, not much in the way of vegies, either... an all meat meal was not uncommon for me.

When I went into storm is when I started doing carbs, fruits and vegies... and after that kept on with it.... now, with financial issues, carbs are the cheapest food, rice is a staple in my diet, eaten at most meals.

Keeping my meals balanced, always having protein with carb allows me to control weight, tipping that a bit more protein means loss of weight...

I need to wrap my brain around this more.. this may be a strong clue....

....or it may be just the way it is with my thyroid levels still below where they should be....

....comments welcome... I'd like to here more interpretations on this...

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:10:15 -0800 "Donna " writes:

I got the following red information from the American Heart Association Website. Hope it helps you.

Triglycerides are the chemical form in which most fat exists in food as well as in the body. They're also present in blood plasma and, in association with cholesterol, form the plasma lipids.

Triglycerides in plasma are derived from fats eaten in foods or made in the body from other energy sources like carbohydrates. Calories ingested in a meal and not used immediately by tissues are converted to triglycerides and transported to fat cells to be stored. Hormones regulate the release of triglycerides from fat tissue so they meet the body's needs for energy between meals.

Not to scare you, but I've always been told that anything > 2.20 puts you in a risk for Cardio Vascular Disease.

I'm surprised that they didn't test your LDL (Bad Cholesterol) and your HDL (Good Cholesterol). Always nice to see those numbers, too.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pard ! That's good news about the liver... I had a lot of concern with that, and don't know which numbers reflect liver function.

During all the years of the pain, it had gotten so bad that I was taking Ibuprophen 20 and 30 tablets at a time.. just to try to make it bearable... it never went away, until I got my thyroid levels up... and I get to increase that AND FEEL EVEN BETTER!!!!

But it was scary.. thinking off the thousands and thousands of those pills I was taking each year, just trying to function... whew.. such relief that it didn't cause liver damage, as I've feared.

I might take an odd Ibuprophen now and again.. I think I might average 2 or 3 tablets a month now... Most often for headache pain resulting from short sleep... when there is too much going on to get to bed on time..... otherwise, after a lifetime of frequent headaches, often lasting a week or more at a time... headaches are a rarity, in comparison, and easily linked to a poor choice on my part...

I just finished setting up pill boxes for the next 12 days (I need to make more pill boxes!!! hehehehe) Alternation doses, 3 1/2 one day 4 grain the next....

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:22:55 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

Ok, Pard.......

Triglycerides are often high with hypo,as well as the cholesterol.I think from your RBC, that you are a tad anemic....

Your liver functioning looks very good......

Your Pard

[Guest guest]

I got the following red information from the American Heart Association Website. Hope it helps you.

Triglycerides are the chemical form in which most fat exists in food as well as in the body. They're also present in blood plasma and, in association with cholesterol, form the plasma lipids.

Triglycerides in plasma are derived from fats eaten in foods or made in the body from other energy sources like carbohydrates. Calories ingested in a meal and not used immediately by tissues are converted to triglycerides and transported to fat cells to be stored. Hormones regulate the release of triglycerides from fat tissue so they meet the body's needs for energy between meals.

Not to scare you, but I've always been told that anything > 2.20 puts you in a risk for Cardio Vascular Disease.

I'm surprised that they didn't test your LDL (Bad Cholesterol) and your HDL (Good Cholesterol). Always nice to see those numbers, too.

My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

My results are in..... For those that are not familiar with me. I'm 47, had my thyroid destroyed by RAI 15 years ago. I have a genetic defect in TSH receptors causing my thyroid to produce uncontrolled. I was hyper from puberty until I went into thyroid storm around age 30, I was in storm for over a year, the first doc I saw told me that I was too fat to be sick and told me to go home, ignoring my symptoms.

I was treated by docs with Synthroid for the first 10 years after RAI. I ended up on crutches with horrid hypo symptoms. Told by the docs that my problems were all mental, I was lazy, irresponsible and fat cause I over ate. My dosage was held at 200 mcg even though my weight increased over 150 pounds during those years.

I was without insurance, doctor care, labs and meds for the better part of three years. Things got very very bad. Heart rate was a weak 50, temp was well below 97, severe insomnia, shallow slow breathing at 10. Very little physical endurance. Had to sit on a chair to do dishes... the list goes on.

I found a source for natural thyroid in July of '02 and began self treating. Basing my dosage adjustments on basals and observation I've gradually worked to this point. No crutches, walking as far as a mile and a half, no chair to do dishes, able to shower, walk up and down stairs..... hair growing and filling in again, gradual weight loss. Better skin, better digestion. Sleep, blessed, blissful, restorative sleep WITH dreams!!! Chronic pain is gone. Waking pain is gone. Chronic headaches are gone. Improvement list goes on .....

I'm very hyper sensitive to dosage adjustments. It took and endo two years to get me to be able to take my Synthroid in a single dose a day. Today I still react pretty strongly to adjustments and missing doses. Although I was very surprised that I did so well during the fast and lack of meds during the hours preceding my blood draw Monday morning.

These are the first labs that I've had done (financial issues) since May of '97.

I have posted all the results but here are the ones that I had predicted, and my thoughts on the results.

I said that my thyroids were getting close but still low

TSH .333 .35 - 5.50

Free T4 .9 .8 - 1.8

Free T3 2.9 2.3 - 4.2

I was wrong, I'm lower than I expected. I guess it doesn't surprise me. I went mildly hyper during after my two increases. Which suggests to me that I'm still hyper sensitive to adjustments. Not unexpected. I've reduced my selenium, because I'm running out, I'm at about half of what I want to be taking and the Free T3 level reflects that. I'd not had a dose of thyroid for almost 14 hours at the time of the draw, so these numbers are reflecting my actual levels and not what I'd taken.

I'm actually very pleased with these results. The confirm what I've felt, that I do need a higher dose, but I admit they are lower than I expected. I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural. Because of my sensitivity to adjustments I'll begin with adding 1/2 grain every other day in 2 weeks I'll go to every day (I have 2 grain tabs, so 1/2 grain is the smallest increase I can do, 1/4 tab). I'll hold at that for 4 weeks to see how my body is adjusting to the increase. If all is well and my pulse and temps stabilize again. I'll prepare to increase by another 1/2 grain every other day, etc.

I've charted my previous adjustments. I routinely have a slight rise in basal temp for a few days after an increase, then it comes down again, same with pulse rate. Once that all stabilizes again. I just wait for my body to adjust..

For me, to go from 2 grain to 2 1/2 grain was a long one... it took 12 weeks on 2 grain before I felt my system was ready to go to 2 1/2. The change from 3 to 3 1/2 was also a hard one. The first two times I tried I went mildly hyper. The third time it took. I've been holding at this dose since last September, not because I thought it was the correct dose but because I was hoping to get a ride in for labs to see where I was. To get the most accurate lab results it's best to be stable on the same meds and supplements dose for at 4 to 6 weeks.. I chose a minimum of 6 weeks.

I've felt much better this winter than I have in many many years.. I started shoveling driveways again. I was slow, had to do it in sections, was sore after... but it's the first time since the mid 90's that I even wanted to try. I was still under doc's care back then too, and declining in health.

Okay. Iron/Ferritin. I expected that to be on the low side

Iron 70 35 - 185

Ferritin 39 10 - 291

I've been out of iron for 4 or 5 months, relying on diet and what's in my multi's. I'll need to get to town and get more and get back on it.

Calcium, I didn't make a call on, I don't think. I do some dairy and take 600 mg daily. I'll be increasing that by about 125 mg (a quarter of the chewable tabs that I already have)

Calcium 9.2 8.5 - 10.5

I don't think this value is low BUT I'm 47 and will be starting menopause one of these days. I'd like to be a bit higher in this. I think that quarter tab will help with that... comments here on this one if my thinking is incorrect.

Glucose I'm not familiar with this. I know that long term hypo is at risk for insulin resistance. I have Type II diabetes on my fathers side of the family. So need comments on this one.

Glucose 110 60 - 99

Cholesterol. Again. Chronic low thyroid causes problems with this. But I thought for a 'junk food free' as I am this would be better. Comments here, please...

Cholesterol 227 < 200

Triglycerides don't look good, but I have no idea what it means, help, please

Triglyceride 279 < 150

Okay.. that's it for now... I want to read through the rest of it and see what it all means.

I'm sincere. I REALLY want comments on this, please..

Topper () *who starts the new dose TODAY!!!!*

4.

Laboratory Results

Test Code

Description

Result

Range

Units

2908

NEUTROPHILS

65

42 - 77

%

2910

LYMPHOCYTES

26

16 - 43

%

2912

MONOCYTES

6

4 - 12

%

2914

EOSINOPHILS

3

0 - 8

%

2916

BASOPHILS

0

0 - 3

%

2930

WBC

7.8

4.0 - 11.0

K/MCL

2932

RBC

4.30

3.70 - 5.10

MILLION/MCL

2934

HGB

12.8

11.0 - 15.0

G/DL

2936

HCT

39.5

35.0 - 46.0

%

2938

MCV

92

81 - 103

FL

2940

MCH

29.8

26.0 - 35.0

PG

2942

MCHC

32.4

30.0 - 37.0

G/DL

2944

PLATELET COUNT

386

130 - 400

K/MCL

2950

RDW

14.0

11.5 - 14.5

%

3050

ALT (SGPT)

30

< 45 -

U/L

3052

ALBUMIN

4.1

3.7 - 5.2

G/DL

3053

GLOBULIN

3.2

1.8 - 3.5

G/DL

3054

ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE

66

40 - 125

U/L

3056

AST (SGOT)

24

< 45 -

U/L

3058

BUN

15

< 23 -

MG/DL

3060

CALCIUM

9.2

8.5 - 10.5

MG/DL

3062

CHLORIDE

103

98 - 109

MEQ/L

3064

CHOLESTEROL

227

< 200 -

MG/DL

3066

CREATININE

0.8

< 1.5 -

MG/DL

3070

GGT

17

< 45 -

U/L

3072

GLUCOSE

110

60 - 99

MG/DL

3074

IRON

70

35 - 185

MCG/DL

3078

LDH

173

119 - 223

U/L

3080

PHOSPHORUS

3.1

2.8 - 4.7

MG/DL

3082

POTASSIUM

4.9

3.6 - 5.2

MEQ/L

3084

SODIUM

141

136 - 146

MEQ/L

3086

TOTAL BILIRUBIN

0.5

0.2 - 1.3

MG/DL

3087

A/G RATIO

1.3

1 - 2.5

3088

TOTAL PROTEIN

7.3

6.2 - 8.3

G/DL

*** NEW REFERENCE RANGE FOR TOTAL PROTEIN - EFFECTIVE 11/20/04 ***

3090

TRIGLYCERIDES

279

< 150 -

MG/DL

3092

URIC ACID

6.4

2.5 - 6.8

MG/DL

3094

HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED

3096

LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO LIPEMIA DETECTED

3098

ICTERIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO ICTERUS DETECTED

3657

HDL CHOLESTEROL

46

> 39 -

MG/DL

3659

CHOL/HDL RATIO

4.9

< 5.0 -

3661

LDL CHOLESTEROL

125

< 130 -

MG/DL

3663

LDL/HDL RATIO

2.72

< 3.25 -

3664

VLDL, CALCULATED

56

< 30 -

MG/DL

3691

FERRITIN

39

10 - 291

NG/ML

3693

FREE THYROXINE (FT4)

0.9

0.8 - 1.8

NG/DL

4114

BICARBONATE

24

21 - 30

MEQ/L

4145

TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE

2.9

2.3 - 4.2

PG/ML

4536

TSH (3RD GENERATION)

0.333

0.35 - 5.50

MCIU/ML

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That is possible... I've thought that my digestion was doing pretty good.... but after seeing my numbers and that I am still definitely underdosed... that makes it quite possible...

That also explains why my body is so happy with the mini meals. It prefers the less intense work loads...

I've started doing the happy happy joy joy dance for myself.... Grab hold, lets do a conga line !!!!

.....it just now hit me as I was waiting to connect and download messages. I've had tons of improvement over the last two and a half years. I've been considering that I'm not 'all the way back yet' because I'd sustained permanent damage from all the years I was underdose on the Synthroid and then without meds. That I just have to remember how bad it was and enjoy what I have gotten back...

BUT my thyroid numbers are still low. I have room for improvement... so the BIG question now is: How much more can I still get back as my thyroid levels come up more?????

It's making my head spin... in circles... but no pea soup spray, so I'm okay!!! hehehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:29:43 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

There may also be since we that have thyroid disease may have problems wih absorption, that you still may have some of the last meal in your system?

[Guest guest]

Topper,

I am pre-diabetic and at the moment control it with diet. My doctor has told me to get concerned anytime my blood sugar (glucose) is over 100. I would think that 110 was quite high, especially given that you were fasting.

Jeannie

My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

My results are in..... For those that are not familiar with me. I'm 47, had my thyroid destroyed by RAI 15 years ago. I have a genetic defect in TSH receptors causing my thyroid to produce uncontrolled. I was hyper from puberty until I went into thyroid storm around age 30, I was in storm for over a year, the first doc I saw told me that I was too fat to be sick and told me to go home, ignoring my symptoms.

I was treated by docs with Synthroid for the first 10 years after RAI. I ended up on crutches with horrid hypo symptoms. Told by the docs that my problems were all mental, I was lazy, irresponsible and fat cause I over ate. My dosage was held at 200 mcg even though my weight increased over 150 pounds during those years.

I was without insurance, doctor care, labs and meds for the better part of three years. Things got very very bad. Heart rate was a weak 50, temp was well below 97, severe insomnia, shallow slow breathing at 10. Very little physical endurance. Had to sit on a chair to do dishes... the list goes on.

I found a source for natural thyroid in July of '02 and began self treating. Basing my dosage adjustments on basals and observation I've gradually worked to this point. No crutches, walking as far as a mile and a half, no chair to do dishes, able to shower, walk up and down stairs..... hair growing and filling in again, gradual weight loss. Better skin, better digestion. Sleep, blessed, blissful, restorative sleep WITH dreams!!! Chronic pain is gone. Waking pain is gone. Chronic headaches are gone. Improvement list goes on .....

I'm very hyper sensitive to dosage adjustments. It took and endo two years to get me to be able to take my Synthroid in a single dose a day. Today I still react pretty strongly to adjustments and missing doses. Although I was very surprised that I did so well during the fast and lack of meds during the hours preceding my blood draw Monday morning.

These are the first labs that I've had done (financial issues) since May of '97.

I have posted all the results but here are the ones that I had predicted, and my thoughts on the results.

I said that my thyroids were getting close but still low

TSH .333 .35 - 5.50

Free T4 .9 .8 - 1.8

Free T3 2.9 2.3 - 4.2

I was wrong, I'm lower than I expected. I guess it doesn't surprise me. I went mildly hyper during after my two increases. Which suggests to me that I'm still hyper sensitive to adjustments. Not unexpected. I've reduced my selenium, because I'm running out, I'm at about half of what I want to be taking and the Free T3 level reflects that. I'd not had a dose of thyroid for almost 14 hours at the time of the draw, so these numbers are reflecting my actual levels and not what I'd taken.

I'm actually very pleased with these results. The confirm what I've felt, that I do need a higher dose, but I admit they are lower than I expected. I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural. Because of my sensitivity to adjustments I'll begin with adding 1/2 grain every other day in 2 weeks I'll go to every day (I have 2 grain tabs, so 1/2 grain is the smallest increase I can do, 1/4 tab). I'll hold at that for 4 weeks to see how my body is adjusting to the increase. If all is well and my pulse and temps stabilize again. I'll prepare to increase by another 1/2 grain every other day, etc.

I've charted my previous adjustments. I routinely have a slight rise in basal temp for a few days after an increase, then it comes down again, same with pulse rate. Once that all stabilizes again. I just wait for my body to adjust..

For me, to go from 2 grain to 2 1/2 grain was a long one... it took 12 weeks on 2 grain before I felt my system was ready to go to 2 1/2. The change from 3 to 3 1/2 was also a hard one. The first two times I tried I went mildly hyper. The third time it took. I've been holding at this dose since last September, not because I thought it was the correct dose but because I was hoping to get a ride in for labs to see where I was. To get the most accurate lab results it's best to be stable on the same meds and supplements dose for at 4 to 6 weeks.. I chose a minimum of 6 weeks.

I've felt much better this winter than I have in many many years.. I started shoveling driveways again. I was slow, had to do it in sections, was sore after... but it's the first time since the mid 90's that I even wanted to try. I was still under doc's care back then too, and declining in health.

Okay. Iron/Ferritin. I expected that to be on the low side

Iron 70 35 - 185

Ferritin 39 10 - 291

I've been out of iron for 4 or 5 months, relying on diet and what's in my multi's. I'll need to get to town and get more and get back on it.

Calcium, I didn't make a call on, I don't think. I do some dairy and take 600 mg daily. I'll be increasing that by about 125 mg (a quarter of the chewable tabs that I already have)

Calcium 9.2 8.5 - 10.5

I don't think this value is low BUT I'm 47 and will be starting menopause one of these days. I'd like to be a bit higher in this. I think that quarter tab will help with that... comments here on this one if my thinking is incorrect.

Glucose I'm not familiar with this. I know that long term hypo is at risk for insulin resistance. I have Type II diabetes on my fathers side of the family. So need comments on this one.

Glucose 110 60 - 99

Cholesterol. Again. Chronic low thyroid causes problems with this. But I thought for a 'junk food free' as I am this would be better. Comments here, please...

Cholesterol 227 < 200

Triglycerides don't look good, but I have no idea what it means, help, please

Triglyceride 279 < 150

Okay.. that's it for now... I want to read through the rest of it and see what it all means.

I'm sincere. I REALLY want comments on this, please..

Topper () *who starts the new dose TODAY!!!!*

4.

Laboratory Results

Test Code

Description

Result

Range

Units

2908

NEUTROPHILS

65

42 - 77

%

2910

LYMPHOCYTES

26

16 - 43

%

2912

MONOCYTES

6

4 - 12

%

2914

EOSINOPHILS

3

0 - 8

%

2916

BASOPHILS

0

0 - 3

%

2930

WBC

7.8

4.0 - 11.0

K/MCL

2932

RBC

4.30

3.70 - 5.10

MILLION/MCL

2934

HGB

12.8

11.0 - 15.0

G/DL

2936

HCT

39.5

35.0 - 46.0

%

2938

MCV

92

81 - 103

FL

2940

MCH

29.8

26.0 - 35.0

PG

2942

MCHC

32.4

30.0 - 37.0

G/DL

2944

PLATELET COUNT

386

130 - 400

K/MCL

2950

RDW

14.0

11.5 - 14.5

%

3050

ALT (SGPT)

30

< 45 -

U/L

3052

ALBUMIN

4.1

3.7 - 5.2

G/DL

3053

GLOBULIN

3.2

1.8 - 3.5

G/DL

3054

ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE

66

40 - 125

U/L

3056

AST (SGOT)

24

< 45 -

U/L

3058

BUN

15

< 23 -

MG/DL

3060

CALCIUM

9.2

8.5 - 10.5

MG/DL

3062

CHLORIDE

103

98 - 109

MEQ/L

3064

CHOLESTEROL

227

< 200 -

MG/DL

3066

CREATININE

0.8

< 1.5 -

MG/DL

3070

GGT

17

< 45 -

U/L

3072

GLUCOSE

110

60 - 99

MG/DL

3074

IRON

70

35 - 185

MCG/DL

3078

LDH

173

119 - 223

U/L

3080

PHOSPHORUS

3.1

2.8 - 4.7

MG/DL

3082

POTASSIUM

4.9

3.6 - 5.2

MEQ/L

3084

SODIUM

141

136 - 146

MEQ/L

3086

TOTAL BILIRUBIN

0.5

0.2 - 1.3

MG/DL

3087

A/G RATIO

1.3

1 - 2.5

3088

TOTAL PROTEIN

7.3

6.2 - 8.3

G/DL

*** NEW REFERENCE RANGE FOR TOTAL PROTEIN - EFFECTIVE 11/20/04 ***

3090

TRIGLYCERIDES

279

< 150 -

MG/DL

3092

URIC ACID

6.4

2.5 - 6.8

MG/DL

3094

HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED

3096

LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO LIPEMIA DETECTED

3098

ICTERIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO ICTERUS DETECTED

3657

HDL CHOLESTEROL

46

> 39 -

MG/DL

3659

CHOL/HDL RATIO

4.9

< 5.0 -

3661

LDL CHOLESTEROL

125

< 130 -

MG/DL

3663

LDL/HDL RATIO

2.72

< 3.25 -

3664

VLDL, CALCULATED

56

< 30 -

MG/DL

3691

FERRITIN

39

10 - 291

NG/ML

3693

FREE THYROXINE (FT4)

0.9

0.8 - 1.8

NG/DL

4114

BICARBONATE

24

21 - 30

MEQ/L

4145

TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE

2.9

2.3 - 4.2

PG/ML

4536

TSH (3RD GENERATION)

0.333

0.35 - 5.50

MCIU/ML

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Topper-

The blood sugar (glucose) is too high. You would need to do a

Glucose Tolerance test with Insulin Draws to see if you are insulin

resistent. Without an Insulin level you cannot know if you are

insulin resistant. One way to find out what you glucose level has

been over the last several weeks is to get a Hemoglobin A1C. It

gives you an average blood glucose level and should be under 5.7.

From what I know undertreated thyroid can cause diabetes. It appears

you are borderline as I am. You need to eat a balanced meal of

carbs, protein and veggies each time you eat. Do you have any

symptoms? I thought I had low blood sugar and when I found out it

was high I was shocked but I guess it can actually feel the same.

Hope this helps. Take care. nne

>

> Glucose I'm not familiar with this. I know that long term hypo is

at risk

> for insulin resistance. I have Type II diabetes on my fathers side

of the

> family. So need comments on this one.

>

> Glucose 110 60 - 99

>

>

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All glucose tests are done according to a fasting baseline. It used to be that anything between 60-120 was considered normal. Above 120 was heading towards diabetic. Now, they are saying that anything above 100 needs attention. But at that stage, my personal opinion is that medications would be unnecessary. Dietary and lifestyle changes can drop it by enough to be acceptable.

A little exercise, or cutting out high glycemic index foods (refined carbs) usually will help.

My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

My results are in..... For those that are not familiar with me. I'm 47, had my thyroid destroyed by RAI 15 years ago. I have a genetic defect in TSH receptors causing my thyroid to produce uncontrolled. I was hyper from puberty until I went into thyroid storm around age 30, I was in storm for over a year, the first doc I saw told me that I was too fat to be sick and told me to go home, ignoring my symptoms.

I was treated by docs with Synthroid for the first 10 years after RAI. I ended up on crutches with horrid hypo symptoms. Told by the docs that my problems were all mental, I was lazy, irresponsible and fat cause I over ate. My dosage was held at 200 mcg even though my weight increased over 150 pounds during those years.

I was without insurance, doctor care, labs and meds for the better part of three years. Things got very very bad. Heart rate was a weak 50, temp was well below 97, severe insomnia, shallow slow breathing at 10. Very little physical endurance. Had to sit on a chair to do dishes... the list goes on.

I found a source for natural thyroid in July of '02 and began self treating. Basing my dosage adjustments on basals and observation I've gradually worked to this point. No crutches, walking as far as a mile and a half, no chair to do dishes, able to shower, walk up and down stairs..... hair growing and filling in again, gradual weight loss. Better skin, better digestion. Sleep, blessed, blissful, restorative sleep WITH dreams!!! Chronic pain is gone. Waking pain is gone. Chronic headaches are gone. Improvement list goes on .....

I'm very hyper sensitive to dosage adjustments. It took and endo two years to get me to be able to take my Synthroid in a single dose a day. Today I still react pretty strongly to adjustments and missing doses. Although I was very surprised that I did so well during the fast and lack of meds during the hours preceding my blood draw Monday morning.

These are the first labs that I've had done (financial issues) since May of '97.

I have posted all the results but here are the ones that I had predicted, and my thoughts on the results.

I said that my thyroids were getting close but still low

TSH .333 .35 - 5.50

Free T4 .9 .8 - 1.8

Free T3 2.9 2.3 - 4.2

I was wrong, I'm lower than I expected. I guess it doesn't surprise me. I went mildly hyper during after my two increases. Which suggests to me that I'm still hyper sensitive to adjustments. Not unexpected. I've reduced my selenium, because I'm running out, I'm at about half of what I want to be taking and the Free T3 level reflects that. I'd not had a dose of thyroid for almost 14 hours at the time of the draw, so these numbers are reflecting my actual levels and not what I'd taken.

I'm actually very pleased with these results. The confirm what I've felt, that I do need a higher dose, but I admit they are lower than I expected. I'm currently at 3 1/2 grain of generic natural. Because of my sensitivity to adjustments I'll begin with adding 1/2 grain every other day in 2 weeks I'll go to every day (I have 2 grain tabs, so 1/2 grain is the smallest increase I can do, 1/4 tab). I'll hold at that for 4 weeks to see how my body is adjusting to the increase. If all is well and my pulse and temps stabilize again. I'll prepare to increase by another 1/2 grain every other day, etc.

I've charted my previous adjustments. I routinely have a slight rise in basal temp for a few days after an increase, then it comes down again, same with pulse rate. Once that all stabilizes again. I just wait for my body to adjust..

For me, to go from 2 grain to 2 1/2 grain was a long one... it took 12 weeks on 2 grain before I felt my system was ready to go to 2 1/2. The change from 3 to 3 1/2 was also a hard one. The first two times I tried I went mildly hyper. The third time it took. I've been holding at this dose since last September, not because I thought it was the correct dose but because I was hoping to get a ride in for labs to see where I was. To get the most accurate lab results it's best to be stable on the same meds and supplements dose for at 4 to 6 weeks.. I chose a minimum of 6 weeks.

I've felt much better this winter than I have in many many years.. I started shoveling driveways again. I was slow, had to do it in sections, was sore after... but it's the first time since the mid 90's that I even wanted to try. I was still under doc's care back then too, and declining in health.

Okay. Iron/Ferritin. I expected that to be on the low side

Iron 70 35 - 185

Ferritin 39 10 - 291

I've been out of iron for 4 or 5 months, relying on diet and what's in my multi's. I'll need to get to town and get more and get back on it.

Calcium, I didn't make a call on, I don't think. I do some dairy and take 600 mg daily. I'll be increasing that by about 125 mg (a quarter of the chewable tabs that I already have)

Calcium 9.2 8.5 - 10.5

I don't think this value is low BUT I'm 47 and will be starting menopause one of these days. I'd like to be a bit higher in this. I think that quarter tab will help with that... comments here on this one if my thinking is incorrect.

Glucose I'm not familiar with this. I know that long term hypo is at risk for insulin resistance. I have Type II diabetes on my fathers side of the family. So need comments on this one.

Glucose 110 60 - 99

Cholesterol. Again. Chronic low thyroid causes problems with this. But I thought for a 'junk food free' as I am this would be better. Comments here, please...

Cholesterol 227 < 200

Triglycerides don't look good, but I have no idea what it means, help, please

Triglyceride 279 < 150

Okay.. that's it for now... I want to read through the rest of it and see what it all means.

I'm sincere. I REALLY want comments on this, please..

Topper () *who starts the new dose TODAY!!!!*

4.

Laboratory Results

Test Code

Description

Result

Range

Units

2908

NEUTROPHILS

65

42 - 77

%

2910

LYMPHOCYTES

26

16 - 43

%

2912

MONOCYTES

6

4 - 12

%

2914

EOSINOPHILS

3

0 - 8

%

2916

BASOPHILS

0

0 - 3

%

2930

WBC

7.8

4.0 - 11.0

K/MCL

2932

RBC

4.30

3.70 - 5.10

MILLION/MCL

2934

HGB

12.8

11.0 - 15.0

G/DL

2936

HCT

39.5

35.0 - 46.0

%

2938

MCV

92

81 - 103

FL

2940

MCH

29.8

26.0 - 35.0

PG

2942

MCHC

32.4

30.0 - 37.0

G/DL

2944

PLATELET COUNT

386

130 - 400

K/MCL

2950

RDW

14.0

11.5 - 14.5

%

3050

ALT (SGPT)

30

< 45 -

U/L

3052

ALBUMIN

4.1

3.7 - 5.2

G/DL

3053

GLOBULIN

3.2

1.8 - 3.5

G/DL

3054

ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE

66

40 - 125

U/L

3056

AST (SGOT)

24

< 45 -

U/L

3058

BUN

15

< 23 -

MG/DL

3060

CALCIUM

9.2

8.5 - 10.5

MG/DL

3062

CHLORIDE

103

98 - 109

MEQ/L

3064

CHOLESTEROL

227

< 200 -

MG/DL

3066

CREATININE

0.8

< 1.5 -

MG/DL

3070

GGT

17

< 45 -

U/L

3072

GLUCOSE

110

60 - 99

MG/DL

3074

IRON

70

35 - 185

MCG/DL

3078

LDH

173

119 - 223

U/L

3080

PHOSPHORUS

3.1

2.8 - 4.7

MG/DL

3082

POTASSIUM

4.9

3.6 - 5.2

MEQ/L

3084

SODIUM

141

136 - 146

MEQ/L

3086

TOTAL BILIRUBIN

0.5

0.2 - 1.3

MG/DL

3087

A/G RATIO

1.3

1 - 2.5

3088

TOTAL PROTEIN

7.3

6.2 - 8.3

G/DL

*** NEW REFERENCE RANGE FOR TOTAL PROTEIN - EFFECTIVE 11/20/04 ***

3090

TRIGLYCERIDES

279

< 150 -

MG/DL

3092

URIC ACID

6.4

2.5 - 6.8

MG/DL

3094

HEMOLYTIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO HEMOLYSIS DETECTED

3096

LIPEMIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO LIPEMIA DETECTED

3098

ICTERIC SRM APPEAR

-

NO ICTERUS DETECTED

3657

HDL CHOLESTEROL

46

> 39 -

MG/DL

3659

CHOL/HDL RATIO

4.9

< 5.0 -

3661

LDL CHOLESTEROL

125

< 130 -

MG/DL

3663

LDL/HDL RATIO

2.72

< 3.25 -

3664

VLDL, CALCULATED

56

< 30 -

MG/DL

3691

FERRITIN

39

10 - 291

NG/ML

3693

FREE THYROXINE (FT4)

0.9

0.8 - 1.8

NG/DL

4114

BICARBONATE

24

21 - 30

MEQ/L

4145

TRIIODOTHYRONINE FREE

2.9

2.3 - 4.2

PG/ML

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I'm gonna have to figure out just what to do about it.... I have nearly a week's notice that I had a ride available to go for the labs (thanks Carol!!) and I was very good about sticking to my regular foods, no treats, no cheating... just average good eating. So I'm not sure what to cut out.

There is one thing that I did that I don't think would be an issue, but I'll mention it because it was something that I did. During the ride over I took a tic tac.... what are they like 2 calories.... that shouldn't have made a difference....

I had been drinking filtered water... I was on the first full day of my period.

I was scared silly about the needle....

I guess I'll just have to do something thinking about what I can do different.

Suggestions welcome, btw....

My budget doesn't allow much in the way of fresh fruits or vegies.... That makes it harder, I think, to figure out what to adjust... Unless I reduce portion sizes more and eat more frequently. That would put less into my system at one time and maybe there would be enough insulin to deal with the sugars that way?

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:11:39 -0600 Jeannie writes:

Topper,

I am pre-diabetic and at the moment control it with diet. My doctor has told me to get concerned anytime my blood sugar (glucose) is over 100. I would think that 110 was quite high, especially given that you were fasting.

Jeannie

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I get the shakes when I don't eat for a while... I have a problem with getting tooo involved when I'm trouble shooting computers and sometimes miss meals.

I'm pretty good about keeping things as balanced as I can. If I'm planning on sweets I eat protein first.....

I remember, wayyyyyy back sometime, that a person that is stressed/afraid/panicked can have weird blood sugar... anybody ever heard anything like that. I never really thought much about it at the time I read it and don't even know what I was researching when I ran across it.

I'll be watching for dropped money bags a little closer I guess... Costs money to eat better.

*sigh*

I used to get screened roughly once a year up until about '98... so even though I'm not shocked, considering family history, I wasn't exactly expecting it either....

Topper ()

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:12:25 -0000 "mariannesk2003" writes:

Topper-The blood sugar (glucose) is too high. You would need to do a Glucose Tolerance test with Insulin Draws to see if you are insulin resistent. Without an Insulin level you cannot know if you are insulin resistant. One way to find out what you glucose level has been over the last several weeks is to get a Hemoglobin A1C. It gives you an average blood glucose level and should be under 5.7. From what I know undertreated thyroid can cause diabetes. It appears you are borderline as I am. You need to eat a balanced meal of carbs, protein and veggies each time you eat. Do you have any symptoms? I thought I had low blood sugar and when I found out it was high I was shocked but I guess it can actually feel the same. Hope this helps. Take care. nne

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Now that you mention that.. I don't do much in the way of calorie burning exercise. That's gonna have to be my major change. I just don't see anything major I can see by way of change in my diet. I do bake but I don't pig out on the stuff...

So... have to start getting a lot more serious about exercise.. .I'm getting better with being up and about more... the weather is getting better.... The problem will hit again when it starts getting hot out... I don't handle heat well... but I'll cross that bridge when I have to....

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:29:52 -0800 "J Sisemore" writes:

All glucose tests are done according to a fasting baseline. It used to be that anything between 60-120 was considered normal. Above 120 was heading towards diabetic. Now, they are saying that anything above 100 needs attention. But at that stage, my personal opinion is that medications would be unnecessary. Dietary and lifestyle changes can drop it by enough to be acceptable.

A little exercise, or cutting out high glycemic index foods (refined carbs) usually will help.

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I'll be watchin' for ya!!! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:21:27 -0800 writes:

Oooooooooooh Topper this is so exciting!I want to comment, but I need to work, one, and process, two, so itwill be lunchtime or so when I get to it.Hang in there! I'm sure lots of other folks will have comments too.*hugs* in LA

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> I'm gonna have to figure out just what to do about it.... I have nearly a

> week's notice that I had a ride available to go for the labs (thanks

> Carol!!) and I was very good about sticking to my regular foods, no treats,

> no cheating... just average good eating. So I'm not sure what to cut out.

>

> There is one thing that I did that I don't think would be an issue, but I'll

> mention it because it was something that I did. During the ride over I took

> a tic tac.... what are they like 2 calories.... that shouldn't have made a

> difference....

>

> I had been drinking filtered water... I was on the first full day of my

> period.

>

> I was scared silly about the needle....

>

> I guess I'll just have to do something thinking about what I can do

> different.

>

> Suggestions welcome, btw....

>

> My budget doesn't allow much in the way of fresh fruits or vegies.... That

> makes it harder, I think, to figure out what to adjust... Unless I reduce

> portion sizes more and eat more frequently. That would put less into my

> system at one time and maybe there would be enough insulin to deal with the

> sugars that way?

>

> Topper ()

Hi Topper,

I am finally getting around to having the time to comment on this, and

most of what I would have said has already been said. So, I'll add in

my experience here.

As you probably know, I am hypoglycemic. I have reactive

hypoglycemia, which is commonly regarded as a precusor to diabetes. I

also have a strong family history of diabetes (almost 100% on my dad's

side!) so I tend to watch for these things.

Right now what I'm doing that seems to work well in controlling

symptoms is the mini meals thing. But I eat probably 6-8 times a day,

and when I'm doing it right it's pretty heavy on protein and low on

general carbs. I know with your situation you've adapted that with

more carbs but still concentrated on protein, and I think that's

probably the best thing you can do. Honestly, given all the

constraints of your situation, I think you're doing a GREAT job at

controlling your symptoms and living reasonably well. :-)

The only thing I'd be more aware of is that skipping meals thing.

It's tough, but even when I'm NOT hungry (and I rarely have an

appetite, wheee!) I have to eat on schedule. Even an hour fluctuation

from day to day can make me spacey or off kilter. Sounds strange but

it's true. That and the fact that you're dosing so often, to me point

to smaller more frequent meals.

You're doing six a day though now, right? I would think that should

work pretty well. Maybe play with the timing and spacing of those

.......... I tend to snack more often in the mornings, eat a heavier

lunch, and taper off toward the end of the day myself, but this is

what I've found works for me. And lo and behold, when I do that? I

actually get hungry once in a while. That's how I know things are

working.

Beyond that ......... keep on keepin' on!!

in LA

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Right now I eat between 5 and 7 a day. Depending on the meals I've set up. I usually do them two days at a time, my little containers in stacks in the fridge. I want my total calories around 2200. So the number of meals is dependant on the rough calorie count of each and the number of meals to reach around 2200. The maintenance calories for my goal weight is 3300 (for a 'normal' person) So I subtracted from that number to come up with a guideline for myself, 2200.

I've decided to go back to my penny stacks. I got out of the habit. I have a stack of pennies that represents the number of glasses of water than I plan to drink for the day. Each time I empty a glass I move the penny from the 'should' pile to the 'did' pile. It's a dumb visual but it works for me, I spend most of my time in front of the computers, true, but I drink filtered water from a pitcher, so the pennies are on the desk, near where I keep my pitcher (I drink room temp water, better for the body). Increasing water (I have a problem many days with drinking as much as I should) will help a bit with high blood sugar, too, I think.....

Setting up meals is a challenge when money is really tight. The two main staples are rice, purchased in bulk (30 pound sacks) for around $4.50 a sack, and turkey burger at .69 a pound. I don't get much refrigerator space and often only get groceries once a month. House hold temp is usually around 80, so fresh stuff doesn't last long.

Today I'm making a 'treat' food, at least for me it's a treat... oatmeal crusted turkey burger.... yum.... I made some a bit over a week ago... Need to make some again.

I've been using oatmeal in all kinds of stuff.. that's supposed to help a lot with cholesterol and such. I'll be kicking it up a notch more and adding it to my bread. That too is a cheap food... home made bread, made with egg and milk to kick up the protein content and make it more substantial. It's nothing like the white chemical fluff they sell in the store.

I think I'll get back into bean burgers too. ... too much running through my head....

I do pretty well with keeping on schedule, with meals. Since I dose 7 times a day I pretty much have to keep things on time to not end up with a domino effect and mess up everything! hehehehe

I've been thinking about that too, the multidosing.. is that something that is so necessary for me cause my T3 is too low, cause my total daily dose is still too low? Rather makes sense... the direct T3 that I'm taking every few hours is making up for the inadequate conversion due to low total dose... So that is kinda cool, that may be I can cut down on the number of doses during the day when I get my total up to where it should be.....

....and the BEST part? Considering the weight that I've already lost, while hypo, just imagine how much easier it's gonna be when my dosage goes up!!! Cool?

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:10:22 -0800 writes:

Hi Topper,I am finally getting around to having the time to comment on this, andmost of what I would have said has already been said. So, I'll add inmy experience here.As you probably know, I am hypoglycemic. I have reactivehypoglycemia, which is commonly regarded as a precusor to diabetes. Ialso have a strong family history of diabetes (almost 100% on my dad'sside!) so I tend to watch for these things.Right now what I'm doing that seems to work well in controllingsymptoms is the mini meals thing. But I eat probably 6-8 times a day,and when I'm doing it right it's pretty heavy on protein and low ongeneral carbs. I know with your situation you've adapted that withmore carbs but still concentrated on protein, and I think that'sprobably the best thing you can do. Honestly, given all theconstraints of your situation, I think you're doing a GREAT job atcontrolling your symptoms and living reasonably well. :-)The only thing I'd be more aware of is that skipping meals thing. It's tough, but even when I'm NOT hungry (and I rarely have anappetite, wheee!) I have to eat on schedule. Even an hour fluctuationfrom day to day can make me spacey or off kilter. Sounds strange butit's true. That and the fact that you're dosing so often, to me pointto smaller more frequent meals.You're doing six a day though now, right? I would think that shouldwork pretty well. Maybe play with the timing and spacing of those......... I tend to snack more often in the mornings, eat a heavierlunch, and taper off toward the end of the day myself, but this iswhat I've found works for me. And lo and behold, when I do that? Iactually get hungry once in a while. That's how I know things areworking.Beyond that ......... keep on keepin' on!! in LA

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The penny stacks sounds like a great idea! And yes, drinking *enough*

water will keep your system flushed and clean, which is always a plus.

Five to seven should be a good thing. I thought you had it pretty

well down, but I just wanted that reminder.

And yes, the office anxiety could be a reason for elevated glucose --

it's a panic response to be sure. When my best friend's mom went in

for one of her appointments as she was being diagnosed for breast

cancer, her glucose measured........... 900! That's coma level in

case you're wondering. So while I'd be aware of this I wouldn't

discount that you're in the higher end of the range. Especially with

any family history.

How are your mini meals on the glycemic index? The reason I ask

............. y our indication of shakiness at missed meals and similar

symptoms makes me wonder if you might be borderline hypoglycemic too.

You may not be, I don't know, but it might be worth the research and

observation of your own symptoms and timing. That, I know you are

great at!!! Sounds like you're eating plenty, and well often enough,

so if you find that you're still having symptoms or that you are

consistently higher in glucose, you may want to look at the glycemic

index stuff. Although, with your oatmeal and protein added and all

the other wonderful things you are already doing, you're probably in a

decent range there too.

OK I think that's all the brain dump I have in me right now. You're

doing great, though, I just wanted to tell you that again.

And yes, very cool.

in LA

> Right now I eat between 5 and 7 a day. Depending on the meals I've set up. I

> usually do them two days at a time, my little containers in stacks in the

> fridge. I want my total calories around 2200. So the number of meals is

> dependant on the rough calorie count of each and the number of meals to

> reach around 2200. The maintenance calories for my goal weight is 3300 (for

> a 'normal' person) So I subtracted from that number to come up with a

> guideline for myself, 2200.

>

> I've decided to go back to my penny stacks. I got out of the habit. I have a

> stack of pennies that represents the number of glasses of water than I plan

> to drink for the day. Each time I empty a glass I move the penny from the

> 'should' pile to the 'did' pile. It's a dumb visual but it works for me, I

> spend most of my time in front of the computers, true, but I drink filtered

> water from a pitcher, so the pennies are on the desk, near where I keep my

> pitcher (I drink room temp water, better for the body). Increasing water (I

> have a problem many days with drinking as much as I should) will help a bit

> with high blood sugar, too, I think.....

> I've been thinking about that too, the multidosing.. is that something that

> is so necessary for me cause my T3 is too low, cause my total daily dose is

> still too low? Rather makes sense... the direct T3 that I'm taking every few

> hours is making up for the inadequate conversion due to low total dose... So

> that is kinda cool, that may be I can cut down on the number of doses during

> the day when I get my total up to where it should be.....

>

> ...and the BEST part? Considering the weight that I've already lost, while

> hypo, just imagine how much easier it's gonna be when my dosage goes up!!!

> Cool?

>

> Topper ()

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Pard, a thought.....

were you still eating pretty much low carb before the tests or were you back to your normal eating ?

Re: My labs are in, I've put in my comments, now I want yours - PLEASE.... LONG

Right now I eat between 5 and 7 a day. Depending on the meals I've set up. I usually do them two days at a time, my little containers in stacks in the fridge. I want my total calories around 2200. So the number of meals is dependant on the rough calorie count of each and the number of meals to reach around 2200. The maintenance calories for my goal weight is 3300 (for a 'normal' person) So I subtracted from that number to come up with a guideline for myself, 2200.

I've decided to go back to my penny stacks. I got out of the habit. I have a stack of pennies that represents the number of glasses of water than I plan to drink for the day. Each time I empty a glass I move the penny from the 'should' pile to the 'did' pile. It's a dumb visual but it works for me, I spend most of my time in front of the computers, true, but I drink filtered water from a pitcher, so the pennies are on the desk, near where I keep my pitcher (I drink room temp water, better for the body). Increasing water (I have a problem many days with drinking as much as I should) will help a bit with high blood sugar, too, I think.....

Setting up meals is a challenge when money is really tight. The two main staples are rice, purchased in bulk (30 pound sacks) for around $4.50 a sack, and turkey burger at .69 a pound. I don't get much refrigerator space and often only get groceries once a month. House hold temp is usually around 80, so fresh stuff doesn't last long.

Today I'm making a 'treat' food, at least for me it's a treat... oatmeal crusted turkey burger.... yum.... I made some a bit over a week ago... Need to make some again.

I've been using oatmeal in all kinds of stuff.. that's supposed to help a lot with cholesterol and such. I'll be kicking it up a notch more and adding it to my bread. That too is a cheap food... home made bread, made with egg and milk to kick up the protein content and make it more substantial. It's nothing like the white chemical fluff they sell in the store.

I think I'll get back into bean burgers too. ... too much running through my head....

I do pretty well with keeping on schedule, with meals. Since I dose 7 times a day I pretty much have to keep things on time to not end up with a domino effect and mess up everything! hehehehe

I've been thinking about that too, the multidosing.. is that something that is so necessary for me cause my T3 is too low, cause my total daily dose is still too low? Rather makes sense... the direct T3 that I'm taking every few hours is making up for the inadequate conversion due to low total dose... So that is kinda cool, that may be I can cut down on the number of doses during the day when I get my total up to where it should be.....

....and the BEST part? Considering the weight that I've already lost, while hypo, just imagine how much easier it's gonna be when my dosage goes up!!! Cool?

Topper ()

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:10:22 -0800 writes:

Hi Topper,I am finally getting around to having the time to comment on this, andmost of what I would have said has already been said. So, I'll add inmy experience here.As you probably know, I am hypoglycemic. I have reactivehypoglycemia, which is commonly regarded as a precusor to diabetes. Ialso have a strong family history of diabetes (almost 100% on my dad'sside!) so I tend to watch for these things.Right now what I'm doing that seems to work well in controllingsymptoms is the mini meals thing. But I eat probably 6-8 times a day,and when I'm doing it right it's pretty heavy on protein and low ongeneral carbs. I know with your situation you've adapted that withmore carbs but still concentrated on protein, and I think that'sprobably the best thing you can do. Honestly, given all theconstraints of your situation, I think you're doing a GREAT job atcontrolling your symptoms and living reasonably well. :-)The only thing I'd be more aware of is that skipping meals thing. It's tough, but even when I'm NOT hungry (and I rarely have anappetite, wheee!) I have to eat on schedule. Even an hour fluctuationfrom day to day can make me spacey or off kilter. Sounds strange butit's true. That and the fact that you're dosing so often, to me pointto smaller more frequent meals.You're doing six a day though now, right? I would think that shouldwork pretty well. Maybe play with the timing and spacing of those......... I tend to snack more often in the mornings, eat a heavierlunch, and taper off toward the end of the day myself, but this iswhat I've found works for me. And lo and behold, when I do that? Iactually get hungry once in a while. That's how I know things areworking.Beyond that ......... keep on keepin' on!! in LA