Re: CLA / Ang

[Guest guest]

It is made from sunfower seed I believe. I get mine from the

vitamineshoppe.com It's the quality and prise I found best so far.

I just recieved my last order today, but next time I get an order

filled I'll post here and ask if anyone needs anything....I can give

as many e-mail addresses as I was with my orders and each person gets

a 10$ off coupon on anything they choose.

Ang

sbuddies2 , kmh105 <no_reply@y...> wrote:

> Thank-you sooo much for the post about CLA Ang! Now THAT makes

> sense and I hope that I can feel as good as you do when I find

> this....if I can find it. LOL!! Only thing I'm concerned about

> is...This is derived from beef right?? I have IBS (irritable bowel

> syndrome) and CAN'T eat beef at all! Hoping this wouldn't upset it

> so I better check with the health food store BEFORE I start taking

> it. Oh sorry....thinking aloud again. LOL!!!! You siad that you

> didn't exercise!!!!! Really??!!! I'm sooo pleased this has worked

> for you Ang and I WILL be looking for it. I think Gena may have

> told me about it ages ago but I forgot about it...oooopps! Thanks

> again for the info mate and you keep up the brillant work of

keeping

> your weight off forever! Take care..

>

>

[Guest guest]

Did i miss the explanation of what this is? is it a vitamin pill or

something? a food supplement? is it supposed to help you loose the

weight? sorry if i missed all that...heh

Amy

> It is made from sunfower seed I believe. I get mine from the

> vitamineshoppe.com It's the quality and prise I found best so

far.

> I just recieved my last order today, but next time I get an order

> filled I'll post here and ask if anyone needs anything....I can

give

> as many e-mail addresses as I was with my orders and each person

gets

> a 10$ off coupon on anything they choose.

> Ang

>

[Guest guest]

LMAO - yep you missed it. LOL. Let me see if I can find it....

But you asked for it.....

About 60 years ago, after they discovered that cooking hamburger too

long causes carsinogics, they started looking into it to find what

exactly was in the beef that was a cancer causing agent. The team of

scientists who were working on it noticed that there was something

else in the beef itself that was fighting against this cancer causing

agent. So, they stopped looking for the carsonogen (canser causing

agent) and instead focused on the 'thing' that was naturaly in the

beef that seemed to be fighting cancer. Well - they called

this 'thing' CLA (conjugated linoleic acid).

So, thinking they had discovered a cancer cure - they started

researching the CLA. What they discovered was that is is a great

antioxident and is good to help with many other things as well (you

should be able to find lots of info on this). Once human studies

began they discovered that this essential fatty acid is one of the

things that the body uses to regulate it's fat (among other

things...they still have not discovered all of it's benefits...it

seems to have changed my life - noticalbey to both me and to those

around me). I honestly believe that if we give our bodies everything

it needs nutrition/supliment wise...that we wouldn't be too fat

(unless there is a medical condition of course). Our body will, of

course, store SOME fat - as a means of protecting iself against food

shortages and cold weather (we can combat this by whearing layers in

the winter and eating at regular intravals and eating enough -

WITHOUT FAIL.) Our bodies are not ment to carry an extra 100 pounds -

and if it had been given all it needs to regulate this fat storage

and use - chances are (I beleive), we would have gained a bit of

weight - but not as much as most of us have.

Why CLA helps with fat storge and loosing fat...

Now I'm still a baby, so to speak, when it comes to chemistry and

biology and anatomy...but I have enough years of study and school in

to get the jist :-) So although my ideas may be a bit off here and

there, I'm pretty confident that I'm pretty much on the mark. (well -

looseing almost 60 pounds without real diet or any exersice makes me

feel pretty confident anyway...)

Anyhow -

CLA is something that people 50 and 60 years ago had plenty of in

their diets. (and it wasn't often you saw a very fat person before

the 1940's-50's). Why don't we get enough CLA? Because the cows are

not grown naturaly and allowed to grase. Yester-year it was easy to

get the needed 3700mg of CLA in a few servings of beef and/or hard

milk products. Now - with 'technology' and special feed ext, a HUGE

serving of beef only contains 0.03 mg of cla and milk has 0.0! No

way we can get it naturaly now :-(

Calcium and CLA both regulate (I don't know how yet) the amount of

fat we store and what we do with that fat.

CLA will help to block your body from storing fat once it has enough

fat to concider itself " safe " . Also, if there is too much fat on the

body, taking CLA gets in there - to the fat - and breaks it down,

making it semipermiable and possible to pass into the blood stream

for use as energy.

Having this stored energy actualy used as energy (if the body is

working properly), basicaly cuts down your appitite because your body

is feeding off the energy reserves (fat). Also - because there is a

huge amount of energy sorce available at all times, the muscle is fed

and increases it's tone (I have noticed this BIG time), and you just

feel healthier, or more energenic. (I had terrible problems - cronic

fatigue and achyness, insomnia, I would wake up after any amount of

sleep so tired - and never have energy at all - none. I would be

happy to sit and do nothing all day and have no problem staying in

bed and sleeping all day) - now, I can't sit all day without being

occupied without getting figety because I actualy feel good and have

energy. Before, I ate food for energy but it wasn't being converted

to energy - only fat.

I use tonalin - and I take 6000mg to 8000 mg per day. I started at

4000mg, then increase to 5000mg, then 6000mg, the 8000mg. It doesn't

stay in the body long so you have totake it throu out the day. If

your taking 4 1000 mg tabs (which I would suggest) - take each one a

difffernt times through the day. Once I had saturated my body and

had felt and seen that it was 'kicking in', I lowered it back down to

6000mg. (I only suggest 4000mg per day to everyone else, unless you

REALY know your body well and if you are, like me, very tolorant to

all forms of rx ect. My liver seems to chew up and spit out anything

I put in - which may have something to do with my ex-large pancris.

No clue. An example - a round of antibiotics will not work unless

the strength is almost doubled. Even the strongest rx pain killers

won't get rid of a simple headach. So, as you see - I had reason to

go higher in dose.

I'm too tired to proof read - hope like heck this is clear and

understandable for you.

guitarsandpics@...

If you don't mind - I'll just copy/paist a few things here for you to

read:

In more than 200 studies worldwide, the ingredients in Tonalin® CLA

appear to provide many other health benefits. The latest research

reveals the most dramatic impact may be on the reduced risk and

incidence of breast cancer. Other beneficial effects may include

fighting prostate cancer and atherosclerosis (heart disease),

improving immune function related to asthma and allergies, and

improving blood sugar control to help treat diabetes.

Tonalin® CLA is completely natural; it contains no artificial

ingredients. While CLA naturally occurs most abundantly in beef and

dairy fats, Natural Inc. creates Tonalin® CLA using a proprietary

process that converts the linoleic acid in natural safflower oil into

conjugated linoleic acid, which is the same molecule as naturally

occurring CLA.

Studies show that CLA (the active ingredient in Tonalin® CLA) works

three ways to help you achieve your diet goals.

CLA interferes with a substance in your body called lipoprotein

lipase that helps store fat in your body.

CLA helps your body use its existing fat for energy.

CLA increases lean muscle tissue, which naturally slims your body

(and makes you feel strong and healthy). And the more muscle you

have, the more calories your body uses in order to function, thereby

speeding up the fat burning process.

As a result, you get smaller in all the right places. You drop

clothes sizes. You look great. You feel great. And no yo-yo dieting

effect.

Dietary CLA has been shown to effect body composition by creating a

reduction in body fat and an enhancement of lean tissue or muscle.

According to Pariza at the University of Wisconsin, this area

of CLA research is the most supported. Recently, the research has

focused on clinical studies with much success; showing statistically

significant reduction in body fat as measured by BMI (Body Mass

Index). A significant decrease measured in waistline measured in

inches, a positive result for weight loss in mildly overweight

subjects and an increase in strength. Human clinical studies to

substantiate improved body composition have been conducted worldwide.

Positive results of CLA supplementation have been seen at research

centers worldwide.

Kent State University, University of Memphis, University of

Wisconsin, USDA Western Human Research Center, Medstat Research Ltd.

in Norway, Uppsala University in Sweden, University of Kumanoto in

Japan and University of Tours in France.

CLA appears to exert direct effects on adipocytes, which are the

principle sites of fat storage and skeletal muscle cells and are the

primary sites of fat combustion. It has been proposed that the

physiologic mechanism of body fat reduction by CLA involves

inhibition of fat storage in adipocytes coupled with elevated b-

oxidation in skeletal muscle. An overall increase in skeletal muscle

tissue may be mediated at least in part via the inhibition of immune-

induced catabolism.

CLA is a metabolically active compound that has been demonstrated to

dramatically reduce body fat and increase lean body tissue. The

mechanisms of action are not completely understood, but because CLA

has been shown to affect a wide variety of enzymes and hormones in

the body, multiple mechanisms may come into play. Numerous human

studies are in progress, which will make a stronger case for efficacy

and dose response. Expectations are high that research will

additionally show no regain of body fat lost, suggesting that

Tonalin™ CLA should be included with every diet regimen.

Not only does Tonalin® have no harmful side effects, but it's

actually good for your body. As a matter of fact, scientists

worldwide are just begining to understand CLA's wide range of

potential health benefits. Here are quick summaries of CLA's current

four principal health benefit areas.

In the early 1980s, a noted doctor, Pariza, working at the

University of Wisconsin and his colleagues discovered that CLA

interfered with the growth of cancer tumors.

Since then, a number of other studies have further shown CLA's cancer-

fighting potential. Some of these studies have shown that CLA can

suppress cancer development in animals, and in human cancer cell

lines in vitro.

Dietary CLA also seems to protective against breast cancer in humans,

as demonstrated in a large French study by Lavillonniere et. al. at

the University Francois-Rabelais. When breast adipose tissue was

collected at the time of surgery, higher levels of CLA in the control

group suggested CLA's protective effect against breast cancer. A

different study in Finland confirmed the reverse correlation between

milkfat intake, which contains CLA and breast cancer.

Over the next few years, additional studies are planned to help

further understand the role CLA may play in the fight against cancer.

Over time, cholesterol and other substances can form plaque in your

arteries, narrowing them, reducing your heart's blood supply. This is

artherosclerosis, and it can kill you.

In a collaborative study where a diet high in cholesterol was fed

along with CLA to animals, the data suggested that CLA could help

prevent artherosclerosis. By week 12, the LDL and total cholesterol

and triglyceride counts were markedly lower in the blood of the

animals fed CLA.

Other studies have indicated that CLA reduces plasma lipoproteins and

early aortic atherosclerosis in the animal model. According to Dr.

Kritchevsky at the Wistar Institute, another significant

finding is the apparent ability of CLA to reduce the severity of

preinduced atherosclerosis lesions in the animal model.

Overall, CLA has considerable potential for the prevention and

treatment of artherosclerosis, and studies continue to reveal it's

potential health benefits.

One of the most important health benefits of CLA could possibly be

its ability to affect and treat some types of diabetes. According to

Dr. Martha Belury at Purdue University and Dr. Vandel Heuvel at

Penn State University, CLA normalizes impaired glucose tolerance in

non insulin-dependent diabetes. In earlier experiments by Houseknecht

et. al., it was observed that CLA and troglitazone reversed the

symptoms of diabetes in a specific diabetic animal model. Effects

included decreased triglycerides, insulin and leptin, and improved

glucose utilization. Belury and Vanden Heuvel conclude that CLA may

represent an important agent for the treatment of Type II diabetes.

Because CLA isomers share many of the attributes of the clinical

thiazolidinedione drug, troglitazone, without exhibiting as many side

effects, CLA may represent a new insulin-sensitizing agent for

treatment of Type II diabetes.

Additional clinical studies are scheduled at many universities

worldwide in order to further explore the possibilities of using CLA

for diabetes treatment.

In 1991, evidence obtained through the collaborative efforts of Dr.

Mark Cook and Dr. Pariza at the University of Wisconsin

revealed the immune boosting potential of CLA. Feeding CLA to chicks

provided partial protection against the catabolic effects of exposure

to endotoxin. This research expanded to include rodents and supported

the fact that CLA-fed animals exhibit enhanced immune functions.

CLA is the only known nutrient that enhances the immune system and

protects against the harmful " cellular backlash " that occurs when the

immune system is stimulated.

As published in sperate issues of Cancer Research, CLA has been shown

to be an effective antioxidant in vitro according to Dr. Yeong Ha and

in vivo according to Dr. Clement Ip. Because numerous studies

indicate that oxidative reactions are associated with the development

of cancer and atherosclerosis, CLA's ability to reduce the harmful

effects of these oxidative reactions could be its most important

health benefit

In addition, research suggests that CLA may ease the inflammation

that occurs when the immune system is challenged.

Scientists have linked the steady rise in obesity in the U.S. over

the past 30 years to the reduction of CLA in our diets. There are two

reasons: Americans have substantially reduced their consumption of

beef and dairy products. Additionally, changes in beef and dairy

cattle feed (from pasture grasses to forage) have reduced their

production of CLA by 65%.

Ang

> > It is made from sunfower seed I believe. I get mine from the

> > vitamineshoppe.com It's the quality and prise I found best so

> far.

> > I just recieved my last order today, but next time I get an order

> > filled I'll post here and ask if anyone needs anything....I can

> give

> > as many e-mail addresses as I was with my orders and each person

> gets

> > a 10$ off coupon on anything they choose.

> > Ang

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh okay, sunflower seeds should be fine but I WILL check before I

buy some. As I in Australia, I'm going to ask at the local health

food store to see if they have it. Thanks again for the info Ang.

> > Thank-you sooo much for the post about CLA Ang! Now THAT makes

> > sense and I hope that I can feel as good as you do when I find

> > this....if I can find it. LOL!! Only thing I'm concerned about

> > is...This is derived from beef right?? I have IBS (irritable

bowel

> > syndrome) and CAN'T eat beef at all! Hoping this wouldn't upset

it

> > so I better check with the health food store BEFORE I start

taking

> > it. Oh sorry....thinking aloud again. LOL!!!! You siad that

you

> > didn't exercise!!!!! Really??!!! I'm sooo pleased this has

worked

> > for you Ang and I WILL be looking for it. I think Gena may have

> > told me about it ages ago but I forgot about it...oooopps!

Thanks

> > again for the info mate and you keep up the brillant work of

> keeping

> > your weight off forever! Take care..

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Your very welcome :-)

I hope it works as well for you as it does for me. I'm glad your

going to check it out. I've heard a few people say it gave them

looser bowls when they first started taking it. But in all honesty -

it never did for me, but what does happen for me is that every time I

start loosing wieght at a quick rate (say a 1/4 pound a day) I am

looser. It's silly, but it makes me wonder if the fat I'm loosing

actually 'comes out'. LOL

Ang

> > > Thank-you sooo much for the post about CLA Ang! Now THAT makes

> > > sense and I hope that I can feel as good as you do when I find

> > > this....if I can find it. LOL!! Only thing I'm concerned about

> > > is...This is derived from beef right?? I have IBS (irritable

> bowel

> > > syndrome) and CAN'T eat beef at all! Hoping this wouldn't

upset

> it

> > > so I better check with the health food store BEFORE I start

> taking

> > > it. Oh sorry....thinking aloud again. LOL!!!! You siad that

> you

> > > didn't exercise!!!!! Really??!!! I'm sooo pleased this has

> worked

> > > for you Ang and I WILL be looking for it. I think Gena may

have

> > > told me about it ages ago but I forgot about it...oooopps!

> Thanks

> > > again for the info mate and you keep up the brillant work of

> > keeping

> > > your weight off forever! Take care..

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hmmmmm....sounds like it could be Ang. Interesting........

> Your very welcome :-)

> I hope it works as well for you as it does for me. I'm glad your

> going to check it out. I've heard a few people say it gave them

> looser bowls when they first started taking it. But in all

honesty -

> it never did for me, but what does happen for me is that every

time I

> start loosing wieght at a quick rate (say a 1/4 pound a day) I am

> looser. It's silly, but it makes me wonder if the fat I'm loosing

> actually 'comes out'. LOL

> Ang

>