Amy

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Amy,

Sorry to hear that the boys weren't swimming. That seems strange since you

already have a child. How was your cm? Do you think the timing was right?

Well who knows? Hope you're doing ok. I hate it when the next step is

surgery or all these other invasive procedures. Can't we go back to the days

when we thought the month we went of bc we'd be pg!

Thinking of you,

Joleen

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Joleen,

He did not really say anything about my cm. He did ask if it was a clomid

induced cycle, so maybe that meant there was something about it. (BTW, it

wasn't. I haven't taken clomid since May.) I don't know. will do the

test on Monday. As far as timing, I don't know. I have been looking at

everything I could find about pctest, and all they say is around ovulation

but not how many days before or after it should be. My test was 2 days after

a rise in my temp (per his instructions). Does anyone know if this is the

right timing? He said I can do it again next cycle, but I don't really want

to. It was too painful and if it was a problem with timing it's not going to

be any different next cycle anyway bc he'll just have me doing it at the same

time. I can't find any info linking anything with 's thyroid to a

problem with him. His thyroid is hypoactive which is 10 times more common in

females, so the only aspect of infertility I can find is the female. Nothing

about male. Everything I've looked at overlooks males having it. So I don't

know. I guess I'll have to wait and see what the test says and if it is a

problem we'll see what the urologist says. As far as surgery being the next

step, I just don't know. According to my dr, that is probably what would

happen if I went to an RE. Maybe he's right. I won't be finding out about

that either though, bc just wants to give it more time. Funny

considering the fact that less than a week ago he said " whatever it takes " .

I don't know what changed his mind. I just can't help but think that maybe

if I go to an RE something can be done to help. Even some kind of minor

surgery and then I can get pregant on my own again. As far as thinking all

it took was just going off of bc, I told my dr as much yesterday. I told him

that on top of everything else, this is very frustrating bc I have never had

to try really. With , it just happened. I didn't try. Then the

first ep, it happened within a month or 2 of going off of the pill (much

faster than I expected) and the second ep I got pg the first month I tried.

It makes going through month after month that much more frustrating. Bc

although I've had the 2 ep and obvious problems with my tube, but I thought I

was at least pretty fertile. Now I find out that I'm not. UGH!!

Amy

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Pam,

I already looked through TCOYF. I haven't found anything. I looked at every

page that had Post Coital Test on it (according to the index). Nothing. But

from what you said, maybe I did have the test too late. I am just so

confused about it. I don't know. This is just one reason that I would like

to at least go to an RE and see what s/he has to say. It could be something

easily fixed or maybe it does just really require only time. But I'll never

know, bc as I said (probably too much over the last couple of days)

doesn't want to. I just don't get why. Why in only a week did he go from

" whatever it takes " to " I think we should just wait and see " . He told me

yesterday that he thinks if he reenlists and they tell him he won't have to

go to Korea that I will relax and then get pg. I would hope that would be

all it took. But I don't know. I feel like he has given up in a way. Maybe

he has. Maybe it's my imagination. I don't know. Am I reading too much

into this? I just don't get why he would've suddenly changed his mind.

UGH!!!

Okay. Well, I think I am just complaining about this. so I'm gonna go.

Bye!

Amy

[Guest guest]

Amy,

From everything I read about the pc test it has to be done the most

fertile day of your cycle. They are supposed to test you when you

have ewcm. If they don't the test wont be right. Only when you have

the right cm will his swimmers swim through. After ovulation your

body will kill all of his swimmers. Only during fertile time does cm

let his swimmers through your cervix. I think you had the test to

late. When I went they tested my cm and his swimmers through my cm.

They are supposed to test 2 things. The quality of your cm and can

his swimmers get through your cm and look good. I will look through

TCOYF tonight and let you know what it says. If you already ovulated

it seems it was to late and that his swimmers wouldn't be moving.

Hope this helps.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Oh goodness! I know what you mean about the pain. It's something you could

almost ignore if you weren't worried about an ectopic, but sometimes it just

grabs hold of you. Then it goes away and you wonder what you're fussing

about. I wish we all had ultrasound machines at home! You're in my

prayers.

Baby dust,

Tricia

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Joleen,

I knew there was a good reason that I posted before I went to bed

last night. This morning's test was negative, not that I'm very

surprised. After 3 neg pg tests, I'm seriously beginning to doubt

that I am pg. Like I said, the dr mentioned a few things that it

could be. But he was saying reasons why it doesn't look like a lot

of them. I think he believes that either I am pg (healthy or not) or

that I have a cyst. I'm starting to wonder about the cyst thing

myself. And when I follow up with gyn Monday if I go to the same one

I've been going to, I'm sure he won't even look for that. He'll

probably just blow me off. But I think my new primary care clinic

has an ob/gyn, so I am going to call and see if I can follow up

there. I guess we'll see Monday.

Later,

Amy

[Guest guest]

Amy

On the postive thoughts bulletin board they have one named OPK, BBT

questions. Its a great site.

Pam

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

I've had the same sorts of worries, I've got my hospital appointment on

Friday next week, so I will add that one to my list of questions. The no. of

questions I've got it could be a very long appointment. I'm not looking

forward to tomorrow Rob's duty cpl form 7am to 7am Sunday, and has to stay

in the guardroom, his granparents arrive Sunday so I guess that leaves me

with the job of getting the house ready!! It's the kids disco on at the

families club on camp tomorrow evening so me and a friend our going to take

the children down for a couple of hours. It's really hot here at the moment

so that's not helping, none of the houses have air-conditioning, and there

is hardly any breeze today so it feels really sticky, I've been in the

shower twice already today, 3 times if you count the one I had when I got in

last night!! Has got into barracks and got a phone yet?Talk to you

soon

AF ?

> Does anyone know if a really light AF could keep getting pregnant from

> happening. I know that it is not related to O, but could it mean

anything?

> Just curious.

>

> Amy

> **married to my army man,

> **mommy to earth angel (June 97)

> and 2 angel babies (June 98 and July 99)

>

>

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Hi Amy,

How are you now? My friends youngest is 20 months and I,m always the first

to rush and get her if she's crying. I think that's because she's that bit

older and not a little baby. My next door neighbour is pg and due any time

now, I know I'm going to find that difficult, because it's so hot here we

all have the windows open all the time and I know I'm going to find it hard

hearing the baby's cries especially as it's only about 2 months to my due

date. I don't begrudge other people being pg I just want to be too!! I know

it's going to hard over the next 2 weeks having my granparents in law

staying, I know we are going to be asked when we are going to have another

one, if only it were so simple!! I was on the phone to my mum last night,

she'd taken some stuff round to Nannies for her to bring out here, and

Nannie was saying she's heard of someone whose had an ep and gone on to have

4 children, it's not always that easy, I feel like we are at the start of of

a long road and don't yet know if we are going to have a positive outcome. I

feel under enough pressure myself, without getting any from other sources!!

The kid's disco was fun, they'd put on fruit cocktails for the kids and they

thought they were wonderful, so they had those, had a dance to the music and

tired themselves out so they were ready for bed when we left. Rob came off

duty this morning at 7am, he wasn't happy they'd been kept busy all night

and hadn't managed to get any sleep, but we've got stuff to sort out today

so he'll have to get up soon!! Speak to you soon

Re: Amy

> ,

> That kids disco thing sounds really fun. Maybe they'll have something

like

> that for when she gets older. is in the barracks, but he

is

> going to be moving rooms next week, so he doesn't have a phone yet. They

are

> moving all of the NCO's on the same floor, so has to wait and see

who

> he's going to be rooming with. Then he's going to get a phone. It

wouldn't

> do any good right now anyway, because they sent him to the field. He

won't

> be back unti the 1st. That's when they are doing the room moves. I am

very

> surprised at how well I'm doing without him here or calling, though. I

think

> I deserve a reward for not breaking down into tears all of the time.

> Actually I think the last time I've done any crying (other than when

> was sick the other day) was last week.

> Tonight we went to my cousin's house for dinner. It was basically my

aunt's

> kids and their husbands and kids. It was a birthday dinner for my uncle,

but

> they invited my parents and and me. Although I desperately want

> to, I still can't bear to hold her youngest son. He's a real cutie, but

it

> just makes me want to cry. It sucks to be surrounded by my super fertile

> cousins while my only successful attempts since turned out to be

> ep. I mean, this child was crying and it probably would've been the

easiest

> for me to get up and get him, but I couldn't do it. I let him scream

until

> someone else got him. I know that sounds horrible, but I was afraid that

if

> I picked him up I'd just start crying and wouldn't be able to stop.

Actually

> I'm starting to now, so I think I'll go ahead and end this here before I

end

> up flooding the floors.

>

> Amy

> **married to my army man,

> **mommy to earth angel (June 97)

> and 2 angel babies (June 98 and July 99)

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[Guest guest]

,

Babysitting was not as bad as I had expected. He was asleep when I got there

and I had hoped that he'd sleep until she got home. Of course, he didn't. I

didn't break down crying or anything, though. It was like I knew what I had

to do and I did it. I changed him, fed him, got spit up on by him, changed

him (and his clothes this time) and I just played with him the entire time.

My guess is that if someone was watching they never would have known the way

being around him really makes me feel. It's not his fault (or anyone elses

for that matter), and I didn't take my pain out on him. I still don't think

that I'll ever be the first to go pick him up when he cries though. That's

still rough, and the way I see it right now is that if there is someone else

there that can do it then I'll let them. Maybe before this year is out I'll

be comfortable around him. I do know what you mean about the baby next door.

When I had my first ep, we were living in an apartment and the girl across

the street was pg. She came home from the hospital the same day I did...

except she had a baby and I had just been told that I wouldn't. I saw her at

the pharmacy and getting in the car and then I got home and there was a big

sign on the door that said " It's a boy! " . They were very considerate,

though, and took it down as soon as they got home. I have to say that that

one gesture made it alot easier to be around them and their baby. Anyway, I

think I'm babbling and I'm gonna go now. Talk to you soon.

Amy

**married to my army man,

**mommy to earth angel (June 97)

and 2 angel babies (June 98 and July 99)