Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

[Guest guest]

I'm not real expert on this.... For some they can have adrenal fatigue and not have problems with DHEA, it can even be high... for others, both are low.

I know for me taking the adrenal glandular helped me a lot... better sleep, and as time passed, I started laughing, had a better startle response, better reflexes and can get pissed off now... where for so many years I just curled up in a ball when anything happened and NEVER laughed.

I'd been reading about DHEA and my choice to use it stemmed from it being involved with sex hormones. Within weeks of starting I got my 'grown up body hair' coming back in. Most noticeably leg hair, but underarm and pubic hair filled in again, they way it should be. I've made a few other changes that may be contributing, but my periods are regular as clock work, last only four days, I have ZERO pms, no cramps, sometimes some lower back pain if I'm over doing, no breast tenderness. The only way I know my period is coming is to check the calendar, I don't have any symptoms. I'm down to 1/4 tab (6 1/4 ) until the bottle is used up.. I don't think I need it anymore.

This is strictly my opinion, and I've said this a few times before so you may want to skip....

Natural thyroid is a whole desiccated glandular, giving us all the thyroid hormones in a form that is readily accessible to our bodies. The adrenal glandular I'm taking is also a whole desiccated glandular, nothing else in it, just tableting agents. Nothing to stimulate the gland or system, just the hormones that the gland isn't making enough of. It's my belief that it too is easily used by the body and that's why I've done so well on it... my body takes from it what it needs to produce what it needs.

Now... I also believe that a body that is in rough shape from being underdosed for a period of time (years) and has depleted it's reserves and has not been functioning properly needs a bit of TLC. Here, again, I'm getting back to multi-dosing and proper timing. It's individual for all of us, we have to tailor our dosing and schedules to our body's needs as well as our life style. But I honestly believe that many would benefit by doing a bit of experimenting with the timing/frequency of dosing.

The trick is that some of this stuff you can't do for a day or a week.. you have to give your body time to react to the adjustments. That's where a journal and charting comes in to play. So that you can SEE what is going on and not just reflect, or remember, what you've been feeling like the last month or two...

When you consider that for many the effects of low thyroid or low adrenal hormones takes months and years to affect us enough to cause us to go to the doc, it's simply logical that it may take months or years for the body to come back once you give it what it needs.

For adrenal fatigue, depending on the degree, it can take two years for the glands to recover. For some it's less, for others, it's more. It depends on damage, if any, to the glands, your lifestyle and stress level. How consistent you are with caring for your body - proper meds, supplements, keeping stress down, eating healthy food regularly...

I can look back at myself before... I couldn't deal with anything... I'd just sit and either be numb or cry. How do I know that this is adrenal? After my RAI everything slowed down (I'd been in thyroid storm after years of being hyper) and that was expected. But my emotions went away, they just didn't come back. Even after years on synthetics, they just never came back. This is hard to explain.. hard to describe..... I just knew that something was not right. But, of course, the docs don't care... it's 'here, just take this, it will make you just like you were before'.. yeah, right... I believed them and took that little pill every morning...

I started on Adrenal support based on the theory that I'd been underdosed for years that it only sounded logical that my adrenals were shot. I noticed a difference right away. Like a switch had been turned on. That was two years ago, in November. The problem that I had was that my body was SO out of shape that I was just a physical wreck. I'd been on Natural thyroid for four months and was gradually working my dose up... and then started on the adrenal and I felt fantastic. I was just scurrying around the house, doing things that I'd not done for years..... it took about four weeks, then I crashed. My body was totally exhausted. It didn't have the stamina, strength or endurance to be so physical after so many years of being so 'sick'... I was falling down, my legs buckling, when I tried to walk, could peek an apple.... I stopped the adrenal for a couple of months and then started up again in February of '03 at a smaller dose, 1/4 tab, until I worked up to 1 1/2 tabs this last spring (so about a year to work up to that). It was March and April of '03 that my leg hair started filling in.... the rest soon after that.

Finances has brought me down to 3/4 of a tab a day. I'm getting by.. but I'd rather be on more... My problem now is the stress level in my life and that I can't do much about it...

If I stick to a schedule, getting to bed on time, waking up at my regular time, take my thyroid and adrenal on time (give or take a half hour), eat my mini meals... I do really good. Yesterday I over did... I was jumping up and down from my chair, going between computer and software shelf getting stuff set up for an upcoming project. I was really sore last night.. my hamstrings.... enough to be uncomfortable..... but I woke up this morning feeling just fine. My body is able to recover and heal during sleep.... I can still remember when something like that would have had me chair bound and in pain for a couple of weeks...

I know I REALLY went off on a ramble... sorry... but sometimes you guys say something that gets my brain to leak... and it ends up here.....

I'll stop now.! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:14:09 -0800 "J Sisemore" writes:

DHEA is one part of what is put out by the adrenals.. it's a precursor to the sex hormones... it's not what's involved with the adrenal fatigue issues

So is there a connection at all between low DHEA levels and adrenal fatigue? Someone had told me there was. My levels had been quite high, and are now in the very low end.

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper,

I am thinking of taking the adrenal glandulars without the licorice.

Do you know what dose I should start with? How long until I feel the

effects?

Thanks,

> I'm not real expert on this.... For some they can have adrenal

fatigue

> and not have problems with DHEA, it can even be high... for others,

both

> are low.

>

> I know for me taking the adrenal glandular helped me a lot... better

> sleep, and as time passed, I started laughing, had a better startle

> response, better reflexes and can get pissed off now... where for

so many

> years I just curled up in a ball when anything happened and NEVER

> laughed.

>

> I'd been reading about DHEA and my choice to use it stemmed from it

being

> involved with sex hormones. Within weeks of starting I got

my 'grown up

> body hair' coming back in. Most noticeably leg hair, but underarm

and

> pubic hair filled in again, they way it should be. I've made a few

other

> changes that may be contributing, but my periods are regular as

clock

> work, last only four days, I have ZERO pms, no cramps, sometimes

some

> lower back pain if I'm over doing, no breast tenderness. The only

way I

> know my period is coming is to check the calendar, I don't have any

> symptoms. I'm down to 1/4 tab (6 1/4 ) until the bottle is used

up.. I

> don't think I need it anymore.

>

> This is strictly my opinion, and I've said this a few times before

so you

> may want to skip....

>

> Natural thyroid is a whole desiccated glandular, giving us all the

> thyroid hormones in a form that is readily accessible to our

bodies. The

> adrenal glandular I'm taking is also a whole desiccated glandular,

> nothing else in it, just tableting agents. Nothing to stimulate the

gland

> or system, just the hormones that the gland isn't making enough of.

It's

> my belief that it too is easily used by the body and that's why

I've done

> so well on it... my body takes from it what it needs to produce

what it

> needs.

>

> Now... I also believe that a body that is in rough shape from being

> underdosed for a period of time (years) and has depleted it's

reserves

> and has not been functioning properly needs a bit of TLC. Here,

again,

> I'm getting back to multi-dosing and proper timing. It's individual

for

> all of us, we have to tailor our dosing and schedules to our body's

needs

> as well as our life style. But I honestly believe that many would

benefit

> by doing a bit of experimenting with the timing/frequency of dosing.

>

> The trick is that some of this stuff you can't do for a day or a

week..

> you have to give your body time to react to the adjustments. That's

where

> a journal and charting comes in to play. So that you can SEE what is

> going on and not just reflect, or remember, what you've been

feeling like

> the last month or two...

>

> When you consider that for many the effects of low thyroid or low

adrenal

> hormones takes months and years to affect us enough to cause us to

go to

> the doc, it's simply logical that it may take months or years for

the

> body to come back once you give it what it needs.

>

> For adrenal fatigue, depending on the degree, it can take two years

for

> the glands to recover. For some it's less, for others, it's more. It

> depends on damage, if any, to the glands, your lifestyle and stress

> level. How consistent you are with caring for your body - proper

meds,

> supplements, keeping stress down, eating healthy food regularly...

>

> I can look back at myself before... I couldn't deal with

anything... I'd

> just sit and either be numb or cry. How do I know that this is

adrenal?

> After my RAI everything slowed down (I'd been in thyroid storm after

> years of being hyper) and that was expected. But my emotions went

away,

> they just didn't come back. Even after years on synthetics, they

just

> never came back. This is hard to explain.. hard to describe..... I

just

> knew that something was not right. But, of course, the docs don't

care...

> it's 'here, just take this, it will make you just like you were

before'..

> yeah, right... I believed them and took that little pill every

morning...

>

>

> I started on Adrenal support based on the theory that I'd been

underdosed

> for years that it only sounded logical that my adrenals were shot. I

> noticed a difference right away. Like a switch had been turned on.

That

> was two years ago, in November. The problem that I had was that my

body

> was SO out of shape that I was just a physical wreck. I'd been on

Natural

> thyroid for four months and was gradually working my dose up... and

then

> started on the adrenal and I felt fantastic. I was just scurrying

around

> the house, doing things that I'd not done for years..... it took

about

> four weeks, then I crashed. My body was totally exhausted. It

didn't have

> the stamina, strength or endurance to be so physical after so many

years

> of being so 'sick'... I was falling down, my legs buckling, when I

tried

> to walk, could peek an apple.... I stopped the adrenal for a

couple of

> months and then started up again in February of '03 at a smaller

dose,

> 1/4 tab, until I worked up to 1 1/2 tabs this last spring (so about

a

> year to work up to that). It was March and April of '03 that my leg

hair

> started filling in.... the rest soon after that.

>

> Finances has brought me down to 3/4 of a tab a day. I'm getting

by.. but

> I'd rather be on more... My problem now is the stress level in my

life

> and that I can't do much about it...

>

> If I stick to a schedule, getting to bed on time, waking up at my

regular

> time, take my thyroid and adrenal on time (give or take a half

hour), eat

> my mini meals... I do really good. Yesterday I over did... I was

jumping

> up and down from my chair, going between computer and software shelf

> getting stuff set up for an upcoming project. I was really sore last

> night.. my hamstrings.... enough to be uncomfortable..... but I

woke up

> this morning feeling just fine. My body is able to recover and heal

> during sleep.... I can still remember when something like that

would

> have had me chair bound and in pain for a couple of weeks...

>

> I know I REALLY went off on a ramble... sorry... but sometimes you

guys

> say something that gets my brain to leak... and it ends up here.....

>

> I'll stop now.! hehehehe

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:14:09 -0800 " J Sisemore " <KJfamily@a...>

> writes:

> DHEA is one part of what is put out by the adrenals.. it's a

precursor to

> the sex hormones... it's not what's involved with the adrenal

fatigue

> issues

>

>

> So is there a connection at all between low DHEA levels and adrenal

> fatigue? Someone had told me there was. My levels had been quite

high,

> and are now in the very low end.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The lack of emotions was also a big part of my depression....I was basically sitting there, not able to cry, yell, or whatever....anti-depressants did not help for long if at all, what helped the best was and is the thyroid hormones for me.

Re: Adrenal Support - turning into a Topper Ramble.

I'm not real expert on this.... For some they can have adrenal fatigue and not have problems with DHEA, it can even be high... for others, both are low.

I know for me taking the adrenal glandular helped me a lot... better sleep, and as time passed, I started laughing, had a better startle response, better reflexes and can get pissed off now... where for so many years I just curled up in a ball when anything happened and NEVER laughed.

I'd been reading about DHEA and my choice to use it stemmed from it being involved with sex hormones. Within weeks of starting I got my 'grown up body hair' coming back in. Most noticeably leg hair, but underarm and pubic hair filled in again, they way it should be. I've made a few other changes that may be contributing, but my periods are regular as clock work, last only four days, I have ZERO pms, no cramps, sometimes some lower back pain if I'm over doing, no breast tenderness. The only way I know my period is coming is to check the calendar, I don't have any symptoms. I'm down to 1/4 tab (6 1/4 ) until the bottle is used up.. I don't think I need it anymore.

This is strictly my opinion, and I've said this a few times before so you may want to skip....

Natural thyroid is a whole desiccated glandular, giving us all the thyroid hormones in a form that is readily accessible to our bodies. The adrenal glandular I'm taking is also a whole desiccated glandular, nothing else in it, just tableting agents. Nothing to stimulate the gland or system, just the hormones that the gland isn't making enough of. It's my belief that it too is easily used by the body and that's why I've done so well on it... my body takes from it what it needs to produce what it needs.

Now... I also believe that a body that is in rough shape from being underdosed for a period of time (years) and has depleted it's reserves and has not been functioning properly needs a bit of TLC. Here, again, I'm getting back to multi-dosing and proper timing. It's individual for all of us, we have to tailor our dosing and schedules to our body's needs as well as our life style. But I honestly believe that many would benefit by doing a bit of experimenting with the timing/frequency of dosing.

The trick is that some of this stuff you can't do for a day or a week.. you have to give your body time to react to the adjustments. That's where a journal and charting comes in to play. So that you can SEE what is going on and not just reflect, or remember, what you've been feeling like the last month or two...

When you consider that for many the effects of low thyroid or low adrenal hormones takes months and years to affect us enough to cause us to go to the doc, it's simply logical that it may take months or years for the body to come back once you give it what it needs.

For adrenal fatigue, depending on the degree, it can take two years for the glands to recover. For some it's less, for others, it's more. It depends on damage, if any, to the glands, your lifestyle and stress level. How consistent you are with caring for your body - proper meds, supplements, keeping stress down, eating healthy food regularly...

I can look back at myself before... I couldn't deal with anything... I'd just sit and either be numb or cry. How do I know that this is adrenal? After my RAI everything slowed down (I'd been in thyroid storm after years of being hyper) and that was expected. But my emotions went away, they just didn't come back. Even after years on synthetics, they just never came back. This is hard to explain.. hard to describe..... I just knew that something was not right. But, of course, the docs don't care... it's 'here, just take this, it will make you just like you were before'.. yeah, right... I believed them and took that little pill every morning...

I started on Adrenal support based on the theory that I'd been underdosed for years that it only sounded logical that my adrenals were shot. I noticed a difference right away. Like a switch had been turned on. That was two years ago, in November. The problem that I had was that my body was SO out of shape that I was just a physical wreck. I'd been on Natural thyroid for four months and was gradually working my dose up... and then started on the adrenal and I felt fantastic. I was just scurrying around the house, doing things that I'd not done for years..... it took about four weeks, then I crashed. My body was totally exhausted. It didn't have the stamina, strength or endurance to be so physical after so many years of being so 'sick'... I was falling down, my legs buckling, when I tried to walk, could peek an apple.... I stopped the adrenal for a couple of months and then started up again in February of '03 at a smaller dose, 1/4 tab, until I worked up to 1 1/2 tabs this last spring (so about a year to work up to that). It was March and April of '03 that my leg hair started filling in.... the rest soon after that.

Finances has brought me down to 3/4 of a tab a day. I'm getting by.. but I'd rather be on more... My problem now is the stress level in my life and that I can't do much about it...

If I stick to a schedule, getting to bed on time, waking up at my regular time, take my thyroid and adrenal on time (give or take a half hour), eat my mini meals... I do really good. Yesterday I over did... I was jumping up and down from my chair, going between computer and software shelf getting stuff set up for an upcoming project. I was really sore last night.. my hamstrings.... enough to be uncomfortable..... but I woke up this morning feeling just fine. My body is able to recover and heal during sleep.... I can still remember when something like that would have had me chair bound and in pain for a couple of weeks...

I know I REALLY went off on a ramble... sorry... but sometimes you guys say something that gets my brain to leak... and it ends up here.....

I'll stop now.! hehehehe

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 18:14:09 -0800 "J Sisemore" writes:

DHEA is one part of what is put out by the adrenals.. it's a precursor to the sex hormones... it's not what's involved with the adrenal fatigue issues

So is there a connection at all between low DHEA levels and adrenal fatigue? Someone had told me there was. My levels had been quite high, and are now in the very low end.

[Guest guest]

Isn't it just soooo frustrating? You know you should react, but you don't. You are just there, like watching it on TV and don't react. Having that come back is just awesome.

Folks need to know that taking meds to ease or mask symptoms is NOT the way to go... you need to get to the root of the problem and deal with in.... if you are low on thyroid hormone - duh, get the hormone levels UP and the rest of the body will start working as it should.

I know that some of you wish that you were hyper and that you didn't have to deal with all the issues of hypo..... but, trust me.... I'd still rather be hypo than hyper.

We're coming up on a new year gang.... Lets make this year even BETTER than last year!!!!

Topper ()

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:48:19 -0600 "Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\)" writes:

The lack of emotions was also a big part of my depression....I was basically sitting there, not able to cry, yell, or whatever....anti-depressants did not help for long if at all, what helped the best was and is the thyroid hormones for me.

[Guest guest]

chuckle,

You know, I had an interesting comment from a male friend a week

ago. He has known me for 15 years, since before my mini storm... He

out and asked me if I was on anti-depresents or something. He said

that I don't sound happy or sad or seem to get upset anymore....

He hasn't offically seen me now in 2 years, we talk on the phone at

least once a month...(I'm glad that he hasn't seen me physically in

the last couple of years,,,it has been since my last surgery that

the weight ran onto me...sigh) anyways, as many of you have been

mentioning lately, listlessness, often thought of as depression, is

a definite sigh of undertreatment of the Thryoid and Adrenals. I

never put the two together until you all began mentioning it and he

said what he said...it was quite an eye opener...this might just be

why I no longer enjoy being around strange people...

Got my Nutri-meds today and will see how this part of my life is

improved over time...nothing will happen over night, I prefer a slow

healing...that is permanent...no instant bandaid for this girl.

Gossimer

> Isn't it just soooo frustrating? You know you should react, but you

> don't. You are just there, like watching it on TV and don't react.

Having

> that come back is just awesome.

>

> Folks need to know that taking meds to ease or mask symptoms is

NOT the

> way to go... you need to get to the root of the problem and deal

with

> in.... if you are low on thyroid hormone - duh, get the hormone

levels UP

> and the rest of the body will start working as it should.

>

> I know that some of you wish that you were hyper and that you

didn't have

> to deal with all the issues of hypo..... but, trust me.... I'd

still

> rather be hypo than hyper.

>

> We're coming up on a new year gang.... Lets make this year even

BETTER

> than last year!!!!

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:48:19 -0600 " Feisty\(ThyroFeisty\) "

> <thyrofeisty@g...> writes:

> The lack of emotions was also a big part of my depression....I

was

> basically sitting there, not able to cry, yell, or

> whatever....anti-depressants did not help for long if at all, what

helped

> the best was and is the thyroid hormones for me.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey,

Its okay to ramble....it is by your rambles that I have learned an

awful lot!!!!!

And not every thing can be remembered with the first reading...there

is so much to learn about what our bodies are going through....

Gossimer

> The shying away from crowds and strangers seems to be related to

the

> adrenals... being in a crowd and/or around folks that you don't

know

> brings up our excitement level, raises the adrenaline levels. If

your

> adrenals are fatigued and thyroid levels are low the low levels

stress

> can get to you....

>

> It depends on how low your hormone levels are, and for how long...

folks

> that have been dealing with less than optimal levels for extended

periods

> of time have a tendency to want to stay around familiar people and

> places.

>

> I noticed it in myself but didn't understand it until YEARS later.

My

> jobs were very public, customer service type work out on the road

so new

> people and places daily.... Now... I'm getting better... but I

still

> haven't gotten to the point where I'm chomping at the bit to get

out and

> about.

>

> Part of my 'shy' attitude now MIGHT be that I was so easily tired

in the

> past and became sore and fatigued and took days to recover that I'm

> 'allergic' to being out and about....

>

> I'm trying to work on it, though.

>

> As for avoiding 'Band-Aid' treatment.. Boy, do I EVER agree with

you,

> Gossimer. There are things that we can do to feel better sooner.

But

> there is such a fine line between doing it right and over doing..

that

> 'good' can quickly turn to bad and then having to start all over.

I admit

> that I have been very cautious in much of what I've done in my own

> journey of self treatment (and even that I did ONLY when I had no

other

> option and was so underdosed and ill that I needed crutches to

walk..

> whole long story) because I have gotten over zealous and I did

over do...

> I took too much adrenal at first and had a BAD CRASH, actually

falling

> down, not from the adrenal supplementation itself, but from

pushing my

> body farther and faster than it could go... it told me to slow

down the

> only way that it could, by telling my legs to just let go and me

hitting

> the floor.

>

> Twice I pushed my thyroid dosage increases too fast.. causing

myself to

> go mildly hyper.... the first time I had to cut back my dosage and

then

> work back up.. the second time I caught it sooner and just went

back to

> the previous dosage. Now, for those that are thinking that I was

just

> close to my optimal and that was the problem... I think not.. The

first

> instance was increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3, I had to back down to

2 and

> then gradually work up to 2 1/2 again.... the second time I went

to 3 it

> worked.... no ill effects. Pulse and temps were doing as they

should,

> slight rise right after the change and then dropping a bit, but

still

> above where they were previous to the dosage adjustment.... the

next

> problem came at the point where I was working on going from 3 to 3

1/2...

> that time I just backed down to 3 for a while and then went on a

varied

> dosage schedule... a couple times a week I did 3 1/2 grain, the

others

> 3.... then after a few weeks I did alternating days.... now I'm

> comfortably at 3 1/2 and I'm considering working up toward 4.

>

> My temp is good, my pulse is good. But I'm still not all the way

back,

> and I realize it will take time... I'm working on a lot of years

of being

> underdosed and my body has a lot to catch up with.

>

> But I'm patient. I've come a LONG way in the 29 months since I've

been on

> natural and want to see how much farther I can go.

>

> oh my gosh... I am rambling today.... hehehehehehe

>

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:16:56 -0000 " gossimerwingz "

> <gossimerwingz@y...> writes:

>

> chuckle,

> You know, I had an interesting comment from a male friend a week

> ago. He has known me for 15 years, since before my mini storm...

He

> out and asked me if I was on anti-depresents or something. He said

> that I don't sound happy or sad or seem to get upset anymore....

> He hasn't offically seen me now in 2 years, we talk on the phone

at

> least once a month...(I'm glad that he hasn't seen me physically

in

> the last couple of years,,,it has been since my last surgery that

> the weight ran onto me...sigh) anyways, as many of you have been

> mentioning lately, listlessness, often thought of as depression,

is

> a definite sigh of undertreatment of the Thryoid and Adrenals. I

> never put the two together until you all began mentioning it and

he

> said what he said...it was quite an eye opener...this might just

be

> why I no longer enjoy being around strange people...

>

> Got my Nutri-meds today and will see how this part of my life is

> improved over time...nothing will happen over night, I prefer a

slow

> healing...that is permanent...no instant bandaid for this girl.

>

> Gossimer

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Exactly right Gossimer. I was just thinking [uh oh], and I was

looking at some old test results and I could not see T1 and T2

having been tested, or does that have another name? Who was it that

came up with these # scales someone that knew what they were doing

or some tech who only saw blood samples and petrie dishes?

Dawn

-- In The_Thyroid_Support_Group , " gossimerwingz "

<gossimerwingz@y...> wrote:

>

> Hey,

> Its okay to ramble....it is by your rambles that I have learned an

> awful lot!!!!!

>

> And not every thing can be remembered with the first

reading...there

> is so much to learn about what our bodies are going through....

>

> Gossimer

>

>

> > The shying away from crowds and strangers seems to be related to

> the

> > adrenals... being in a crowd and/or around folks that you don't

> know

> > brings up our excitement level, raises the adrenaline levels. If

> your

> > adrenals are fatigued and thyroid levels are low the low levels

> stress

> > can get to you....

> >

> > It depends on how low your hormone levels are, and for how

long...

> folks

> > that have been dealing with less than optimal levels for

extended

> periods

> > of time have a tendency to want to stay around familiar people

and

> > places.

> >

> > I noticed it in myself but didn't understand it until YEARS

later.

> My

> > jobs were very public, customer service type work out on the

road

> so new

> > people and places daily.... Now... I'm getting better... but I

> still

> > haven't gotten to the point where I'm chomping at the bit to get

> out and

> > about.

> >

> > Part of my 'shy' attitude now MIGHT be that I was so easily

tired

> in the

> > past and became sore and fatigued and took days to recover that

I'm

> > 'allergic' to being out and about....

> >

> > I'm trying to work on it, though.

> >

> > As for avoiding 'Band-Aid' treatment.. Boy, do I EVER agree with

> you,

> > Gossimer. There are things that we can do to feel better sooner.

> But

> > there is such a fine line between doing it right and over

doing..

> that

> > 'good' can quickly turn to bad and then having to start all

over.

> I admit

> > that I have been very cautious in much of what I've done in my

own

> > journey of self treatment (and even that I did ONLY when I had

no

> other

> > option and was so underdosed and ill that I needed crutches to

> walk..

> > whole long story) because I have gotten over zealous and I did

> over do...

> > I took too much adrenal at first and had a BAD CRASH, actually

> falling

> > down, not from the adrenal supplementation itself, but from

> pushing my

> > body farther and faster than it could go... it told me to slow

> down the

> > only way that it could, by telling my legs to just let go and me

> hitting

> > the floor.

> >

> > Twice I pushed my thyroid dosage increases too fast.. causing

> myself to

> > go mildly hyper.... the first time I had to cut back my dosage

and

> then

> > work back up.. the second time I caught it sooner and just went

> back to

> > the previous dosage. Now, for those that are thinking that I was

> just

> > close to my optimal and that was the problem... I think not..

The

> first

> > instance was increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3, I had to back down

to

> 2 and

> > then gradually work up to 2 1/2 again.... the second time I went

> to 3 it

> > worked.... no ill effects. Pulse and temps were doing as they

> should,

> > slight rise right after the change and then dropping a bit, but

> still

> > above where they were previous to the dosage adjustment.... the

> next

> > problem came at the point where I was working on going from 3 to

3

> 1/2...

> > that time I just backed down to 3 for a while and then went on a

> varied

> > dosage schedule... a couple times a week I did 3 1/2 grain, the

> others

> > 3.... then after a few weeks I did alternating days.... now I'm

> > comfortably at 3 1/2 and I'm considering working up toward 4.

> >

> > My temp is good, my pulse is good. But I'm still not all the way

> back,

> > and I realize it will take time... I'm working on a lot of years

> of being

> > underdosed and my body has a lot to catch up with.

> >

> > But I'm patient. I've come a LONG way in the 29 months since

I've

> been on

> > natural and want to see how much farther I can go.

> >

> > oh my gosh... I am rambling today.... hehehehehehe

> >

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:16:56 -0000 " gossimerwingz "

> > <gossimerwingz@y...> writes:

> >

> > chuckle,

> > You know, I had an interesting comment from a male friend a week

> > ago. He has known me for 15 years, since before my mini storm...

> He

> > out and asked me if I was on anti-depresents or something. He

said

> > that I don't sound happy or sad or seem to get upset anymore....

> > He hasn't offically seen me now in 2 years, we talk on the phone

> at

> > least once a month...(I'm glad that he hasn't seen me physically

> in

> > the last couple of years,,,it has been since my last surgery

that

> > the weight ran onto me...sigh) anyways, as many of you have been

> > mentioning lately, listlessness, often thought of as depression,

> is

> > a definite sigh of undertreatment of the Thryoid and Adrenals. I

> > never put the two together until you all began mentioning it and

> he

> > said what he said...it was quite an eye opener...this might just

> be

> > why I no longer enjoy being around strange people...

> >

> > Got my Nutri-meds today and will see how this part of my life is

> > improved over time...nothing will happen over night, I prefer a

> slow

> > healing...that is permanent...no instant bandaid for this girl.

> >

> > Gossimer