Re: child seems better when sick--what's up?

[Guest guest]

> OK-- on the brain virus posts the other day, Andy you mentioned that

> one clue might be when the child is sick, they are much worse... so

> what could it mean if you have the opposite-- kids who actually seem

> more with-it when they are SICK?

I remember reading about this in the past... about kids who get much better

while they have a fever. I think your kid might have a virus. When his body

is fighting it, he feels better, he appears more normal.

> Also, we took a break from chelating in the month of December, mainly

> due to wacky schedules and we just kind of felt like it. Ethan has

> had two yeast flare ups in the month of December WITHOUT chelating--

> is that common when you take a break (that the yeast issues keep

> cropping up despite not using the dmsa)?

I had the same thing happening. I thought that was interesting... We took a

break too, almost 3 weeks. And in the last 3-4 days my son is having problems

that look like yeast overgrowth. I wonder why is this happening...

My son didn't really have yeast problems when we were chelating every week.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Are you sure this was a yeast flare-up and not a viral flare-up? As my son

became less toxic, his viral issues became more apparant because his body was

then able to fight off the viral problem better.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

,

> OK-- on the brain virus posts the other day, Andy you mentioned

that

> one clue might be when the child is sick, they are much worse...

so

> what could it mean if you have the opposite-- kids who actually

seem

> more with-it when they are SICK?

My son who has a brain virus always seems better when he is not

feeling well, calmer. However, he is almost never ill.

>

> Also, we took a break from chelating in the month of December,

mainly

> due to wacky schedules and we just kind of felt like it. Ethan

has

> had two yeast flare ups in the month of December WITHOUT chelating-

-

> is that common when you take a break (that the yeast issues keep

> cropping up despite not using the dmsa)?

Yeast flares for my son because of food he may be ingesting. The

yeast is always there. It just needs to be controlled.

Try the acyclovir. There is nothing like it homeopathically. If

your child has a virus, you will see a difference.

nne

>

> W

[Guest guest]

My son's main overall obvious outward problem is hyperactivity and spaciness.

When he's sick, even when he's just a little sick, he's always very " with

it. " Wish I could bottle that part of his sickness to keep on hand. Wish I

knew why.

Debbie

[Guest guest]

,

When my son was little, before we started doing biological

intervention, he was always more " with it " when he was sick.

Looking back I think it was because he wasn't eating much, or with

the flu , had an empty gut, so not so much for the gut bugs to eat,

and so less toxic by products. At the time I thought it was because

he needed me more. Maddie

> OK-- on the brain virus posts the other day, Andy you mentioned

that

> one clue might be when the child is sick, they are much worse...

so

> what could it mean if you have the opposite-- kids who actually

seem

> more with-it when they are SICK?

>

> Also, we took a break from chelating in the month of December,

mainly

> due to wacky schedules and we just kind of felt like it. Ethan

has

> had two yeast flare ups in the month of December WITHOUT chelating-

-

> is that common when you take a break (that the yeast issues keep

> cropping up despite not using the dmsa)?

>

> W

[Guest guest]

> Are you sure this was a yeast flare-up and not a viral flare-up?

Hi Gaylen,

Not sure if the question was for me, but in my son's case I'm sure it wasn't

viral. He had (for the first time in many months) the red ring, and weird

looking

stools, a small rash... I am pretty sure it had nothing to do with a virus.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

One reason is that the body runs on metabolic enzymes as well as

digestive enzymes. Enzyme activity increases with temperature until

it gets to a certain level and they the enzyme is

destroyed/inactivated.

So a 'fever' can relate back to the body being in a 'fever of

activity' with enzymes working faster and faster to fight off the

illness. The enzymes or body is working feverishly.

.

[Guest guest]

Try some taurine. Ann

[Guest guest]

How do you know if your child has a viral issue?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/18/03 8:04:01 PM Central Standard Time,

anncrow@... writes:

> Try some taurine. Ann

>

I'm curious as to why you suggest this for a child who seems to function

better when sick?

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/19/03 12:58:06 PM Central Standard Time,

BrandtMrse@... writes:

> How do you know if your child has a viral issue?

>

Ok, I am very new to this so cannot give all symptoms -- perhaps nne can

add more to my list. But the symptoms my son had that led both doctors to

believe ther was a viral issue going on were:

Developed mostly normally then regressed

Regressed even more after exposure to Roseola followed by a two-week upper

respitory illness

Severe difficulty with fine motor

Difficulty using one side of his body -- dragged right foot and right hand

would just

flop down anytime we tried to get him to use it for years until after

much much

work on it (viral doc says this indicates more of a viral problem than

toxic

problem since toxic problems tend to be more global -- not sure how

true

that is but it makes sense)

Regresses when using steriods and cortizone cream a few days after an initial

improvement (doc says these can activate viruses)

Low NK cells

Extremely high T4 & T8 cells (can also be allergy or other things but added to

other symptoms and low NK cells, can be a sign)

High lymphocytes

Flare-up periods where he does well for awhile and then has a few days or

weeks

of lower function

My son did also have high levels of heavy metals which he went through

chelation for for almost four years. He did respond and make much progress

with chelation but then more of the viral signs seemed to be showing up and

he has gone through periods of viral illness. I believe as he healed from

the toxicity, his body has been more able to fight off the viral assualt.

The doc we are seeing runs a viral panel but says that the titers don't

always show high for a kid with immune dysregulation problems because

sometimes they are unable to fight the virus. So he tends to look more at

symptoms and immune panel work-up plus response to medicine.

We started treating it with Lauricidin. He went through a three-week period

of " die-off " where he was extremely emotional and weepy. This is supposed to

be pretty typical of a viral die-off. Then we added Valtrex and he went

through a two-week period of not feeling well, hysterical drunken laughter

followed by much weepiness, paling and hand problems. Overall, he has been

much calmer and more focused on both meds and has had a nice boost in writing

ability on the Valtrex.

Gaylen

[Guest guest]

Maddie,

I have heard of studies that are starting regarding kids who are " better "

when sick, in the case of the study it is focusing on fever.

Our son is nonverbal. I remember last winter he came home from school with a

fever and just generally sick with a head cold. He went and sat in front of

the TV while I went into the kitchen to get him a cold drink. I heard voices

(like a bit of a conversation) and thought that he had turned on the TV. When

I went into him he was sitting in the same spot and the TV was still off. Now

I realize that he had been " talking " to himself. We were the only ones home

and though I realize my brain cells Arnet what they used to be, I dot hear

voices. I just wished I had been the same room as him.