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First of all... you breathe!

Then you just laugh, smile and wave. And buy your house and go shopping and

live your life!

One of the hardest things for me as a KO was to get to the point where I feel

like I don't owe anyone an apology, an explanation, a justification, ANYTHING

for choices/decisions *I* make for *me and mine*. Period.

There are people who will push for a reaction (think our BPD folks) in order to

validate and communicate and 'feel'... sounds like A is one of those people.

Her life blows chunks and so she's feeding off of yours and trying to knock you

off your hard-earned keel. Don't give it and give her the reaction (s) she's

looking for. Just smile and wave and ignore her stabs on FB...Normal people

aren't fooled by her comments. We all have the " freak friend/FB stalker-poster "

(mine is Nada - she's provided hours of entertainment for my friends how message

me and say " WOW! " )

What people say speaks volumes about THEM... NOT about YOU. Don't let it be

about you and just go on with your life. But do it with a smile and a wave and

a friendly 'how-do'... and don't go back for dinner ;o)

Lynnette

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive and

bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us over to

her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had gone to

anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We are in the

process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years

following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought

it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many different

life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to

file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!! I

will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the size of the

community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that

often after she has people over for dinner that they never come back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about this.

I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a second

table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a comment

like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't have any. "

After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq. ft., which

I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes from famous

people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and enriches

the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional job

and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I don't

necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do value

nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

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I think she is jealous of you...and she's a controling person. There are SO

many " difficult " people out there, you're bound to run into a few every

time you turn around !! I would be civil to her, but make excuses why you

can have dinner with them, socialize with them...and when she makes

comments on your FB, I would ignore them..I'm sure anyone who has run into

this person knows she's an oddball...and dont let her shame you for having a

little money, you've earned it!!...2000sq ft home is NOT that big for 5

people !!

Jackie

After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool

and although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is

nice to find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive

and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us

over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we

had gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more

aggressive. We are in the process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq.

ft. house for two years following a relocation and husband of A sat and

talked about how he just thought it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house

and that he will always rent. It was unbelievable. My husband and I are

both college grads and have many different life experiences. This couple is

a decade younger than us, is getting ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go

to college, and has solutions to everything!! I will need to figure out how

to get along with A because of the size of the community, but it's making me

more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that often after she has

people over for dinner that they never come back.

Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a

second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a

comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't

have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000

sq. ft., which I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting

quotes from famous people about how living in a small space makes you more

creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes

were aimed at me.

I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had

to tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of

dark colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional

job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I

don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do

value nice things.

Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

Thanks as always,

le

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Thanks Jackie,

You are right. It's just unbelievable how obvious this behavior was. It

reminds me of elementary school and I don't miss those days at all!

le

>

> I think she is jealous of you...and she's a controling person. There are SO

> many " difficult " people out there, you're bound to run into a few every

> time you turn around !! I would be civil to her, but make excuses why you

> can have dinner with them, socialize with them...and when she makes

> comments on your FB, I would ignore them..I'm sure anyone who has run into

> this person knows she's an oddball...and dont let her shame you for having a

> little money, you've earned it!!...2000sq ft home is NOT that big for 5

> people !!

>

>

> Jackie

>

>

>

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

> start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

> discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool

> and although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is

> nice to find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

> over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive

> and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us

> over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we

> had gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more

> aggressive. We are in the process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq.

> ft. house for two years following a relocation and husband of A sat and

> talked about how he just thought it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house

> and that he will always rent. It was unbelievable. My husband and I are

> both college grads and have many different life experiences. This couple is

> a decade younger than us, is getting ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go

> to college, and has solutions to everything!! I will need to figure out how

> to get along with A because of the size of the community, but it's making me

> more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that often after she has

> people over for dinner that they never come back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

> this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a

> second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a

> comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't

> have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000

> sq. ft., which I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting

> quotes from famous people about how living in a small space makes you more

> creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes

> were aimed at me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

> lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had

> to tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of

> dark colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

> with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional

> job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I

> don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do

> value nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

> I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

>

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Hi le,

I agree with Jackie; this woman is most likely jealous of you. And I also think

she is a bully. You sound like a nice person and you do not have to justify

anything

you do; how you spend your money, dress your kids, wanting a table.

At work the other day I was in the break room with two women. One is a woman

who

for some reason acts bitchy towards me; once in awhile she will deign a pleasant

interchange upon me. I used to try to win these types over. But I don't

anymore.

I am polite, but I don't go out of my way. I am working on having good

responses to her

sometimes impolite comments. In the break room they were talking about that

girl that

killed herself because of the bullying at school. This happened a couple towns

over

from me so it's been a topic that comes up.

This woman started downplaying what happened; rationalizing that everyone has to

learn

to deal with these kinds of things. I said: yeah, but school should be a safe

place. And she

said that *home* is the safe place and you can't control the outside world.

Well she it

totally wrong there; because *home* is where, unfortunately much abuse in the

world

takes place and it is not safe unless the parents make it safe. However, school

can be

regulated and watched. It is not like kids should have a free for all (maybe

she did not

read Lord of the Flies).

She left the room and the other girl said something about the conversation. And

I was

mad, and had a realization and I said: well SHE is a bully, so no wonder she

thinks that way!

I never say things like that anymore (you know because it can get back to the

person, plus

I am not interested in gossip at my age) But I was angry, since I was bullied in

school and

this woman sort of does the same thing to me at WORK. In a much more subtle

way.

But anyway...don't feel you have to put up or socialize with a bully. You

don't, and you

are probably not the only person who feels this way.

Sorry....this got me all ramped up! Haha...but just my two cents,

good luck

~patricia

a difficult person

After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive and

bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us over to

her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had gone to

anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We are in the

process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years

following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought

it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many different

life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to

file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!! I

will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the size of the

community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that

often after she has people over for dinner that they never come back.

Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about this.

I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a second

table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a comment

like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't have any. "

After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq. ft., which

I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes from famous

people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and enriches

the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional job

and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I don't

necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do value

nice things.

Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

Thanks as always,

le

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So I know I'm only 20, but I have so many problems with this, too.

You know- " I didn't hold the door open for them long enough! I better

apologize! "

it makes me feel like some kind of overshamed robot that keeps on cracking out

apologies and in this case, let me just say that I have tried to look at it this

way:

there are 6.5 billion people in the world and we've ALL had enough of our own

share of bullsh!t. I have been learning that the amount of insight we gained

from what we grew up with is a huge gift; and when some girl who has no right is

trying to tear down what you built up, you have to laugh. No matter what she

says. She's a total joke, and for crying out loud she's pulling the " those less

fortunate than you " riff. Just don't respond or interact with her unless she's

respectful to you.

Although I still (obviously) can't always live up to that, I still apologize and

forgive right away even when I'm still angry, and admit I'm wrong/it's my fault

when that's not even the case. I just think of the anger and frustration I feel,

and I use that to quietly fortify myself in social situations. I argue my point

now and defend it clearly without laughing at myself. I'm getting better at it.

It's just bull that we have to be upset by people like that. We're veterans.

Anyways good luck to you, that girl still hasn't got the wonderful

things you've built up for yourself and your family :)

best,

Kathleen

>

> Hi le,

> I agree with Jackie; this woman is most likely jealous of you. And I also

think

> she is a bully. You sound like a nice person and you do not have to justify

anything

> you do; how you spend your money, dress your kids, wanting a table.

>

> At work the other day I was in the break room with two women. One is a woman

who

> for some reason acts bitchy towards me; once in awhile she will deign a

pleasant

> interchange upon me. I used to try to win these types over. But I don't

anymore.

> I am polite, but I don't go out of my way. I am working on having good

responses to her

> sometimes impolite comments. In the break room they were talking about that

girl that

> killed herself because of the bullying at school. This happened a couple

towns over

> from me so it's been a topic that comes up.

>

> This woman started downplaying what happened; rationalizing that everyone has

to learn

> to deal with these kinds of things. I said: yeah, but school should be a safe

place. And she

> said that *home* is the safe place and you can't control the outside world.

Well she it

> totally wrong there; because *home* is where, unfortunately much abuse in the

world

> takes place and it is not safe unless the parents make it safe. However,

school can be

> regulated and watched. It is not like kids should have a free for all (maybe

she did not

> read Lord of the Flies).

>

> She left the room and the other girl said something about the conversation.

And I was

> mad, and had a realization and I said: well SHE is a bully, so no wonder she

thinks that way!

> I never say things like that anymore (you know because it can get back to the

person, plus

> I am not interested in gossip at my age) But I was angry, since I was bullied

in school and

> this woman sort of does the same thing to me at WORK. In a much more subtle

way.

> But anyway...don't feel you have to put up or socialize with a bully. You

don't, and you

> are probably not the only person who feels this way.

> Sorry....this got me all ramped up! Haha...but just my two cents,

> good luck

> ~patricia

> a difficult person

>

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive and

bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us over to

her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had gone to

anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We are in the

process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years

following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought

it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many different

life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to

file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!! I

will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the size of the

community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that

often after she has people over for dinner that they never come back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a

second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a

comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't

have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq.

ft., which I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes

from famous people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and

enriches the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at

me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional job

and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I don't

necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do value

nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

>

>

>

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>

> Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @... SEND HER

ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP.

>

> To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL

() for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline

Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can

find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community!

>

> From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE

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Wow Kathleen,

For a twenty year old you are wise beyond your years.

You are so right....that some one trying to tear down another person for

no good reason and after all *we* (everyone) has been through, it IS a

joke! I will try to remember this; it is such a great angle to have.

I love what you said about forgiving right away even if you are still

angry. I like that thought.

thanks,

~patricia

a difficult person

>

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence

to start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to

get over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive

and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us

over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had

gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We

are in the process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two

years following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just

thought it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent.

It was unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many

different life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting

ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to

everything!! I will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the

size of the community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did

mention that often after she has people over for dinner that they never come

back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a

second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a

comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't

have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq.

ft., which I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes

from famous people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and

enriches the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at

me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save

a lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm

dealing with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a

professional job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids'

clothes and I don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a

snot, but I do value nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @... SEND HER

ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP.

>

> To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL

() for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline

Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can

find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community!

>

> From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE

and the SWOE Workbook.

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On the stop breathing thing? Just a guess :0) I know I used to (still do

sometimes) stop breathing and cower and hold my breath until I felt ill but now

I focus on breathing a lot... I think, 'you creepy jerk... I refuse to give you

the air from my lungs so you can kill a bit of me ever again'... it works.

I'll just be a little blunt about your " Friend " ... she's a bi%ch.

Nothing more, nothing less. Buy a bigger house and have your fabulous well

dressed kids dance in the yard!

Lynnette

> > >

> > > After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence

to start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

> > >

> > > I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to

get over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive

and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us

over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had

gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We

are in the process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two

years following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just

thought it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent.

It was unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many

different life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting

ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to

everything!! I will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the

size of the community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did

mention that often after she has people over for dinner that they never come

back.

> > >

> > > Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a

second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a

comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't

have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq.

ft., which I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes

from famous people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and

enriches the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at

me.

> > >

> > > I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save

a lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

> > >

> > > What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm

dealing with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a

professional job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids'

clothes and I don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a

snot, but I do value nice things.

> > >

> > > Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

> > >

> > > Thanks as always,

> > > le

> > >

> >

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In or out of the BP world, there are people who are just asses. If you

live in a small town, as I do, trust me, EVERYBODY else in town knows

that these people are overbearing, obnoxious asses.

You don t subject yourself to such people. Remove her from your FB

friends list. Set your privacy settings to friends only and she will

never see anything you post, nor will you see her obnoxious rantings.

Block her from your FB msgs, and from your email.

Let her find someone else to feed on, before she comes back to eat your

liver. She is a toxic person. Continued consumption will have long

term side effects.

I would suggest reading the book " Safe People " by Cloud and Townsend.

It will give you more than this. But unsafe and toxic people are not

worth the cost of keeping the relationship. It is a one way drain,

they take from you and never put anything positive for you into the

relationship.

On a side note, are you sure this woman isnt a BP?

:)

Doug

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough

confidence to start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural

community, we have discovered that there are a number of like minded

families. We homeschool and although we don't limit ourselves to only

homeschooling families it is nice to find so that our schedules are

similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying

to get over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very

aggressive and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me.

She invited us over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had

been years since we had gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband

was even more aggressive. We are in the process of buying a house after

renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years following a relocation and

husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought it was such a

dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many

different life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is

getting ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has

solutions to everything!! I will need to figure out how to get along

with A because of the size of the community, but it's making me more and

more uncomfortable. She did mention that often after she has people over

for dinner that they never come back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have

a second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to

post a comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some

people don't have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house

that's around 2000 sq. ft., which I think is just fine for a family of

5, she started posting quotes from famous people about how living in a

small space makes you more creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't

help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I

save a lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then

she had to tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a

couple of dark colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm

dealing with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a

professional job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my

kids' clothes and I don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything.

I'm not a snot, but I do value nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A

that I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

>

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Deanna,

As I ve healed from Infectious Nada Syndrome, I ve become a lot less

nice about things like that.

What to say to an intrusive question?

I m afraid that is none of your business. If I wanted you to know, I

would have told you.

What to say to a rude comment.

What an incredibly rude thing to say. No wonder you have so few

friends. You need to stop talking to me now. ( As I walk away. )

>

> What to say to an intrusive question:

> " Why do you ask? "

>

> What to say to a rude comment:

> " What is your reason for sharing that with me? "

>

> Deanna

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ha ha Doug! Those work too!!! ;-)

> >

> > What to say to an intrusive question:

> > " Why do you ask? "

> >

> > What to say to a rude comment:

> > " What is your reason for sharing that with me? "

> >

> > Deanna

> >

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Wow!! I'm getting a lot of needed reassurance here. I thought maybe I was just

being paranoid or supersensitive as nada used to accuse me. I have a lot of

trouble deciding if someone is toxic because I don't want to be critical of

everyone like nada always was and split them black instantly and I also don't

know what normal human interactions look like. When I first met this woman I

described, I didn't like her at all but a common interest brought us together

again and our kids really like to play together. I decided to give her another

chance and I just don't like how things are going. I don't mind people who have

strong opinions, but I don't really get a chance to ever voice my opinion. Her

husband is opinionated to the point of being ridiculous--he basically lectures

you the entire time you're around him. I don't want to offend anyone here, but

he's 25 and I am pushing 37 and I sometimes want to just smile sweetly and say,

" You'll grow up soon, dear. " The woman I described is also very clingy and if

I don't return her calls quickly, she thinks I am mad at her. Aargh. I just

got away from nada and now look at the mess I'm getting in!

It's really stealing the joy out of our new house. First I have to worry about

nada stalking me at the new location and now these comments from this person.

I'm finally going to have a place to call my own and homeschool my kids.

Everybody needs to quit being weird!

Thanks for the answers.

le

> >

> > After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough

> confidence to start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural

> community, we have discovered that there are a number of like minded

> families. We homeschool and although we don't limit ourselves to only

> homeschooling families it is nice to find so that our schedules are

> similar, etc.

> >

> > I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying

> to get over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very

> aggressive and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me.

> She invited us over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had

> been years since we had gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband

> was even more aggressive. We are in the process of buying a house after

> renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years following a relocation and

> husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought it was such a

> dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

> unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many

> different life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is

> getting ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has

> solutions to everything!! I will need to figure out how to get along

> with A because of the size of the community, but it's making me more and

> more uncomfortable. She did mention that often after she has people over

> for dinner that they never come back.

> >

> > Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

> this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have

> a second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to

> post a comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some

> people don't have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house

> that's around 2000 sq. ft., which I think is just fine for a family of

> 5, she started posting quotes from famous people about how living in a

> small space makes you more creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't

> help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

> >

> > I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I

> save a lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then

> she had to tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a

> couple of dark colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

> >

> > What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm

> dealing with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a

> professional job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my

> kids' clothes and I don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything.

> I'm not a snot, but I do value nice things.

> >

> > Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A

> that I've described?

> >

> > Thanks as always,

> > le

> >

>

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One word, disengage! You can disengage politely, you can disengage rudely, you

can disengage subtly or overtly - all up to your personal style and what you can

live with. But disengage! One of the worst KO legacies for me and I can see

you share it as well it the feelings of panic that come with realizing you've

let someone harmful into your life. Worry over what may happen as you work to

get them out. Will they take revenge, how low will they go are fears here.

Growing up with a nada is having the harmful person as close as is possible to

you - your own mother - with no choice or option to get away or regulate it

(when we're young) and I think the echoes of that happen every time an

unpleasant person accidentally ends up in our world. Stand strong! People

become casual friends and drift apart and away all the time...it's no crime.

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive and

bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us over to

her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had gone to

anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We are in the

process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years

following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought

it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many different

life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to

file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!! I

will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the size of the

community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that

often after she has people over for dinner that they never come back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about this.

I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a second

table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a comment

like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't have any. "

After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq. ft., which

I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes from famous

people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and enriches

the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional job

and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I don't

necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do value

nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

>

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le,

I had this friend for a couple years (and it has been about two years since I

have been friends with her). There were ways in which I was very fond of her,

and really valued our connection. But in other ways she was clingy, in a

strange way, like coming over unannounced and then staying for a really long

time. Same with the phone. And if I didn't answer she would question me when I

did call her back. One time we were driving somewhere and her daughter, who was

16 was in the car and I was telling a story with the word *rape* in it. And

this person said: Please don't say that in front of my daughter. The daughter

rolled her eyes, and I said~ uh..okay. Later she recounted the event as me

saying: This is my car and I will say what I want. Well I would never ever say

anything like that to anyone!

There were other times when we would talk and talk and she would be like a cat

you pet a bit too long, and she would turn on me, and attack me. It happened a

couple times. And I began to feel a dread around being with her. Finally when

my father died, she ran into me at our local transfer station. And she kept

asking me what she could do and I said: I really don't know. And she said:

there's nothing a friend can do? As though I had to come up with something

.....it was more pressure at a time when I was very depressed and in distress.

So I wrote her an email and said that I didn't think I could be the kind of

friend she needed.

And that was pretty much it. (I said more in the email). I feel bad and don't

want to run into her, but I had to respect myself and my time and my emotional

energy field.

I know this is kind of long, but it seems if someone is stealing your joy, you

ought to really distance yourself from this person; enjoy your new house.

~patricia

Re: a difficult person

Wow!! I'm getting a lot of needed reassurance here. I thought maybe I was

just being paranoid or supersensitive as nada used to accuse me. I have a lot

of trouble deciding if someone is toxic because I don't want to be critical of

everyone like nada always was and split them black instantly and I also don't

know what normal human interactions look like. When I first met this woman I

described, I didn't like her at all but a common interest brought us together

again and our kids really like to play together. I decided to give her another

chance and I just don't like how things are going. I don't mind people who have

strong opinions, but I don't really get a chance to ever voice my opinion. Her

husband is opinionated to the point of being ridiculous--he basically lectures

you the entire time you're around him. I don't want to offend anyone here, but

he's 25 and I am pushing 37 and I sometimes want to just smile sweetly and say,

" You'll grow up soon, dear. " The woman I described is also very clingy and if

I don't return her calls quickly, she thinks I am mad at her. Aargh. I just

got away from nada and now look at the mess I'm getting in!

It's really stealing the joy out of our new house. First I have to worry

about nada stalking me at the new location and now these comments from this

person. I'm finally going to have a place to call my own and homeschool my

kids. Everybody needs to quit being weird!

Thanks for the answers.

le

> >

> > After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough

> confidence to start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural

> community, we have discovered that there are a number of like minded

> families. We homeschool and although we don't limit ourselves to only

> homeschooling families it is nice to find so that our schedules are

> similar, etc.

> >

> > I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying

> to get over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very

> aggressive and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me.

> She invited us over to her house for supper and DH and I went. It had

> been years since we had gone to anyone's house for dinner. Her husband

> was even more aggressive. We are in the process of buying a house after

> renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years following a relocation and

> husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought it was such a

> dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

> unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many

> different life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is

> getting ready to file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has

> solutions to everything!! I will need to figure out how to get along

> with A because of the size of the community, but it's making me more and

> more uncomfortable. She did mention that often after she has people over

> for dinner that they never come back.

> >

> > Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

> this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have

> a second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to

> post a comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some

> people don't have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house

> that's around 2000 sq. ft., which I think is just fine for a family of

> 5, she started posting quotes from famous people about how living in a

> small space makes you more creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't

> help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

> >

> > I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I

> save a lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then

> she had to tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a

> couple of dark colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

> >

> > What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm

> dealing with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a

> professional job and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my

> kids' clothes and I don't necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything.

> I'm not a snot, but I do value nice things.

> >

> > Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A

> that I've described?

> >

> > Thanks as always,

> > le

> >

>

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In short, start with defriending A. More below.

---

<it> [...] A is very aggressive and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years

younger than me.</it>

--- Inappropriate and disrespectful! She has to be aggressive and bossy to bully

people into staying her friend, if I had to guess.

<it> [...]husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought it was such a

dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was unbelievable.

[...] This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to file for

bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!!

[...] She did mention that often after she has people over for dinner that they

never come back.

[...]This woman always has to post a comment like, " You should be thankful you

have one table. Some people don't have any. " </it>

-- What an abhorrent personality. No wonder people don't come back.

<it>[...]she started posting quotes from famous people about how living in a

small space makes you more creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't help but

think that those quotes were aimed at me. </it>

-- They were.

[...] When this woman found out about this, then she had to tell me how she quit

doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark colored outfits from

Goodwill and that's it.

-- Probably a lie.

[...]Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

-- Defriend her at the very least. She is toxic. Doesn't matter if she's bpd. If

she's sending you here, she's causing you pain. Cut her out of your life like

she's cancer.

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Something I've noticed over the years - the dumber people are, the louder and

more aggressive they get. (Which is why drunks in bars tend to get loud - their

mental capacity decreases and their volume level rises. Also see: Any Jerry

Springer show.) People who feel inferior to others because of income, education

level, or just being " outclassed " in some way - will often overcompensate by

trying to run the conversation or emphasize their own point of view, rather than

listening and responding in a mature, give-and-take conversational exchange. I

could send you some family Christmas videos of my idiot redneck in-laws to

illustrate the point, but I imagine you know what I'm talking about...

If your kids enjoy their kids, you may have to see her during soccer games or

public-park outings, but you can treat this woman and her awful husband the way

we treat a Nada - public meetings only, with an escape route planned. If the

kids go to school together, that might be plenty of contact for them without you

having to endure additional " entertainment " with the parents.

You could always try to explain your decision to her, but it would probably be

pointless - she's clueless as to why people never come back to her house for

dinner, so she's obviously not into self-examination. Just disengage - no

excuses, no apologies.

>

> In short, start with defriending A. More below.

>

> ---

> <it> [...] A is very aggressive and bossy towards me and is almost 10 years

younger than me.</it>

> --- Inappropriate and disrespectful! She has to be aggressive and bossy to

bully people into staying her friend, if I had to guess.

>

> <it> [...]husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought it was such a

dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was unbelievable.

> [...] This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to file for

bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!!

> [...] She did mention that often after she has people over for dinner that

they never come back.

> [...]This woman always has to post a comment like, " You should be thankful you

have one table. Some people don't have any. " </it>

> -- What an abhorrent personality. No wonder people don't come back.

>

> <it>[...]she started posting quotes from famous people about how living in a

small space makes you more creative and enriches the mind. I couldn't help but

think that those quotes were aimed at me. </it>

> -- They were.

>

> [...] When this woman found out about this, then she had to tell me how she

quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark colored outfits from

Goodwill and that's it.

> -- Probably a lie.

>

> [...]Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A

that I've described?

> -- Defriend her at the very least. She is toxic. Doesn't matter if she's bpd.

If she's sending you here, she's causing you pain. Cut her out of your life like

she's cancer.

>

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i like this very much.. not always easy to do especially at first but when you

put your mind to it and practice a little, it works! wonderfully well i think.

 thanks for sharing your good suggestions here.

Subject: Re: a difficult person

To: WTOAdultChildren1

Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 11:57 AM

 

First of all... you breathe!

Then you just laugh, smile and wave. And buy your house and go shopping and

live your life!

One of the hardest things for me as a KO was to get to the point where I feel

like I don't owe anyone an apology, an explanation, a justification, ANYTHING

for choices/decisions *I* make for *me and mine*. Period.

There are people who will push for a reaction (think our BPD folks) in order to

validate and communicate and 'feel'... sounds like A is one of those people.

Her life blows chunks and so she's feeding off of yours and trying to knock you

off your hard-earned keel. Don't give it and give her the reaction (s) she's

looking for. Just smile and wave and ignore her stabs on FB...Normal people

aren't fooled by her comments. We all have the " freak friend/FB stalker-poster "

(mine is Nada - she's provided hours of entertainment for my friends how message

me and say " WOW! " )

What people say speaks volumes about THEM... NOT about YOU. Don't let it be

about you and just go on with your life. But do it with a smile and a wave and

a friendly 'how-do'... and don't go back for dinner ;o)

Lynnette

>

> After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

>

> I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive and

bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us over to

her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had gone to

anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We are in the

process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years

following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought

it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many different

life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to

file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!! I

will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the size of the

community, but

it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that often after

she has people over for dinner that they never come back.

>

> Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about this.

I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a second

table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a comment

like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't have any. "

After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq. ft., which

I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes from famous

people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and enriches

the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at me.

>

> I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

>

> What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional job

and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I don't

necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do value

nice things.

>

> Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

>

> Thanks as always,

> le

>

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I believe this is the best course, too. I had a mentor who used to say, 'look

with wonder at what will happen next' or something like that. She said it alot,

and she would turn her face slightly up and have a look of anticipation on her

face, it was kind of funny. At the same time it was so true what she was saying

as far as gearing my responses toward observation of the things going on around

me, instead of getting into my head and starting to plan reactions or things to

say in response. It gives me time to observe, which you really don't have in a

dysfunctional home. you are always having to react on the spot to craziness, and

I learned to live with being panicked and anxious all the time as a normal state

of affairs. I think sometimes eventually with people like this if you don't do

what they want, they will become passive-aggressive, and the best course is to

just feign innocence to whatever the accuse you of. " Really? I had no idea. "

Just throwing this out there but it's possible that these women are triggering

you (the original poster I mean) because they might have energy that reminds you

of the borderline in your life. So it's like your 'early warning system' is

going off. That might be more of what you need to focus on than the specific

circumstances of the dysfunction.

> >

> > After years of isolating myself, I have finally gained enough confidence to

start meeting people. Although I live in a very rural community, we have

discovered that there are a number of like minded families. We homeschool and

although we don't limit ourselves to only homeschooling families it is nice to

find so that our schedules are similar, etc.

> >

> > I have extreme problems with wanting to please people and I'm trying to get

over that. My problem is with a person I will call A. A is very aggressive and

bossy towards me and is almost 10 years younger than me. She invited us over to

her house for supper and DH and I went. It had been years since we had gone to

anyone's house for dinner. Her husband was even more aggressive. We are in the

process of buying a house after renting 1000 sq. ft. house for two years

following a relocation and husband of A sat and talked about how he just thought

it was such a dreadful idea to buy a house and that he will always rent. It was

unbelievable. My husband and I are both college grads and have many different

life experiences. This couple is a decade younger than us, is getting ready to

file for bankruptcy, didn't go to college, and has solutions to everything!! I

will need to figure out how to get along with A because of the size of the

community, but it's making me more and more uncomfortable. She did mention that

often after she has people over for dinner that they never come back.

> >

> > Then there is the facebook issue. I am trying not to be paranoid about

this. I am friends with A on FB. I posted once that I would like to have a

second table to make homeschooling easier. This woman always has to post a

comment like, " You should be thankful you have one table. Some people don't

have any. " After finding out that we were buying a house that's around 2000 sq.

ft., which I think is just fine for a family of 5, she started posting quotes

from famous people about how living in a small space makes you more creative and

enriches the mind. I couldn't help but think that those quotes were aimed at

me.

> >

> > I save all of my kids clothes and then the next kid wears them and I save a

lot of money this way. When this woman found out about this, then she had to

tell me how she quit doing this and she only buys her kids a couple of dark

colored outfits from Goodwill and that's it.

> >

> > What do you think? I can't avoid this person. I don't know if I'm dealing

with jealousy. I'm not a wild spender, but my husband works a professional job

and we will have a decent home and I like to vary my kids' clothes and I don't

necessarily shop at Goodwill for everything. I'm not a snot, but I do value

nice things.

> >

> > Why can't I just have a normal friend? How would you handle person A that

I've described?

> >

> > Thanks as always,

> > le

> >

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