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Thank you. If you watch the mouse/rat thing, it talks about switching off the undesired expression of genes with METHYL DONORS (something which of course meant nothing to me 2.5 years ago)WOW.

 

I still have it on my DVR.  I was saving it for one of my autism mom friends to watch.  It's been on there for months

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Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:38:55 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield

on dateline

 

Yep just found it on Nova's site, they actually have their own site for the episode LOL!!I had totally forgotten about this but now I am remembering after watching the video http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/preview/ q_3413_300. html

This show aired about the same time I was seeing my daughter's odd behaviors for the first time and my parents recorded the episode fr me because they knew I would be interested.

Here's the site http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/genes/ and the rat video is there too.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I think it was called " Ghost in the genes " ?

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:34:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

Yeah, that's the one

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:31:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

I was just reading a bit on Rett Symdrome for no particular reason and it says it is not usually genetic but instead spontaneous. Now, I am sure the page I was reading means spontaneous as in utero development but ???

, I might have seen that Nova. Was that the one talking about autism in part of it? It also talked about diet in rats made the rats' offspring a certain way, etc.... I need to locate that episode on Nova's website.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I watched a show " Nova " on PBS  that was talking about epigenetics and how even just diet or how much a person ate could cause gene expression to change in offspring.  I guess gene expression is sensitive to environment.  I think when you look into biofilms, isn't there something about these viruses altering gene expression to protect themselves?  Maybe it isn't even mutation, but MMR affecting gene expression?  I don't know, I am just a stay at home mom.  Just thought I'd throw that out there.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

From: nancy cook <endofautism@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline 

Excellent point!!nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention

> anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1,

> 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger

> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected

>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€

> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown

> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person

> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of

> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their

> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among

> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community

> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin

> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had

> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases

> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany

> (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44

> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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Yeah. I remember. My son was a big responder to MB-12. Makes me wonder if we can repair damaged gene expression. Mercury can alter gene expression too, and become epigenetic. So someone gets exposed to mercury, and it changes their gene expression, and they become a poor methylator, and then this is passed on to next generations who become poor methylators. My son was full of mercury. His french lab test also suggested there was a genetic component to him being mercury toxic.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Thank you. If you watch the mouse/rat thing, it talks about switching off the undesired expression of genes with METHYL DONORS (something which of course meant nothing to me 2.5 years ago)WOW.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I still have it on my DVR. I was saving it for one of my autism mom friends to watch. It's been on there for months

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:38:55 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield

on dateline

Yep just found it on Nova's site, they actually have their own site for the episode LOL!!I had totally forgotten about this but now I am remembering after watching the video http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/preview/ q_3413_300. html

This show aired about the same time I was seeing my daughter's odd behaviors for the first time and my parents recorded the episode fr me because they knew I would be interested.

Here's the site http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/genes/ and the rat video is there too.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I think it was called "Ghost in the genes"?

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:34:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Yeah, that's the one

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:31:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I was just reading a bit on Rett Symdrome for no particular reason and it says it is not usually genetic but instead spontaneous. Now, I am sure the page I was reading means spontaneous as in utero development but ???

, I might have seen that Nova. Was that the one talking about autism in part of it? It also talked about diet in rats made the rats' offspring a certain way, etc.... I need to locate that episode on Nova's website.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I watched a show "Nova" on PBS that was talking about epigenetics and how even just diet or how much a person ate could cause gene expression to change in offspring. I guess gene expression is sensitive to environment. I think when you look into biofilms, isn't there something about these viruses altering gene expression to protect themselves? Maybe it isn't even mutation, but MMR affecting gene expression? I don't know, I am just a stay at home mom. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

From: nancy cook <endofautism@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Excellent point!!nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention

> anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1,

> 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger

> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected

>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€

> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown

> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person

> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of

> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their

> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among

> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community

> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin

> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had

> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases

> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany

> (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44

> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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But it also gives hope to the fact that maybe this vitamin therapy may actually BE CURING people! I mean CURE in the way that medical people hate to see CURE with autism. ;-)

 

Yeah.  I remember.  My son was a big responder to MB-12.  Makes me wonder if we can repair damaged gene expression.  Mercury can alter gene expression too, and become epigenetic.  So someone gets exposed to mercury, and it changes their gene expression, and they become a poor methylator, and then this is passed on to next generations who become poor methylators.  My son was full of mercury.  His french lab test also suggested there was a genetic component to him being mercury toxic.

To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

Thank you. If you watch the mouse/rat thing, it talks about switching off the undesired expression of genes with METHYL DONORS (something which of course meant nothing to me 2.5 years ago)

WOW.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I still have it on my DVR.  I was saving it for one of my autism mom friends to watch.  It's been on there for months

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:38:55 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield

on dateline

 

Yep just found it on Nova's site, they actually have their own site for the episode LOL!!I had totally forgotten about this but now I am remembering after watching the video http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/preview/ q_3413_300. html

This show aired about the same time I was seeing my daughter's odd behaviors for the first time and my parents recorded the episode fr me because they knew I would be interested.

Here's the site http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/genes/ and the rat video is there too.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I think it was called " Ghost in the genes " ?

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:34:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

Yeah, that's the one

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:31:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

I was just reading a bit on Rett Symdrome for no particular reason and it says it is not usually genetic but instead spontaneous. Now, I am sure the page I was reading means spontaneous as in utero development but ???

, I might have seen that Nova. Was that the one talking about autism in part of it? It also talked about diet in rats made the rats' offspring a certain way, etc.... I need to locate that episode on Nova's website.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I watched a show " Nova " on PBS  that was talking about epigenetics and how even just diet or how much a person ate could cause gene expression to change in offspring.  I guess gene expression is sensitive to environment.  I think when you look into biofilms, isn't there something about these viruses altering gene expression to protect themselves?  Maybe it isn't even mutation, but MMR affecting gene expression?  I don't know, I am just a stay at home mom.  Just thought I'd throw that out there.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

From: nancy cook <endofautism@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline 

Excellent point!!nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention

> anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1,

> 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger

> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected

>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€

> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown

> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person

> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of

> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their

> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among

> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community

> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin

> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had

> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases

> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany

> (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44

> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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My son is pretty damn close to cured. We are starting ABA soon to get him ready for kindergarten next year. He still needs his supplements though.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:59:32 PMSubject: Re:

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But it also gives hope to the fact that maybe this vitamin therapy may actually BE CURING people! I mean CURE in the way that medical people hate to see CURE with autism. ;-)On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Yeah. I remember. My son was a big responder to MB-12. Makes me wonder if we can repair damaged gene expression. Mercury can alter gene expression too, and become epigenetic. So someone gets exposed to mercury, and it changes their gene expression, and they become a poor methylator, and then this is passed on to next generations who become poor methylators. My son was full of mercury. His french lab test also suggested there was a genetic component to him being mercury toxic.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Thank you. If you watch the mouse/rat thing, it talks about switching off the undesired expression of genes with METHYL DONORS (something which of course meant nothing to me 2.5 years ago)

WOW.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I still have it on my DVR. I was saving it for one of my autism mom friends to watch. It's been on there for months

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:38:55 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield

on dateline

Yep just found it on Nova's site, they actually have their own site for the episode LOL!!I had totally forgotten about this but now I am remembering after watching the video http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/preview/ q_3413_300. html

This show aired about the same time I was seeing my daughter's odd behaviors for the first time and my parents recorded the episode fr me because they knew I would be interested.

Here's the site http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/genes/ and the rat video is there too.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I think it was called "Ghost in the genes"?

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:34:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Yeah, that's the one

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:31:32 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I was just reading a bit on Rett Symdrome for no particular reason and it says it is not usually genetic but instead spontaneous. Now, I am sure the page I was reading means spontaneous as in utero development but ???

, I might have seen that Nova. Was that the one talking about autism in part of it? It also talked about diet in rats made the rats' offspring a certain way, etc.... I need to locate that episode on Nova's website.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

I watched a show "Nova" on PBS that was talking about epigenetics and how even just diet or how much a person ate could cause gene expression to change in offspring. I guess gene expression is sensitive to environment. I think when you look into biofilms, isn't there something about these viruses altering gene expression to protect themselves? Maybe it isn't even mutation, but MMR affecting gene expression? I don't know, I am just a stay at home mom. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

From: nancy cook <endofautism@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Excellent point!!nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention

> anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1,

> 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger

> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected

>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€

> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown

> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person

> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of

> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their

> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among

> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community

> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin

> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had

> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases

> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany

> (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44

> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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Awesome!

 

My son is pretty damn close to cured.  We are starting ABA soon to get him ready for kindergarten next year.  He still needs his supplements though.

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Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

But it also gives hope to the fact that maybe this vitamin therapy may actually BE CURING people! I mean CURE in the way that medical people hate to see CURE with autism. ;-)

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Yeah.  I remember.  My son was a big responder to MB-12.  Makes me wonder if we can repair damaged gene expression.  Mercury can alter gene expression too, and become epigenetic.  So someone gets exposed to mercury, and it changes their gene expression, and they become a poor methylator, and then this is passed on to next generations who become poor methylators.  My son was full of mercury.  His french lab test also suggested there was a genetic component to him being mercury toxic.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 10:50:13 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

Thank you. If you watch the mouse/rat thing, it talks about switching off the undesired expression of genes with METHYL DONORS (something which of course meant nothing to me 2.5 years ago)

WOW.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I still have it on my DVR.  I was saving it for one of my autism mom friends to watch.  It's been on there for months

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

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on dateline

 

Yep just found it on Nova's site, they actually have their own site for the episode LOL!!I had totally forgotten about this but now I am remembering after watching the video http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/preview/ q_3413_300. html

This show aired about the same time I was seeing my daughter's odd behaviors for the first time and my parents recorded the episode fr me because they knew I would be interested.

Here's the site http://www.pbs. org/wgbh/ nova/genes/ and the rat video is there too.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I think it was called " Ghost in the genes " ?

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

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Subject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

Yeah, that's the one

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

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I was just reading a bit on Rett Symdrome for no particular reason and it says it is not usually genetic but instead spontaneous. Now, I am sure the page I was reading means spontaneous as in utero development but ???

, I might have seen that Nova. Was that the one talking about autism in part of it? It also talked about diet in rats made the rats' offspring a certain way, etc.... I need to locate that episode on Nova's website.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

I watched a show " Nova " on PBS  that was talking about epigenetics and how even just diet or how much a person ate could cause gene expression to change in offspring.  I guess gene expression is sensitive to environment.  I think when you look into biofilms, isn't there something about these viruses altering gene expression to protect themselves?  Maybe it isn't even mutation, but MMR affecting gene expression?  I don't know, I am just a stay at home mom.  Just thought I'd throw that out there.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 8:44:47 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

From: nancy cook <endofautism@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline 

Excellent point!!nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention

> anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1,

> 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger

> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected

>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€

> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown

> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person

> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of

> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their

> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among

> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community

> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin

> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had

> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases

> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany

> (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44

> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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1. Received a vaccine for Rubeola (just measles) that coincided with the

conception of my son. Was told by the people that administered the vaccine that

there would be a higher chance of my child developing Aspergers.

2. Son born. A little less attentive than other babies but hitting milestones.

3. Son receives MMR. Fever, sleeping, leg turned red, stopped babbling,

stopped making any eye contact, stopped smiling, no more words, constant

diarrhea, stops eating any solid food.

My vaccine was the cause, his vaccine finished the job. Your story is different

from mine, but you both have the symptoms they label autism. You are not the

only person on the planet with autism .

>

> " Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine,or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary

influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a

pristine state. "

>

> Langdon Down " Mental Affections of Children and Youth " 1887.

>

> I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years

ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.

>

> I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed

meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital,

part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial

regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name

it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever

since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic

vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have just been diagnosed

with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long as

two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap

well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started

eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular

dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and learning

disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I still

> cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems

with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I

eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic

acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery

from " autism " complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like

episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism,learning disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection

history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either

of us.

>

> Â Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines

are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be

exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while

pregnant with their other children.

>

> A trigger is not the same as a cause!

>

> Â

> Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and

most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.

> Â

>

> Â

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for

more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was

never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was " normal "

until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I

agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism

but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and

sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4

thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical

professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR

caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of

trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am

part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their

opinions around.If genetics

> and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have

Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> Â

> Wow ..... You know what mom always says, " If you don't have something

nice to say.... "   sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a

seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support

any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his

license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors

like him.Â

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> Â

> I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft

on that con man!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>

> To: " mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com " <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM

> Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> Â

> Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm.

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

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You are not the only person on the planet with autism .....Thank you for saying what so many others are thinking!

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1. Received a vaccine for Rubeola (just measles) that coincided with the conception of my son. Was told by the people that administered the vaccine that there would be a higher chance of my child developing Aspergers.2. Son born. A little less attentive than other babies but hitting milestones.3. Son receives MMR. Fever, sleeping, leg turned red, stopped babbling, stopped making any eye contact, stopped smiling, no more words, constant diarrhea, stops eating any solid food.My vaccine was the cause, his vaccine finished the job. Your story is different from mine, but you both have the symptoms they label autism. You are not the only person on the planet with autism .>> "Parents always prefer to refer the case

to a post-uterine,or a non congenital origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a pristine state."> > Langdon Down "Mental Affections of Children and Youth" 1887.> > I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.> > I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital, part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have

just been diagnosed with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and learning disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I still> cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery from "autism" complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset bipolar,autism,learning

disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either of us.> >  Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while pregnant with their other children.> > A trigger is not the same as a cause!> >  > Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.>  > >  > > ________________________________> > > To: mb12 valtrex > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was "normal" until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought

MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their opinions around.If genetics> and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.> > > > > ________________________________> From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> >  > Wow ..... You know what mom always says, "If you don't have something nice to say...."  sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds.

office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him. > > > > > > ________________________________> From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> >  > I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!> > > > > > > ________________________________> From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>> To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM> Subject:

Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > Â > Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. > > Sent from my iPhone>

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Are you saying that you feel that gene mutations are the cause of

disease? That is a very gray area, not black and white. Most gene

mutations make you more likely to develop certain symptoms, but are not

absolute. Other pathogens, toxins, or lack of nutrients must also be

present to cause the disease state. And, even if you have genes that

absolutely will cause certain symptoms, the problem the gene is causing

can be treated. For example, if your gene doesn't allow you to make a

certain enzyme, then you can supplement that enzyme. Most people who

are recovered from disease and/or autism, have no idea of their gene

issues. Thus, as much as it is important, it is not necessary for most

to care. I am sure the gene problems effect some more than others.

This is a complex problem. There are changes made to our DNA as we grow

due to pathogen and toxin influence. I think most recovery docs are

saying that they feel that vaccines in general are harming our immune

system, altering it so that it doesn't work correctly, but not the sole

cause of autism. This alteration starts a chain reaction of events that

leads to numerous symptoms. For some reason, we get stuck in this

immune-altered state, especially since we keep getting vaccines. There

are some who have found the vaccines to be contaminated with viruses and

such, so that is another problem. You have the toxins in the vaccines,

the contaminants, and the fact that vaccines in general effect the

immune system. Many of the docs who are speaking up, say that the

safety testing on vaccines is severely lacking. We have many more

things effecting our immune system today, than just vaccines, but all of

them together, add up to lots of symptoms. It's an overwhelmed immune

system from many things. I think that vaccines could be great, but when

the law was passed stating that vaccine manufacturers can not be sued by

the general public, than that created a situation where they could do

whatever they want without worry if their product had side effects. No

one on this Earth should ever not be able to be help accountable. Think

of all the people you know. Would they pay taxes if there was no IRS?

What if you could break laws and not go to jail? We need accountability

or man just doesn't do what he is suppose to. Therefore, until we can

directly sue the vaccine manufacturers, there is no one forcing them to

make a good product. Geez, putting mercury in a vaccine is enough to

make me throw up in disbelief to their human disregard. In the end,

it's not just vaccines, it's the pesticides, insurance companies

directing paltry medical care, and many more things. It's all of it

added together, weakening our bodies in general to where we develop

diseases and chronic symptoms.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

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I am going to give the benefit of the doubt because he does spend an inordinate amount of time trying to find real answers for himself and others. I think (and sorry for speaking for him) he just feels that people are being sidetracked by the vaccine poisoning issue from other triggers... and it could be the viruses in the vaccines are the triggers in some people, not the poisons so much??? Since we are seeing pathogen-initiated autism (Lyme and Strept, Measles) ???

Anyway, maybe was not aware of the epigenetics thing that mentioned, or maybe he forgot like I did... I think if more people realized that our genetic expression can be turned on and off by environmental factors (bisphenol-a !!!!!!) that more people would see that a WHOLE LOT of things could be triggering autism, including but not limited to vaccines! 

 

:

Are you saying that you feel that gene mutations are the cause of

disease? That is a very gray area, not black and white. Most gene

mutations make you more likely to develop certain symptoms, but are not

absolute. Other pathogens, toxins, or lack of nutrients must also be

present to cause the disease state. And, even if you have genes that

absolutely will cause certain symptoms, the problem the gene is causing

can be treated. For example, if your gene doesn't allow you to make a

certain enzyme, then you can supplement that enzyme. Most people who

are recovered from disease and/or autism, have no idea of their gene

issues. Thus, as much as it is important, it is not necessary for most

to care. I am sure the gene problems effect some more than others.

This is a complex problem. There are changes made to our DNA as we grow

due to pathogen and toxin influence. I think most recovery docs are

saying that they feel that vaccines in general are harming our immune

system, altering it so that it doesn't work correctly, but not the sole

cause of autism. This alteration starts a chain reaction of events that

leads to numerous symptoms. For some reason, we get stuck in this

immune-altered state, especially since we keep getting vaccines. There

are some who have found the vaccines to be contaminated with viruses and

such, so that is another problem. You have the toxins in the vaccines,

the contaminants, and the fact that vaccines in general effect the

immune system. Many of the docs who are speaking up, say that the

safety testing on vaccines is severely lacking. We have many more

things effecting our immune system today, than just vaccines, but all of

them together, add up to lots of symptoms. It's an overwhelmed immune

system from many things. I think that vaccines could be great, but when

the law was passed stating that vaccine manufacturers can not be sued by

the general public, than that created a situation where they could do

whatever they want without worry if their product had side effects. No

one on this Earth should ever not be able to be help accountable. Think

of all the people you know. Would they pay taxes if there was no IRS?

What if you could break laws and not go to jail? We need accountability

or man just doesn't do what he is suppose to. Therefore, until we can

directly sue the vaccine manufacturers, there is no one forcing them to

make a good product. Geez, putting mercury in a vaccine is enough to

make me throw up in disbelief to their human disregard. In the end,

it's not just vaccines, it's the pesticides, insurance companies

directing paltry medical care, and many more things. It's all of it

added together, weakening our bodies in general to where we develop

diseases and chronic symptoms.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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, I am not getting something here. Are you saying that because vaccines

didn't play a part in your autism, then it didn't in anyone else's? Have you

read Dr. Wakefield's work? Do you not believe the thousands of parents who have

seen their children develop bowel disease and autism after the MMR?

Sylvia

>

> " Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine,or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary

influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a

pristine state. "

>

> Langdon Down " Mental Affections of Children and Youth " 1887.

>

> I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years

ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.

>

> I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed

meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital,

part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial

regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name

it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever

since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic

vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have just been diagnosed

with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long as

two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap

well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started

eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular

dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and learning

disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I still

> cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems

with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I

eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic

acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery

from " autism " complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like

episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism,learning disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection

history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either

of us.

>

> Â Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines

are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be

exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while

pregnant with their other children.

>

> A trigger is not the same as a cause!

>

> Â

> Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and

most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.

> Â

>

> Â

>

> ________________________________

>

>

> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for

more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was

never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was " normal "

until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I

agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism

but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and

sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4

thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical

professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR

caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of

trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am

part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their

opinions around.If genetics

> and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have

Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> Â

> Wow ..... You know what mom always says, " If you don't have something

nice to say.... "   sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a

seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support

any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his

license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors

like him.Â

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> Â

> I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft

on that con man!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>

> To: " mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com " <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM

> Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

>

> Â

> Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm.

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

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I completely support Dr. Wakefield. He has done nothing but try to help our

children.

> >

> > " Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine,or a non

congenital origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion

of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be

restored to a pristine state. "

> >

> > Langdon Down " Mental Affections of Children and Youth " 1887.

> >

> > I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of

years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.

> >

> > I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed

meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital,

part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial

regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name

it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever

since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic

vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have just been diagnosed

with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long

as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own

crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I

started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to

vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and

learning disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I still

> > cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems

with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I

eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic

acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery

from " autism " complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like

episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism,learning disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection

history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either

of us.

> >

> >  Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but

vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can

be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while

pregnant with their other children.

> >

> > A trigger is not the same as a cause!

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and

most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.

> > ÂÂ

> >

> > ÂÂ

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmc@>

> > To: mb12 valtrex

> > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM

> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

> >

> > My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than

103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight

and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was

" normal " until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond

that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to

develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a

younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was

diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost

2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughedÂÂ

at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live

with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can

say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate

themselves,they just throw their

> opinions around.If genetics

> > and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would

have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM

> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > Wow ..... You know what mom always says, " If you don't have

something nice to say.... "   sorry you feel that way about Wakefield.ÂÂ

My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office,

so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids.ÂÂ

He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because

of doctors like him.ÂÂ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>

> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM

> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too

soft on that con man!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>

> > To: " mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com " <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>

> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM

> > Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm.

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone

> >

>

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Just so others aren't confused. I do not agree with what roger is saying, I pasted in what someone else wrote about him not being the only person with autism. and then wrote thanks for saying what others are thinking..

just to clarify...

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:08:48 AMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I completely support Dr. Wakefield. He has done nothing but try to help our children. > >> > "Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine,or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a pristine state."> > > > Langdon Down "Mental Affections of Children and Youth" 1887.> > > > I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.> > > > I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital, part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have just

been diagnosed with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and learning disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I still> > cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery from "autism" complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism,learning disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either of us.> > > >  Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while pregnant with their other children.> > > > A trigger is not the same as a cause!> > > >  > > Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.> >  > > > >  > > > > ________________________________> > > > From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmc@>> > To: mb12 valtrex > > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > > My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was "normal" until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our

concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their> opinions around.If genetics> > and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > >

Wow ..... You know what mom always says, "If you don't have something nice to say...."  sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > > I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>> > To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM> > Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > > Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. > > > > Sent from my iPhone> >>

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I'm not sure I understand your reasoning here, . No one would dare deny that it's an immune response to vaccines and we already know that our kids have mitochondria issues. We all pretty much agree. It sounds to me like you're saying the same thing as we are, so I'm not sure why you feel this makes him a con artist and idiot?

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

Your doctor is an idiot,most are.I have a great hematologist,who is the first doctor I have ever seen,who will keep up with what's current in medicine.I mention something,he will immediately pull up an article about it,in front of me on his laptop.Most doctors will not,and have not kept up with anything since they left medical school.They ought to be recertified every few years.Wakefield aside,all this stuff about all these medical issues associated with autism,has come up in the last ten years or so.Many doctors think PANDAS is cute little fat black and white bears who eat bamboo.

The fact most doctors are morons,who have no real clue about anything,is why parents get desperate,and are driven to believe all sorts of crazy theories.

Autoimmune,or metabolic reactions to vaccines are a lot more common than most doctors are willing to admit.This gets back to something I have said before.Babies ought to be tested for all sorts of genetic markers for metabolic,and immune disease,soon after birth,even if it's optional testing that parents have to pay for it.

From: Greenberg <vegascurls>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 3:12:36 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

You know what's funny, my ped. told me he had the seizure because he was crying too hard. I believed her, she's a doctor. Looking back at medical records, the past seizures he had were all withing days of vaccines. I also had a return visit after I think the 6 month vax for hard lumps at the injection site that wouldn't go away for a week or so. I feel many docs just throw around their opinions too. They learn what they learn in med school, and it's set in stone. Very few think for themselves or have a hunger to learn more, or think outside the box. I think all the vax took a toll on my son. He was showing signs of something wrong before the MMR, but he was always happy and smiling. After the MMR he had all the sensory issues and OCD pop up along with the horrible self injurious behaviors. He started beating his head or kicking till he bled or throwing himself backward and cracking his head

on the tile. Basically after the MMR, it got ugly.

From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmcyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, May 31, 2010 12:09:16 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

My boy too and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was "normal" until that point and did not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate

themselves,they just throw their opinions around.If genetics and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Wow ..... You know what mom always says, "If you don't have something nice to say...." sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!

From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PMSubject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. Sent from my iPhone

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I agree as well....he's not the only person on the planet w/ autism I don't come on these boards to have my intelligence and opinions insulted...I have done extensive research into the possible causes of MY son's autism.....vaccines definitely played a part, starting w/ my own while pregnant...I have never once doubted that MY exposure to certain toxins played a part, but his subsequent vaccines after birth sealed the deal as far as I'm concerned.LoriTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:14:44 AMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Just so others aren't confused. I do not agree with what roger is saying, I pasted in what someone else wrote about him not being the only person with autism. and then wrote thanks for saying what others are thinking..

just to clarify...

From: dylynn4805 <lkmcrsbcglobal (DOT) net>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:08:48 AMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I completely support Dr. Wakefield. He has done nothing but try to help our children. > >> > "Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine, or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a pristine state."> > > > Langdon Down "Mental Affections of Children and Youth" 1887.> > > > I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.> > > > I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed meningitis with pulmonary complications, and spent two months in the hospital, part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningit ises, rheumatic fever,you name it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have

just

been diagnosed with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions, lasting as long as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias, and learning disabilities, and schizoid personality disorder.I still> > cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems with sexual development. I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpoceti ne,and lithium orotate made my recovery from "autism" complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism, learning disabilities, type I diabetes,epilepsy, and an infection history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either of us.> > > >  Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while pregnant with their other children.> > > > A trigger is not the same as a cause!> > > >  > > Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.> >  > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmc@>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > > My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was "normal" until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our

concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their> opinions around.If genetics> > and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > >

Wow ..... You know what mom always says, "If you don't have something nice to say...."  sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > > I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>> > To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM> > Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > > Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. > > > > Sent from my iPhone> >>

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I disagree. Knowing triggers gives us a place to look. Science works in a direct line. A to B to C to D etc. If we don't know triggers then it's harder to find cause. We *all* agree that vaccine damage is a byproduct of the biological processes that have gone screwy in our bodies for whatever reasons. We know it's a symptom. But *how* is it a symptom? And technically, yes, being a trigger doesn't make it not the cause. If you never had the trigger, you could easily never find the problem. My son has *no* GI issues. If he never got the Hep B shots, he may never have been here because he may never have developed so poorly. We may never have been here if he never received a single vaccine. He doesn't regresses or does better when he gets sick. He shows no outward symptoms related to anything except vaccines. But as it is, he's a total immune kid and we are here. And he may never have needed to be here if we employed a standard of being able to test immune function *before* giving vaccines. You may find it deplorable that we would suggest that anyone not vaccinate because of the risk of autism, but would you suggest someone continue to drink milk because "they aren't really allergic to it, they just have a disorder that makes it impossible for them to process dairy - the gut pain and diarrhea is just a symptom?" No. You wouldn't. You'd tell them to stop drinking milk. You don't continually do what you know causes harm. Until we have a handle on the immune response, you don't just ignore it. You don't call people crazy for investigating it. And you don't keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome. Semantics of trigger vs. cause isn't going to change anything. Knowing a trigger leads to understanding cause. But you don't ignore the trigger until you can fix the cause. Which we can't. And we can't test for it, either. You might think it's as simple as finding out if you have an MTFHR mutation but much of the population has this mutation but not everyone is walking around with a raging case of autism. And neither are they unable to get vaccines. It's only one piece of a very large puzzle.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

"Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine,or a non congenital origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a pristine state."

Langdon Down "Mental Affections of Children and Youth" 1887.

I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.

I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital, part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have just been diagnosed with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and learning disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I

still cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery from "autism" complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset bipolar,autism,learning disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either of us.

Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while pregnant with their other children.

A trigger is not the same as a cause! Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.

From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmc>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

My boy too and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was "normal" until that point and did not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate

themselves,they just throw their opinions around.If genetics and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.

From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Wow ..... You know what mom always says, "If you don't have something nice to say...." sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him.

From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!

From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PMSubject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. Sent from my iPhone

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Genetic mutations can occur at any time. You don't have to be born with it. Cancer is a genetic mutation. Moles are genetic mutations. Genes can also be activated and deactivated. Balding is a deactivation of a gene. If genes couldn't mutate, we wouldn't have viruses and bacteria that become resistant to drugs.

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OK so you're saying MMR can cause a genetc mutation?

From: nancy cook <endofautism>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 7:20:41 PMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Excellent point!!nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention > anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1, > 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany > (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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Lori,I too was vaccinated during pregnancy, but with the Flu virus. :-( And later had my daughter vacc'd for the flu too when we were past the worrying stage over autism (she was talking, everything on target)

What is sad to me is that the other day my husband revealed to me that he wondered if the spill my daughter had out of her car seat at 2 months old (by his fault) caused her autism. What a lot of guilt for a person to have! I told him never ever even once did I think that. I don't blame-blame myself but I do wonder WTF compelled me to be cautious about so many vaccines but vaccinate for flu (I know, it was because more kids die from flu than all 'those other diseases.')

I told myself when my daughter was 2, that before Kinderl I would get her caught up on MMR. I was one who did not believe it caused autism and that it was just a timing issue. I am so SO glad I never vax'd her for that, because I have heard stories on this list where a child regressed at FIVE after MMR. And after hearing the stories of women who noticed a change that very day, yes I DO BELIEVE, because WHY ON EARTH would a person " choose " to be ridiculed for their beliefs??? I don't believe that article that posted (from 1887 LOL) that said people would rather believe something harmed them then it was their genetics.

 

I agree as well....he's  not the only person on the planet w/ autism I don't come on these boards to have my intelligence and opinions insulted...I have done extensive research into the possible causes of MY son's autism.....vaccines definitely played a part, starting w/ my own while pregnant...I have never once doubted that MY exposure to certain toxins played a part, but his subsequent vaccines after birth sealed the deal as far as I'm concerned.

Lori

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All right, I think that we need to keep in mind that is as passionate about this as any of the parents are and we have a tendency to do the same things. How many times have you called pediatricians idiots to other people? How many times have you done exactly what he's doing here - trying to educate people. How many parents of typical kids have said the same thing about us (and believe me, they do. Even if they are all smiling and nodding while your talking, they're going home and telling their husbands and friends about the crazy mom they talked to today)? Healthy debate is fine. It takes two to make a flame war. Don't succumb to negative responses and it won't turn into one. He's been on this list a long time and I think it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's not *trying* to insult anyone. He's vocal and passionate. I don't agree with him at all but you're in charge of your own feelings. How you respond is up to *you*. We've all seen posts where insulting and offending was the intention. Some personal responsibility can be taken here. He's not the only person on the planet with autism. Maybe you start by telling him how much these things *didn't* work for you or how much you needed way more of other stuff along with it, etc. Discussion. That's what these lists are for.My .02¢. Feel free to delete and ignore at will.

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I agree as well....he's not the only person on the planet w/ autism I don't come on these boards to have my intelligence and opinions insulted...I have done extensive research into the possible causes of MY son's autism.....vaccines definitely played a part, starting w/ my own while pregnant...I have never once doubted that MY exposure to certain toxins played a part, but his subsequent vaccines after birth sealed the deal as far as I'm concerned.LoriFrom: Rose Rudolph <roserudolph55>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:14:44 AMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

Just so others aren't confused. I do not agree with what roger is saying, I pasted in what someone else wrote about him not being the only person with autism. and then wrote thanks for saying what others are thinking..

just to clarify...

From: dylynn4805 <lkmcrsbcglobal (DOT) net>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:08:48 AMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

I completely support Dr. Wakefield. He has done nothing but try to help our children. > >> > "Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine, or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a pristine state."> > > > Langdon Down "Mental Affections of Children and Youth" 1887.> > > > I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.> > > > I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed meningitis with pulmonary complications, and spent two months in the hospital, part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningit ises, rheumatic fever,you name it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have

just

been diagnosed with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions, lasting as long as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias, and learning disabilities, and schizoid personality disorder.I still> > cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems with sexual development. I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpoceti ne,and lithium orotate made my recovery from "autism" complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism, learning disabilities, type I diabetes,epilepsy, and an infection history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either of us.> > > >  Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while pregnant with their other children.> > > > A trigger is not the same as a cause!> > > >  > > Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.> >  > > > >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmc@>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > > My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was "normal" until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our

concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their> opinions around.If genetics> > and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > >

Wow ..... You know what mom always says, "If you don't have something nice to say...."  sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > > I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>> > To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM> > Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  > > Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. > > > > Sent from my iPhone> >>

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I do feel for too, because here he is hating the Dr. Wakefield, but he also wants to find a " cure " and most of the people who are pro-vaccine or anti-anti-vaccine (LOL) are the neuro-diverse people who think we are trying to eliminate them by giving them vitamins and therapy. :-(

{{{ group hug }}}

 

All right, I think that we need to keep in mind that is as passionate about this as any of the parents are and we have a tendency to do the same things.  How many times have you called pediatricians idiots to other people?  How many times have you done exactly what he's doing here - trying to educate people.  How many parents of typical kids have said the same thing about us (and believe me, they do.  Even if they are all smiling and nodding while your talking, they're going home and telling their husbands and friends about the crazy mom they talked to today)?  

Healthy debate is fine.  It takes two to make a flame war.  Don't succumb to negative responses and it won't turn into one.  He's been on this list a long time and I think it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's not *trying* to insult anyone.  He's vocal and passionate.  I don't agree with him at all but you're in charge of your own feelings.  How you respond is up to *you*.  We've all seen posts where insulting and offending was the intention.  Some personal responsibility can be taken here.  

He's not the only person on the planet with autism.  Maybe you start by telling him how much these things *didn't* work for you or how much you needed way more of other stuff along with it, etc.  Discussion.  That's what these lists are for.

My .02¢.  Feel free to delete and ignore at will.

Cheryl~http://www.gryffins-tail.blogspot.com~@midian42~

 

I agree as well....he's  not the only person on the planet w/ autism 

I don't come on these boards to have my intelligence and opinions insulted...I have done extensive research into the possible causes of MY son's autism.....vaccines definitely played a part, starting w/ my own while pregnant...I have never once doubted that MY exposure to certain toxins played a part, but his subsequent vaccines after birth sealed the deal as far as I'm concerned.

Lori

From: Rose Rudolph <roserudolph55>To: mb12 valtrex

Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:14:44 AMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

 

Just so others aren't confused. I do not agree with what roger is saying, I pasted in what someone else wrote about him not being the only person with autism. and then wrote thanks for saying what others are thinking..

 

just to clarify...

From: dylynn4805 <lkmcrsbcglobal (DOT) net>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Tue, June 1, 2010 10:08:48 AM

Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

  I completely support Dr. Wakefield. He has done nothing but try to help our children. > >> > " Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine, or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a pristine state. " > > > > Langdon Down " Mental Affections of Children and Youth " 1887.

> > > > I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.> > > > I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed meningitis with pulmonary complications, and spent two months in the hospital, part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningit ises, rheumatic fever,you name it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have

just

been diagnosed with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions, lasting as long as two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias, and learning disabilities, and schizoid personality disorder.I still

> > cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems with sexual development. I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpoceti ne,and lithium orotate made my recovery from " autism " complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism, learning disabilities, type I diabetes,epilepsy, and an infection history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either of us.> > > >  Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while pregnant with their other children.

> > > > A trigger is not the same as a cause!> > > >  > > Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.

> >  > > > >   > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > From: Melinda McCauley <melmattmc@>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> > Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > > My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was " normal " until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4 thanks to our ped who ignored our

concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their

> opinions around.If genetics> > and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.> > > > > > > >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

> > > >   > >

Wow .....  You know what mom always says, " If you don't have something nice to say.... "    sorry you feel that way about Wakefield.  My son had a seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids.  He lost his license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors like him. 

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>

> > To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM> > Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >   > > I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>

> > To: " mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com " <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>> > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM> > Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> > > >  

> > Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. > > > > Sent from my iPhone> >>

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interesting hypothesis?nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention > anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1, > 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany > (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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Interesting - which vaccines have human cells as ingredients?Also, is there anyone from Switzerland in the group. Does it still have the single Measles vaccine?To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:05:32 AMSubject: Re: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

interesting hypothesis?nancy j> From: allrpossible@ gmail.com <allrpossible@ gmail.com>> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com> Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:57 PM> Notice how they go in-depth on all> the non-vaccinated and don't mention > anything about the vaccinated ones who got measles. What> about them? > What's their heritage? What's there ages? etc.> > Love and

prayers,>

> Heidi N> > > > From the CDC:> > Most U. S. Measles Cases Reported since 1996> > More measles cases have been reported in the United States> since Jan. 1, > 2008 than during the same period in any year since 1996,> according to a > report released today in the Centers for Disease Control> and > Prevention's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.> > Between January 1 and July 31, 2008, 131 cases were> reported to CDC′s > National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases> (NCIRD). At > least fifteen patients, including four children younger> than 15 months > of age, were hospitalized. No deaths have been reported.> > In the decade before the measles vaccination program began,> an estimated > 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected>

each year. Of > these, 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and> another 1,000 > developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis.> > “Measles can be a severe, life-threatening illnessâ€> said Dr. Anne > Schuchat, director of NCIRD. “These cases and outbreaks> serve as a > reminder that measles can and still does occur in the> United States.â€> > Of the 131 patients, 112 were unvaccinated or had unknown> vaccination > status. Among the 112 unvaccinated U.S. residents with> measles, 16 were > younger than 12 months of age and too young for> vaccination, and one had > presumed evidence of measles immunity because the person> was born before > 1957.> > Of the 95 patients eligible for vaccination, 63 were> unvaccinated > because of their or their parents′ philosophical

or> religious beliefs.> Although immunization coverage rates for measles vaccine> remain high, > unvaccinated persons are at risk for measles, and sizeable> measles > outbreaks can occur in communities with a high number of> unvaccinated > persons.> > Measles is consistently one of the first diseases to> reappear when > immunization coverage rates fall. Increases in the> proportion of the > population declining vaccination for themselves or their> children might > lead to large-scale outbreaks in the U.S. Currently, Israel> and a number > of countries in Europe -- including Switzerland, Austria,> Italy, United > Kingdom -- are reporting sizeable measles outbreaks among> populations > refusing vaccination.> > “These cases resulted primarily from failure to> vaccinate, many

> because of philosophical or religious belief,†said Dr.> Schuchat. > “The vaccine against measles is highly effective in> preventing > infections, and high immunization levels in the community> are effective > at preventing or drastically decreasing the size of> outbreaks.â€> > Reports include cases from Illinois (32 cases), New York> (27), > Washington (19), Arizona (14), California (14), Wisconsin> (7), Michigan > (4), Hawaii (5), Arkansas (2), and Washington, D.C., and> Georgia, > Louisiana, Missouri, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Virginia> (1 each).> > Nine of the importations were in U.S. residents who had> traveled abroad, > and 8 were in foreign visitors. An additional 99 of the 131> cases had > evidence of importation or were epidemiologically linked to> >

importations. These import-related cases have largely> occurred among > school-aged children who are eligible for vaccination but> whose parents > have chosen not to vaccinate them. The source of 15 cases> could not be > determined.> > Of the 131 cases, 17 were importations from the following> countries: > Switzerland (3), Italy (3), Israel (2), Belgium (2), India> (2), Germany > (1), The People′s Republic of China (1), Pakistan (1),> The Russian > Federation (1) and the Philippines (1).> There were 55 cases of measles reported during 2006; 66> cases during > 2005; 37 cases during 2004; 56 cases during 2003; and 44> cases during 2002.> > ####> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >

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If it was just genetics, I would be able to not blame myself for not preventing

it (my vaccine, his vaccines). How often do parents get blamed for having a

child with downs?

I stand up for Dr. Wakefield because he was the only doctor brave enough to say,

" the emperor is not wearing any clothes! "

I have nothing against , but I have noticed he has a tendancy to focus in

on his story as if it is the only way one becomes autistic. Maybe it is a

tendency to have " restricted interests. " Many people with autism think there is

one right answer to a problem, it is very black and white, and get with the

program. They need help seeing the forest for the trees.

Jen

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> > I agree as well....he's not the only person on the planet w/ autism

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> > I don't come on these boards to have my intelligence and opinions

> > insulted...I have done extensive research into the possible causes of MY

> > son's autism.....vaccines definitely played a part, starting w/ my own while

> > pregnant...I have never once doubted that MY exposure to certain toxins

> > played a part, but his subsequent vaccines after birth sealed the deal as

> > far as I'm concerned.

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> > Lori

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I believe that people that have autism were born with infections that their

mothers (and fathers, grandparents, siblings, etc.) have or had. These

infections cause encephalitis, which may develop before birth or after a vaccine

or other illness. This atypical encephalitis is what is being dx as autism.

It is common for other family members to have the same infectious comorbidities,

such as allergies, asthma, intestinal upset, etc. My husband, ASD son and I are

all positive for many, many infections. My husband and I are recovering from

our autoimmune diseases through treating these complex infections. My son is

becoming less autistic through the same treatments.

Caryn

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> " Parents always prefer to refer the case to a post-uterine,or a non congenital

origin,partly because they think it frees them from the suspicion of heriditary

influence,and partly from a notion the child is more likely to be restored to a

pristine state. "

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> Langdon Down " Mental Affections of Children and Youth " 1887.

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> I don't need to be told any of this.Perhaps you weren't here a couple of years

ago when I joined this group,but here is my background.

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> I had the flu when I was five months old.Soon thereafter,I developed

meningitis with pulmonary complications,and spent two months in the hospital,

part of this time in an iron lung.This was what triggered my initial

regression.I have had numerous pneumonias,meningitises, rheumatic fever,you name

it.I have the GI disease,and all sorts of other mysterious pain and fever,ever

since I was a child.Only now I know,most of this is due to systemic

vasculitis,part genetic,part autoimmune,which I have just been diagnosed

with.Some of my infections have triggered major regressions,lasting as long as

two years.I was in diapers until I was nine years old.I liked to eat my own crap

well into my teens.I was four when I was able to walk.That was when I started

eloping,with what I now know to be MTHFR related symptoms similar to vascular

dementia.I have been diagnosed with atypical autism,apraxias,and learning

disabilities,and schizoid personality disorder.I still

> cannot write with a pen or pencil.I am infertile,and had serious problems

with sexual development.I was born with almost no muscles in my arms or chest.I

eloped,head banged,and stimmed like a madman,until I started on MB12,folinic

acid,and fish oil,in 2008-2009.Vinpocetine,and lithium orotate made my recovery

from " autism " complete a few months ago.I have MTHFR related stroke like

episodes that also went away with MB12.At least one sister has childhood onset

bipolar,autism,learning disabilities,type I diabetes,epilepsy,and an infection

history similar to mine,although no immune disease has ever been found in either

of us.

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> Â Nobody wants to find a cure for this garbage any more than I do,but vaccines

are a dead end,you are looking for causes that don't exist.Mothers can be

exposed to diseases and toxins while pregnant with one child,but not while

pregnant with their other children.

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> A trigger is not the same as a cause!

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> Just because the doctors you have seen are too stupid to figure this out,and

most are,doesn't mean you have to believe this vaccine stuff.

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> To: mb12 valtrex

> Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 1:09:16 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

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> My boy too  and he remained ill with fevers greater than 103 for

more than a week,developed thrombocytopenia, lost 10% of his body weight and was

never the same. He did not lose skills like some kids do but he was " normal "

until that point and did  not continue to develop normally beyond that point. I

agree that genetics could cause someone to be predisposed to develop Autism

but I do not believe my child was born that way. He has a younger brother and

sister who are NT and have each had one vaccine,he was diagnosed late,almost 4

thanks to our ped who ignored our concerns for almost 2 years. I am a medical

professional and was ignorant about Autism,laughed at people who thought MMR

caused it,no longer now I KNOW its true. I live with the consequences of

trusting an ignorant medical community every day.I can say that because I am

part of that medical community,very few educate themselves,they just throw their

opinions around.If genetics

> and a toxic mother were to blame it would seem all of our children would have

Autism not just the FULLY vaccincated ones.

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> From: Greenberg <vegascurlsyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:22:34 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

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> Wow ..... You know what mom always says, " If you don't have something

nice to say.... "   sorry you feel that way about Wakefield. My son had a

seizure immediately after he was given the MMR in the peds. office, so I support

any man that fights to discover what vaccines do to our kids. He lost his

license for my son and many other kids that now have biomed because of doctors

like him.Â

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> From: Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com>

> To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PM

> Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

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> I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft

on that con man!

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> From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>

> To: " mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com " <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>

> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PM

> Subject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline

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> Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm.

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> Sent from my iPhone

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not all cases of autism were cause by vaccines, in our son's case it was. I have

never heard of a disease caused by genes that can be recovered with diet, some

vitamins and mostly chelation and that's our son's case, he's now recovered.

I believe that in your case, apart from being born sick and with genetic issues,

the antibiotics you've got with every one of your episodes were killing your

good flora and all the same story that we all know, and nobody was giving you

probiotics back, your digestive/inmune system was hurt over and over...you know

the rest of the story.

I found a nice reading in Dyslogic Syndrome: Why Millions of Kids are 'Hyper',

Attention-Disordered, Learning Disabled, Depressed, Aggressive, Defiant, or

Violent--and What We Can Do About It by Bernard Rimland that might be

interesting to some of you, I love it.

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> Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm.

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> Sent from my iPhone

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He lost his license for truth we will support him as long as it takes.Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryDate: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT)To: <mb12 valtrex >Subject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline I forgot to say I am supporter of him an anyone that is trying to make a difference in the lives of children like my son's and trying to find out why these kids are so sick. I don't think this man is working this hard and losing everything because he is a con. He is saying he will not go away and fighting so hard , for what? because he is passionate about helping all our kids like my little boy. I just would like to hear your opinion and want to know why such harshness towards this man? SalinaFrom: Kulp <thorenstd124>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 3:22:59 PMSubject: Re: Dr.Wakefield on dateline I hope they rip him a new body opening,unlike Matt Lauer,who was way too soft on that con man!From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 4:20:20 PMSubject: Dr.Wakefield on dateline Dr.Wakefeild is going to be on dateline tonight in Chicago area at 6pm. Sent from my iPhone

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