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My boys climb and jump constantly when yeast is high also when they do not get enough stimulation/exercise-when yeast is under control it stops for mine,do you think this could be an issue?

To: taca-usa ; abmd ; mb12 valtrex Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 9:51:10 PMSubject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to "being a boy." :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped."

She said "I guess it's that fight or flight thing?"

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into "therapy;" (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one...

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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Yep, most likely. We just started biomed Feb/March, meaning just started GFCF and have had a couple infections w/ antibiotics. They are not on low carb, drink watered down juice... so we aren't starving the yeast or anything yet. I am hoping to do more of that in the summer, didn't want pre-k to have to deal with die-off issues. :-(

 

My boys climb and jump constantly when yeast is high also when they do not get enough stimulation/exercise-when yeast is under control it stops for mine,do you think this could be an issue?

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I understand- yeast has been the thing we have had to fight most.He has had Diflucan-3 rounds,Amphotericin 3 rounds and now we are trying an all natural approach with Brainchilds yeast kit.Also,Enhansa was great killed yeast and viruses.We went through 2 rounds of abx in march and it has taken 2 months just to get his bowels back to normal,now we are trying to combat the yeast again. Good luck,also if you are willing to try SCD,it works great but I have 3 kids under age 5 and also work alot so i just dont have the time it takes to do it.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 10:03:32 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Yep, most likely. We just started biomed Feb/March, meaning just started GFCF and have had a couple infections w/ antibiotics. They are not on low carb, drink watered down juice... so we aren't starving the yeast or anything yet. I am hoping to do more of that in the summer, didn't want pre-k to have to deal with die-off issues. :-(

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My boys climb and jump constantly when yeast is high also when they do not get enough stimulation/ exercise- when yeast is under control it stops for mine,do you think this could be an issue?

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We were gonna do SCD but then I found out that high oxalates contribute to seizures and that almonds are high oxalate. Doh.I still check SCD legal/illegal status though.

 

I understand- yeast has been the thing we have had to fight most.He has had Diflucan-3 rounds,Amphotericin 3 rounds and now we are trying an all natural approach with Brainchilds yeast kit.Also,Enhansa was great killed yeast and viruses.We went through 2 rounds of abx in march and it has taken 2 months just to get his bowels back to normal,now we are trying to combat the yeast again. Good luck,also if you are willing to try SCD,it works great but I have 3 kids under age 5 and also work alot so i just dont have the time it takes to do it.

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Yep, most likely. We just started biomed Feb/March, meaning just started GFCF and have had a couple infections w/ antibiotics. They are not on low carb, drink watered down juice... so we aren't starving the yeast or anything yet. I am hoping to do more of that in the summer, didn't want pre-k to have to deal with die-off issues. :-(

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Melinda McCauley <melmattmcyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

 

My boys climb and jump constantly when yeast is high also when they do not get enough stimulation/ exercise- when yeast is under control it stops for mine,do you think this could be an issue?

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Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old. He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school. His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration. Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through. Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy. My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it. He is in a self

contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2. They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too. There may be something to the whole "fight or flight". Anyway, we've recently started medication. It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him. It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give. This poor kid is ready to blow. We're hoping summer vacation helps. I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.To: taca-usa ; abmd ; mb12 valtrex Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PMSubject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Sorry for the xpost :-)My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to "being a boy." :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped."

She said "I guess it's that fight or flight thing?" Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into "therapy;" (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one... What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.   At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my " get done " time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said " You should have asked permission " and he said something to the effect of " well i was just borrowing it " (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too. 

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

 

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old.  He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school.  His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration.  Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through.  Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy.   My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it.  He is in a self

contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2.  They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too.  There may be something to the whole " fight or flight " .   Anyway, we've recently started medication.  It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him.  It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give.  This poor kid is ready to blow.  We're hoping summer vacation helps.  I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

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Sorry for the xpost :-)My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to " being a boy. " :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped. "  

She said " I guess it's that fight or flight thing? "  Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into " therapy; " (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one... What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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What meds did you just start?? We may have to do the same along with biomedical just to protect my sons placement. Also what is CLO? I'm sure I know it but for some reason I just can't think...must be the stress.

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Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail>To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Fri, June 4, 2010 8:44:11 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.

At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my "get done" time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said "You should have asked permission" and he said something to the effect of "well i was just borrowing it" (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too.

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old. He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school. His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration. Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through. Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy. My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it. He is in a self contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2. They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too. There may be something to the whole "fight or flight". Anyway, we've recently started medication. It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him. It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give. This poor kid is ready to blow. We're hoping summer vacation helps. I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com> To: taca-usa@yahoogroup s.com; abmdyahoogroups (DOT) com; mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PM Subject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to "being a boy." :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped."

She said "I guess it's that fight or flight thing?"

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into "therapy;" (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one...

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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What meds did you just start?? We may have to do the same along with biomedical just to protect my sons placement. Also what is CLO? I'm sure I know it but for some reason I just can't think...must be the stress.

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Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, June 4, 2010 8:44:11 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.

At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my "get done" time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said "You should have asked permission" and he said something to the effect of "well i was just borrowing it" (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too.

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old. He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school. His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration. Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through. Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy. My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it. He is in a self contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2. They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too. There may be something to the whole "fight or flight". Anyway, we've recently started medication. It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him. It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give. This poor kid is ready to blow. We're hoping summer vacation helps. I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com> To: taca-usa@yahoogroup s.com; abmdyahoogroups (DOT) com; mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PM Subject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to "being a boy." :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped."

She said "I guess it's that fight or flight thing?"

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into "therapy;" (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one...

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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Part of Feingold is removing artificial flavors, colors and preservatives. You may have already done this.The other part is removing several fruits which for whatever reason are known to cause hyper behavior. I didn't want to do it when I first learned about it, because the fruits include apples, oranges, and all berries. " WTF? " I thought, " those are their fav foods. "

They had berries again today (we are not officially on the diet till Thursday) and they were NUTS! Stims I haven't seen my son do in over a week... spinning and licking... and my daughter had another darned meltdown tonight.

 

Toni,   Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out.  I found tons of stuff googling " ADHD fight or flight " .   Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender.  Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in.  Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

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We've started him on Adderall xr. (5mgs - smallest dose available) I must admit I've already gotten a note from school remarking on the significant difference. We're counting on this being temporary as we work on strategies, personal development and nutritional strength. This poor kid's been a ticking time bomb. Finding the right med is tricky - very similar to dietary measures found here...every individual is different and what works for one may not work for the next. That's why, in the long run, it's better to fix the root of the problem instead of masking the symptoms with meds. For now, it's a mean to an end. I feel it's important to fix it NOW while he is young because we know what will most likely happen as he enters into young

adulthood....it is highly unlikely he will make the best dietary choices and even more unlikely he would bother to takes meds. More so, I don't care to turn him into a life-long consumer of pharmaceuticalsCLO is Cod Liver Oil. yum!yum! lol-TammyTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 8:50:44 PMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

What meds did you just start?? We may have to do the same along with biomedical just to protect my sons placement. Also what is CLO? I'm sure I know it but for some reason I just can't think...must be the stress.

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Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, June 4, 2010 8:44:11 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.

At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my "get done" time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said "You should have asked permission" and he said something to the effect of "well i was just borrowing it" (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too.

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old. He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school. His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration. Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through. Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy. My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it. He is in a self contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2. They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too. There may be something to the whole "fight or flight". Anyway, we've recently started medication. It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him. It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give. This poor kid is ready to blow. We're hoping summer vacation helps. I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com> To: taca-usa@yahoogroup s.com; abmdyahoogroups (DOT) com; mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PM Subject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to "being a boy." :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped."

She said "I guess it's that fight or flight thing?"

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into "therapy;" (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one...

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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eliminating those fruits and berries....is that a phenol thing? We don't really experience the hyperactivity in the classic sense of the word here, but my son does stim.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 10:14:03 PMSubject:

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Part of Feingold is removing artificial flavors, colors and preservatives. You may have already done this.The other part is removing several fruits which for whatever reason are known to cause hyper behavior. I didn't want to do it when I first learned about it, because the fruits include apples, oranges, and all berries. "WTF?" I thought, "those are their fav foods."

They had berries again today (we are not officially on the diet till Thursday) and they were NUTS! Stims I haven't seen my son do in over a week... spinning and licking... and my daughter had another darned meltdown tonight.

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

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Yep, Feingold is about eliminating phenols & salicylates... some are allowed in stage one because they don't seem to affect as many people... watermelon and lemons are allowed on stage 1, and many others.

I didn't think that phenols and salicylates would make that much of a difference in their behavior, despite the wonderful claims. LOL I guess I didn't think it could be that easy... I thought changes would be more subtle like GFCF changes.

 

eliminating those fruits and berries....is that a phenol thing?   We don't really experience the hyperactivity in the classic sense of the word here, but my son does stim.

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Part of Feingold is removing artificial flavors, colors and preservatives. You may have already done this.The other part is removing several fruits which for whatever reason are known to cause hyper behavior. I didn't want to do it when I first learned about it, because the fruits include apples, oranges, and all berries. " WTF? " I thought, " those are their fav foods. "

They had berries again today (we are not officially on the diet till Thursday) and they were NUTS! Stims I haven't seen my son do in over a week... spinning and licking... and my daughter had another darned meltdown tonight.

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

 

Toni,   Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out.  I found tons of stuff googling " ADHD fight or flight " .   Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender.  Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in.  Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

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I was telling my husband today... I do *get* why some people decide to give a pharmaceutical for certain things, even though not everyone sees why I choose vits/diet.... because IT IS HARD to change diet and figure out what vits are tolerated and what vits counteract others, etc... so much more convenient to give the one pill and let them be kids (ie go to birthday parties, eat pizza.) This topic came up because, while my husband is supportive of the changes we are making and he does see the positive changes, he also worries about me becoming obsessed about it (which I am) 

I sometimes wish I could let go of the hang up I have about using prescription meds... anyway, ya do what ya gotta do! If my son weren't 3.5, I would be considering meds. But I just cannot see even asking abt meds for a 3.5 yr old. It would make more sense for me to just take him out of school and exercise him like crazy to burn up that extra energy. In fact I think I will be trying to stay off the computer a lot harder this summer and keep those two active, but with real activities, not burning off energy stimming LOL

 

We've started him on Adderall xr. (5mgs - smallest dose available)  I must admit I've already gotten a note from school remarking on the significant difference.  We're counting on this being temporary as we work on strategies, personal development and nutritional strength.  This poor kid's been a ticking time bomb.  Finding the right med is tricky - very similar to dietary measures found here...every individual is different  and what works for one may not work for the next.  That's why, in the long run, it's better to fix the root of the problem instead of masking the symptoms with meds.  For now, it's a mean to an end.  I feel it's important to fix it NOW while he is young because we know what will most likely happen as he enters into young

adulthood....it is highly unlikely he will make the best dietary choices and even more unlikely he would bother to takes meds. More so, I don't care to turn him into a life-long consumer of pharmaceuticals

CLO is Cod Liver Oil.   yum!yum!  lol-Tammy

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Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 8:50:44 PMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

 

What meds did you just start??  We may have to do the same along with biomedical just to protect my sons placement.   Also what is CLO?  I'm sure I know it but for some reason I just can't think...must be the stress.

From: T Lynn

Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 6:46 PM

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

 

Toni,   Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out.  I found tons of stuff googling " ADHD fight or flight " .   Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender.  Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in.  Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, June 4, 2010 8:44:11 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression 

What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.   

At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my " get done " time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said " You should have asked permission " and he said something to the effect of " well i was just borrowing it " (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too. 

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

 

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old.  He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school.  His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration.  Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through.  Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy.   My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it.  He is in a self contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2.  They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too.  There may be something to the whole " fight or flight " .   Anyway, we've recently started medication.  It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him.  It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give.  This poor kid is ready to blow.  We're hoping summer vacation helps.  I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com> To: taca-usa@yahoogroup s.com; abmdyahoogroups (DOT) com; mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PM Subject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression 

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to " being a boy. " :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped. "  

She said " I guess it's that fight or flight thing? "  

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into " therapy; " (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one... 

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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ya know, I really have to wonder: how much of my son's tantrumming has just become a habitual way of dealing with disappointment and uncomfortable situations and how much of it is actually physiological? make sense?-tammyTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010

10:42:41 PMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Yep, Feingold is about eliminating phenols & salicylates. .. some are allowed in stage one because they don't seem to affect as many people... watermelon and lemons are allowed on stage 1, and many others.

I didn't think that phenols and salicylates would make that much of a difference in their behavior, despite the wonderful claims. LOL I guess I didn't think it could be that easy... I thought changes would be more subtle like GFCF changes.

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:39 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

eliminating those fruits and berries....is that a phenol thing? We don't really experience the hyperactivity in the classic sense of the word here, but my son does stim.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, June 5, 2010 10:14:03 PM

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Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Part of Feingold is removing artificial flavors, colors and preservatives. You may have already done this.The other part is removing several fruits which for whatever reason are known to cause hyper behavior. I didn't want to do it when I first learned about it, because the fruits include apples, oranges, and all berries. "WTF?" I thought, "those are their fav foods."

They had berries again today (we are not officially on the diet till Thursday) and they were NUTS! Stims I haven't seen my son do in over a week... spinning and licking... and my daughter had another darned meltdown tonight.

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:46 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

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Well if I can be honest for a minute without being discouraging.....all the supplements were really overwhelming. I think it was too much on top of taking away certain foods and really pushing things that arent exactly his favorite ---without seeing any real improvement. So, yes, it is much more convenient to give one little pill in the morning and see a huge change, BUT I don't believe it's a permanent solution - atleast not for us. Adderall can become addicting and that is the last thing I would ever want for my son. I see it as more of a temporary tool. I don't want my kid relying on this for the rest of his life and feeling as if he can't function without it. To me, it's just easier to fix the cause and be done with it once and for all. In the

mean time, we had to get his anxiety under control because he couldn't see past it to learn any real strategies.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 10:45:47 PMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

I was telling my husband today... I do *get* why some people decide to give a pharmaceutical for certain things, even though not everyone sees why I choose vits/diet... . because IT IS HARD to change diet and figure out what vits are tolerated and what vits counteract others, etc... so much more convenient to give the one pill and let them be kids (ie go to birthday parties, eat pizza.) This topic came up because, while my husband is supportive of the changes we are making and he does see the positive changes, he also worries about me becoming obsessed about it (which I am)

I sometimes wish I could let go of the hang up I have about using prescription meds... anyway, ya do what ya gotta do! If my son weren't 3.5, I would be considering meds. But I just cannot see even asking abt meds for a 3.5 yr old. It would make more sense for me to just take him out of school and exercise him like crazy to burn up that extra energy. In fact I think I will be trying to stay off the computer a lot harder this summer and keep those two active, but with real activities, not burning off energy stimming LOL

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:31 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

We've started him on Adderall xr. (5mgs - smallest dose available) I must admit I've already gotten a note from school remarking on the significant difference. We're counting on this being temporary as we work on strategies, personal development and nutritional strength. This poor kid's been a ticking time bomb. Finding the right med is tricky - very similar to dietary measures found here...every individual is different and what works for one may not work for the next. That's why, in the long run, it's better to fix the root of the problem instead of masking the symptoms with meds. For now, it's a mean to an end. I feel it's important to fix it NOW while he is young because we know what will most likely happen as he enters into young

adulthood... .it is highly unlikely he will make the best dietary choices and even more unlikely he would bother to takes meds. More so, I don't care to turn him into a life-long consumer of pharmaceuticals

CLO is Cod Liver Oil. yum!yum! lol-Tammy

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Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 8:50:44 PMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

What meds did you just start?? We may have to do the same along with biomedical just to protect my sons placement. Also what is CLO? I'm sure I know it but for some reason I just can't think...must be the stress.

From: T Lynn

Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 6:46 PM

To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

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Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, June 4, 2010 8:44:11 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.

At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my "get done" time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said "You should have asked permission" and he said something to the effect of "well i was just borrowing it" (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too.

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old. He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school. His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration. Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through. Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy. My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it. He is in a self contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2. They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too. There may be something to the whole "fight or flight". Anyway, we've recently started medication. It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him. It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give. This poor kid is ready to blow. We're hoping summer vacation helps. I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com> To: taca-usa@yahoogroup s.com; abmdyahoogroups (DOT) com; mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PM Subject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to "being a boy." :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped."

She said "I guess it's that fight or flight thing?"

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into "therapy;" (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one...

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

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Exactly! Just like we can't wait for science to PROVE that vitamins work, to help our kids, sometimes we can't wait for ourselves to figure out the right combo while they flounder back and forth. 

My son is having a few good days now, if I can get him to where most of his days are good, I will feel more comfortable adding a supplement or even trying Super Nu Thera (which would eliminate all the single vitamins) but it was way too confusing trying to figure out supps when first starting the diet... and not knowing what behaviors were what... things are becoming clearer for me.

When I first looked at Feingold last year, because all those were fav foods here, I thought there was no way I could do it. But after looking at so many other diets, Feingold actually seems quite liberal LOL 

 

Well if I can be honest for a minute without being discouraging.....all the supplements were really overwhelming.  I think it was too much on top of taking away certain foods and really pushing things that arent exactly his favorite ---without seeing any real improvement.   So, yes, it is much more convenient to give one little pill in the morning and see a huge change, BUT I don't believe it's a permanent solution - atleast not for us.  Adderall can become addicting and that is the last thing I would ever want for my son.  I see it as more of a temporary tool.  I don't want my kid relying on this for the rest of his life and feeling as if he can't function without it.  To me, it's just easier to fix the cause and be done with it once and for all.  In the

mean time, we had to get his anxiety under control because he couldn't see past it to learn any real strategies.

To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 10:45:47 PM

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I was telling my husband today... I do *get* why some people decide to give a pharmaceutical for certain things, even though not everyone sees why I choose vits/diet... . because IT IS HARD to change diet and figure out what vits are tolerated and what vits counteract others, etc... so much more convenient to give the one pill and let them be kids (ie go to birthday parties, eat pizza.) This topic came up because, while my husband is supportive of the changes we are making and he does see the positive changes, he also worries about me becoming obsessed about it (which I am) 

I sometimes wish I could let go of the hang up I have about using prescription meds... anyway, ya do what ya gotta do! If my son weren't 3.5, I would be considering meds. But I just cannot see even asking abt meds for a 3.5 yr old. It would make more sense for me to just take him out of school and exercise him like crazy to burn up that extra energy. In fact I think I will be trying to stay off the computer a lot harder this summer and keep those two active, but with real activities, not burning off energy stimming LOL

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:31 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

 

We've started him on Adderall xr. (5mgs - smallest dose available)  I must admit I've already gotten a note from school remarking on the significant difference.  We're counting on this being temporary as we work on strategies, personal development and nutritional strength.  This poor kid's been a ticking time bomb.  Finding the right med is tricky - very similar to dietary measures found here...every individual is different  and what works for one may not work for the next.  That's why, in the long run, it's better to fix the root of the problem instead of masking the symptoms with meds.  For now, it's a mean to an end.  I feel it's important to fix it NOW while he is young because we know what will most likely happen as he enters into young

adulthood... .it is highly unlikely he will make the best dietary choices and even more unlikely he would bother to takes meds. More so, I don't care to turn him into a life-long consumer of pharmaceuticals

CLO is Cod Liver Oil.   yum!yum!  lol-Tammy

From: Denice <DeniceRulomsn (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

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What meds did you just start??  We may have to do the same along with biomedical just to protect my sons placement.   Also what is CLO?  I'm sure I know it but for some reason I just can't think...must be the stress.

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Toni,   Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out.  I found tons of stuff googling " ADHD fight or flight " .   Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender.  Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in.  Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, June 4, 2010 8:44:11 AMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression 

What we have done this week is have him home a couple days. So he is spending a couple days with me and a couple days at school.   

At home on Tuesday he played on the computer a bit and just helped me with stuff or stayed out of my way so I could get my stuff done. He was independent enough that it didn't screw up my " get done " time, which is important to my sanity LOL

In the past two weeks, we have been using organic lemonade (lightly sweetened) for drinks instead of apple juice. This is in anticipation of going full tilt with Feingold next week. Anyway, he has been calmer. Last night in karate, he was almost sedated; this was after the normal dose of GABA-calm and CLO (which I give to help him focus) so maybe just this simple change is helping a bit. He didn't used to get full strength juice, it was watered down 50/50, but it was pretty much unlimited (not good for yeast either)

Yesterday, before my daughter went to my dad's and had a bunch of non-feingold approved snacks (!!!) the two of them had a normal conversation. I think I could have fainted. He took her necklace off the coffee table and she said " You should have asked permission " and he said something to the effect of " well i was just borrowing it " (in his speech-delayed pronunciation LOL) Anyway it was a huge improvement over her screaming falling down into a tantrum and him punching her and pulling her hair (normal confrontation tactics)

My daughter had dried pineapple in some bad preservative, an apple cereal bar, blueberries and cashews over at my dads. She came home fussy, attitude problem and had a tantrum before bed. Meh. Well, anyway, I am looking forward to adding Feingold to the GFCF and also being stricter about soy-free too. 

Well, the point was if you haven't looked at Feingold, you might want to. It isn't as restrictive as I thought it would be. Well, we are big fruit eaters here so it is sad to give up all berries, and my daughter loves apples. But it's only for 6 weeks and then you can try to add things back in... basically it is an elimination diet that tells you what to eliminate first. I spent 100$ on the Feingold info (an extra food list) and I think the normal price is 85$. But the info includes a book that tells you what foods are allowable and what are not... the nice thing about the book is it also indicates GF foods.

I am also getting ready to order some stuff that I've been putting off (another probiotic and some enzymes) I need to make a list because I don't want to make a big order and forget something and turn around and need to make a little one. :-\ I guess I better look at my FG approved list LOL. This stuff gets complicated! :-p

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:46 AM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

 

Toni, I am experiencing this to a tee with my (nearly)8 year old.  He was recently dx'd with PDD, ADHD and anxiety and is going through much of the same at school.  His anxiety is definitely played out with anger and frustration.  Two weeks ago, he tried leaving school when he became angry with the teacher's aid for taking away his multiplication chart - they had to block the doorway as he tried to push his way through.  Then last week he charged after the same aid swinging - lucky for us my daughter was there and held him back otherwise, he would've punched the guy.   My son's always been a pretty laid back guy - very easy going and content - all this frustration and tantruming began about 6 months ago and we're all still very surprised by it.  He is in a self contained classroom and has been with the same teacher and aids for k-2.  They know him very well - he has changed so much in such a short time....we're seeing the same thing at home, too.  There may be something to the whole " fight or flight " .   Anyway, we've recently started medication.  It's not my favorite option and it's our hope to use it short term while we still work to get him nutritionally strong and get some good strategy skills in place for him.  It's too soon to tell as we're only into day three but something's gotta give.  This poor kid is ready to blow.  We're hoping summer vacation helps.  I'll let you know anything I find during my own research.

From: Toni Marie Lombardo <bellbabygmail (DOT) com> To: taca-usa@yahoogroup s.com; abmdyahoogroups (DOT) com; mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thu, May 27, 2010 10:51:10 PM Subject: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression 

Sorry for the xpost :-)

My son is 3.5 and attends regular (private) pre-k. He is un-dx'd but has ASD behaviors. We took him to a DAN last month (with my ASD daughter) and the DAN suggested that maybe some of his hyperactive behavior at school is due to SPD, which my daughter also has. I hadn't really thought about it that way, that the climbing on tables and jumping off, and running down the hallway, were SPD - my daughter's SPD didn't manifest that way so I guess I missed it. I've missed a lot with my son, attributing a lot of behavior to " being a boy. " :-\

Anyway, I've been having a bad couple days and while I was venting to a friend (who has an ADHD 6 yr old) about my son, I said I just didn't get how the first semester he was fine in school, getting along with kids but we were worried about him running away, since he was escaping from the school and running a lot. Then I said, this semester he has just been fighting, biting, hitting, and the running/escaping has stopped. "  

She said " I guess it's that fight or flight thing? "  

Well, gosh that really stuck with me. She doesn't have an ASD child, not into biomedical or even too much into " therapy; " (she treats her ADHD child with ritalin-like meds) but I just thought this was brilliant. My daughter has high anxiety... maybe my son does too and it is manifesting itself as aggression?? My daughter's has been tantrums.

I searched Dr. Google and didn't find a whole lot on the topic, so maybe my search isn't a good one... 

What do you think? Have you experienced this?

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states.

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I teach special ed. You hit the nail on the head. That is why it so important

not to allow it to work as communication, stress release, or ritual.

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become a habitual way of dealing with disappointment and uncomfortable

situations and how much of it is actually physiological? make sense?

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Well, he's finally at a point where he can kinda wrap his head around abstract concepts. you know, we can sort of "what if" with him now, so it's time to work on strategies with him. He's getting beyond social stories and needs something "meatier" at this point. His friends are getting fed up with the crying fits - even his best friend (nt) who loves my son like a brother can only tolerate him in small doses. In essence, he's isolating himself with this behavior. I think at one point it was getting him what he wanted at school (because they were so concerned about self-advocacy) but that little party has come to an end. We've got to figure this out.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 12:41:05 PMSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / Aggression

I teach special ed. You hit the nail on the head. That is why it so important not to allow it to work as communication, stress release, or ritual.

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Does he have sound sensitivity (SPD)? My daughter does... what I told her is that all the noise hurts my ears like it hurts hers... so I just tell her that everyone is like her, doesn't want to hear all that noise. When we are at home, I tell her she can go make that noise in her room.

So that might be a way for him to see that his friends are not going to want to deal with that noise.

 

Well, he's finally at a point where he can kinda wrap his head around abstract concepts.  you know, we can sort of  " what if "   with him now, so it's time to work on strategies with him.  He's getting beyond social stories and needs something " meatier " at this point.  His friends are getting fed up with the crying fits - even his best friend (nt) who loves my son like a brother can only tolerate him in small doses. In essence, he's isolating himself with this behavior.  I think at one point it was getting him what he wanted at school (because they were so concerned about self-advocacy) but that little party has come to an end.  We've got to figure this out.

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I teach special ed. You hit the nail on the head. That is why it so important not to allow it to work as communication, stress release, or ritual.

Jen

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He used to have sound sensitivity but that's worked itself out over time -the rest of us have all developed spd listening to him! lolTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:01:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: XPOST:

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Does he have sound sensitivity (SPD)? My daughter does... what I told her is that all the noise hurts my ears like it hurts hers... so I just tell her that everyone is like her, doesn't want to hear all that noise. When we are at home, I tell her she can go make that noise in her room.

So that might be a way for him to see that his friends are not going to want to deal with that noise.On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Well, he's finally at a point where he can kinda wrap his head around abstract concepts. you know, we can sort of "what if" with him now, so it's time to work on strategies with him. He's getting beyond social stories and needs something "meatier" at this point. His friends are getting fed up with the crying fits - even his best friend (nt) who loves my son like a brother can only tolerate him in small doses. In essence, he's isolating himself with this behavior. I think at one point it was getting him what he wanted at school (because they were so concerned about self-advocacy) but that little party has come to an end. We've got to figure this out.

From: S <iferstevens@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

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I teach special ed. You hit the nail on the head. That is why it so important not to allow it to work as communication, stress release, or ritual.

Jen

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> ya know, I really have to wonder: how much of my son's tantrumming has just become a habitual way of dealing with disappointment and uncomfortable situations and how much of it is actually physiological? make sense?

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He used to have sound sensitivity but that's worked itself out over time -the rest of us have all developed spd listening to him! lolTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:01:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: XPOST:

Anxiety / Aggression

Does he have sound sensitivity (SPD)? My daughter does... what I told her is that all the noise hurts my ears like it hurts hers... so I just tell her that everyone is like her, doesn't want to hear all that noise. When we are at home, I tell her she can go make that noise in her room.

So that might be a way for him to see that his friends are not going to want to deal with that noise.On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:56 PM, T Lynn <t.lynn28@rocketmail .com> wrote:

Well, he's finally at a point where he can kinda wrap his head around abstract concepts. you know, we can sort of "what if" with him now, so it's time to work on strategies with him. He's getting beyond social stories and needs something "meatier" at this point. His friends are getting fed up with the crying fits - even his best friend (nt) who loves my son like a brother can only tolerate him in small doses. In essence, he's isolating himself with this behavior. I think at one point it was getting him what he wanted at school (because they were so concerned about self-advocacy) but that little party has come to an end. We've got to figure this out.

From: S <iferstevens@ yahoo.com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com

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I teach special ed. You hit the nail on the head. That is why it so important not to allow it to work as communication, stress release, or ritual.

Jen

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> ya know, I really have to wonder: how much of my son's tantrumming has just become a habitual way of dealing with disappointment and uncomfortable situations and how much of it is actually physiological? make sense?

> -tammy

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Makes complete sense to me! I was just wondering this same thing this weekend (about my son - not yours ~ LOL)

Toni, Hm....I'm not familiar with Feingold except to say I've heard it mentioned here on the board - I'll definitely check it out....at this point, I'm willing to try just about anything ...though the food elimination thing was only furthering his stress so we've quit (to a degree) till school lets out. I found tons of stuff googling "ADHD fight or flight". Most biomed suggestions are CLO, b 3,6,9 vitamins and soothing oils such as lavender. Things have been crazy around here so I haven't had tons of time to dive in. Keep us posted on the Feingold diet.

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wow .. really does that happen with berries becuz my son had blueberries today

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usually this is a phenol thing...salicylates and phenols can make our kids crazy cause it builds up in their bodies like oxidative stress. We found No-Fenol takes care of it for us but some kids, even with the No-Fenol, need to restrict the high phenols.nancy jSubject: Re: XPOST: Anxiety / AggressionTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 12:09 AM

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Yes, berries were making them nutso this weekend. So glad when Thursday gets here, as we will be strictly adhering to Feingold then.

 

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