Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 Hi Felicia, You are so right about these doctors, making a lot of money from our appointments with them! Especially the specialists. I am just not a hell raiser...how can I become one? Really, I wish I could be. It's funny, I was in this 'conversation' the other night with my guy in CA. He was mad at me for something, and I said: I don't want to argue about this...(meaning that *I* did not want to argue, that I wanted to come to an understanding) and he said: Argue with me! I want you to argue with me. So I did. I guess I am afraid of the results. Like if I see a doctor, and I get mad, he won't treat me correctly or good enough. It's like some dumb thing. I am going to try very hard to say something to the dr. when I see him. (This is definitely a family thing, my mother would rant and rave at us and I would never fight back, just feel stunned into silence. My sister...she would fight back and I always wished I could). I will email you off list about the school stuff..thank you!! ~patricia Re: gaslighting Wow, ~ That's a lot said there... I'm sorry you're experiencing this and having trouble with the doctors. What about a patient advocate? Or, perhaps you can write a letter of explanation to your primary doctor letting him/her know who you've seen, their procedures, assessments, etc. Then you can identify your pain on number scale and identify how that has or has not changed over the time of your recovery?!?! ?! It probably doesn't help that you're going through emotional pain in conjunction with the physical aspet and you're not able to get out and be active, like you'd prefer. That causes its own ball of wax. Whatever happened to a primary care physician being responsible for advocating for their patient? Nowadays the PCP is the least paid and most over-worked in the profession. They have to send you to specialists because they're not licensed to do the special procedures of other doctors... Sad You've got to be the one expressing your needs to all of your doctors. And there are a number of times you have to be adamant and persistent in your communication. Keep trudging, ! I'll be praying for your pain to decrease and the medical professionals to get their act together. You're not alone. Keep talking about this and asking for help. Please don't shut down and/or give up on what you need. Hugs, Dolly > > I'm sorry you're not feeling well, I know how pain can make one > depressed... I have severe arthritis in my knees, and pain in the backs of > my thigh muscles...meds only help to a point :-( I'm sorry your drs dont > seem to be able ( or want to) help you...thats rough !! > > > Jackie > > > > Hi , > Thank you for your compassion about my pain/injury. I had a fall at work on > my left butt and then I work in this sort of left facing way, bending and > lifting. It has loosened my S-I joint which is not supposed to move. First > I went to my doctor, he sent me to the chiropractor and I went there for > weeks, then to a specialist (first back to the doctor). That specialist > prescribed P/T for twelve visits. I had a trip planned in between that, and > when I got back I went to four visits and then they said: oh that is all you > are covered for. Went back to specialist she gives me a shot (no x-ray) and > says come back. But she also says: well what do you want me to do? She > won't give me a no-working note. Why? And why ask me what do I want her to > do? Meanwhile dealing with workers comp insurance, getting approvals etc. > > I go away and shot doesn't work come back and dr says; I don't know what to > do for you. We can do an MRI because your x-rays are fine. Am *I* the > doctor? Have I studied for years this stuff? Am *I* the only one who has > unrelenting pain because of work? She tells me I should find another job. > I said: what? Am I supposed to leave a job where I have a claim (I would > lose my claim if I leave, there is a protocol); limp away? To what? > Another job that aggravates my sacrum but can get no workers comp or > insurance or time off with pay? > How out of touch can these people be? > > I went back to my dr and he sends me (for some reason as the last resort??) > to a spine specialist. This guy explains to me exactly what is wrong and > why I need an injection with an x-ray. I am so grateful to finally > understand what is wrong with me, why the brace I had before did not work, > etc. Finally relieved to have a plan. So I call his reception to give > information for insurance approval and asked for pain medication because the > night before I was dying in pain. And I am alone here, no one to massage my > legs and butt area where it hurts so bad. Ibuprofen doesn't work. I make > the mistake of saying alcohol helps it. > > So I am taking a nap and the phone goes off and I answer because of all > these insurance and dr calls i have out. The new dr says: I don't > understand why you are asking me for painkillers, like, why now? You have > had this injury since june of 09. You've seen me one time and you are > asking me now? (his concern of course is that I am using him to get > narcotics and then going t my reg dr saying my script ran out and can i get > more). > > Well he does not know me at all! And I was like a deer in headlights. I > asked myself: why now? And I couldn't articulate that I felt like I was > finally with the right doctor who could help me get a hold on this really > painful condition. That I normally tolerate pain and endure a lot of pain > (probably sounds familiar to a lot of people here). How could I tell him > that I am having a hard time managing EVERYthing in my life because I am > going through intense complicated grief at the same time and this pain is > wearing me down? > > All while he is having this weird accusing tone? When he was so nice in the > office. He says: don't take ibuprofen it could cause bleeding in the > stomach. And alcohol is bad too. I will call your dr and ask him. He > calls back later and leaves a message saying: your doctor said no. > You should talk to him. I call my dr's nurse and she says: he says you > should talk to your actual primary dr. (Who is usually not easy to get into > see because he started another practice doing laser). WTF!! Talk about > triggering issues of pain not being taken care of! > > My pain, as a child, was never never addressed. I had some accidents and > was never held and shushhed. My father (the non emotional one) always took > me to the dr or hospital for stitches. Our dentist did not use novacaine on > us. I have a huge avoidance to dental work now. Even though I need it. > Even if just a cleaning. > And now, here I am suffering and they are acting like I am a druggie. My > sister died from that! > > My reaction is to go into victim, sad mode. Poor me. But I have people > encouraging me to get mad and demand help (these are guys). But I will say > something when I get my shot; I have this fear that he won't help me now. > It has added to my stress in life in a way I did not need at all. > > Sorry this is long; i probably am repeating myself. But I just can't > believe it! (Although when I went to the gynecologist and told her that I > feel during PMS i am almost suicidal, which is not normal; normally I am > just bitchy, she looked at me blankly. She said: I can put you on the pill > but only for three years (til 50); and I don't do well with the pill at all, > it makes me depressed. She mentioned antidepressants (drs must be glad to > be able to go to that and send you away) and pretty much left the room) > > I really can understand now what my sister went through with her doctor > situation; the judgments they had, the unwillingness to understand her life > and how to really help her. Ironically, I have barely done drugs in my > life. I drink now at night, because it is the only thing that helps my > sadness and pain, the ONLY thing. I have one, maybe two drinks. That is > it. I live alone, have incredible grief, have a child who needs help in > school but is being > refused (illegally in my opinion) and I have bad pain in the area of my body > that keeps me from doing what usually helps me which is hiking and dancing. > (Dr told me the only thing I could do is tread water...pay ten dollars a > shot to go in a pool somewhere... where I don't know to tread water) > > I want to get into Public Health because I want to help people in a way that > actually helps. But maybe I should educate doctors ...I wonder if that is > an aspect of public health that I could get hired for.... > Now there is an idea! > If you read this long, thank you > ~patricia > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at BPDCentral (DOT) com. SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 Hi Felicia, You are so right about these doctors, making a lot of money from our appointments with them! Especially the specialists. I am just not a hell raiser...how can I become one? Really, I wish I could be. It's funny, I was in this 'conversation' the other night with my guy in CA. He was mad at me for something, and I said: I don't want to argue about this...(meaning that *I* did not want to argue, that I wanted to come to an understanding) and he said: Argue with me! I want you to argue with me. So I did. I guess I am afraid of the results. Like if I see a doctor, and I get mad, he won't treat me correctly or good enough. It's like some dumb thing. I am going to try very hard to say something to the dr. when I see him. (This is definitely a family thing, my mother would rant and rave at us and I would never fight back, just feel stunned into silence. My sister...she would fight back and I always wished I could). I will email you off list about the school stuff..thank you!! ~patricia Re: gaslighting Wow, ~ That's a lot said there... I'm sorry you're experiencing this and having trouble with the doctors. What about a patient advocate? Or, perhaps you can write a letter of explanation to your primary doctor letting him/her know who you've seen, their procedures, assessments, etc. Then you can identify your pain on number scale and identify how that has or has not changed over the time of your recovery?!?! ?! It probably doesn't help that you're going through emotional pain in conjunction with the physical aspet and you're not able to get out and be active, like you'd prefer. That causes its own ball of wax. Whatever happened to a primary care physician being responsible for advocating for their patient? Nowadays the PCP is the least paid and most over-worked in the profession. They have to send you to specialists because they're not licensed to do the special procedures of other doctors... Sad You've got to be the one expressing your needs to all of your doctors. And there are a number of times you have to be adamant and persistent in your communication. Keep trudging, ! I'll be praying for your pain to decrease and the medical professionals to get their act together. You're not alone. Keep talking about this and asking for help. Please don't shut down and/or give up on what you need. Hugs, Dolly > > I'm sorry you're not feeling well, I know how pain can make one > depressed... I have severe arthritis in my knees, and pain in the backs of > my thigh muscles...meds only help to a point :-( I'm sorry your drs dont > seem to be able ( or want to) help you...thats rough !! > > > Jackie > > > > Hi , > Thank you for your compassion about my pain/injury. I had a fall at work on > my left butt and then I work in this sort of left facing way, bending and > lifting. It has loosened my S-I joint which is not supposed to move. First > I went to my doctor, he sent me to the chiropractor and I went there for > weeks, then to a specialist (first back to the doctor). That specialist > prescribed P/T for twelve visits. I had a trip planned in between that, and > when I got back I went to four visits and then they said: oh that is all you > are covered for. Went back to specialist she gives me a shot (no x-ray) and > says come back. But she also says: well what do you want me to do? She > won't give me a no-working note. Why? And why ask me what do I want her to > do? Meanwhile dealing with workers comp insurance, getting approvals etc. > > I go away and shot doesn't work come back and dr says; I don't know what to > do for you. We can do an MRI because your x-rays are fine. Am *I* the > doctor? Have I studied for years this stuff? Am *I* the only one who has > unrelenting pain because of work? She tells me I should find another job. > I said: what? Am I supposed to leave a job where I have a claim (I would > lose my claim if I leave, there is a protocol); limp away? To what? > Another job that aggravates my sacrum but can get no workers comp or > insurance or time off with pay? > How out of touch can these people be? > > I went back to my dr and he sends me (for some reason as the last resort??) > to a spine specialist. This guy explains to me exactly what is wrong and > why I need an injection with an x-ray. I am so grateful to finally > understand what is wrong with me, why the brace I had before did not work, > etc. Finally relieved to have a plan. So I call his reception to give > information for insurance approval and asked for pain medication because the > night before I was dying in pain. And I am alone here, no one to massage my > legs and butt area where it hurts so bad. Ibuprofen doesn't work. I make > the mistake of saying alcohol helps it. > > So I am taking a nap and the phone goes off and I answer because of all > these insurance and dr calls i have out. The new dr says: I don't > understand why you are asking me for painkillers, like, why now? You have > had this injury since june of 09. You've seen me one time and you are > asking me now? (his concern of course is that I am using him to get > narcotics and then going t my reg dr saying my script ran out and can i get > more). > > Well he does not know me at all! And I was like a deer in headlights. I > asked myself: why now? And I couldn't articulate that I felt like I was > finally with the right doctor who could help me get a hold on this really > painful condition. That I normally tolerate pain and endure a lot of pain > (probably sounds familiar to a lot of people here). How could I tell him > that I am having a hard time managing EVERYthing in my life because I am > going through intense complicated grief at the same time and this pain is > wearing me down? > > All while he is having this weird accusing tone? When he was so nice in the > office. He says: don't take ibuprofen it could cause bleeding in the > stomach. And alcohol is bad too. I will call your dr and ask him. He > calls back later and leaves a message saying: your doctor said no. > You should talk to him. I call my dr's nurse and she says: he says you > should talk to your actual primary dr. (Who is usually not easy to get into > see because he started another practice doing laser). WTF!! Talk about > triggering issues of pain not being taken care of! > > My pain, as a child, was never never addressed. I had some accidents and > was never held and shushhed. My father (the non emotional one) always took > me to the dr or hospital for stitches. Our dentist did not use novacaine on > us. I have a huge avoidance to dental work now. Even though I need it. > Even if just a cleaning. > And now, here I am suffering and they are acting like I am a druggie. My > sister died from that! > > My reaction is to go into victim, sad mode. Poor me. But I have people > encouraging me to get mad and demand help (these are guys). But I will say > something when I get my shot; I have this fear that he won't help me now. > It has added to my stress in life in a way I did not need at all. > > Sorry this is long; i probably am repeating myself. But I just can't > believe it! (Although when I went to the gynecologist and told her that I > feel during PMS i am almost suicidal, which is not normal; normally I am > just bitchy, she looked at me blankly. She said: I can put you on the pill > but only for three years (til 50); and I don't do well with the pill at all, > it makes me depressed. She mentioned antidepressants (drs must be glad to > be able to go to that and send you away) and pretty much left the room) > > I really can understand now what my sister went through with her doctor > situation; the judgments they had, the unwillingness to understand her life > and how to really help her. Ironically, I have barely done drugs in my > life. I drink now at night, because it is the only thing that helps my > sadness and pain, the ONLY thing. I have one, maybe two drinks. That is > it. I live alone, have incredible grief, have a child who needs help in > school but is being > refused (illegally in my opinion) and I have bad pain in the area of my body > that keeps me from doing what usually helps me which is hiking and dancing. > (Dr told me the only thing I could do is tread water...pay ten dollars a > shot to go in a pool somewhere... where I don't know to tread water) > > I want to get into Public Health because I want to help people in a way that > actually helps. But maybe I should educate doctors ...I wonder if that is > an aspect of public health that I could get hired for.... > Now there is an idea! > If you read this long, thank you > ~patricia > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at BPDCentral (DOT) com. SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 , much sympathies about the doctor situation. It would make me Furious with a capital F to have people assuming I was a drug seeker. It's got to be awful to have just the sheer insult of that along with the pain you are experiencing. I can understand your reticence but acting insulted and demanding they come right out and justify why they are treating you like a drug seeker - in writing - might make them back down. Still I know...you worry after that how can you then go to normal appointments w/o it being incredibly awkward, but just a thought. I have the severe PMS as well which if I'm already depressed can lead to some suicidal ideation like you describe. When I was on an SSRI it did damp that down a whole lot. I know that there are good reasons not to take those drugs as well too. Have you ever tried them? If you are open to herbal remedies you might consider trying to take Vitex (it's from the chasteberry tree) every day and see what effects it has on your cycle and moods - I can guarantee you it will do *something*..just have to see if it's what you want it to do. > > > > I'm sorry you're not feeling well, I know how pain can make one > > depressed... I have severe arthritis in my knees, and pain in the backs of > > my thigh muscles...meds only help to a point :-( I'm sorry your drs dont > > seem to be able ( or want to) help you...thats rough !! > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > Hi , > > Thank you for your compassion about my pain/injury. I had a fall at work on > > my left butt and then I work in this sort of left facing way, bending and > > lifting. It has loosened my S-I joint which is not supposed to move. First > > I went to my doctor, he sent me to the chiropractor and I went there for > > weeks, then to a specialist (first back to the doctor). That specialist > > prescribed P/T for twelve visits. I had a trip planned in between that, and > > when I got back I went to four visits and then they said: oh that is all you > > are covered for. Went back to specialist she gives me a shot (no x-ray) and > > says come back. But she also says: well what do you want me to do? She > > won't give me a no-working note. Why? And why ask me what do I want her to > > do? Meanwhile dealing with workers comp insurance, getting approvals etc. > > > > I go away and shot doesn't work come back and dr says; I don't know what to > > do for you. We can do an MRI because your x-rays are fine. Am *I* the > > doctor? Have I studied for years this stuff? Am *I* the only one who has > > unrelenting pain because of work? She tells me I should find another job. > > I said: what? Am I supposed to leave a job where I have a claim (I would > > lose my claim if I leave, there is a protocol); limp away? To what? > > Another job that aggravates my sacrum but can get no workers comp or > > insurance or time off with pay? > > How out of touch can these people be? > > > > I went back to my dr and he sends me (for some reason as the last resort??) > > to a spine specialist. This guy explains to me exactly what is wrong and > > why I need an injection with an x-ray. I am so grateful to finally > > understand what is wrong with me, why the brace I had before did not work, > > etc. Finally relieved to have a plan. So I call his reception to give > > information for insurance approval and asked for pain medication because the > > night before I was dying in pain. And I am alone here, no one to massage my > > legs and butt area where it hurts so bad. Ibuprofen doesn't work. I make > > the mistake of saying alcohol helps it. > > > > So I am taking a nap and the phone goes off and I answer because of all > > these insurance and dr calls i have out. The new dr says: I don't > > understand why you are asking me for painkillers, like, why now? You have > > had this injury since june of 09. You've seen me one time and you are > > asking me now? (his concern of course is that I am using him to get > > narcotics and then going t my reg dr saying my script ran out and can i get > > more). > > > > Well he does not know me at all! And I was like a deer in headlights. I > > asked myself: why now? And I couldn't articulate that I felt like I was > > finally with the right doctor who could help me get a hold on this really > > painful condition. That I normally tolerate pain and endure a lot of pain > > (probably sounds familiar to a lot of people here). How could I tell him > > that I am having a hard time managing EVERYthing in my life because I am > > going through intense complicated grief at the same time and this pain is > > wearing me down? > > > > All while he is having this weird accusing tone? When he was so nice in the > > office. He says: don't take ibuprofen it could cause bleeding in the > > stomach. And alcohol is bad too. I will call your dr and ask him. He > > calls back later and leaves a message saying: your doctor said no. > > You should talk to him. I call my dr's nurse and she says: he says you > > should talk to your actual primary dr. (Who is usually not easy to get into > > see because he started another practice doing laser). WTF!! Talk about > > triggering issues of pain not being taken care of! > > > > My pain, as a child, was never never addressed. I had some accidents and > > was never held and shushhed. My father (the non emotional one) always took > > me to the dr or hospital for stitches. Our dentist did not use novacaine on > > us. I have a huge avoidance to dental work now. Even though I need it. > > Even if just a cleaning. > > And now, here I am suffering and they are acting like I am a druggie. My > > sister died from that! > > > > My reaction is to go into victim, sad mode. Poor me. But I have people > > encouraging me to get mad and demand help (these are guys). But I will say > > something when I get my shot; I have this fear that he won't help me now. > > It has added to my stress in life in a way I did not need at all. > > > > Sorry this is long; i probably am repeating myself. But I just can't > > believe it! (Although when I went to the gynecologist and told her that I > > feel during PMS i am almost suicidal, which is not normal; normally I am > > just bitchy, she looked at me blankly. She said: I can put you on the pill > > but only for three years (til 50); and I don't do well with the pill at all, > > it makes me depressed. She mentioned antidepressants (drs must be glad to > > be able to go to that and send you away) and pretty much left the room) > > > > I really can understand now what my sister went through with her doctor > > situation; the judgments they had, the unwillingness to understand her life > > and how to really help her. Ironically, I have barely done drugs in my > > life. I drink now at night, because it is the only thing that helps my > > sadness and pain, the ONLY thing. I have one, maybe two drinks. That is > > it. I live alone, have incredible grief, have a child who needs help in > > school but is being > > refused (illegally in my opinion) and I have bad pain in the area of my body > > that keeps me from doing what usually helps me which is hiking and dancing. > > (Dr told me the only thing I could do is tread water...pay ten dollars a > > shot to go in a pool somewhere... where I don't know to tread water) > > > > I want to get into Public Health because I want to help people in a way that > > actually helps. But maybe I should educate doctors ...I wonder if that is > > an aspect of public health that I could get hired for.... > > Now there is an idea! > > If you read this long, thank you > > ~patricia > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at BPDCentral (DOT) com. SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2010 Report Share Posted April 26, 2010 Hi , I like your last statement: It will do *something* just have to see if it's what you want.... I will give it a try though. I am tired of the whole doctor thing, you know? That whole drug-seeker idea, god, if one looked at my chart, he could see that there is nothing there, and whole years skipped of even going when I should have. (I may have kept up with the gyno but not the mammos, but this year I did). I mean, really, if one wanted to find drugs, she could find them without the prescription pad. I am feeling really in a victim place; I hate it. And yet it is like it is here in me sort of crying and crying for attention. It's not how I used to be; I used to be fairly stoic. Not towards my son, but towards myself. I have tried SSRIs and lamictal combined, small doses, and it worked for a little while but that effect ended. It is such a trial to go through figuring out what, how much, etc, and all the appointments, co-pays and all that. My thought was to remove stresses one by one; but it seems that they just keep piling on. Maybe it is some corporate plot to sap the energy of the people, keep us too stressed to see what they are doing! That is what I think. It makes me mad. But that is probably a rant that could go on for pages with me. Anyway, thanks for your idea; I will look next time I am at the store for chaste berry. ~patricia Re: dr's & meds , much sympathies about the doctor situation. It would make me Furious with a capital F to have people assuming I was a drug seeker. It's got to be awful to have just the sheer insult of that along with the pain you are experiencing. I can understand your reticence but acting insulted and demanding they come right out and justify why they are treating you like a drug seeker - in writing - might make them back down. Still I know...you worry after that how can you then go to normal appointments w/o it being incredibly awkward, but just a thought. I have the severe PMS as well which if I'm already depressed can lead to some suicidal ideation like you describe. When I was on an SSRI it did damp that down a whole lot. I know that there are good reasons not to take those drugs as well too. Have you ever tried them? If you are open to herbal remedies you might consider trying to take Vitex (it's from the chasteberry tree) every day and see what effects it has on your cycle and moods - I can guarantee you it will do *something*..just have to see if it's what you want it to do. > > > > I'm sorry you're not feeling well, I know how pain can make one > > depressed... I have severe arthritis in my knees, and pain in the backs of > > my thigh muscles...meds only help to a point :-( I'm sorry your drs dont > > seem to be able ( or want to) help you...thats rough !! > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > Hi , > > Thank you for your compassion about my pain/injury. I had a fall at work on > > my left butt and then I work in this sort of left facing way, bending and > > lifting. It has loosened my S-I joint which is not supposed to move. First > > I went to my doctor, he sent me to the chiropractor and I went there for > > weeks, then to a specialist (first back to the doctor). That specialist > > prescribed P/T for twelve visits. I had a trip planned in between that, and > > when I got back I went to four visits and then they said: oh that is all you > > are covered for. Went back to specialist she gives me a shot (no x-ray) and > > says come back. But she also says: well what do you want me to do? She > > won't give me a no-working note. Why? And why ask me what do I want her to > > do? Meanwhile dealing with workers comp insurance, getting approvals etc. > > > > I go away and shot doesn't work come back and dr says; I don't know what to > > do for you. We can do an MRI because your x-rays are fine. Am *I* the > > doctor? Have I studied for years this stuff? Am *I* the only one who has > > unrelenting pain because of work? She tells me I should find another job. > > I said: what? Am I supposed to leave a job where I have a claim (I would > > lose my claim if I leave, there is a protocol); limp away? To what? > > Another job that aggravates my sacrum but can get no workers comp or > > insurance or time off with pay? > > How out of touch can these people be? > > > > I went back to my dr and he sends me (for some reason as the last resort??) > > to a spine specialist. This guy explains to me exactly what is wrong and > > why I need an injection with an x-ray. I am so grateful to finally > > understand what is wrong with me, why the brace I had before did not work, > > etc. Finally relieved to have a plan. So I call his reception to give > > information for insurance approval and asked for pain medication because the > > night before I was dying in pain. And I am alone here, no one to massage my > > legs and butt area where it hurts so bad. Ibuprofen doesn't work. I make > > the mistake of saying alcohol helps it. > > > > So I am taking a nap and the phone goes off and I answer because of all > > these insurance and dr calls i have out. The new dr says: I don't > > understand why you are asking me for painkillers, like, why now? You have > > had this injury since june of 09. You've seen me one time and you are > > asking me now? (his concern of course is that I am using him to get > > narcotics and then going t my reg dr saying my script ran out and can i get > > more). > > > > Well he does not know me at all! And I was like a deer in headlights. I > > asked myself: why now? And I couldn't articulate that I felt like I was > > finally with the right doctor who could help me get a hold on this really > > painful condition. That I normally tolerate pain and endure a lot of pain > > (probably sounds familiar to a lot of people here). How could I tell him > > that I am having a hard time managing EVERYthing in my life because I am > > going through intense complicated grief at the same time and this pain is > > wearing me down? > > > > All while he is having this weird accusing tone? When he was so nice in the > > office. He says: don't take ibuprofen it could cause bleeding in the > > stomach. And alcohol is bad too. I will call your dr and ask him. He > > calls back later and leaves a message saying: your doctor said no. > > You should talk to him. I call my dr's nurse and she says: he says you > > should talk to your actual primary dr. (Who is usually not easy to get into > > see because he started another practice doing laser). WTF!! Talk about > > triggering issues of pain not being taken care of! > > > > My pain, as a child, was never never addressed. I had some accidents and > > was never held and shushhed. My father (the non emotional one) always took > > me to the dr or hospital for stitches. Our dentist did not use novacaine on > > us. I have a huge avoidance to dental work now. Even though I need it. > > Even if just a cleaning. > > And now, here I am suffering and they are acting like I am a druggie. My > > sister died from that! > > > > My reaction is to go into victim, sad mode. Poor me. But I have people > > encouraging me to get mad and demand help (these are guys). But I will say > > something when I get my shot; I have this fear that he won't help me now. > > It has added to my stress in life in a way I did not need at all. > > > > Sorry this is long; i probably am repeating myself. But I just can't > > believe it! (Although when I went to the gynecologist and told her that I > > feel during PMS i am almost suicidal, which is not normal; normally I am > > just bitchy, she looked at me blankly. She said: I can put you on the pill > > but only for three years (til 50); and I don't do well with the pill at all, > > it makes me depressed. She mentioned antidepressants (drs must be glad to > > be able to go to that and send you away) and pretty much left the room) > > > > I really can understand now what my sister went through with her doctor > > situation; the judgments they had, the unwillingness to understand her life > > and how to really help her. Ironically, I have barely done drugs in my > > life. I drink now at night, because it is the only thing that helps my > > sadness and pain, the ONLY thing. I have one, maybe two drinks. That is > > it. I live alone, have incredible grief, have a child who needs help in > > school but is being > > refused (illegally in my opinion) and I have bad pain in the area of my body > > that keeps me from doing what usually helps me which is hiking and dancing. > > (Dr told me the only thing I could do is tread water...pay ten dollars a > > shot to go in a pool somewhere... where I don't know to tread water) > > > > I want to get into Public Health because I want to help people in a way that > > actually helps. But maybe I should educate doctors ...I wonder if that is > > an aspect of public health that I could get hired for.... > > Now there is an idea! > > If you read this long, thank you > > ~patricia > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at BPDCentral (DOT) com. SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Hi , here's a link for the Vitex - it's got some good customer reviews too to give you an idea of what it might do http://www.mothernature.com/shop/detail.cfm/sku/86318/tab/2 . I do feel like a bit of a hypocrite recommending SSRI's given my own mixed feelings about them. I can say that I believe antidepressants may have saved my life when I was feeling suicidal, but I can also say that it damned my life as well as I made horrible decisions while taking it. I was cut off from my intuition while on it and it cost me dearly. Still I hear many people say that antidepressants gave them their lives back and made them feel like themselves for the first time....so who is to say? As they say at the carnival you pays your money and you takes your chances. I do hear what you are saying about the many appointments, copays, and adjustments...not pleasant either. One idea I'd throw out there too is meditation. It can be surprisingly beneficial. It can create a still space in which you can give that part of you that is suffering space to expand and release. Kind of like what massage does for a cramped muscle. That's a pretty simplistic description, but if you try it you'll see. You don't have to be a yogi or practice for years - just ten minutes of focusing on your breath can make a world of difference. Guess I'm in advice-giver mode - I know that can be annoying so just as they say take what works forgot the rest...I hope things get better. > > > > > > I'm sorry you're not feeling well, I know how pain can make one > > > depressed... I have severe arthritis in my knees, and pain in the backs of > > > my thigh muscles...meds only help to a point :-( I'm sorry your drs dont > > > seem to be able ( or want to) help you...thats rough !! > > > > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > Thank you for your compassion about my pain/injury. I had a fall at work on > > > my left butt and then I work in this sort of left facing way, bending and > > > lifting. It has loosened my S-I joint which is not supposed to move. First > > > I went to my doctor, he sent me to the chiropractor and I went there for > > > weeks, then to a specialist (first back to the doctor). That specialist > > > prescribed P/T for twelve visits. I had a trip planned in between that, and > > > when I got back I went to four visits and then they said: oh that is all you > > > are covered for. Went back to specialist she gives me a shot (no x-ray) and > > > says come back. But she also says: well what do you want me to do? She > > > won't give me a no-working note. Why? And why ask me what do I want her to > > > do? Meanwhile dealing with workers comp insurance, getting approvals etc. > > > > > > I go away and shot doesn't work come back and dr says; I don't know what to > > > do for you. We can do an MRI because your x-rays are fine. Am *I* the > > > doctor? Have I studied for years this stuff? Am *I* the only one who has > > > unrelenting pain because of work? She tells me I should find another job. > > > I said: what? Am I supposed to leave a job where I have a claim (I would > > > lose my claim if I leave, there is a protocol); limp away? To what? > > > Another job that aggravates my sacrum but can get no workers comp or > > > insurance or time off with pay? > > > How out of touch can these people be? > > > > > > I went back to my dr and he sends me (for some reason as the last resort??) > > > to a spine specialist. This guy explains to me exactly what is wrong and > > > why I need an injection with an x-ray. I am so grateful to finally > > > understand what is wrong with me, why the brace I had before did not work, > > > etc. Finally relieved to have a plan. So I call his reception to give > > > information for insurance approval and asked for pain medication because the > > > night before I was dying in pain. And I am alone here, no one to massage my > > > legs and butt area where it hurts so bad. Ibuprofen doesn't work. I make > > > the mistake of saying alcohol helps it. > > > > > > So I am taking a nap and the phone goes off and I answer because of all > > > these insurance and dr calls i have out. The new dr says: I don't > > > understand why you are asking me for painkillers, like, why now? You have > > > had this injury since june of 09. You've seen me one time and you are > > > asking me now? (his concern of course is that I am using him to get > > > narcotics and then going t my reg dr saying my script ran out and can i get > > > more). > > > > > > Well he does not know me at all! And I was like a deer in headlights. I > > > asked myself: why now? And I couldn't articulate that I felt like I was > > > finally with the right doctor who could help me get a hold on this really > > > painful condition. That I normally tolerate pain and endure a lot of pain > > > (probably sounds familiar to a lot of people here). How could I tell him > > > that I am having a hard time managing EVERYthing in my life because I am > > > going through intense complicated grief at the same time and this pain is > > > wearing me down? > > > > > > All while he is having this weird accusing tone? When he was so nice in the > > > office. He says: don't take ibuprofen it could cause bleeding in the > > > stomach. And alcohol is bad too. I will call your dr and ask him. He > > > calls back later and leaves a message saying: your doctor said no. > > > You should talk to him. I call my dr's nurse and she says: he says you > > > should talk to your actual primary dr. (Who is usually not easy to get into > > > see because he started another practice doing laser). WTF!! Talk about > > > triggering issues of pain not being taken care of! > > > > > > My pain, as a child, was never never addressed. I had some accidents and > > > was never held and shushhed. My father (the non emotional one) always took > > > me to the dr or hospital for stitches. Our dentist did not use novacaine on > > > us. I have a huge avoidance to dental work now. Even though I need it. > > > Even if just a cleaning. > > > And now, here I am suffering and they are acting like I am a druggie. My > > > sister died from that! > > > > > > My reaction is to go into victim, sad mode. Poor me. But I have people > > > encouraging me to get mad and demand help (these are guys). But I will say > > > something when I get my shot; I have this fear that he won't help me now. > > > It has added to my stress in life in a way I did not need at all. > > > > > > Sorry this is long; i probably am repeating myself. But I just can't > > > believe it! (Although when I went to the gynecologist and told her that I > > > feel during PMS i am almost suicidal, which is not normal; normally I am > > > just bitchy, she looked at me blankly. She said: I can put you on the pill > > > but only for three years (til 50); and I don't do well with the pill at all, > > > it makes me depressed. She mentioned antidepressants (drs must be glad to > > > be able to go to that and send you away) and pretty much left the room) > > > > > > I really can understand now what my sister went through with her doctor > > > situation; the judgments they had, the unwillingness to understand her life > > > and how to really help her. Ironically, I have barely done drugs in my > > > life. I drink now at night, because it is the only thing that helps my > > > sadness and pain, the ONLY thing. I have one, maybe two drinks. That is > > > it. I live alone, have incredible grief, have a child who needs help in > > > school but is being > > > refused (illegally in my opinion) and I have bad pain in the area of my body > > > that keeps me from doing what usually helps me which is hiking and dancing. > > > (Dr told me the only thing I could do is tread water...pay ten dollars a > > > shot to go in a pool somewhere... where I don't know to tread water) > > > > > > I want to get into Public Health because I want to help people in a way that > > > actually helps. But maybe I should educate doctors ...I wonder if that is > > > an aspect of public health that I could get hired for.... > > > Now there is an idea! > > > If you read this long, thank you > > > ~patricia > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at BPDCentral (DOT) com. SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hi , Thanks for the link, I will check it out. As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have no time to give that sort of attention to one person. I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! thank you ~patricia Re: dr's & meds Hi , here's a link for the Vitex - it's got some good customer reviews too to give you an idea of what it might do http://www.mothernature.com/shop/detail.cfm/sku/86318/tab/2 . I do feel like a bit of a hypocrite recommending SSRI's given my own mixed feelings about them. I can say that I believe antidepressants may have saved my life when I was feeling suicidal, but I can also say that it damned my life as well as I made horrible decisions while taking it. I was cut off from my intuition while on it and it cost me dearly. Still I hear many people say that antidepressants gave them their lives back and made them feel like themselves for the first time....so who is to say? As they say at the carnival you pays your money and you takes your chances. I do hear what you are saying about the many appointments, copays, and adjustments...not pleasant either. One idea I'd throw out there too is meditation. It can be surprisingly beneficial. It can create a still space in which you can give that part of you that is suffering space to expand and release. Kind of like what massage does for a cramped muscle. That's a pretty simplistic description, but if you try it you'll see. You don't have to be a yogi or practice for years - just ten minutes of focusing on your breath can make a world of difference. Guess I'm in advice-giver mode - I know that can be annoying so just as they say take what works forgot the rest...I hope things get better. > > > > > > I'm sorry you're not feeling well, I know how pain can make one > > > depressed... I have severe arthritis in my knees, and pain in the backs of > > > my thigh muscles...meds only help to a point :-( I'm sorry your drs dont > > > seem to be able ( or want to) help you...thats rough !! > > > > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi , > > > Thank you for your compassion about my pain/injury. I had a fall at work on > > > my left butt and then I work in this sort of left facing way, bending and > > > lifting. It has loosened my S-I joint which is not supposed to move. First > > > I went to my doctor, he sent me to the chiropractor and I went there for > > > weeks, then to a specialist (first back to the doctor). That specialist > > > prescribed P/T for twelve visits. I had a trip planned in between that, and > > > when I got back I went to four visits and then they said: oh that is all you > > > are covered for. Went back to specialist she gives me a shot (no x-ray) and > > > says come back. But she also says: well what do you want me to do? She > > > won't give me a no-working note. Why? And why ask me what do I want her to > > > do? Meanwhile dealing with workers comp insurance, getting approvals etc. > > > > > > I go away and shot doesn't work come back and dr says; I don't know what to > > > do for you. We can do an MRI because your x-rays are fine. Am *I* the > > > doctor? Have I studied for years this stuff? Am *I* the only one who has > > > unrelenting pain because of work? She tells me I should find another job. > > > I said: what? Am I supposed to leave a job where I have a claim (I would > > > lose my claim if I leave, there is a protocol); limp away? To what? > > > Another job that aggravates my sacrum but can get no workers comp or > > > insurance or time off with pay? > > > How out of touch can these people be? > > > > > > I went back to my dr and he sends me (for some reason as the last resort??) > > > to a spine specialist. This guy explains to me exactly what is wrong and > > > why I need an injection with an x-ray. I am so grateful to finally > > > understand what is wrong with me, why the brace I had before did not work, > > > etc. Finally relieved to have a plan. So I call his reception to give > > > information for insurance approval and asked for pain medication because the > > > night before I was dying in pain. And I am alone here, no one to massage my > > > legs and butt area where it hurts so bad. Ibuprofen doesn't work. I make > > > the mistake of saying alcohol helps it. > > > > > > So I am taking a nap and the phone goes off and I answer because of all > > > these insurance and dr calls i have out. The new dr says: I don't > > > understand why you are asking me for painkillers, like, why now? You have > > > had this injury since june of 09. You've seen me one time and you are > > > asking me now? (his concern of course is that I am using him to get > > > narcotics and then going t my reg dr saying my script ran out and can i get > > > more). > > > > > > Well he does not know me at all! And I was like a deer in headlights. I > > > asked myself: why now? And I couldn't articulate that I felt like I was > > > finally with the right doctor who could help me get a hold on this really > > > painful condition. That I normally tolerate pain and endure a lot of pain > > > (probably sounds familiar to a lot of people here). How could I tell him > > > that I am having a hard time managing EVERYthing in my life because I am > > > going through intense complicated grief at the same time and this pain is > > > wearing me down? > > > > > > All while he is having this weird accusing tone? When he was so nice in the > > > office. He says: don't take ibuprofen it could cause bleeding in the > > > stomach. And alcohol is bad too. I will call your dr and ask him. He > > > calls back later and leaves a message saying: your doctor said no. > > > You should talk to him. I call my dr's nurse and she says: he says you > > > should talk to your actual primary dr. (Who is usually not easy to get into > > > see because he started another practice doing laser). WTF!! Talk about > > > triggering issues of pain not being taken care of! > > > > > > My pain, as a child, was never never addressed. I had some accidents and > > > was never held and shushhed. My father (the non emotional one) always took > > > me to the dr or hospital for stitches. Our dentist did not use novacaine on > > > us. I have a huge avoidance to dental work now. Even though I need it. > > > Even if just a cleaning. > > > And now, here I am suffering and they are acting like I am a druggie. My > > > sister died from that! > > > > > > My reaction is to go into victim, sad mode. Poor me. But I have people > > > encouraging me to get mad and demand help (these are guys). But I will say > > > something when I get my shot; I have this fear that he won't help me now. > > > It has added to my stress in life in a way I did not need at all. > > > > > > Sorry this is long; i probably am repeating myself. But I just can't > > > believe it! (Although when I went to the gynecologist and told her that I > > > feel during PMS i am almost suicidal, which is not normal; normally I am > > > just bitchy, she looked at me blankly. She said: I can put you on the pill > > > but only for three years (til 50); and I don't do well with the pill at all, > > > it makes me depressed. She mentioned antidepressants (drs must be glad to > > > be able to go to that and send you away) and pretty much left the room) > > > > > > I really can understand now what my sister went through with her doctor > > > situation; the judgments they had, the unwillingness to understand her life > > > and how to really help her. Ironically, I have barely done drugs in my > > > life. I drink now at night, because it is the only thing that helps my > > > sadness and pain, the ONLY thing. I have one, maybe two drinks. That is > > > it. I live alone, have incredible grief, have a child who needs help in > > > school but is being > > > refused (illegally in my opinion) and I have bad pain in the area of my body > > > that keeps me from doing what usually helps me which is hiking and dancing. > > > (Dr told me the only thing I could do is tread water...pay ten dollars a > > > shot to go in a pool somewhere... where I don't know to tread water) > > > > > > I want to get into Public Health because I want to help people in a way that > > > actually helps. But maybe I should educate doctors ...I wonder if that is > > > an aspect of public health that I could get hired for.... > > > Now there is an idea! > > > If you read this long, thank you > > > ~patricia > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at BPDCentral (DOT) com. SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2010 Report Share Posted April 28, 2010 Hi , about meditation the best thing is to do it the natural way - I'd recommend books by Thich Naht Han or Pema Chodron. BUT I know it's hard to do sometimes once the mind is already in chaos - I have a hard time starting again when I've fallen out of practice. One shortcut that I'd recommend with a huge warning is Holosync CD's. They work. The warning is that if you start having odd effects like being unable to sleep then stop using them. But for many people they work wonders and they don't get a downside. I used them for about three weeks, but because I had years of meditation practice beforehand I think they acted too strongly on me - the first two weeks were awesome though. Someone who hasn't done previous meditation though probably gets to a sweet spot with it that works. Hemisync is another similar type of CD that works with brainwave entrainment like Holosync to lead you into a meditative state though I've never used that one - still heard positives about it. About dr's...yeah any medical doctor, any psychiatrist for the most part these days wants to give drugs as the answer. The only solution if you want something else is to see someone who *cannot* prescribe drugs! > > Hi , > Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide > what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they > work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). > My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their > women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out > alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have > no time to give that sort of attention to one person. > > I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient > to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that > offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) > I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it > was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. > I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; > and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! > thank you > ~patricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Hey , Thank you for the recommendations. I wonder why they would cause people not to sleep? But it's true, just going for the organic method is probably best and I always intend to, but with my ADD brain, I immediately lose my attention to breath and all that (I know it is difficult for most people to start meditation). I also have trouble committing to things like that...I don't know if it is ADD (because I don't want to lose interest and then feel like a fail). I thought the cd's would be good because they are more passive and would get my mind to settle down (runs constantly) . Normally if I got stressed I would hike and hike and my mind would churn and churn until finally I would hit a mellowness but with my SI joint problem I can't do that. For now. That thing about going to dr's that can't prescribe drugs or won't (someone else mentioned that to me) was something I never thought of! It just goes to show you that when trying to come up with a solution we need to look in a different direction ! It's like improv. Thanks , ~patricia Re: dr's & meds Hi , about meditation the best thing is to do it the natural way - I'd recommend books by Thich Naht Han or Pema Chodron. BUT I know it's hard to do sometimes once the mind is already in chaos - I have a hard time starting again when I've fallen out of practice. One shortcut that I'd recommend with a huge warning is Holosync CD's. They work. The warning is that if you start having odd effects like being unable to sleep then stop using them. But for many people they work wonders and they don't get a downside. I used them for about three weeks, but because I had years of meditation practice beforehand I think they acted too strongly on me - the first two weeks were awesome though. Someone who hasn't done previous meditation though probably gets to a sweet spot with it that works. Hemisync is another similar type of CD that works with brainwave entrainment like Holosync to lead you into a meditative state though I've never used that one - still heard positives about it. About dr's...yeah any medical doctor, any psychiatrist for the most part these days wants to give drugs as the answer. The only solution if you want something else is to see someone who *cannot* prescribe drugs! > > Hi , > Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide > what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they > work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). > My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their > women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out > alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have > no time to give that sort of attention to one person. > > I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient > to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that > offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) > I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it > was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. > I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; > and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! > thank you > ~patricia ------------------------------------ Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 hey patricia I have SI joint problems too. I went thru months of physical therapy where in the therapist did ajustments to loosen up the joint. I also found out I have arthritis in the joint. Probably caused by the two years the joint was frozen(?) The physical therapy and exercise helped but what really helps me now is Celebrex. I have been taking it twice a day. It's expensive for me the first couple months of the year as my insurance won't pick it up until I've exhausted the deductible but it's well worth it to me. Helps me to be quite mobile with only occasionaly bad flare ups. > > > > Hi , > > Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > > As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide > > what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they > > work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). > > My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their > > women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out > > alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have > > no time to give that sort of attention to one person. > > > > I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient > > to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that > > offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) > > I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it > > was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. > > I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; > > and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! > > thank you > > ~patricia > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Hi Carol (?) Thanks for the ideas on the SI joint. I think that after I get the cortisone shots, I am supposed to get PT for mobilizing the joint into the right place; as I understand it, it's not supposed to move, and the pain comes from movement; and seems the ultimate cure is to do surgery to fuse the joint. I don't know why that dr didn't offer me celebrex, because it's a non narcotic, right? But he didn't want me to move it too much while on painkiller to make it worse....? I can say that I am tired of not being able to move; I understand this is *life* for people who are disabled, and it gives me an idea on how it could be for others. I am an active person, (meaning not that I go out and do things but I move around a lot!). Anyway, thanks for the idea of celebrex, I will ask about that. ~patricia Re: dr's & meds hey patricia I have SI joint problems too. I went thru months of physical therapy where in the therapist did ajustments to loosen up the joint. I also found out I have arthritis in the joint. Probably caused by the two years the joint was frozen(?) The physical therapy and exercise helped but what really helps me now is Celebrex. I have been taking it twice a day. It's expensive for me the first couple months of the year as my insurance won't pick it up until I've exhausted the deductible but it's well worth it to me. Helps me to be quite mobile with only occasionaly bad flare ups. > > > > Hi , > > Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > > As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide > > what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they > > work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). > > My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their > > women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out > > alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have > > no time to give that sort of attention to one person. > > > > I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient > > to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that > > offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) > > I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it > > was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. > > I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; > > and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! > > thank you > > ~patricia > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Hi There seems to be two sides to the story on the mysterious SI joint. One medical side says the joint shouldn't move, the other says it has slight movement and becomes " dislocated " . Why can't they all get together and agree? What the hell?!! Anyway, the celebrex is an anti-inflamatory drug. I was on it twice a day for at least six weeks before I saw improvement and they have to check my liver every couple months to make sure I am ok. I was going to get the cortizone too but the pain doc said that it wouldn't last but a couple months. They also said I could have some shots that would " deaden " the nerves affected but that idea freaked me out........ Regards Carol > > > > > > Hi , > > > Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > > > As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide > > > what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they > > > work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). > > > My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their > > > women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out > > > alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have > > > no time to give that sort of attention to one person. > > > > > > I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient > > > to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that > > > offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) > > > I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it > > > was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. > > > I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; > > > and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! > > > thank you > > > ~patricia > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @ SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Hi Carol, I didn't realize there were different theories on the SI joint! I know that mine is probably hyper mobile from my job (I have to work totally to my left side, bending, twisting and lifting). What I really need to do is find another job; but while I am in pain, that seems difficult since I can't sit, or do those other things. So I wonder then about fusing the joint....well that is a way off, but I will have to look into it. Maybe if I just get a more mentally focused type job rather than I what I do which is physical, I will have some healing. Anyway, it is good to hear from someone who also has this issue; it is horribly painful. ~patricia Re: dr's & meds Hi There seems to be two sides to the story on the mysterious SI joint. One medical side says the joint shouldn't move, the other says it has slight movement and becomes " dislocated " . Why can't they all get together and agree? What the hell?!! Anyway, the celebrex is an anti-inflamatory drug. I was on it twice a day for at least six weeks before I saw improvement and they have to check my liver every couple months to make sure I am ok. I was going to get the cortizone too but the pain doc said that it wouldn't last but a couple months. They also said I could have some shots that would " deaden " the nerves affected but that idea freaked me out........ Regards Carol > > > > > > Hi , > > > Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > > > As far as the SSRI's; well you know, it is up to each person to decide > > > what will work for him/her. Reading recent studies makes me wonder how much they > > > work (except in severe cases, like you said, when feeling suicidal or clinically depressed). > > > My problem with the doctors who hear 'emotional problems' in (maybe has changed) their > > > women clients, they want to prescribe antidepressants. Rather than figuring out > > > alternatives. Of course this is all a result of our health care system; doctors have > > > no time to give that sort of attention to one person. > > > > > > I like the idea of meditation; I make the excuse with my ADD that I am too impatient > > > to go with it. What I thought would be good for me would be some kind of DVD, that > > > offered a visual and guided meditation with music (I mean, that IS something, right?) > > > I remember when I was going through divorce, I got regular shiatsu treatments and it > > > was sooo great. I wish I could afford to do it again, now. > > > I don't feel you are in advice-giver mode; I appreciate your thoughts and the reminders; > > > and not only that the fact you care to give me these ideas! > > > thank you > > > ~patricia > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @ SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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