Re: OK, need some input on my latest results!!!

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Carol M. s wrote:/*,

*/

> */TSH/**/ –/**/ 1.0/*

>

> */Free T4/**/ –/**/ 1.33 (.7/**/ –/**/ 1.8)/*

>

> */Free T3/**/ –/**/ 2.5/**/ (1.5/**/ –/**/ 3.5)/*

>

/*the median for the free t4 is 1.25 so you are only just above that.

many Drs say it should be in the top third of the range so thats over

1.61 by these ranges

The free t3 is just on the median of 2.5 but it could go higher and many

Drs like to see it over 3 by these ranges

*/

I'd add in L-tyrosine , vitamin C, fish oils, /*zinc and magnseium

Also get a full blood count done plus ESR [sed] and ferritin to check on

possible anaemia - many people with hypot are anaemic and this will have an

impact on how you feel [many symptoms overlap]

*/

Alison

http://www.alisonashwell.com/

http://www.artwanted.com/alisonashwell

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Hi Carol,

Oh to be 40 again, how I wish, but wishing won't make it so

unfortunatly. That is a great age and you will feel better but it

will take some time for that to happen and some nurturing of your

poor old bod that has been through a bit. I'll let someone else do

the tests but to just say that they may have used a different lab to

do the tests, or the lab had a complete reno. Don't give up just

think of yourself as being in the convalesing stage and there could

be some tweeking to do.

Dawn

> I just got my latest test results. Here we go, please tell me what

you all

> think:

>

> TSH - 1.0

> Free T4 - 1.33 (.7 - 1.8)

> Free T3 - 2.5 (1.5 - 3.5)

>

> These were my results back in September:

> TSH 10.70 (.40 - 5.50)

> Free T4 1.08(.08 - 1.8)

> Free T3 2.26 (2.30 - 4.20)

>

> ** I just realized their ranges changed in 4 months **

>

> I have a feeling you all are going to tell me I look fine - it

sure looks

> like it to me. I take 100 mcg of synthroid every morning at 5 AM

and have

> been on that since December 2nd after steadily increasing from 25.

I also

> take a B-complex and 400 mcg of selenium a day.

>

> I have to say that I do feel much better now than I did when I

joined this

> group in September. It is 1:43 in Los Angeles and I would be

passed out from

> fatigue right about now if nothing had changed. But I still don't

have that

> feeling that I am back to 100% or close. I do still get really

tired at

> points in the day, for no reason other than sitting at my desk.

And I am

> still struggling with weight loss that used to come pretty easy to

me. Is

> this it for me? Is this as good as it gets? I turn 40 this year -

my sister

> seems to think, this is to blame for most of my problems.

>

> Any thoughts that I can use?

> Carol

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((((((((((Carol))))))))))))

Go with your feelings......Even though the results are better, It seems that the levels of the Frees should be higher. That may help you to get close to that 100% feeling. The Free T4 should be in the upper half at least of the range and you are about at the half of the range. The Free T3 should be in the upper quandrant or even slightly above, and you are at the mid of the range.Hope this helps..

Feisty

OK, need some input on my latest results!!!

I just got my latest test results. Here we go, please tell me what you all think:

TSH – 1.0

Free T4 – 1.33 (.7 – 1.8)

Free T3 – 2.5 (1.5 – 3.5)

These were my results back in September:

TSH 10.70 (.40 – 5.50)

Free T4 1.08(.08 – 1.8)

Free T3 2.26 (2.30 – 4.20)

** I just realized their ranges changed in 4 months **

I have a feeling you all are going to tell me I look fine – it sure looks like it to me. I take 100 mcg of synthroid every morning at 5 AM and have been on that since December 2nd after steadily increasing from 25. I also take a B-complex and 400 mcg of selenium a day.

I have to say that I do feel much better now than I did when I joined this group in September. It is 1:43 in Los Angeles and I would be passed out from fatigue right about now if nothing had changed. But I still don’t have that feeling that I am back to 100% or close. I do still get really tired at points in the day, for no reason other than sitting at my desk. And I am still struggling with weight loss that used to come pretty easy to me. Is this it for me? Is this as good as it gets? I turn 40 this year – my sister seems to think, this is to blame for most of my problems.

Any thoughts that I can use?

Carol

[Guest guest]

You guessed wrong.. I"m gonna say that your Free T3 is still low... IMHO taking into consideration that you aren't feeling 'right' yet.

Most folks say that they feel better with the T3 in the upper part of the range.... You're already doing selenium..... I assume staying away from Goitrogens.... how are you doing with meals? Eating regularly, not skipping? How about calcium and iron... keep them away from your Synthroid dose?

Oh.. the lab is still using the OLD lab ranges.... and the doc isn't calling them on it.... and... well.. if your Free T3 is still low... that heads me down that oh so familiar road...... Natural thyroid .... Armour, or a generic... it's got T3 in it... and if your T3 conversion is a bit lacking... probably your T2 and T1 conversion is too....

soooo ponder on it a bit... you're feeling better.... no regrets so far... maybe it's time to get a bit more assertive with the doc? What was his/her comments on your results?

As for the ranges on the Ts changing... the ranges are different depending on which method they use to determine the values... so if they used a different method this time that would account for the change...

Did you get a dosage increase?

Topper ()

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:46:09 -0800 "Carol M. s" writes:

I just got my latest test results. Here we go, please tell me what you all think:

TSH – 1.0

Free T4 – 1.33 (.7 – 1.8)

Free T3 – 2.5 (1.5 – 3.5)

These were my results back in September:

TSH 10.70 (.40 – 5.50)

Free T4 1.08(.08 – 1.8)

Free T3 2.26 (2.30 – 4.20)

** I just realized their ranges changed in 4 months **

I have a feeling you all are going to tell me I look fine – it sure looks like it to me. I take 100 mcg of synthroid every morning at 5 AM and have been on that since December 2nd after steadily increasing from 25. I also take a B-complex and 400 mcg of selenium a day.

I have to say that I do feel much better now than I did when I joined this group in September. It is 1:43 in Los Angeles and I would be passed out from fatigue right about now if nothing had changed. But I still don’t have that feeling that I am back to 100% or close. I do still get really tired at points in the day, for no reason other than sitting at my desk. And I am still struggling with weight loss that used to come pretty easy to me. Is this it for me? Is this as good as it gets? I turn 40 this year – my sister seems to think, this is to blame for most of my problems.

Any thoughts that I can use?

Carol

[Guest guest]

I eat pretty regularly and never skip meals…I am

always amused by people who say they “forget” to eat. It seems like

I am always hungry. I don’t take iron or calcium (probably

not a good thing).

I think actually that this is a good time to change

GPs. I see doctors pretty regularly for other reasons, and as far as these last

results go, I got a sheet of paper in the mail saying “Thyroid tests were

normal and a little handwritten note that said “your test results were

fine – stay on the 100 mcg of Synthroid, you are doing great (rah rah!!)

and call me if there is a problem.” So I did. That was actually how I got

the results…when I got her on the phone, to ask what the results were;

she said “I sent you something saying they were fine” and I said, “No,

what were the results? I understand levels and ranges, you can tell me” I

of course don’t understand diddily but so what.

I asked if I could go to 125 and I told her how I still felt

and she said (again) “But your levels are fine – maybe the problem

is not your thyroid.” She knows I have had every blood work up known to

mankind, so now I am irritated. “Do you want to see an endocrinologist?”

I said sure, she said she would send out my referral paperwork and that was

that. This just does not seem to be working out.

I have leftover 25s and 50s, what do you think about me

taking those along with my 100 pill in the AM? Do you think it would make any

difference? Or will that screw me up since my holy TSH level is so low right

now?

Carol

From: topper2@...

Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005

3:43 PM

To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

Subject: Re:

OK, need some input on my latest results!!!

You guessed wrong.. I " m gonna say that your Free T3 is still

low... IMHO taking into consideration that you aren't feeling 'right' yet.

Most folks say that they feel better with the T3 in the upper part of

the range.... You're already doing selenium..... I assume staying away from

Goitrogens.... how are you doing with meals? Eating regularly, not skipping?

How about calcium and iron... keep them away from your Synthroid dose?

Oh.. the lab is still using the OLD lab ranges.... and the doc isn't

calling them on it.... and... well.. if your Free T3 is still low... that heads

me down that oh so familiar road...... Natural thyroid .... Armour, or a

generic... it's got T3 in it... and if your T3 conversion is a bit lacking...

probably your T2 and T1 conversion is too....

soooo ponder on it a bit... you're feeling better.... no regrets so

far... maybe it's time to get a bit more assertive with the doc? What was

his/her comments on your results?

As for the ranges on the Ts changing... the ranges are different

depending on which method they use to determine the values... so if they

used a different method this time that would account for the change...

Did you get a dosage increase?

Topper ()

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:46:09 -0800 " Carol M. s " writes:

I

just got my latest test results. Here we go, please tell me what you all think:

TSH

1.0

Free

T4 1.33 (.7 1.8)

Free

T3 2.5 (1.5 3.5)

These

were my results back in September:

TSH

10.70 (.40 5.50)

Free

T4 1.08(.08 1.8)

Free T3

2.26 (2.30 4.20)

**

I just realized their ranges changed in 4 months **

I

have a feeling you all are going to tell me I look fine it

sure looks like it to me. I take 100

mcg of synthroid every morning at 5 AM

and have been on that since December 2nd

after steadily increasing from 25. I also

take a B-complex and 400 mcg of selenium a day.

I

have to say that I do feel much better now than I did when I joined this group

in September. It is 1:43 in Los Angeles and I would be passed out from

fatigue right about now if nothing had changed. But I

still dont have that feeling that

I am back to 100% or close. I do still get

really tired at points in the day, for no

reason other than sitting at my desk. And I am still struggling with weight

loss that used to come pretty easy to me. Is this it for me?

Is this as good as it gets? I turn 40 this year my sister

seems to think, this is to blame for most of my problems.

Any

thoughts that I can use?

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

What about your B12 and other CBC levels, I had similar with my doc

and had to get down right b....y to get him to understand that I

still felt lousy. At least you are being referred which is a step

ahead of me, I was sent to an internist who looked at me for all of

30 seconds and told me that I had sleep apnea. Oh well, sleep study

on the 4th will tell. But I would get those tests done and others

that will make sure that you aren't anemic,[but that's me]. I now

get B12 shots and take extra every day in a B complex which I would

reccommend also a multi one too. I did cut my 100 synthroid into 4

and take the extra and it made me feel a bit better and I felt even

more so when they started the B12. When I told the doc that I was

cutting the pills he had to be peeled off the ceiling, but the blood

test that he did right then and there, was fine. So, I am now

on .125mg synthroid but still not feeling the best, but getting

there as I am learning something new to do if not every day at least

every week. One day we will all be so well we will be doing the

highland fling down main street.

Dawn

> I eat pretty regularly and never skip meals.I am always amused by

people who

> say they " forget " to eat. It seems like I am always hungry. I

don't take

> iron or calcium (probably not a good thing).

>

>

>

> I think actually that this is a good time to change GPs. I see

doctors

> pretty regularly for other reasons, and as far as these last

results go, I

> got a sheet of paper in the mail saying " Thyroid tests were normal

and a

> little handwritten note that said " your test results were fine -

stay on the

> 100 mcg of Synthroid, you are doing great (rah rah!!) and call me

if there

> is a problem. " So I did. That was actually how I got the

results.when I got

> her on the phone, to ask what the results were; she said " I sent

you

> something saying they were fine " and I said, " No, what were the

results? I

> understand levels and ranges, you can tell me " I of course don't

understand

> diddily but so what.

>

>

>

> I asked if I could go to 125 and I told her how I still felt and

she said

> (again) " But your levels are fine - maybe the problem is not your

thyroid. "

> She knows I have had every blood work up known to mankind, so now

I am

> irritated. " Do you want to see an endocrinologist? " I said sure,

she said

> she would send out my referral paperwork and that was that. This

just does

> not seem to be working out.

>

>

>

> I have leftover 25s and 50s, what do you think about me taking

those along

> with my 100 pill in the AM? Do you think it would make any

difference? Or

> will that screw me up since my holy TSH level is so low right now?

>

>

>

> Carol

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: topper2@j... [mailto:topper2@j...]

> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:43 PM

> To: The_Thyroid_Support_Group

> Subject: Re: OK, need some input on my

latest

> results!!!

>

>

>

> You guessed wrong.. I " m gonna say that your Free T3 is still

low... IMHO

> taking into consideration that you aren't feeling 'right' yet.

>

>

>

> Most folks say that they feel better with the T3 in the upper part

of the

> range.... You're already doing selenium..... I assume staying away

from

> Goitrogens.... how are you doing with meals? Eating regularly, not

skipping?

> How about calcium and iron... keep them away from your Synthroid

dose?

>

>

>

> Oh.. the lab is still using the OLD lab ranges.... and the doc

isn't calling

> them on it.... and... well.. if your Free T3 is still low... that

heads me

> down that oh so familiar road...... Natural thyroid .... Armour,

or a

> generic... it's got T3 in it... and if your T3 conversion is a bit

> lacking... probably your T2 and T1 conversion is too....

>

>

>

> soooo ponder on it a bit... you're feeling better.... no regrets

so far...

> maybe it's time to get a bit more assertive with the doc? What was

his/her

> comments on your results?

>

>

>

> As for the ranges on the Ts changing... the ranges are different

depending

> on which method they use to determine the values... so if they

used a

> different method this time that would account for the change...

>

>

>

> Did you get a dosage increase?

>

>

>

> Topper ()

>

>

>

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:46:09 -0800 " Carol M. s "

> <carol@r...> writes:

>

> I just got my latest test results. Here we go, please tell me what

you all

> think:

>

> TSH 1.0

>

> Free T4 1.33 (.7 1.8)

>

> Free T3 2.5 (1.5 3.5)

>

> These were my results back in September:

>

> TSH 10.70 (.40 5.50)

>

> Free T4 1.08(.08 1.8)

>

> Free T3 2.26 (2.30 4.20)

>

> ** I just realized their ranges changed in 4 months **

>

> I have a feeling you all are going to tell me I look fine it sure

looks

> like it to me. I take 100 mcg of synthroid every morning at 5 AM

and have

> been on that since December 2nd after steadily increasing from 25.

I also

> take a B-complex and 400 mcg of selenium a day.

>

> I have to say that I do feel much better now than I did when I

joined this

> group in September. It is 1:43 in Los Angeles and I would be

passed out from

> fatigue right about now if nothing had changed. But I still dont

have that

> feeling that I am back to 100% or close. I do still get really

tired at

> points in the day, for no reason other than sitting at my desk.

And I am

> still struggling with weight loss that used to come pretty easy to

me. Is

> this it for me? Is this as good as it gets? I turn 40 this year

my sister

> seems to think, this is to blame for most of my problems.

>

> Any thoughts that I can use?

>

> Carol

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay.. strictly personal opinion here.... if it were me.. I'd split a 25 and take the additional 12.5 with the other 100. Then go see the endo and explain that I did that based on the fact that I still feel like crap and my Free T3 is still WAY too low... I decided that since I still had the left over pills that I could make this slight adjustment up until I could see the endo and discuss going on Armour to get the additional T3 that I soooo desperately need.

Starting dose would be 1 grain. Which contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 for a total equivalency of 74 mcg of T4. That's less than what I'm on now, but my body needs a chance to adjust to the direct T3. I'd like to come back in 4 weeks to check labs to see how I'm doing with my levels and then, if needed, go up to 1 1/4 grain which would be 47.5 mcg of T4 and 11.25 mcg of T3 for a total equivalency of 133 mcg of T4. I'll continue charting during that time to me sure that my system is adjusting and call if there are any negative symptoms.

Here are how my temps and pulse rate has been doing since I started at 112.5 mcg of T4, as you can see.......

.... if it were me...

But I"m kinda gutzy now and have a track record of really crappy doctors.... hehehehe

If the doc says he won't do Armour but will add a synthetic T3, like Cytomel.. remember that T3 is FOUR times a powerful as T4 when you are figuring equivalencies.

Topper ()

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:35:22 -0800 "Carol M. s" writes:

I eat pretty regularly and never skip meals…I am always amused by people who say they “forget” to eat. It seems like I am always hungry. I don’t take iron or calcium (probably not a good thing).

I think actually that this is a good time to change GPs. I see doctors pretty regularly for other reasons, and as far as these last results go, I got a sheet of paper in the mail saying “Thyroid tests were normal and a little handwritten note that said “your test results were fine – stay on the 100 mcg of Synthroid, you are doing great (rah rah!!) and call me if there is a problem.” So I did. That was actually how I got the results…when I got her on the phone, to ask what the results were; she said “I sent you something saying they were fine” and I said, “No, what were the results? I understand levels and ranges, you can tell me” I of course don’t understand diddily but so what.

I asked if I could go to 125 and I told her how I still felt and she said (again) “But your levels are fine – maybe the problem is not your thyroid.” She knows I have had every blood work up known to mankind, so now I am irritated. “Do you want to see an endocrinologist?” I said sure, she said she would send out my referral paperwork and that was that. This just does not seem to be working out.

I have leftover 25s and 50s, what do you think about me taking those along with my 100 pill in the AM? Do you think it would make any difference? Or will that screw me up since my holy TSH level is so low right now?

Carol

[Guest guest]

Okay.. strictly personal opinion here.... if it were me.. I'd split a 25 and take the additional 12.5 with the other 100. Then go see the endo and explain that I did that based on the fact that I still feel like crap and my Free T3 is still WAY too low... I decided that since I still had the left over pills that I could make this slight adjustment up until I could see the endo and discuss going on Armour to get the additional T3 that I soooo desperately need.

Starting dose would be 1 grain. Which contains 38 mcg of T4 and 9 mcg of T3 for a total equivalency of 74 mcg of T4. That's less than what I'm on now, but my body needs a chance to adjust to the direct T3. I'd like to come back in 4 weeks to check labs to see how I'm doing with my levels and then, if needed, go up to 1 1/4 grain which would be 47.5 mcg of T4 and 11.25 mcg of T3 for a total equivalency of 133 mcg of T4. I'll continue charting during that time to me sure that my system is adjusting and call if there are any negative symptoms.

Here are how my temps and pulse rate has been doing since I started at 112.5 mcg of T4, as you can see.......

.... if it were me...

But I"m kinda gutzy now and have a track record of really crappy doctors.... hehehehe

If the doc says he won't do Armour but will add a synthetic T3, like Cytomel.. remember that T3 is FOUR times a powerful as T4 when you are figuring equivalencies.

Topper ()

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:35:22 -0800 "Carol M. s" writes:

I eat pretty regularly and never skip meals…I am always amused by people who say they “forget” to eat. It seems like I am always hungry. I don’t take iron or calcium (probably not a good thing).

I think actually that this is a good time to change GPs. I see doctors pretty regularly for other reasons, and as far as these last results go, I got a sheet of paper in the mail saying “Thyroid tests were normal and a little handwritten note that said “your test results were fine – stay on the 100 mcg of Synthroid, you are doing great (rah rah!!) and call me if there is a problem.” So I did. That was actually how I got the results…when I got her on the phone, to ask what the results were; she said “I sent you something saying they were fine” and I said, “No, what were the results? I understand levels and ranges, you can tell me” I of course don’t understand diddily but so what.

I asked if I could go to 125 and I told her how I still felt and she said (again) “But your levels are fine – maybe the problem is not your thyroid.” She knows I have had every blood work up known to mankind, so now I am irritated. “Do you want to see an endocrinologist?” I said sure, she said she would send out my referral paperwork and that was that. This just does not seem to be working out.

I have leftover 25s and 50s, what do you think about me taking those along with my 100 pill in the AM? Do you think it would make any difference? Or will that screw me up since my holy TSH level is so low right now?

Carol

[Guest guest]

Why are these swings looking Hashimoto's Disease? Big TSH, with almost the same T4 and T3, even with a much smaller TSH. Looks like the confusion of Hashi's to me. Refresh my memory, have you had autoantibodies testing? Antithyroidperoxidase and Antithyroglobulin antibodies?

OK, need some input on my latest results!!!

I just got my latest test results. Here we go, please tell me what you all think:

TSH – 1.0

Free T4 – 1.33 (.7 – 1.8)

Free T3 – 2.5 (1.5 – 3.5)

These were my results back in September:

TSH 10.70 (.40 – 5.50)

Free T4 1.08(.08 – 1.8)

Free T3 2.26 (2.30 – 4.20)

** I just realized their ranges changed in 4 months **

I have a feeling you all are going to tell me I look fine – it sure looks like it to me. I take 100 mcg of synthroid every morning at 5 AM and have been on that since December 2nd after steadily increasing from 25. I also take a B-complex and 400 mcg of selenium a day.

I have to say that I do feel much better now than I did when I joined this group in September. It is 1:43 in Los Angeles and I would be passed out from fatigue right about now if nothing had changed. But I still don’t have that feeling that I am back to 100% or close. I do still get really! tired at points in the day, for no reason other than sitting at my desk. And I am still struggling with weight loss that used to come pretty easy to me. Is this it for me? Is this as good as it gets? I turn 40 this year – my sister seems to think, this is to blame for most of my problems.

Any thoughts that I can use?

Carol