Guest guest Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Stan Kurtz Revitapop website has MB12 articles on there.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it. Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? Thanks, CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Stan Kurtz Revitapop website has MB12 articles on there.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it. Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? Thanks, CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Stan Kurtz Revitapop website has MB12 articles on there.To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it. Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? Thanks, CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paperhttp://www.drneubrander.com/dev/index.htmlTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it. Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? Thanks, CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paperhttp://www.drneubrander.com/dev/index.htmlTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it. Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? Thanks, CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paperhttp://www.drneubrander.com/dev/index.htmlTo: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it. Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? Thanks, CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Here is a good one: " Efficacy of methylcobalamin and folinic acid treatment on glutathione redox status in children with autism " . http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/89/1/425 > > I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the " why " of it. > > Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? > > Thanks, > CGF > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Here is another one: http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/reprint/80/6/1611 Good luck getting the script! > > I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the " why " of it. > > Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them? > > Thanks, > CGF > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific,or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis.2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12,and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubra nder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific,or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis.2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12,and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubra nder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific,or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis.2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12,and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubra nder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I do not mean to speak for and I am sure he will add... but I have seen him mention TORCH diseases; these are viruses a fetus is infected with thru its mother, like rubella.Since we know rubella causes fetal damage, and other viruses (fifth disease) can cause fetal death, it is extremely likely that other viruses a mom contracts (knowingly or not) could be affecting her child.  So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage?  I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage?  It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus.  Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment!  It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world.  I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhone-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 I do not mean to speak for and I am sure he will add... but I have seen him mention TORCH diseases; these are viruses a fetus is infected with thru its mother, like rubella.Since we know rubella causes fetal damage, and other viruses (fifth disease) can cause fetal death, it is extremely likely that other viruses a mom contracts (knowingly or not) could be affecting her child.  So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage?  I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage?  It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus.  Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment!  It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world.  I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhone-- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 The mitochondria are protected by Glutathione..if glutathione is low, then damage occurs to the mitochondria..and many, many, many things can cause glutathione to be low, amongst them vaccines the ingredients, those other ingredients are known toxins, many of them NEUROtoxins. For an undermethylator, glutathione is low, but it is a case of which came first? "the old chicken or the egg?" question. Oxidative Stress can be a factor as well and there is evidence in Autism to show that these kids have high frequency of the following:Depressed GSH and CysteineElevated Toxic MetalsHypomethylationHIgh Copper and Low CeruloplasminDepleted Zinc and metallothieninIncreased Pyrroles (in 35% of those studied)Low B6, C and Selenium and High Urine Isoprotanes (damaged fats)It can be a matter of epigenetics, which is altered gene EXPRESSION without changes in actual DNA sequence and can be reversibleA mother's toxic load certainly influences that of the developing fetus, and if the mom herself is an undermethylator then her child could be one as well, or her status could cause the child's glutathione to be low and then damage can be done.I fully support Dr. Wakefield and his original work has been replicated 6 times by OTHER researchers. I like this group, there is a ton of info and intelligent people on here, and I respect everyone's opinion..please respect mine and refrain from insults.LoriTo: "mb12 valtrex " <mb12 valtrex >Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:15 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage? I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage? It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus. Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment! It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world. I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com> wrote: I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific, or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis.2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12, and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. From: Kay <kp_mlistyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubra nder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 The mitochondria are protected by Glutathione..if glutathione is low, then damage occurs to the mitochondria..and many, many, many things can cause glutathione to be low, amongst them vaccines the ingredients, those other ingredients are known toxins, many of them NEUROtoxins. For an undermethylator, glutathione is low, but it is a case of which came first? "the old chicken or the egg?" question. Oxidative Stress can be a factor as well and there is evidence in Autism to show that these kids have high frequency of the following:Depressed GSH and CysteineElevated Toxic MetalsHypomethylationHIgh Copper and Low CeruloplasminDepleted Zinc and metallothieninIncreased Pyrroles (in 35% of those studied)Low B6, C and Selenium and High Urine Isoprotanes (damaged fats)It can be a matter of epigenetics, which is altered gene EXPRESSION without changes in actual DNA sequence and can be reversibleA mother's toxic load certainly influences that of the developing fetus, and if the mom herself is an undermethylator then her child could be one as well, or her status could cause the child's glutathione to be low and then damage can be done.I fully support Dr. Wakefield and his original work has been replicated 6 times by OTHER researchers. I like this group, there is a ton of info and intelligent people on here, and I respect everyone's opinion..please respect mine and refrain from insults.LoriTo: "mb12 valtrex " <mb12 valtrex >Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:15 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage? I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage? It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus. Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment! It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world. I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com> wrote: I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific, or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis.2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12, and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. From: Kay <kp_mlistyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubra nder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 IMO, the important thing to remember is that the behaviors associated with the dx of " autism " can originate from many places. It is good that Dr. Wakefield has laid his career on the line to bring the discussion to light. I do see the other side of it however where the controversy has made it a black and white issue putting us in different camps. NOT Dr. Wakefield's fault, I don't think... the media just latches onto key words. It is unfortunate that we've become the pro-vax/anti-vax sides or the Wakefield vs Offitt sides... if we could all agree that environment AND genetics are playing a role here, we could make advancements in prevention AND healing. It amazes me that the pro-vax people continually ignore that heavy metal poisoning symptoms are *autistic traits.* WTH? Talk about blinders. But this being a fact does not diminish the other facts that some people like were BORN with autism and so if environment played a role, it was in vitro. My daughter likewise did not have regression, and my son is now displaying ASD behaviors when up till last year he was NT... or maybe I was blind... but he hasn't regressed either. Neither of my kids had MMR! But were exposed to mercury. :-(  The mitochondria are protected by Glutathione..if glutathione is low, then damage occurs to the mitochondria..and many, many, many things can cause glutathione to be low, amongst them vaccines the ingredients, those other ingredients are known toxins, many of them NEUROtoxins.  For an undermethylator,  glutathione is low, but it is a case of which came first?  " the old chicken or the egg? " question.  Oxidative Stress can be a factor as well and there is evidence in Autism to show that these kids have high frequency of the following: Depressed GSH and CysteineElevated Toxic MetalsHypomethylationHIgh Copper and Low CeruloplasminDepleted Zinc and metallothieninIncreased Pyrroles (in 35% of those studied)Low B6, C and Selenium and High Urine Isoprotanes (damaged fats)It can be a matter of epigenetics, which is altered gene EXPRESSION without changes in actual DNA sequence and can be reversible A mother's toxic load certainly influences that of the developing fetus, and if the mom herself is an undermethylator then her child could be one as well, or her status could cause the child's glutathione to be low and then damage can be done. I fully support Dr. Wakefield and his original work has been replicated 6 times by OTHER researchers.  I like this group, there is a ton of info and intelligent people on here, and I respect everyone's opinion..please respect mine and refrain from insults. Lori To: " mb12 valtrex " <mb12 valtrex > Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:15 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles  So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage?  I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage?  It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus.  Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment!  It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world.  I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 30, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com> wrote:  I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific, or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call " woo " .There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis.2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12, and folinic acid will not help an " autistic " whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease.  I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my " autism " ,and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my " metabolic strokes " ,and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement.   I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with " features of autism " ,that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an " autism " diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with " autism " really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not " vaccine damage " is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large.  From: Kay <kp_mlistyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PM Subject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubra nder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PM Subject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the " why " of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks, CGF -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 From what I have read,mitochondrial disease seems to be caused by mutations in the womb,just like autism.Mothers being exposed to toxic chemicals,having infections while pregnant,taking drugs that damage the baby,etc.Often the symptoms are so similar to maternal infections,the only way to tell wht is wrong with the kid,is a blood test.MTHFR,on the other hand,seems to occur in families,where there is a history of cancer, circulatory disease,and certain types of autoimmune disease. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:12 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles I do not mean to speak for and I am sure he will add... but I have seen him mention TORCH diseases; these are viruses a fetus is infected with thru its mother, like rubella. Since we know rubella causes fetal damage, and other viruses (fifth disease) can cause fetal death, it is extremely likely that other viruses a mom contracts (knowingly or not) could be affecting her child. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com> wrote: So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage? I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage? It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus. Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment! It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world. I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhone -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 From what I have read,mitochondrial disease seems to be caused by mutations in the womb,just like autism.Mothers being exposed to toxic chemicals,having infections while pregnant,taking drugs that damage the baby,etc.Often the symptoms are so similar to maternal infections,the only way to tell wht is wrong with the kid,is a blood test.MTHFR,on the other hand,seems to occur in families,where there is a history of cancer, circulatory disease,and certain types of autoimmune disease. To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 9:10:12 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles I do not mean to speak for and I am sure he will add... but I have seen him mention TORCH diseases; these are viruses a fetus is infected with thru its mother, like rubella. Since we know rubella causes fetal damage, and other viruses (fifth disease) can cause fetal death, it is extremely likely that other viruses a mom contracts (knowingly or not) could be affecting her child. On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com> wrote: So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage? I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage? It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus. Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment! It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world. I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhone -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 As I have said,and I think that a lot of the more reasonable doctors would agree with me. A lot of diseases have similar symptoms.That doesn't mean they all have the same cause,or are all the same disease.This is omplicated stuff,that takes a lot of time,effort,and tests to figure out. While I think "autism" is a BS diagnosis,that doesn't begin to cover most of the real problems,be it GI disease,self-abuse,developmental delay or eloping,it DOES require damage in the womb. Vaccine makers formulate vaccines for the "average" "normal" child/person.They do not formulate them for people with immune deficiencies, metabolic disease,inborn chemical sensitivities,etc..This may suck,but that's the way it is.While a doctor or a hospital may not be able to afford to test every child for these things,they might offer the parents the choice of having these tests done,at additional cost,before the child is vaccinated.I see very few of the antivaccine crowd making an argument for doing things on a child by child basis . To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:00:39 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles IMO, the important thing to remember is that the behaviors associated with the dx of "autism" can originate from many places. It is good that Dr. Wakefield has laid his career on the line to bring the discussion to light. I do see the other side of it however where the controversy has made it a black and white issue putting us in different camps. NOT Dr. Wakefield's fault, I don't think... the media just latches onto key words. It is unfortunate that we've become the pro-vax/anti- vax sides or the Wakefield vs Offitt sides... if we could all agree that environment AND genetics are playing a role here, we could make advancements in prevention AND healing. It amazes me that the pro-vax people continually ignore that heavy metal poisoning symptoms are *autistic traits.* WTH? Talk about blinders. But this being a fact does not diminish the other facts that some people like were BORN with autism and so if environment played a role, it was in vitro. My daughter likewise did not have regression, and my son is now displaying ASD behaviors when up till last year he was NT... or maybe I was blind... but he hasn't regressed either. Neither of my kids had MMR! But were exposed to mercury. :-( On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Lori Culbertson <careofindiana@ yahoo.com> wrote: The mitochondria are protected by Glutathione. .if glutathione is low, then damage occurs to the mitochondria. .and many, many, many things can cause glutathione to be low, amongst them vaccines the ingredients, those other ingredients are known toxins, many of them NEUROtoxins. For an undermethylator, glutathione is low, but it is a case of which came first? "the old chicken or the egg?" question. Oxidative Stress can be a factor as well and there is evidence in Autism to show that these kids have high frequency of the following: Depressed GSH and Cysteine Elevated Toxic Metals Hypomethylation HIgh Copper and Low Ceruloplasmin Depleted Zinc and metallothienin Increased Pyrroles (in 35% of those studied) Low B6, C and Selenium and High Urine Isoprotanes (damaged fats) It can be a matter of epigenetics, which is altered gene EXPRESSION without changes in actual DNA sequence and can be reversible A mother's toxic load certainly influences that of the developing fetus, and if the mom herself is an undermethylator then her child could be one as well, or her status could cause the child's glutathione to be low and then damage can be done. I fully support Dr. Wakefield and his original work has been replicated 6 times by OTHER researchers. I like this group, there is a ton of info and intelligent people on here, and I respect everyone's opinion..please respect mine and refrain from insults. Lori From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:15 PM Subject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage? I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage? It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus. Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment! It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world. I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com> wrote: I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific, or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis. 2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12, and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. From: Kay <kp_mlistyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubrander.com/dev/index.htmlnder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (11) Recent Activity: New Members 18 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Get great advice about dogs and cats. 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Guest guest Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 As I have said,and I think that a lot of the more reasonable doctors would agree with me. A lot of diseases have similar symptoms.That doesn't mean they all have the same cause,or are all the same disease.This is omplicated stuff,that takes a lot of time,effort,and tests to figure out. While I think "autism" is a BS diagnosis,that doesn't begin to cover most of the real problems,be it GI disease,self-abuse,developmental delay or eloping,it DOES require damage in the womb. Vaccine makers formulate vaccines for the "average" "normal" child/person.They do not formulate them for people with immune deficiencies, metabolic disease,inborn chemical sensitivities,etc..This may suck,but that's the way it is.While a doctor or a hospital may not be able to afford to test every child for these things,they might offer the parents the choice of having these tests done,at additional cost,before the child is vaccinated.I see very few of the antivaccine crowd making an argument for doing things on a child by child basis . To: mb12 valtrex Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 11:00:39 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles IMO, the important thing to remember is that the behaviors associated with the dx of "autism" can originate from many places. It is good that Dr. Wakefield has laid his career on the line to bring the discussion to light. I do see the other side of it however where the controversy has made it a black and white issue putting us in different camps. NOT Dr. Wakefield's fault, I don't think... the media just latches onto key words. It is unfortunate that we've become the pro-vax/anti- vax sides or the Wakefield vs Offitt sides... if we could all agree that environment AND genetics are playing a role here, we could make advancements in prevention AND healing. It amazes me that the pro-vax people continually ignore that heavy metal poisoning symptoms are *autistic traits.* WTH? Talk about blinders. But this being a fact does not diminish the other facts that some people like were BORN with autism and so if environment played a role, it was in vitro. My daughter likewise did not have regression, and my son is now displaying ASD behaviors when up till last year he was NT... or maybe I was blind... but he hasn't regressed either. Neither of my kids had MMR! But were exposed to mercury. :-( On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Lori Culbertson <careofindiana@ yahoo.com> wrote: The mitochondria are protected by Glutathione. .if glutathione is low, then damage occurs to the mitochondria. .and many, many, many things can cause glutathione to be low, amongst them vaccines the ingredients, those other ingredients are known toxins, many of them NEUROtoxins. For an undermethylator, glutathione is low, but it is a case of which came first? "the old chicken or the egg?" question. Oxidative Stress can be a factor as well and there is evidence in Autism to show that these kids have high frequency of the following: Depressed GSH and Cysteine Elevated Toxic Metals Hypomethylation HIgh Copper and Low Ceruloplasmin Depleted Zinc and metallothienin Increased Pyrroles (in 35% of those studied) Low B6, C and Selenium and High Urine Isoprotanes (damaged fats) It can be a matter of epigenetics, which is altered gene EXPRESSION without changes in actual DNA sequence and can be reversible A mother's toxic load certainly influences that of the developing fetus, and if the mom herself is an undermethylator then her child could be one as well, or her status could cause the child's glutathione to be low and then damage can be done. I fully support Dr. Wakefield and his original work has been replicated 6 times by OTHER researchers. I like this group, there is a ton of info and intelligent people on here, and I respect everyone's opinion..please respect mine and refrain from insults. Lori From: Amy Angeles <amy_angeles71@ yahoo.com>To: "mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com" <mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. com>Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 10:07:15 PM Subject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles So, what so you think causes the mitochondrial damage? I read that aspartame causes mitochondrial damage? It sounds to me like it is all related in some way. A toxic mother has to cause some kind of damage to her fetus. Our food chain, vaccines, our enviornment! It all needs to change. We are being poisoned every way we turn. Having an autistic child has opened my eyes to what is going on in this world. I don't criticize anyone who is doing good and trying to educate people about what is going on and change the direction we are heading in. Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2010, at 8:44 PM, Kulp <thorenstd124@ yahoo.com> wrote: I had heard of this guy for years,and I finally got to reading some of the articles on his site.What I see is a lot of unscientific, or barely scientific BS, what a certain blogger I like a lot likes to call "woo".There is no mention in any of the articles I read,about MTHFR.The article from Dr. is an old one,that predates her study linking autism,and MTHFR.I think stuff like this,does two things.1)It causes parents who have seen some improvement from MB12 and folic acid,who may not have had their children tested for MTHFR/COMT,not to go any further,and have their children tested.They don't look for MTHFR related causes for the medical issues,like GI pain,and think diet can cure systemic autoimmune disease,with a genetic metabolic basis. 2)It leads parents of autistic children whose children don't have MTHFR/COMT mutations to use MB12,and folinic acid, and they develop all sorts of new problems,because of B12,and folic acid toxcicity.This just causes the very vocal critics to say these things do not work for autism.MB12, and folinic acid will not help an "autistic" whose underlying cause is mitochondrial disease. I love my MB12,and folinic acid,it helped bring me out of the worst regression I had exerienced since I was a baby.It cured my eloping.Because of this,along with fish oil,and lithium orotate,I can say I am recovered from my "autism",and I was facing the very real possibility of going into a group home.The MB12,and folinic acid,did away with my "metabolic strokes",and changed my vasculitis (Newly diagnosed,but I have had it at least since I was ten years old.) from one of frequent acute episodes,to one of chronic low grade fever,and moderate pain.Not perfect,but an improvement. I believe there is a definite metabolic syndrome with "features of autism",that involves MTHFR,with COMT as a precursor gene.I have it,and who knows how many others with an "autism" diagnosis do.We need to have a massive widespread testing program,for both this,and mitochondrial mutations.Every autistic child and adult needs to be tested.Proving many with "autism" really have a genetic,metabolic disease,not "vaccine damage" is the only way to be taken seriously by the medical profession,and by society at large. From: Kay <kp_mlistyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 11:28:21 PMSubject: Re: MB12 Journal Articles Look under Download - Myths, Masterpiece or Miracle paper http://www.drneubrander.com/dev/index.htmlnder.com/ dev/index. html From: NewsFan27 <thefitzenreiterfami lyyahoo (DOT) com>To: mb12 valtrex@ yahoogroups. comSent: Sat, May 29, 2010 9:18:08 PMSubject: MB12 Journal Articles I've asked my son's ped if they would write the scipt for my son's MB12 cream. They want to know the "why" of it.Does anyone have a good journal article I can share with them?Thanks,CGF -- Toni------Mind like a steel trap...Rusty and illegal in 37 states. Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (11) Recent Activity: New Members 18 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Get great advice about dogs and cats. 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