Re: adrenal problems

[Guest guest]

> I've been looking at some old posts that refer to adrenal

exhaustion.

> Is this the same as adrenal suppression that happens when a person

> has to take prednisone?

(I don't know)

>

> My son has a lot of issues I've seen linked to low adrenal

function,

> including irritability, (esp. when hungry,) obsessiveness, dilated

> pupils and craving salt. Is anxiety also linked to adrenal

problems?

yes. adrenalin is about excitement and anxiety. being anxious

uses up adrenalin. this is one way to (eventually) get a rather

exhausted and depleted adrenal system. I think of the expression

" stressed out " . like someone who has been stressed for a long

time, may actually stop being able to respond well, they have

no reserves.

Licorice and siberian ginseng are good for adreneals. (I hope I

got the " right " ginseng there--- I didn't look it up )

There are other herbs. Some people use adrenal glandular

extracts (this is a bit like taking thyroid hormone...)

I'm not sure I'm being very clear here, but hope it is some

help.

Moria

[Guest guest]

Moria, I believe my son, Dolly, could be a poster boy for anxiety.

This is what mercury poisoning and the MMR booster vaccine did to him

at age 12. It changed him at the 30th day post vaccine. I feel

confident he has more than used up his stores of adrenalin. This is

the picture I get of him-- that his adrenals are exhausted and

depleted from all this. And yes, he is " stressed out " . I have read

several websites of this happening to people including people with

meniere's.

I believe most people who have any kind of a long illness or stressed

out situation end up having exhaused adrenals,including people who

have to work extra hard just to be able to do what others do easily;

I would include people who have any kind of a learning disability who

have to struggle just to keep up, for example. Also, I would be

surprised if children who do ABA don't suffer from exhausted

adrenals, as well.

I plan to work on Dolly's exhaused adrenal system. I am confident,

now, that this is one of his big problems. I'm afraid to use

glandular extracts, though. Rose

> yes. adrenalin is about excitement and anxiety. being anxious

> uses up adrenalin. this is one way to (eventually) get a rather

> exhausted and depleted adrenal system. I think of the expression

> " stressed out " . like someone who has been stressed for a long

> time, may actually stop being able to respond well, they have

> no reserves.

>

> Licorice and siberian ginseng are good for adreneals. (I hope I

> got the " right " ginseng there--- I didn't look it up )

> There are other herbs. Some people use adrenal glandular

> extracts (this is a bit like taking thyroid hormone...)

> I'm not sure I'm being very clear here, but hope it is some

> help.

>

> Moria

[Guest guest]

Hi Rose,

I have no idea really about the whole issue, but what grabbed me recently was

Moira taking about GABA helping with anxiety. Maybe if this is kept at bay, the

body might gradually recover.

Dagmar.

[ ] Re: adrenal problems

Moria, I believe my son, Dolly, could be a poster boy for anxiety.

This is what mercury poisoning and the MMR booster vaccine did to him

at age 12. It changed him at the 30th day post vaccine. I feel

confident he has more than used up his stores of adrenalin. This is

the picture I get of him-- that his adrenals are exhausted and

depleted from all this. And yes, he is " stressed out " . I have read

several websites of this happening to people including people with

meniere's.

I believe most people who have any kind of a long illness or stressed

out situation end up having exhaused adrenals,including people who

have to work extra hard just to be able to do what others do easily;

I would include people who have any kind of a learning disability who

have to struggle just to keep up, for example. Also, I would be

surprised if children who do ABA don't suffer from exhausted

adrenals, as well.

I plan to work on Dolly's exhaused adrenal system. I am confident,

now, that this is one of his big problems. I'm afraid to use

glandular extracts, though. Rose

> yes. adrenalin is about excitement and anxiety. being anxious

> uses up adrenalin. this is one way to (eventually) get a rather

> exhausted and depleted adrenal system. I think of the expression

> " stressed out " . like someone who has been stressed for a long

> time, may actually stop being able to respond well, they have

> no reserves.

>

> Licorice and siberian ginseng are good for adreneals. (I hope I

> got the " right " ginseng there--- I didn't look it up )

> There are other herbs. Some people use adrenal glandular

> extracts (this is a bit like taking thyroid hormone...)

> I'm not sure I'm being very clear here, but hope it is some

> help.

>

> Moria

[Guest guest]

Dagmar, this is my second attempt to email your response. The first one

" vanished. " Yes, I have used Gaba on him. But with him, I need to use the

3 inhibitory amino acids being gaba, glutamine, and glycine for his severe

anxiety. Also, the best he has been is when I have had him on those 3 amino

acids plus a combination of Ojibwa Tea,Super Nuthera, vitamin C, Vitamin E,

5 HTP, Passion Flower Tea, chickpea tortillas every day, which provided

molybdenum, various amino acids, and other things, plus Rescue Remedy when

he has to go out of the house and face people. He had no yeast nor eggs at

the time If I leave off one of those items, I can tell the difference. He

needs the maximum support.

Even though he has taken many supplements for anxiety which have helped him,

the biggest difference for him has been low dosage chelation with 25 mg. ALA

every 3 hours. When he first got anxious after the MMR vaccine, he was

having severe panic attacks when he went out, and he would have profuse

sweating from his face and body, and he or I would have to mop it up the

entire time. The chelation has gotten rid of these overt symptoms of sweat

and panic attacks. He doesn't have this reaction anymore. He is so toxic

with arsenic and mercury, though, that 25 mg. of ALA is all he can tolerate.

Even though he could be the poster boy for anxiety, he is not as anxious as

he used to be. Anxiety does create adrenal exhaustion especially if it is a

long term problem. It is most difficult in mercury toxic people to

maintain a non anxious state. I don't think that all these things he has

taken for anxiety will help his adrenals, but I think that Gaba has been on

the adrenal help list. I probably will get his some licorice and other

things. We are seeing some good results with sulfation and methylation.

Rose

Fwd: Re: [ ] Re: adrenal problems

>

> Hi Rose,

>

> I have no idea really about the whole issue, but what grabbed me

> recently was Moira taking about GABA helping with anxiety. Maybe if

> this is kept at bay, the body might gradually recover.

>

> Dagmar.

[Guest guest]

In regards to the thyroid labs...yes, hubby's tsh is way too high. A regular doc

would classify him as hypothroid. A tsh above 5 is widely recognized by

mainstream medicine as hypothyroid.

Your son's TSH is high also. My daughter felt pretty bad with her TSH at 3.04.

Something is going on with his thyroid because I have never seen a T4 that high.

Is that still in reference range? YOu may have different ranges that we do. But

usually you want the T4 in the upper third of the range. Same with T3. They did

not test him for thyroid antibodies...but they should. If you and your husband

are hypothyroid...he is too. Possibly autoimmune thyroid. (Hashimoto's)

Now a low thyroid stresses the adrenals worse than just having an adrenal

problem. If one has a low thyroid for enough years...they burn up their adrenals

because the adrenals are trying to compensate for the low thyroid hormones. So

they are intertwined. When my daughter starts going low thyroid and needs more

Armour, one of her symptoms is an increase in adrenal symptoms.

Inositol works in a few ways...Dr. Cutler has some in this wiki entry on

treating mental symptoms in mercury toxicity. Inositol helps the brain by

reducing OCD behaviors and stimulates the immune system.

So that is why inositol may be helping reduce his worry. It helps nerve

transmission. I can't say inositol is directly listed as an adrenal supplement

but if it's helping him, I'd continue it.

He refers to inositol and how it helps as well as other supplements for these

things:

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Anxiety,_ADHD,_ADD,_ODD,_OCD,_Depression

If the cortex and inositol are getting rid of the fear....it's mostly adrenals.

That was a problem for my daughter before adrenal treatment. You may see his

adrenals improve some when you get to the bottom of his thyroid issue.

>

> Hi Jan,

> I learn so much from you, this time about adrenal fatigue. Thanks for sharing

your knowledge!

> We did a thyroid test for my son recently, which I will discuss with our doc

soon. ( TSH 3.9 , T3 2.2 and free T4 14.2)

> I am on Armour, and I think my husband needs it as well. (His TSH was 8.9) So

maybe it is worth trying if Armour also helps my son..

> Could my son's anxiety be related to his thyroid, or can it only be the

adrenals? I give him adrenal cortex, but he still needs some inositol to feel

okay. If I don't give him inositol, he feels extremely scared. What is the

relation between adrenals and inositol, or isn't there a relation and is his

fear caused be something else?

> I hope you'll understand what I mean, I don't know hoe to express myself

clearer.

> Thanks, Nicoline

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jan, I have been reading the link you sent me.

Today I spoke with my doc: she does not want to give my son Armour yet, but

first wants to check Hashimoto and discuss his case with another doc.

I give my son 2 drops of Lugol very day (iodine) and selenium. Is it a good idea

to give him tyrosine also. And if yes: how much?

I do have another question for you: somewhere else you wrote that as long as you

see gains with every round, you do not need to raise the amount of ALA/DMSA.

We know from hairtests that we are mercurytoxic, but none of us feel different

than before we started chelation. (We've done 12 rounds by now)I have to say I

don't know what should be different for my NT son, 'cause he does not seem to

suffer from the mercury. My husband suffers a lot from the yeast, and since

chelation he has constipation.

My NLD kid and my self do not notice anything different. Does that mean

chelation does not work for us, or do we need more patience?

Nicoline

> >

> > Hi Jan,

> > I learn so much from you, this time about adrenal fatigue. Thanks for

sharing your knowledge!

> > We did a thyroid test for my son recently, which I will discuss with our doc

soon. ( TSH 3.9 , T3 2.2 and free T4 14.2)

> > I am on Armour, and I think my husband needs it as well. (His TSH was 8.9)

So maybe it is worth trying if Armour also helps my son..

> > Could my son's anxiety be related to his thyroid, or can it only be the

adrenals? I give him adrenal cortex, but he still needs some inositol to feel

okay. If I don't give him inositol, he feels extremely scared. What is the

relation between adrenals and inositol, or isn't there a relation and is his

fear caused be something else?

> > I hope you'll understand what I mean, I don't know hoe to express myself

clearer.

> > Thanks, Nicoline

> >

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