Re: Undermethylators - Was parkinsons/dmae

[Guest guest]

According to Bill Walsh's " Biochemical Individuality and Nutrition "

document, over-methylation can be treated with folates, niacin, and

vitamin B-12. He also states that, " These persons are also

overloaded in copper and methionine and supplements of these

nutrients must be strictly avoided " .

FYI, for under-methylation, he mentions methionine, calcium,

magnesium, vitamin B-6, SAMe, St. 's Wort, Kava Kava, and

inositol.

FWIW, you can check out the text yourself at

http://www.hriptc.org/biochemical_individuality.html

Kathy I.

> I haven't got my head around this fully (funny that!) but have read

> the paper in the files section on the enzymeandautism list

regarding

> methylation. It says for undermethylators things like B6,folic

acid,

> TMG, DMG, as well as DMAE and choline(I think) are said to be

> beneficial and if one helps others might as well. For

OVERmethylators

> these things not helpful. I haven't been able to find out what

> supplements might be helpful for overmethylators. ??MSM Thoughts

> anyone?

[Guest guest]

Hi,

could you please give me the name of the file or link to it? I could

nor find it there.

Dr. Walsh says that DMG,TMG,calcium, magnesium, methionine and

inositol are beneficial, but choline, DMAE and folic acid should be

avoided. I do not know why, but my son really improved from TMG and

DMG and regressed from choline. We did not supplement much folic acid

and never tried DMAE.

For overmethylation he says " Treatment involves Folic Acid, B-3, B-

12, DMAE, and AVOIDANCE of Methionine, TMG, Inositol "

Margaret

> I haven't got my head around this fully (funny that!) but have read

> the paper in the files section on the enzymeandautism list

regarding

> methylation. It says for undermethylators things like B6,folic

acid,

> TMG, DMG, as well as DMAE and choline(I think) are said to be

> beneficial and if one helps others might as well. For

OVERmethylators

> these things not helpful. I haven't been able to find out what

> supplements might be helpful for overmethylators. ??MSM Thoughts

> anyone?

[Guest guest]

--- In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...>

wrote:

> > According to Bill Walsh's " Biochemical Individuality and

Nutrition "

> > document, over-methylation can be treated with folates, niacin,

and

> > vitamin B-12.

>

> I thought folic acid and B12 contribute to (more) methylation.

> > FYI, for under-methylation, he mentions methionine,

>

> Why would an " undermethylator " take methionine, when this person

would

> already have enough homocysteine?

> This doesn't make too much sense to me.

> Valentina

-- it doesn't make sense to me either, but it fits in with what

Pfeiffer says. Pfeiffer and Walsh also both say undermethylators

shouldn't have choline. Does that mean phosphitydlcholine is no good

for them?

-Steve

[Guest guest]

http://www.hrihttp://www.hriptc.org/biochemical_individuality.html

This paper by Dr. walsh explains over and under methylation and supplements

for each. Keep in mind that as many as 30% to50% of our kids may have the

kryptopyrrole disorder described. This is greatly under-reported. Mercury

or arsenic toxity or genetic variations in the B!2 and folate pathways may

skew these. So can gut bugs that affect absorption of key nutrients (e.g.

klebsiella affects B6 absorption, some bacteria cause serotonin to be

over-processed to toxic metabolites.)

[ ] Undermethylators - Was parkinsons/dmae

> I haven't got my head around this fully (funny that!) but have read

> the paper in the files section on the enzymeandautism list regarding

> methylation. It says for undermethylators things like B6,folic acid,

> TMG, DMG, as well as DMAE and choline(I think) are said to be

> beneficial and if one helps others might as well. For OVERmethylators

> these things not helpful. I haven't been able to find out what

> supplements might be helpful for overmethylators. ??MSM Thoughts

> anyone?

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Testing histamine levels will let you know if you are under- or

overmethylated.

> > > I haven't got my head around this fully (funny that!) but have

read

> > > the paper in the files section on the enzymeandautism list

> > regarding

> > > methylation. It says for undermethylators things like B6,folic

> > acid,

> > > TMG, DMG, as well as DMAE and choline(I think) are said to be

> > > beneficial and if one helps others might as well. For

> > OVERmethylators

> > > these things not helpful. I haven't been able to find out what

> > > supplements might be helpful for overmethylators. ??MSM Thoughts

> > > anyone?

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

What other bugs effect absorbtion of nutrients?My son has the

k.oxytoca,staphlacoccus aureus,citrofreundii.thanks

R

[Guest guest]

When I research things like this, I go to and search the name of the

bacteria and the word vitamin. It usually produces the information. I

remember reading that the citrobacter can deplete certain ones- don't recall

which.

Staph is a nasty one to have. Just the presence of it can reduce the

absorption of many nutrients, depending on where it's located. Yellow Dock

can help treat it.

Re: [ ] Undermethylators - Was parkinsons/dmae

> Hi

> What other bugs effect absorbtion of nutrients?My son has the

k.oxytoca,staphlacoccus aureus,citrofreundii.thanks

> R

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