not to sleep is the answer

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could get

even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2 hours

later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since. So,

I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it seems

that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure appreciate

it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either the

sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

time. Thanks

Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Fortunately, my sleeping seems to improved to where I am sleeping

between 7 and 8 hours. As far as the melatonin, I think it is pretty

safe, but I would not take it indefinely. Regarding your Resteril, I

am sorry to say that you will never get into what is a normal

sleeping pattern for you untill you are off those pills. You see,

your brain chemistry is not used to your dose of resteril and will

not let you sleep properly without it. As you can see from the POLL

that was taken in this group that the majority of people had horrible

sleep problems before they reached their proper dose of thyroid

hormone. Could you have had a problem with sleep originally because

of your hypothyroidism and took the pills to sleep, but now having

problems because of the pills and not the thyroid. You can build a

tolerance to benzodiazepines where you need more. If you stop the

Resteril by tapering slowly over time, you will have insomnia for a

while until the normal you returns, whatever that may be. When I was

withdrawing from Ativan, I slept 1 to 2 hours a night for about a

month, and then my sleeping was erratic after that. Your only other

alternative is to increase your dose of resteril and use it every

night. I beleive you would sleep fine that way, but you would still

have to eventually deal with the situation.

Hope all works out for you. Let me know what you decide.

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Fortunately, my sleeping seems to improved to where I am sleeping

between 7 and 8 hours. As far as the melatonin, I think it is pretty

safe, but I would not take it indefinely. Regarding your Resteril, I

am sorry to say that you will never get into what is a normal

sleeping pattern for you untill you are off those pills. You see,

your brain chemistry is not used to your dose of resteril and will

not let you sleep properly without it. As you can see from the POLL

that was taken in this group that the majority of people had horrible

sleep problems before they reached their proper dose of thyroid

hormone. Could you have had a problem with sleep originally because

of your hypothyroidism and took the pills to sleep, but now having

problems because of the pills and not the thyroid. You can build a

tolerance to benzodiazepines where you need more. If you stop the

Resteril by tapering slowly over time, you will have insomnia for a

while until the normal you returns, whatever that may be. When I was

withdrawing from Ativan, I slept 1 to 2 hours a night for about a

month, and then my sleeping was erratic after that. Your only other

alternative is to increase your dose of resteril and use it every

night. I beleive you would sleep fine that way, but you would still

have to eventually deal with the situation.

Hope all works out for you. Let me know what you decide.

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn, at my worst, it took 6 mg of the natrol brand melatonin. This

was before my thyroid was treated. I ordinarily don't mention that I

took this much, but in your case that nothing works, I thought I

would say you might want to try taking more and see if that might

work.

Good luck,

Chris

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn, at my worst, it took 6 mg of the natrol brand melatonin. This

was before my thyroid was treated. I ordinarily don't mention that I

took this much, but in your case that nothing works, I thought I

would say you might want to try taking more and see if that might

work.

Good luck,

Chris

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn, at my worst, it took 6 mg of the natrol brand melatonin. This

was before my thyroid was treated. I ordinarily don't mention that I

took this much, but in your case that nothing works, I thought I

would say you might want to try taking more and see if that might

work.

Good luck,

Chris

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Have a question/suggestion here...

I don't remember how much of what Thyroid supplement you are

taking...

One thing that I have found works for me, and Topper() is the

one who mentioned it first and then I tried it and it worked for me

is to take your final dosage of your thryoid medicine just as you

are tumbling into bed. A few of us who take our Armour in spread out

portions, upon rising and then every 2, 3, or 4 hours through out

the day with the last portion of our Thyroid med as we tumble into

bed.

Another thing that I have taught myself is to use the bedroom to

sleep and change. I read and watch tv and talk on the phone in the

den or elsewhere in the house...thus my body knows that the bedroom

is the sleep room and it starts to turn itself into sleep mode as

soon as I head off to that room.

Be sure, if you are taking an adrenal support, that you take the

last portion in the early afternoon...this way the body will be able

to lower its levels to the sleep cycle levels by bed time.

I'll keep racking my brains for other suggestions and ways of

falling asleep. In the mean time, keep working on slowly attaining

your thyroid replacement optimum levels, this will help out the most

in the long run.

Gossimer

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could

get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it

seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure

appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either

the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Have a question/suggestion here...

I don't remember how much of what Thyroid supplement you are

taking...

One thing that I have found works for me, and Topper() is the

one who mentioned it first and then I tried it and it worked for me

is to take your final dosage of your thryoid medicine just as you

are tumbling into bed. A few of us who take our Armour in spread out

portions, upon rising and then every 2, 3, or 4 hours through out

the day with the last portion of our Thyroid med as we tumble into

bed.

Another thing that I have taught myself is to use the bedroom to

sleep and change. I read and watch tv and talk on the phone in the

den or elsewhere in the house...thus my body knows that the bedroom

is the sleep room and it starts to turn itself into sleep mode as

soon as I head off to that room.

Be sure, if you are taking an adrenal support, that you take the

last portion in the early afternoon...this way the body will be able

to lower its levels to the sleep cycle levels by bed time.

I'll keep racking my brains for other suggestions and ways of

falling asleep. In the mean time, keep working on slowly attaining

your thyroid replacement optimum levels, this will help out the most

in the long run.

Gossimer

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could

get

> even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg melatonin

> is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

hours

> later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin last

> night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

So,

> I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it

seems

> that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure

appreciate

> it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either

the

> sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid of

> time. Thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Gossimer,

I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around 6

am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great but

it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every 1

1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I thought

that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a few

months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

improved and the last pills are time release which I think are even

better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and as

I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo that

Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the doc

and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

still have a ways to go. thanks

Dawn

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could

> get

> > even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg

melatonin

> > is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

> hours

> > later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin

last

> > night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

> So,

> > I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it

> seems

> > that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> > started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure

> appreciate

> > it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> > relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either

> the

> > sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid

of

> > time. Thanks

> > Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Gossimer,

I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around 6

am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great but

it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every 1

1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I thought

that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a few

months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

improved and the last pills are time release which I think are even

better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and as

I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo that

Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the doc

and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

still have a ways to go. thanks

Dawn

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could

> get

> > even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg

melatonin

> > is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

> hours

> > later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin

last

> > night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

> So,

> > I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it

> seems

> > that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> > started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure

> appreciate

> > it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> > relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either

> the

> > sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid

of

> > time. Thanks

> > Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Gossimer,

I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around 6

am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great but

it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every 1

1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I thought

that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a few

months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

improved and the last pills are time release which I think are even

better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and as

I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo that

Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the doc

and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

still have a ways to go. thanks

Dawn

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Glad you got an 8 hour one the other night, . Wish I could

> get

> > even a 6 hour one, neither the sleeping pills or the 3mg

melatonin

> > is not making much difference. I go to sleep and wake about 2

> hours

> > later with sleeping pills I go back OK but with the melatonin

last

> > night I woke at 4 for the 2nd time and have been up ever since.

> So,

> > I guess that there is something else that I need to try as it

> seems

> > that as soon as my body gets used to stuff I am back to where I

> > started again. So if you have any thoughts I would sure

> appreciate

> > it as I am so tired. My normal routine is in bed by 9-9.30 and

> > relax watching my shows till I settle down about 11 with either

> the

> > sleeping pill or the melatonin and asleep within a short peroid

of

> > time. Thanks

> > Dawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn...

You're on Synthroid.... Have you been watching your Free T3? See... with the night time dosing of Natural..it's the T3 that I'm getting at bed time that is taking me through the night....as a poor converter, I didn't have enough T3 in my system for my body to do what it needed to do.. it was preventing me from going into level four sleep, deep sleep, where our bodies do their repair and growth every night..... shallower sleep levels allow noises and things to wake you, more or less in startle response... so increased adrenaline.. perhaps that is where your sleep problems lie... poor conversion while being on a T4 only synthetic????

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:23:10 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Hi Gossimer,I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around 6 am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great but it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every 1 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I thought that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a few months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has improved and the last pills are time release which I think are even better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and as I am seeing an "internist" in a couple of weeks I am trying to get it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo that Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the doc and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but still have a ways to go. thanksDawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn...

You're on Synthroid.... Have you been watching your Free T3? See... with the night time dosing of Natural..it's the T3 that I'm getting at bed time that is taking me through the night....as a poor converter, I didn't have enough T3 in my system for my body to do what it needed to do.. it was preventing me from going into level four sleep, deep sleep, where our bodies do their repair and growth every night..... shallower sleep levels allow noises and things to wake you, more or less in startle response... so increased adrenaline.. perhaps that is where your sleep problems lie... poor conversion while being on a T4 only synthetic????

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:23:10 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Hi Gossimer,I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around 6 am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great but it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every 1 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I thought that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a few months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has improved and the last pills are time release which I think are even better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and as I am seeing an "internist" in a couple of weeks I am trying to get it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo that Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the doc and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but still have a ways to go. thanksDawn

[Guest guest]

Dawn...

You're on Synthroid.... Have you been watching your Free T3? See... with the night time dosing of Natural..it's the T3 that I'm getting at bed time that is taking me through the night....as a poor converter, I didn't have enough T3 in my system for my body to do what it needed to do.. it was preventing me from going into level four sleep, deep sleep, where our bodies do their repair and growth every night..... shallower sleep levels allow noises and things to wake you, more or less in startle response... so increased adrenaline.. perhaps that is where your sleep problems lie... poor conversion while being on a T4 only synthetic????

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:23:10 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Hi Gossimer,I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around 6 am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great but it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every 1 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I thought that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a few months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has improved and the last pills are time release which I think are even better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and as I am seeing an "internist" in a couple of weeks I am trying to get it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo that Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the doc and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but still have a ways to go. thanksDawn

[Guest guest]

Goodmorning ,

I insisted getting my free t3 last time I was tested, against the

grumbling that it was a very expensive test. It came back at the

mid-range mark from the lab. Since I saw that I couldn't eat my

peanuts but that brazils would help with the conversion I am eating

them about 5-10 per day. I make them a mid-morning or mid-afternoon

snack also almonds and one benefit that I find with eating the nuts

is it helps with the bowels and makes them more regular. I am going

to see if I can get a copy of my last labs to " take to the

internist " so then I will have them to post. One excuse is as good

as another, aye??

Dawn

> Dawn...

>

> You're on Synthroid.... Have you been watching your Free T3?

See... with

> the night time dosing of Natural..it's the T3 that I'm getting at

bed

> time that is taking me through the night....as a poor converter, I

didn't

> have enough T3 in my system for my body to do what it needed to

do.. it

> was preventing me from going into level four sleep, deep sleep,

where our

> bodies do their repair and growth every night..... shallower sleep

levels

> allow noises and things to wake you, more or less in startle

response...

> so increased adrenaline.. perhaps that is where your sleep problems

> lie... poor conversion while being on a T4 only synthetic????

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:23:10 -0000 " dawn prince " <dwnprince@y...>

> writes:

>

> Hi Gossimer,

>

> I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around

6

> am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great

but

> it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every

1

> 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I

thought

> that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

> but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

> sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a

few

> months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

> was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

> improved and the last pills are time release which I think are

even

> better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and

as

> I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

> it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

> him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo

that

> Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

> protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

> after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

> then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

> have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the

doc

> and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

> still have a ways to go. thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Goodmorning ,

I insisted getting my free t3 last time I was tested, against the

grumbling that it was a very expensive test. It came back at the

mid-range mark from the lab. Since I saw that I couldn't eat my

peanuts but that brazils would help with the conversion I am eating

them about 5-10 per day. I make them a mid-morning or mid-afternoon

snack also almonds and one benefit that I find with eating the nuts

is it helps with the bowels and makes them more regular. I am going

to see if I can get a copy of my last labs to " take to the

internist " so then I will have them to post. One excuse is as good

as another, aye??

Dawn

> Dawn...

>

> You're on Synthroid.... Have you been watching your Free T3?

See... with

> the night time dosing of Natural..it's the T3 that I'm getting at

bed

> time that is taking me through the night....as a poor converter, I

didn't

> have enough T3 in my system for my body to do what it needed to

do.. it

> was preventing me from going into level four sleep, deep sleep,

where our

> bodies do their repair and growth every night..... shallower sleep

levels

> allow noises and things to wake you, more or less in startle

response...

> so increased adrenaline.. perhaps that is where your sleep problems

> lie... poor conversion while being on a T4 only synthetic????

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:23:10 -0000 " dawn prince " <dwnprince@y...>

> writes:

>

> Hi Gossimer,

>

> I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around

6

> am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great

but

> it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every

1

> 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I

thought

> that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

> but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

> sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a

few

> months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

> was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

> improved and the last pills are time release which I think are

even

> better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and

as

> I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

> it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

> him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo

that

> Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

> protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

> after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

> then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

> have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the

doc

> and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

> still have a ways to go. thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Goodmorning ,

I insisted getting my free t3 last time I was tested, against the

grumbling that it was a very expensive test. It came back at the

mid-range mark from the lab. Since I saw that I couldn't eat my

peanuts but that brazils would help with the conversion I am eating

them about 5-10 per day. I make them a mid-morning or mid-afternoon

snack also almonds and one benefit that I find with eating the nuts

is it helps with the bowels and makes them more regular. I am going

to see if I can get a copy of my last labs to " take to the

internist " so then I will have them to post. One excuse is as good

as another, aye??

Dawn

> Dawn...

>

> You're on Synthroid.... Have you been watching your Free T3?

See... with

> the night time dosing of Natural..it's the T3 that I'm getting at

bed

> time that is taking me through the night....as a poor converter, I

didn't

> have enough T3 in my system for my body to do what it needed to

do.. it

> was preventing me from going into level four sleep, deep sleep,

where our

> bodies do their repair and growth every night..... shallower sleep

levels

> allow noises and things to wake you, more or less in startle

response...

> so increased adrenaline.. perhaps that is where your sleep problems

> lie... poor conversion while being on a T4 only synthetic????

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:23:10 -0000 " dawn prince " <dwnprince@y...>

> writes:

>

> Hi Gossimer,

>

> I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around

6

> am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great

but

> it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every

1

> 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I

thought

> that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

> but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

> sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a

few

> months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

> was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

> improved and the last pills are time release which I think are

even

> better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and

as

> I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

> it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

> him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo

that

> Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

> protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

> after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

> then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

> have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the

doc

> and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

> still have a ways to go. thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Eating up to 10 a day isn't a wise idea.. cut it down to about 3.....

At mid range your T3 was a bit low.... you may want to do as much as you can to get your conversion a bit higher....

Small regular meals, avoiding goitrogens - the top of the list of those that are easy to miss are soy in foods and high fructose corn syrup.... get into the habit of reading labels... those two show up in WAY TOO MANY things....

Post your labs and ranges.... so we can see Free T4 and Free T3.....

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:15:01 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Goodmorning ,I insisted getting my free t3 last time I was tested, against the grumbling that it was a very expensive test. It came back at the mid-range mark from the lab. Since I saw that I couldn't eat my peanuts but that brazils would help with the conversion I am eating them about 5-10 per day. I make them a mid-morning or mid-afternoon snack also almonds and one benefit that I find with eating the nuts is it helps with the bowels and makes them more regular. I am going to see if I can get a copy of my last labs to "take to the internist" so then I will have them to post. One excuse is as good as another, aye??Dawn

[Guest guest]

Eating up to 10 a day isn't a wise idea.. cut it down to about 3.....

At mid range your T3 was a bit low.... you may want to do as much as you can to get your conversion a bit higher....

Small regular meals, avoiding goitrogens - the top of the list of those that are easy to miss are soy in foods and high fructose corn syrup.... get into the habit of reading labels... those two show up in WAY TOO MANY things....

Post your labs and ranges.... so we can see Free T4 and Free T3.....

Topper ()

On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:15:01 -0000 "dawn prince" writes:

Goodmorning ,I insisted getting my free t3 last time I was tested, against the grumbling that it was a very expensive test. It came back at the mid-range mark from the lab. Since I saw that I couldn't eat my peanuts but that brazils would help with the conversion I am eating them about 5-10 per day. I make them a mid-morning or mid-afternoon snack also almonds and one benefit that I find with eating the nuts is it helps with the bowels and makes them more regular. I am going to see if I can get a copy of my last labs to "take to the internist" so then I will have them to post. One excuse is as good as another, aye??Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Do you know what your Free T3 levels were on your last blood test?

I have forgotten, please remind me, what was your diagnosis?

I am asking because .125 is a rather low dosage for some of us.

I have Hashi's and was on .275 before I switched over to natural.

I am thinking that you are due for an increase.

I am also thinking, after 9 years under this " Internist " care that

you DEMAND to see an Endo or an ENT Specialist...I have worked with

enough insurance companies to know that after 9 years you should

have been seen by a specialist long ago....

Perhaps, it is time for a full blood screening again?

Include Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, and Ratios, Triglycerides,

Glucose(Diabetes), Kidney, Liver, and Heart Functions, Potassium,

Calcium, Uric Acid, Electrolytes, Iron, PLUS a CBC (Complete Blood

Count) and Comprehensive Thyroid Profile II: Free T3, Free T4, and

TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone), Thyroglobulin Antibodies and

Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies, 24 hour Silvia Adrenal test.

Gossimer

>

> Hi Gossimer,

>

> I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around

6

> am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great

but

> it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every

1

> 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I

thought

> that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

> but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

> sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a

few

> months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

> was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

> improved and the last pills are time release which I think are

even

> better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and

as

> I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

> it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

> him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo

that

> Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

> protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

> after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

> then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

> have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the

doc

> and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

> still have a ways to go. thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Do you know what your Free T3 levels were on your last blood test?

I have forgotten, please remind me, what was your diagnosis?

I am asking because .125 is a rather low dosage for some of us.

I have Hashi's and was on .275 before I switched over to natural.

I am thinking that you are due for an increase.

I am also thinking, after 9 years under this " Internist " care that

you DEMAND to see an Endo or an ENT Specialist...I have worked with

enough insurance companies to know that after 9 years you should

have been seen by a specialist long ago....

Perhaps, it is time for a full blood screening again?

Include Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, and Ratios, Triglycerides,

Glucose(Diabetes), Kidney, Liver, and Heart Functions, Potassium,

Calcium, Uric Acid, Electrolytes, Iron, PLUS a CBC (Complete Blood

Count) and Comprehensive Thyroid Profile II: Free T3, Free T4, and

TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone), Thyroglobulin Antibodies and

Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies, 24 hour Silvia Adrenal test.

Gossimer

>

> Hi Gossimer,

>

> I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around

6

> am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great

but

> it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every

1

> 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I

thought

> that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

> but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

> sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a

few

> months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

> was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

> improved and the last pills are time release which I think are

even

> better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and

as

> I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

> it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

> him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo

that

> Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

> protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

> after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

> then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

> have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the

doc

> and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

> still have a ways to go. thanks

> Dawn

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Do you know what your Free T3 levels were on your last blood test?

I have forgotten, please remind me, what was your diagnosis?

I am asking because .125 is a rather low dosage for some of us.

I have Hashi's and was on .275 before I switched over to natural.

I am thinking that you are due for an increase.

I am also thinking, after 9 years under this " Internist " care that

you DEMAND to see an Endo or an ENT Specialist...I have worked with

enough insurance companies to know that after 9 years you should

have been seen by a specialist long ago....

Perhaps, it is time for a full blood screening again?

Include Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, and Ratios, Triglycerides,

Glucose(Diabetes), Kidney, Liver, and Heart Functions, Potassium,

Calcium, Uric Acid, Electrolytes, Iron, PLUS a CBC (Complete Blood

Count) and Comprehensive Thyroid Profile II: Free T3, Free T4, and

TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone), Thyroglobulin Antibodies and

Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies, 24 hour Silvia Adrenal test.

Gossimer

>

> Hi Gossimer,

>

> I am on .125mg of Synthroid which I usually take on waking around

6

> am and I am not on adrenal support as yet. I go to sleep great

but

> it is the staying asleep that I have the problem with waking every

1

> 1/2 - 2 hours and then going back is where I hit the wall. I

thought

> that it was habit with having a hubby who had very bad sleep apnea

> but that improved when we got a realy good bed and he started

> sleeping more on his stomach. If that had been the case then a

few

> months on sleep pills would have worked. The doc thought that it

> was because of the over active bladder, but with meds that has

> improved and the last pills are time release which I think are

even

> better. So this is why I am now looking in another direction and

as

> I am seeing an " internist " in a couple of weeks I am trying to get

> it all together so that I can get the best out of my meeting with

> him. It would have been nice if my doc had sent me to the endo

that

> Shomon recommended Capes at MacMasters' but we have a

> protocol to follow and the internist has to do that. Amazing that

> after nearly 9 years of diag: I still have not seen an endo, but

> then until I came here I didn't know that I could feel better. I

> have improved with being able to say I need this or that to the

doc

> and that is because of the amount that I have learned here, but

> still have a ways to go. thanks

> Dawn