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I guess the question to ask now is, " Is more better? " If most of your patients

are being seen at the highest RUG level, are they showing better outcomes than

if they were seen at a lower level? That's the " reasonable and necessary "

pierce- rather subjective, but in some cases the answer may be very obvious.

Providing LOTS of therapy can result in inflammation and swelling or

over-fatigued patients- a negative outcome for doing " more. " Or patients may be

no better off than if they got less therapy. And of course in some cases the

patients will get better faster with more therapy. This is why the therapist's

professional judgment must be the basis for determining RUGs levels. Now from

the business side- you need to look at the cost of the therapists to provide the

highest RUG level attainable, the reimbursement amount available for that level

(in typical Medicare rationale, Rehab Medium + extensive services pays more than

Rehab High + extensive services which offers more therapy time...) Knowing the

optimal timing of services can help reimbursement as well. A large

reimbursement benefit could result from deciding to provide a weekend therapy

session on Saturday instead of Sunday, for example. A few missed minutes one

day could reduce the daily Medicare payments for a two week period or more...

Everyone needs to have at least a basic understanding of how this system works

and tracking tools need to be as close to real-time as possible.

October will bring us some adjustments to the Medicare system. ine o's

RUGS to Riches course (Encompass Consulting and Instruction) will help

therapists to understand the implications of those changes. Her Medicare Made

Easy course is also a great resource for learning about Medicare A & B systems.

My read is that " More is better " is destined to be replaced by buzz words

" efficiency " and " outcomes. "

Melinda Nygren Pierce, PT, MS

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Let me clarify.  The rehab RUG is determined by the therapy dept.  Whether

they are ultra high, very high, high, medium or low.  We project how many

minutes are needed throughout the week to attempt to meet that initially set

rehab RUG level.  The final RUG level is determined by what information the MDS

coordinator gets from nursing.  She formulates in the extensive services by

nursing and if the patient had IV feeding in the past 7 days or if they were on

IV meds, suctioning, trach care or ventilator/respirator in the past 14 days to

come up with a final RUG score.  The facility is paid based on the final RUG

score.

 

However, this RUG level, and facility reimbursement, can change throughout a

patients stay.  An MDS is done on day 5, 14, 30, 60 and 90.  As the patient

improves  the  extensive services number from nursing generally gets smaller,

that means nursing is not doing so much to help the patient with transfers, bed

mobility, toileting, bathing, dressing and feeding.

 

Egbert

DOR

Draper, UT

 

 

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Subject: Re: Learning about SNF

To: PTManager@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:PTManager% 40yahoogroups. com>

Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 11:54 AM

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I work in an outpatient clinic so I'm unfamiliar with a SNU's inner workings. My

questions are simply out of curiosity.

1. When is a patient's RUG level determined? Is it determined after the first PT

encounter?

2. Who determines a patient's RUG level(Treating PT, PT director, case

management, other)?

Thank you in advance.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

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outpatient setting. Does anyone have resources (books, seminars, etc) to learn

about this area of practice. I need it to cover the very basics. Thanks

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