Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 , This is how I would write it. The patient was admitted and underwent a right femoral to above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. I definitely am with you, I don't want it done to me, either. How to write this. > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > CS Grad, 2002 > Salt Lake City > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2002 Report Share Posted July 31, 2002 , This is how I would write it. The patient was admitted and underwent a right femoral to above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. I definitely am with you, I don't want it done to me, either. How to write this. > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > CS Grad, 2002 > Salt Lake City > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I swear I learned somewhere not to hyphenate ranges. I wouldn't hyphen this one, . Like: mild to moderate pain, etc. Can anyone back me up on this? If I'm wrong, I'll be more than glad to admit it and learn something! How to write this. > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > CS Grad, 2002 > Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I swear I learned somewhere not to hyphenate ranges. I wouldn't hyphen this one, . Like: mild to moderate pain, etc. Can anyone back me up on this? If I'm wrong, I'll be more than glad to admit it and learn something! How to write this. > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > CS Grad, 2002 > Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I swear I learned somewhere not to hyphenate ranges. I wouldn't hyphen this one, . Like: mild to moderate pain, etc. Can anyone back me up on this? If I'm wrong, I'll be more than glad to admit it and learn something! How to write this. > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > CS Grad, 2002 > Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Am trying to get the rest of the day off and will research it today if I do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Webmedx employee Career Step graduate, 10/02/01 Experience: 9 months My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Am trying to get the rest of the day off and will research it today if I do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Webmedx employee Career Step graduate, 10/02/01 Experience: 9 months My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Am trying to get the rest of the day off and will research it today if I do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Webmedx employee Career Step graduate, 10/02/01 Experience: 9 months My Home Page: http://www.renesue.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I'm not taking issue with the above-knee, as in above-knee amputation. It's the... > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee ....hyphens between femoral/to/above that I am addressing. I would buy above-the-knee grafting. 's examples above involve ranges. That's what I want to find out about for sure. Like, do you hyphenate mild-to-moderate effusion? I don't because it is a range and my brain tells me I learned not to do this. *G* I hope to have time to research it today though. Hey, don't we have some English majors on the list? Uuuuuuu-whooooooooooo! Re: How to write this. Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I'm not taking issue with the above-knee, as in above-knee amputation. It's the... > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee ....hyphens between femoral/to/above that I am addressing. I would buy above-the-knee grafting. 's examples above involve ranges. That's what I want to find out about for sure. Like, do you hyphenate mild-to-moderate effusion? I don't because it is a range and my brain tells me I learned not to do this. *G* I hope to have time to research it today though. Hey, don't we have some English majors on the list? Uuuuuuu-whooooooooooo! Re: How to write this. Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I'm not taking issue with the above-knee, as in above-knee amputation. It's the... > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee ....hyphens between femoral/to/above that I am addressing. I would buy above-the-knee grafting. 's examples above involve ranges. That's what I want to find out about for sure. Like, do you hyphenate mild-to-moderate effusion? I don't because it is a range and my brain tells me I learned not to do this. *G* I hope to have time to research it today though. Hey, don't we have some English majors on the list? Uuuuuuu-whooooooooooo! Re: How to write this. Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Okay, I just wrote the AAMT help desk. Will let y'all know what they say. How to write this. The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting or is it femoral-to-above the knee or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee However you write it, I don't want it done to me. CS Grad, 2002 Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Okay, I just wrote the AAMT help desk. Will let y'all know what they say. How to write this. The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting or is it femoral-to-above the knee or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee However you write it, I don't want it done to me. CS Grad, 2002 Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Okay, I just wrote the AAMT help desk. Will let y'all know what they say. How to write this. The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting or is it femoral-to-above the knee or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee However you write it, I don't want it done to me. CS Grad, 2002 Salt Lake City Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Rennie, If I am wrong on this issue, please tell me. I would not be in the least offended. How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Rennie, If I am wrong on this issue, please tell me. I would not be in the least offended. How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Rennie, If I am wrong on this issue, please tell me. I would not be in the least offended. How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Ditto!! Thanks, Jen! Still haven't heard from AAMT. Either they are busy or they're thinkin' about it. <G> Re: How to write this. - Great answer. No argument from my corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Dawn C. M-TEC Student IC, Ortho - 11 mos AIM: fasthands47 How to write this. > > > > The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the > > knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting > > > > or is it femoral-to-above the knee > > or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee > > > > However you write it, I don't want it done to me. > > > > > > CS Grad, 2002 > > Salt Lake City > > > > > TO REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THIS MAILING LIST send a blank email to nmtc-unsubscribe > > PLEASE VISIT THE NMTC WEB SITE - http://go.to/nmtc > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 I see what you're saying. Now, I'm curious, too. I'm off to see if the BOS has anything for this. I have the Greg Manual around here somewhere. I'll dig that out to see if it addresses this. Good luck getting the day off. Dawn C. M-TEC Student IC, Ortho - 11 mos AIM: fasthands47 Re: How to write this. Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 Okay - I think I found the answer. Gregg Reference Manual (7th ed) states on page 118: " A hyphen may be used in place of the word 'to' to link two figures that represent a continuous sequence. (example: on pages 18-28, during the week of May 15-21, etc.). Do not use the hyphen if the sequence is introduced by the word 'from' or 'between' (example: from 1993 to 1996, between 1991 and 1994, etc.) " Because the word 'from' could be assumed in femoral to above-the-knee, it would not be hyphenated. on page 196: (this will take care of all the other hyphenation arguments that have been batted around on the list for the last ... well, forever) " Hyphenate phrases used as compound adjectives BEFORE a noun [capitalization added for emphasis]. Do not hyphenate such phrases when they occur normally elsewhere in the sentence. " (example: 'above-the-knee amputation' or 'an amputation above the knee'; 'over-the-counter medications' or 'can be purchased over the counter', 'well-known actor' or 'actor who is well known,' etc.) I think the following rule may cover the " mild-to-moderate " or other range argument : page 186: " A compound adjective consists of two words that function as a unit and express a single thought. These one-thought modifiers are derived from (and take the place of) adjective phrases and clauses. " (examples: duty-free imports, well-known actor, ten-story building, etc.) " Hyphenate the elements of a compound adjective that occurs BEFORE [capitalization added for emphasis] a noun. (reason: The words that make up the compound adjective are not in their normal order or a normal form and require hyphens to hold them together). " (examples: worst-case scenario, long-range plans, high-ranking official, etc.) Basically, since 'mild to moderate' does not express one thought and instead are referring to two separate things (i.e., mild effusion or moderate effusion). I hope this can help resolve something. Of course, it may just create more questions! : ) Jen Re: How to write this. Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2002 Report Share Posted August 1, 2002 - Great answer. No argument from my corner. Dawn C. M-TEC Student IC, Ortho - 11 mos AIM: fasthands47 Re: How to write this. Jumping on in this one - all of my references (Stedman's Ortho, Stedman's Abbreviations and HPI's Ortho) list above-knee with hyphens, although it is only listed as above-knee and not as above-the knee. Still, isn't this a case of a compound modifier requiring hyphens? I transcribed pathology reports for only about 6 months, but hyphens were always used in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 I received an answer from AAMT. They have been working the convention and apologized for the delay. Pasting below: Rennie, I'm sorry for the delay in answering your inquiry. We have been working at the AAMT annual meeting in Dallas. I'm inclined to go with your example: The patient underwent a right femoral to above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. Using additional hyphens creates clutter, and the meaning is quite clear. I would not hyphenate mild to moderate effusion. Diane S. Heath, CMT MT Research Assistant AAMT HELP DESK Ask the AAMT Help Desk Question: Should there be hyphens in words that express ranges, such as: The patient underwent a right femoral to above the knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. I would hyphen it this way: The patient underwent a right femoral to above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. Some MTs are saying it should be: The patient underwent a right femoral-to-above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. The question is whether to use more hyphens. This is an issue we are discussing on one of our MT email lists. My stance is that we don't hyphen (text) ranges. Like: mild to moderate effusion I would NOT hyphen it because it is a range. Thanks! How to write this. The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting or is it femoral-to-above the knee or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2002 Report Share Posted August 5, 2002 I received an answer from AAMT. They have been working the convention and apologized for the delay. Pasting below: Rennie, I'm sorry for the delay in answering your inquiry. We have been working at the AAMT annual meeting in Dallas. I'm inclined to go with your example: The patient underwent a right femoral to above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. Using additional hyphens creates clutter, and the meaning is quite clear. I would not hyphenate mild to moderate effusion. Diane S. Heath, CMT MT Research Assistant AAMT HELP DESK Ask the AAMT Help Desk Question: Should there be hyphens in words that express ranges, such as: The patient underwent a right femoral to above the knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. I would hyphen it this way: The patient underwent a right femoral to above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. Some MTs are saying it should be: The patient underwent a right femoral-to-above-the-knee popliteal artery bypass grafting. The question is whether to use more hyphens. This is an issue we are discussing on one of our MT email lists. My stance is that we don't hyphen (text) ranges. Like: mild to moderate effusion I would NOT hyphen it because it is a range. Thanks! How to write this. The patient was admitted and underwent a " right femoral to above the knee " popliteal artery bypass grafting or is it femoral-to-above the knee or is it femoral-to-above-the-knee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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