Guest guest Posted December 29, 2002 Report Share Posted December 29, 2002 My understanding is that zinc and selenium need to stay within a certain ratio range (although I don't know what that range is) so too much zinc could put that out of balance. S--- On Mon 12/30, autchic & lt; joannmrozinski@... & gt; wrote:From: autchic [mailto: joannmrozinski@...]To: @...: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:07:59 -0000Subject: [ ] zinc overload ?at what point would I be over doing zinc supplements for my son who is 4 yrs old and approx 31 lbs ? he is low zinc and high copper...so I trying to load up on zinc before chelating but how do I know if over doing it ? any signs like if over do vit C...?thanks ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 > at what point would I be over doing zinc supplements for my son who > is 4 yrs old and approx 31 lbs ? For my kids, they did fine with zinc so long as I did not give too much, which made one of my kids hyper. I reduced the zinc and he was fine. After quite a number of rounds of ALA chelation, my son was getting hyper again, so I removed the zinc, and he was back to normal. Apparently at that time he no longer needed added zinc. So from my son's experience, give zinc unless your child gets hyper from it, then either reduce it or remove it. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Hi Dana, Are you chelating with DMSA and lipoic? I'm wondering about DMSA and ALA chelating out the zinc. My son can be pretty hyper and I often wonder about his supplements causing this. We recently lowered my son's zinc from 60mg to 40mg. Some time ago we went to Pfeiffer and it was determined he had a zinc/copper imbalance. He hasn't been retested so I'm really not sure where we stand with it. Does anyone know the zinc/selenium ratio that was mentioned on a previous post? Thanks, Kathy P.S. Your kids are soooo cute! > > at what point would I be over doing zinc supplements for my son who > > is 4 yrs old and approx 31 lbs ? > > > For my kids, they did fine with zinc so long as I did not give too > much, which made one of my kids hyper. I reduced the zinc and he was > fine. > > After quite a number of rounds of ALA chelation, my son was getting > hyper again, so I removed the zinc, and he was back to normal. > Apparently at that time he no longer needed added zinc. > > So from my son's experience, give zinc unless your child gets hyper > from it, then either reduce it or remove it. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 > at what point would I be over doing zinc supplements for my son who > is 4 yrs old and approx 31 lbs ? I used to give my son 50mg zinc per day, in 2-3 doses. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 Valentina, I disagree. I read that DMSA chelates zinc and many other minerals. Once I did essential minerals urine test (while on DMSA) and the excretion of almost all minerals was many times beyond the chart. I think that's why we need to stop and replenish the minerals between rounds. Margaret --- In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...> wrote: > > I'm wondering about DMSA and > > ALA chelating out the zinc. > > DMSA or ALA won't chelate out zinc. ALA impairs the body's ability to excrete > copper. When copper is high, usually zinc gets low. > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 > Hi Dana, > Are you chelating with DMSA and lipoic? ALA only. > I'm wondering about DMSA and > ALA chelating out the zinc. My son can be pretty hyper and I often > wonder about his supplements causing this. Supplements are a major cause of hyper for many kids. What supps do you give? We recently lowered my > son's zinc from 60mg to 40mg. That is still high, especially if he may not need it. I would consider reducing it even more, like maybe to 10 mg > P.S. Your kids are soooo cute! I think so, but of course I am NOT biased! Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 We are using a boatload of supplements. Calcium Citrate 1000mg biotin 300mcg chromium picolinate 100mcg Kirkman Multivitamin Pro support selenium 100mcg molybdenum 250 mcg vitamin D 200 IU Vitamn C 1000 mg milk thistle 200mg Butyric -Cal-Mag 2 caps daily Magnesium malate Vitamin E 300 IU Pro EPA Pro DHA *These are daily values. I give Culturelle and ProBio Gold many of them in divided doses. Zinc Picolinate 40mg 4Life TF We chelate using Andy's schedule with DMSA and ALA. On chelating days we add in more Glycine and Taurine. Just when I think I can start removing things, I come across something new I wonder if we should try. I've been reading some interesting things about cilantro and the BBB...according to my reading it crosses and works much like ALA. Anybody know about this? Kathy > > Hi Dana, > > Are you chelating with DMSA and lipoic? > > > ALA only. > > > > I'm wondering about DMSA and > > ALA chelating out the zinc. My son can be pretty hyper and I often > > wonder about his supplements causing this. > > > Supplements are a major cause of hyper for many kids. What supps do > you give? > > > We recently lowered my > > son's zinc from 60mg to 40mg. > > > That is still high, especially if he may not need it. I would > consider reducing it even more, like maybe to 10 mg > > > > P.S. Your kids are soooo cute! > > > I think so, but of course I am NOT biased! > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 > We are using a boatload of supplements. Did you add them one at a time to see if they caused any problems? > biotin 300mcg > Pro EPA > Pro DHA > 4Life TF I have never used the ones above, so I don't have personal experience. > Kirkman Multivitamin Pro support What is in this one? Especially does it contain high B6 and/or P5P? That is a common problem causing hyper for many kids. > selenium 100mcg > molybdenum 250 mcg > chromium picolinate 100mcg > Zinc Picolinate 40mg > Vitamn C 1000 mg This is much higher than RDA for both of these, so I would be suspicious that your child might not need that much. For vitamin C, many kids have problems with it and you might need to experiment with supplier/source. http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm > Butyric -Cal-Mag 2 caps daily > Magnesium malate This is in addition to the calcium from the other supplement? Also seems like too much magnesium. > Culturelle and ProBio Gold Some kids don't tolerate probiotics, or don't tolerate some probiotics but tolerate others. > Just when I think I can start removing things, I come across > something new I wonder if we should try. I've been reading some > interesting things about cilantro and the BBB...according to my > reading it crosses and works much like ALA. Does it do anything that ALA does not do? If not, then I would advise not to consider it at this time, because you have other issues to try to work out. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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