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Hey Jim,

Excellent post. kept me awake all the way through. If enough of us post

to our elected reps and senators maybe somebody will reinforce the idea

that the bills currently being proposed do NOT cover areas that need to be

addressed.

A. Towne, PT

In a message dated 2/11/2010 2:01:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

JHall49629@... writes:

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to

call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If

a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center

for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative Contractor),

rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of

1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she

wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with a

contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I

have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I

wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you

get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but

the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you

did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is

this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this question

as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research).

The 4 are as follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

_http://www.dol.http://wwhttp://www.dhttp://www.dol.http_

(http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm)

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they

chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other

3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed

geographic reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee

Schedule).

Everyone has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the

why of something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like

something in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and

move on/change their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the

other 3 federal programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters

the other 3 programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these

insurance companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I would

ask

all of you reading this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficia1. Doe

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by

multiple Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and

Intermediaries (Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA

had at

least one r and Intermediary under contract to administer their

regulations and provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had

multiple rs and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was

responsible for interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen

consolidation of rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend

to understand HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a

basis in reducing cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the

regulations. I know the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC

for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The

result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of the

Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for

that state?

3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or

should have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option

(which employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients

over to a catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account)

account. That way the insurance companies have less control and the

consumer becomes more responsible for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some

form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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Jim -

Here is a tool you might find helpful to send to your Senator - " If Air Travel

Worked Like Healthcare " (

). The video

is based on an article by Rauch in the National Journal.

Enjoy,

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociates

www.therapeuticassociates.com

www.careconnections.com

phone  |  ext 1102

Insurance Reform

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States Senator's

office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was extremely

generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare Providers and the

issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS (Center for

Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative Contractor), rs,

Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974), etc.

When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she wasn't well versed in

what I was talking about. She did provide me with a contact that is better

positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and I have left a message.

I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance regulations to " level the

playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am doing a good job of

educating people why I believe this is important. I wish every single person

that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post. For the most part,

Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how much. The patient

comes in the door for your services, but the patient's insurance company

dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how much you are

going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I think there

are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing laws

governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal insurance

programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4 are as

follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of insurance

laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state boundaries.

Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each year, our

state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance Companies

review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4

of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation

has been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many other

medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from out

of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that state?

3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire staff

to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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Jim -

Here is a tool you might find helpful to send to your Senator - " If Air Travel

Worked Like Healthcare " (

). The video

is based on an article by Rauch in the National Journal.

Enjoy,

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociates

www.therapeuticassociates.com

www.careconnections.com

phone  |  ext 1102

Insurance Reform

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States Senator's

office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was extremely

generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare Providers and the

issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS (Center for

Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative Contractor), rs,

Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974), etc.

When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she wasn't well versed in

what I was talking about. She did provide me with a contact that is better

positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and I have left a message.

I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance regulations to " level the

playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am doing a good job of

educating people why I believe this is important. I wish every single person

that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post. For the most part,

Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how much. The patient

comes in the door for your services, but the patient's insurance company

dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how much you are

going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I think there

are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing laws

governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal insurance

programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4 are as

follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of insurance

laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state boundaries.

Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each year, our

state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance Companies

review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4

of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation

has been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many other

medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from out

of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that state?

3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire staff

to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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One more benefit to the consumer of standardizing the policies, and requiring

that they be available to access, is that the consumer can now make an informed

choice when choosing Insurance Company A vs. Insurance Company B, or plan 'a'

vs. plan 'b' within a company. Right now the information is misleading at best,

and purposely vague at worst. When we purchase products in stores, an item's

makeup whether it be ingredients, chemical, or material is printed for us to see

openly. We can compare similar items based on this information and determine

comparative pricing between other manufacturers, or other markets. We have the

same option with cars, appliances, furniture, etc, but when it comes to our

Health Insurance, that information is hidden in clauses subject to

interpretation (the insurer's), and created to dissuade us from its use.

This is not whether we need National Healthcare, this is about the need to fix

the inequity that exists today between the insurance industry, the consumers,

and the providers. Right now, as long as the insurance industry can hide behind

their unpublished data, guidelines, fee schedules, and their cries that any

change will increase the ranks of the uninsured, or raise rates, this will

continue to spiral out of control. Transparency is a step in the right

direction.

Bernice Small, PT

Freehold, NJ

________________________________

To: PTManager

Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:06:47 PM

Subject: Insurance Reform

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States Senator's

office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was extremely

generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare Providers and the

issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS (Center for

Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative Contractor), rs,

Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974), etc.

When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she wasn't well versed in

what I was talking about. She did provide me with a contact that is better

positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and I have left a message.

I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance regulations to " level the

playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am doing a good job of

educating people why I believe this is important. I wish every single person

that reads PTManager would take some

time to read this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates

whether you get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your

services, but the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do,

whether you did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that

patient. Is this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this

question as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing laws

governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal insurance

programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4 are as

follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

http://www.dol. gov/ebsa/ regs/fedreg/ final/2000029766 .htm

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of insurance

laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state boundaries.

Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each year, our

state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance Companies

review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficia ries)?

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is

now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and

B). The result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of

the Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many other

medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from out

of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that state?

3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire staff

to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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One more benefit to the consumer of standardizing the policies, and requiring

that they be available to access, is that the consumer can now make an informed

choice when choosing Insurance Company A vs. Insurance Company B, or plan 'a'

vs. plan 'b' within a company. Right now the information is misleading at best,

and purposely vague at worst. When we purchase products in stores, an item's

makeup whether it be ingredients, chemical, or material is printed for us to see

openly. We can compare similar items based on this information and determine

comparative pricing between other manufacturers, or other markets. We have the

same option with cars, appliances, furniture, etc, but when it comes to our

Health Insurance, that information is hidden in clauses subject to

interpretation (the insurer's), and created to dissuade us from its use.

This is not whether we need National Healthcare, this is about the need to fix

the inequity that exists today between the insurance industry, the consumers,

and the providers. Right now, as long as the insurance industry can hide behind

their unpublished data, guidelines, fee schedules, and their cries that any

change will increase the ranks of the uninsured, or raise rates, this will

continue to spiral out of control. Transparency is a step in the right

direction.

Bernice Small, PT

Freehold, NJ

________________________________

To: PTManager

Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:06:47 PM

Subject: Insurance Reform

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States Senator's

office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was extremely

generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare Providers and the

issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS (Center for

Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative Contractor), rs,

Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974), etc.

When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she wasn't well versed in

what I was talking about. She did provide me with a contact that is better

positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and I have left a message.

I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance regulations to " level the

playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am doing a good job of

educating people why I believe this is important. I wish every single person

that reads PTManager would take some

time to read this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates

whether you get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your

services, but the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do,

whether you did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that

patient. Is this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this

question as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing laws

governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal insurance

programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4 are as

follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

http://www.dol. gov/ebsa/ regs/fedreg/ final/2000029766 .htm

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of insurance

laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state boundaries.

Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each year, our

state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance Companies

review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficia ries)?

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is

now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and

B). The result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of

the Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many other

medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from out

of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that state?

3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire staff

to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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A word of advice regarding our legislators. Having had the pleasure of

being in DC with the APTA what I can tell you is that you are likely to

have a much more meaningful discussion with their health policy advisor

or aide. They are typically a staffer, not uncommon to be younger, but

typically more well versed depending upon your legislator. Some take

special interest in the various areas that are out there such as

healthcare VS security. It's impossible for one legislator to know all

of the areas they have to deal with. When you contact your legislator

ask if they have a health policy advisor or aide and speak with them,

ask if the legislator can be present too, but not a necessity. I've

been asked specific questions from the health policy advisor about

topics such as concurrent therapy, group therapy, for profit VS not-for

profit organizations, medical home models and various other general

healthcare topics not just specific to therapy. Do your best to keep on

your specific area, be prepared to discuss areas that are impacted by

PT, and most of all don't guess at an answer to a question they ask. If

you don't know, then let them know that and that you can get back with

them when you have an answer.

Good luck,

cm

>>> 02/11/10 2:51 PM >>>

Hey Jim,

Excellent post. kept me awake all the way through. If enough of us

post

to our elected reps and senators maybe somebody will reinforce the idea

that the bills currently being proposed do NOT cover areas that need to

be

addressed.

A. Towne, PT

In a message dated 2/11/2010 2:01:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

JHall49629@... writes:

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse,

having to

call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If

a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have

to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare

and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation

was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like

CMS (Center

for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor),

rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security

Act of

1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she

wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a

contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I

have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I

wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to

read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether

you

get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services,

but

the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether

you

did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that

patient. Is

this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this

question

as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research).

The 4 are as follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded prog

ram with State matching funds

required)

3. Champus/Tricare 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I

believe

this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you

would

like to read up on it:

_http://www.dol.http://wwhttp://www.dhttp://www.dol.http_

(http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm)

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their

state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some

modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year,

our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if

they

chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the

other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will

correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed

geographic reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee

Schedule).

Everyone has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't

understand the

why of something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't

like

something in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it

and

move on/change their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the

other 3 federal programs. However, I would expect that not everyone

encounters

the other 3 programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction

(unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another

state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these

insurance companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I

would ask

all of you reading this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance

companies/beneficia1. Doe

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to

provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare

Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by

multiple Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and

Intermediaries (Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state

HCFA had at

least one r and Intermediary under contract to administer their

regulations and provide oversight of their programs. In some states,

HCFA had

multiple rs and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was

responsible for interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have

seen

consolidation of rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot

pretend

to understand HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it

had a

basis in reducing cost and providing more consistent interpretation of

the

regulations. I know the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the

MAC

for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and B).

The

result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of

the

Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals

and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Wo

rk Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know 3. Are any of my patients covered under an

out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or,

could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot

of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they

don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew

or

should have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare

provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option

(which employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push

patients

over to a catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings

account)

account. That way the insurance companies have less control and the

consumer becomes more responsible for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some

form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together

to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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A word of advice regarding our legislators. Having had the pleasure of

being in DC with the APTA what I can tell you is that you are likely to

have a much more meaningful discussion with their health policy advisor

or aide. They are typically a staffer, not uncommon to be younger, but

typically more well versed depending upon your legislator. Some take

special interest in the various areas that are out there such as

healthcare VS security. It's impossible for one legislator to know all

of the areas they have to deal with. When you contact your legislator

ask if they have a health policy advisor or aide and speak with them,

ask if the legislator can be present too, but not a necessity. I've

been asked specific questions from the health policy advisor about

topics such as concurrent therapy, group therapy, for profit VS not-for

profit organizations, medical home models and various other general

healthcare topics not just specific to therapy. Do your best to keep on

your specific area, be prepared to discuss areas that are impacted by

PT, and most of all don't guess at an answer to a question they ask. If

you don't know, then let them know that and that you can get back with

them when you have an answer.

Good luck,

cm

>>> 02/11/10 2:51 PM >>>

Hey Jim,

Excellent post. kept me awake all the way through. If enough of us

post

to our elected reps and senators maybe somebody will reinforce the idea

that the bills currently being proposed do NOT cover areas that need to

be

addressed.

A. Towne, PT

In a message dated 2/11/2010 2:01:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

JHall49629@... writes:

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse,

having to

call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If

a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have

to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare

and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation

was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like

CMS (Center

for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor),

rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security

Act of

1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she

wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a

contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I

have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I

wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to

read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether

you

get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services,

but

the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether

you

did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that

patient. Is

this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this

question

as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research).

The 4 are as follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded prog

ram with State matching funds

required)

3. Champus/Tricare 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I

believe

this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you

would

like to read up on it:

_http://www.dol.http://wwhttp://www.dhttp://www.dol.http_

(http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm)

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their

state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some

modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year,

our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if

they

chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the

other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will

correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed

geographic reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee

Schedule).

Everyone has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't

understand the

why of something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't

like

something in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it

and

move on/change their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the

other 3 federal programs. However, I would expect that not everyone

encounters

the other 3 programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction

(unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another

state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these

insurance companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I

would ask

all of you reading this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance

companies/beneficia1. Doe

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to

provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare

Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by

multiple Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and

Intermediaries (Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state

HCFA had at

least one r and Intermediary under contract to administer their

regulations and provide oversight of their programs. In some states,

HCFA had

multiple rs and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was

responsible for interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have

seen

consolidation of rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot

pretend

to understand HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it

had a

basis in reducing cost and providing more consistent interpretation of

the

regulations. I know the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the

MAC

for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and B).

The

result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of

the

Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals

and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Wo

rk Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know 3. Are any of my patients covered under an

out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or,

could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot

of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they

don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew

or

should have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare

provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option

(which employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push

patients

over to a catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings

account)

account. That way the insurance companies have less control and the

consumer becomes more responsible for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some

form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together

to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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There are so many things wrong with the notion that the federal government

should be managing our health care that one doesn't know where to begin.

I'll offer this as a start:

The entire idea of medical " insurance " is based on an extremely damaging

euphemism, namely that " insurance " is what we are even talking about. Insurance,

remember, is a money pool used to hedge risk by transferring that risk from one

party to a group. That is emphatically NOT what health insurance does. Health

" insurance " as currently configured pays for NON-CONTINGENT expenses. In other

words, EVERYONE is expected use it, and often. Analogous would be requiring auto

insurance to pay for tires and oil changes and broken alternators. (What then,

do you think would happen to the cost of automobiles, auto repair, the wages of

auto mechanics, and the right of every American to decide when and where to take

his car for repair?)

Unsurprisingly, providers are happy as pigs at the feed trough with the

euphemism of insurance. And why not, when that system so effectively disconnects

consumers from the responsibility of valuating the services they use? Providers

get to make their living from a system which artificially increases utilization

while simultaneously diminishing price inhibition (while patients blithely go

along, believing the lie that they are getting something for nothing)!

The result is what we have seen over the past 50 years: Medical care cost

increases at rates far higher than inflation, large per capita utilization

increases, the transfer of service valuation to corporate and government

bureaucrats, and worst of all, enormous increases in diseases that are much more

lucrative to manage than to prevent. And we want to federalize this mess? That

will only cement into place every one of those very, very negative outcomes. Not

to mention the possibilities of handing over another 20% of GDP to arguably the

worst manager in the history of mankind. If the feds do to medical care what

they did to Social Security (broke), the post office (broke), and our monetary

system (very broke) (to name just a few of our many immense federal boondoggles)

we will likely never find our way back to sanity.

Dave Milano, PT, Rehabilitation Director

Laurel Health System

________________________________

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Craig

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:12 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Insurance Reform

A word of advice regarding our legislators. Having had the pleasure of

being in DC with the APTA what I can tell you is that you are likely to

have a much more meaningful discussion with their health policy advisor

or aide. They are typically a staffer, not uncommon to be younger, but

typically more well versed depending upon your legislator. Some take

special interest in the various areas that are out there such as

healthcare VS security. It's impossible for one legislator to know all

of the areas they have to deal with. When you contact your legislator

ask if they have a health policy advisor or aide and speak with them,

ask if the legislator can be present too, but not a necessity. I've

been asked specific questions from the health policy advisor about

topics such as concurrent therapy, group therapy, for profit VS not-for

profit organizations, medical home models and various other general

healthcare topics not just specific to therapy. Do your best to keep on

your specific area, be prepared to discuss areas that are impacted by

PT, and most of all don't guess at an answer to a question they ask. If

you don't know, then let them know that and that you can get back with

them when you have an answer.

Good luck,

cm

>>> <PATowne@...<mailto:PATowne%40aol.com>> 02/11/10 2:51 PM >>>

Hey Jim,

Excellent post. kept me awake all the way through. If enough of us

post

to our elected reps and senators maybe somebody will reinforce the idea

that the bills currently being proposed do NOT cover areas that need to

be

addressed.

A. Towne, PT

In a message dated 2/11/2010 2:01:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

JHall49629@...<mailto:JHall49629%40aol.com> writes:

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse,

having to

call penalties based upon where the player's out of season residence

is. If

a player's off season residence is California, the referee would have

to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in

Tennessee, then..., you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare

and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind...

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation

was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like

CMS (Center

for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor),

rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security

Act of

1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she

wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a

contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I

have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I

wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to

read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether

you

get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services,

but

the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether

you

did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that

patient. Is

this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this

question

as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research).

The 4 are as follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded prog

ram with State matching funds

required)

3. Champus/Tricare 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I

believe

this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you

would

like to read up on it:

_http://www.dol.http://wwhttp://www.dhttp://www.dol.http_<http://www.dol.http:/w\

whttp:/www.dhttp:/www.dol.http_>

(http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm)

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their

state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some

modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year,

our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if

they

chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the

other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will

correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed

geographic reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee

Schedule).

Everyone has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't

understand the

why of something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't

like

something in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it

and

move on/change their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the

other 3 federal programs. However, I would expect that not everyone

encounters

the other 3 programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction

(unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another

state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these

insurance companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I

would ask

all of you reading this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance

companies/beneficia1. Doe

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to

provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare

Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by

multiple Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and

Intermediaries (Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state

HCFA had at

least one r and Intermediary under contract to administer their

regulations and provide oversight of their programs. In some states,

HCFA had

multiple rs and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was

responsible for interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have

seen

consolidation of rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot

pretend

to understand HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it

had a

basis in reducing cost and providing more consistent interpretation of

the

regulations. I know the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the

MAC

for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and B).

The

result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of

the

Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals

and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Wo

rk Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know 3. Are any of my patients covered under an

out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or,

could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot

of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they

don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew

or

should have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare

provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option

(which employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push

patients

over to a catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings

account)

account. That way the insurance companies have less control and the

consumer becomes more responsible for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some

form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together

to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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There are so many things wrong with the notion that the federal government

should be managing our health care that one doesn't know where to begin.

I'll offer this as a start:

The entire idea of medical " insurance " is based on an extremely damaging

euphemism, namely that " insurance " is what we are even talking about. Insurance,

remember, is a money pool used to hedge risk by transferring that risk from one

party to a group. That is emphatically NOT what health insurance does. Health

" insurance " as currently configured pays for NON-CONTINGENT expenses. In other

words, EVERYONE is expected use it, and often. Analogous would be requiring auto

insurance to pay for tires and oil changes and broken alternators. (What then,

do you think would happen to the cost of automobiles, auto repair, the wages of

auto mechanics, and the right of every American to decide when and where to take

his car for repair?)

Unsurprisingly, providers are happy as pigs at the feed trough with the

euphemism of insurance. And why not, when that system so effectively disconnects

consumers from the responsibility of valuating the services they use? Providers

get to make their living from a system which artificially increases utilization

while simultaneously diminishing price inhibition (while patients blithely go

along, believing the lie that they are getting something for nothing)!

The result is what we have seen over the past 50 years: Medical care cost

increases at rates far higher than inflation, large per capita utilization

increases, the transfer of service valuation to corporate and government

bureaucrats, and worst of all, enormous increases in diseases that are much more

lucrative to manage than to prevent. And we want to federalize this mess? That

will only cement into place every one of those very, very negative outcomes. Not

to mention the possibilities of handing over another 20% of GDP to arguably the

worst manager in the history of mankind. If the feds do to medical care what

they did to Social Security (broke), the post office (broke), and our monetary

system (very broke) (to name just a few of our many immense federal boondoggles)

we will likely never find our way back to sanity.

Dave Milano, PT, Rehabilitation Director

Laurel Health System

________________________________

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf Of

Craig

Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:12 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Insurance Reform

A word of advice regarding our legislators. Having had the pleasure of

being in DC with the APTA what I can tell you is that you are likely to

have a much more meaningful discussion with their health policy advisor

or aide. They are typically a staffer, not uncommon to be younger, but

typically more well versed depending upon your legislator. Some take

special interest in the various areas that are out there such as

healthcare VS security. It's impossible for one legislator to know all

of the areas they have to deal with. When you contact your legislator

ask if they have a health policy advisor or aide and speak with them,

ask if the legislator can be present too, but not a necessity. I've

been asked specific questions from the health policy advisor about

topics such as concurrent therapy, group therapy, for profit VS not-for

profit organizations, medical home models and various other general

healthcare topics not just specific to therapy. Do your best to keep on

your specific area, be prepared to discuss areas that are impacted by

PT, and most of all don't guess at an answer to a question they ask. If

you don't know, then let them know that and that you can get back with

them when you have an answer.

Good luck,

cm

>>> <PATowne@...<mailto:PATowne%40aol.com>> 02/11/10 2:51 PM >>>

Hey Jim,

Excellent post. kept me awake all the way through. If enough of us

post

to our elected reps and senators maybe somebody will reinforce the idea

that the bills currently being proposed do NOT cover areas that need to

be

addressed.

A. Towne, PT

In a message dated 2/11/2010 2:01:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

JHall49629@...<mailto:JHall49629%40aol.com> writes:

All

With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse,

having to

call penalties based upon where the player's out of season residence

is. If

a player's off season residence is California, the referee would have

to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in

Tennessee, then..., you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare

and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind...

I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation

was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like

CMS (Center

for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor),

rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security

Act of

1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me that she

wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a

contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I

have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I

wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to

read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether

you

get paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services,

but

the patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether

you

did it right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that

patient. Is

this right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this

question

as there are readers of PTManager posts.

Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research).

The 4 are as follows:

1. Medicare

2. Medicaid (Federally Funded prog

ram with State matching funds

required)

3. Champus/Tricare 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I

believe

this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you

would

like to read up on it:

_http://www.dol.http://wwhttp://www.dhttp://www.dol.http_<http://www.dol.http:/w\

whttp:/www.dhttp:/www.dol.http_>

(http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm)

In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their

state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some

modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year,

our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if

they

chose to.

Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the

other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will

correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed

geographic reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee

Schedule).

Everyone has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't

understand the

why of something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't

like

something in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it

and

move on/change their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the

other 3 federal programs. However, I would expect that not everyone

encounters

the other 3 programs as much as they do Medicare.

Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction

(unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another

state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these

insurance companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I

would ask

all of you reading this the following questions:

1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance

companies/beneficia1. Doe

2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to

provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare

Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by

multiple Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and

Intermediaries (Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state

HCFA had at

least one r and Intermediary under contract to administer their

regulations and provide oversight of their programs. In some states,

HCFA had

multiple rs and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was

responsible for interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have

seen

consolidation of rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot

pretend

to understand HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it

had a

basis in reducing cost and providing more consistent interpretation of

the

regulations. I know the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the

MAC

for at least 8 states (4 of which they handle both Medicare A and B).

The

result of this consolidation has been more consistent interpretation of

the

Medicare Regulations across both Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals

and

Outpatient clinics respectively)

Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Wo

rk Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know 3. Are any of my patients covered under an

out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or,

could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot

of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they

don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew

or

should have known their policy before treatment started.

I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare

provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option

(which employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push

patients

over to a catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings

account)

account. That way the insurance companies have less control and the

consumer becomes more responsible for their healthcare decisions.

If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some

form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together

to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

Jim Hall, CPA <///><

General Manager

Rehab Management Services, LLC

Cedar Rapids, IA

319/892-0142

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Wow Jim. I like what you have to say. I think you should run for Senate. I

hear Chuck Grassley is up in 2011.

Despite the difficult CMS/Medicare regulations, they are at least consistent and

my staff knows what to do. They educate the public and I can actually speak to

someone regarding the interpretation of the regulations.

Conversely, we recently have been having trouble with an insurance from Alabama

that seems to shift policies like sand at the beach.

I would love to see even half of what you support, but I really do not see it

happening. Health care corporations have defeated reform again and again. Any

corporation resists regulation and they have the capital to fund full time

people to lobby for their interests. The rest of us barely have time to become

informed and establish an opinion, never mind contacting our reps with our

thoughts.

The Clinton's plan failed miserably after support turned against them with

Harold and Louise. It looks like even the current modest reform is about to go

down in flames. Public support turns on a dime like the changes in the wind.

I live in Massachusetts, where most people have been satisfied with our version

of universal coverage. We even elected the president by a big margin in 2008.

A big part of that win was attributed to his plan for health care. My peers

were exited at the thought of any change in the current system. Somehow with

all the political advertising that bombarded our state last month, we elected a

senator with the sole purpose of stopping health care reform. People who I

would have thought were well informed told me that they did not want this health

care bill to pass, because they didn't want to subsidize the health care of

other states, or it was too expensive. Despite both statements having some

truth to it, we currently do subsidize other's health care (via the government,

or our own insurances). And healthcare costs are expensive and have been rising

ahead of inflation. It looks like the outcome may to do nothing, and allow the

current situation to get further out of hand.

I had believed a well educated state wouldn't be duped by a barrage of negative

advertising, but we were. The mantra was said again and again that " the

majority of the American public was against the current health care bill (53%)

and you should be against it too. " I liked the Kaiser survey that showed that

once the public was informed about what the bill contained, 73% of the public

supported it

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/most_people_support_the_health_care_bill_\

once_they_learn_whats_in_it.

I agree, our only chance is to contact our reps and let them know how we feel.

I will forward your thoughts to our senior senator here. We can all do the same

in our own states. Keep your representative's # into your cell phone and use

it: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

It is relatively easy to call on your cell on the way home and let your rep know

your opinions.

Further, talk about your opinions to the people that you know. I head a lot of

people repeating the soundbites from Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly & our local

versions of the same on AM radio shouting shows. Just a short conversation can

sway opinion.

I wish us all the best of luck for a better health care system.

von Lossnitzer, PT

Manager of Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation

Jaques Hospital

Newburyport, Massachusetts

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me

with a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing

insurance regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important.

I wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get

paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the

patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it

right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this

right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this question as there

are readers of PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The

4 are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose

to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4

of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation

has been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what

is their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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Great post Jim, I would like to comment on this portion

" For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and

how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? "

In my opinion, this is wrong, and until we get some federalization or other

standardization/transparency as to what an individual patient's insurance

contract allows I think it behooves us as a profession to take this power away

from the insurance company. We are the professional, we, in consultation with

the patient, and directed by our experience and the scientific evidence, should

be the ones dictating what it is that we do and how we do it. The marketplace

should determine how much we get paid for it. How do we accomplish this? We

refuse to contract with insurance companies, we do what we do and we make the

patient responsible for the payment. I think it is only when the providers

remove themselves from this battle with the insurance agencies that we see the

insured begin to revolt and demand better from the companies that they send so

much money to.

Sincerely,

E. s, PT, DPT

Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

www.douglasspt.com

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>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me

with a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing

insurance regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important.

I wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get

paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the

patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it

right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this

right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this question as there

are readers of PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The

4 are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose

to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4

of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation

has been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what

is their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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Great post Jim, I would like to comment on this portion

" For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and

how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? "

In my opinion, this is wrong, and until we get some federalization or other

standardization/transparency as to what an individual patient's insurance

contract allows I think it behooves us as a profession to take this power away

from the insurance company. We are the professional, we, in consultation with

the patient, and directed by our experience and the scientific evidence, should

be the ones dictating what it is that we do and how we do it. The marketplace

should determine how much we get paid for it. How do we accomplish this? We

refuse to contract with insurance companies, we do what we do and we make the

patient responsible for the payment. I think it is only when the providers

remove themselves from this battle with the insurance agencies that we see the

insured begin to revolt and demand better from the companies that they send so

much money to.

Sincerely,

E. s, PT, DPT

Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

www.douglasspt.com

:

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me

with a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing

insurance regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important.

I wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get

paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the

patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it

right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this

right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this question as there

are readers of PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The

4 are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose

to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4

of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation

has been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what

is their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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Great post Jim, I would like to comment on this portion

" For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and

how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? "

In my opinion, this is wrong, and until we get some federalization or other

standardization/transparency as to what an individual patient's insurance

contract allows I think it behooves us as a profession to take this power away

from the insurance company. We are the professional, we, in consultation with

the patient, and directed by our experience and the scientific evidence, should

be the ones dictating what it is that we do and how we do it. The marketplace

should determine how much we get paid for it. How do we accomplish this? We

refuse to contract with insurance companies, we do what we do and we make the

patient responsible for the payment. I think it is only when the providers

remove themselves from this battle with the insurance agencies that we see the

insured begin to revolt and demand better from the companies that they send so

much money to.

Sincerely,

E. s, PT, DPT

Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

www.douglasspt.com

:

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to call

penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me

with a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement

issues and I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing

insurance regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not

think I am doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important.

I wish every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read

this post. For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get

paid and how much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the

patient's insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it

right and how much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this

right or wrong? I think there are as many opinions on this question as there

are readers of PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The

4 are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications.

Each year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our

Insurance Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose

to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know

the WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4

of which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation

has been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what

is their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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V

Thank you for your response. Before I add something that happened just

yesterday, I want to go back to Mr. Laurel's post and clarify something.

Healthcare reform (like Insurance Reform that I am proposing) is a loaded issue.

If insurance reform were to start today, I would expect it to take years to

decades to get to a final product. Heck, healthcare for all was proposed back

in the 60's by Kennedy & others and we still aren't anywhere close to getting

there. But my point for Dave is that I am looking to start with a common

policy. I am not looking for a Federal Insurance company. I am advocating some

standards that everyone could agree upon. I don't expect to ever see 100% of us

behind such a policy, but we should be able to agree on certain standards for

individuals that have healthcare coverage. The reason I propose this be at the

federal level is because we have 50 states, hundreds of insurers in each state

and thousands (my guess) of different medical policies. All of these insurers

(with the exception of the 4 I listed in my original post) are regulated by

state law. And in many instances, state law doesn't have enough regulations

aimed at medical policy established by insurance companies. There is very

little common ground and enforcement is lax (my opinion). Please keep reading

for my medical policy illustration.

In the past week or two, I have had an opportunity to file a couple of

complaints on my client's behalf to the insurance commissions in their states.

In one case, a patient in Tennessee was treated back in the summer of 2008 and

my client received payment on about 2/3's of their services. The remainder was

initially denied because the services were not authorized. So, in the fall of

2008, the client forwarded the retro authorization from the case manager. A

couple of months later we called to check status of claim and a second denial

ensued. This one was for medical necessity. Medical records were retrieved, an

appeal letter was written and back everything went. A couple more months went

by and we contacted the insurance carrier. They didn't have the records, so we

sent them again via US Postal return receipt requested. Since September or

October, this issue has been buried in medical review. So I wrote a letter of

complaint to the insurance commission and attached documentation. Yesterday I

finally caught up with the gentlemen handling the complaint for Tennessee

Insurance Commission. Since the patient was under a BCBS plan, his first

question was, " is the patient covered by BCBS of Tennessee or, is BCBS of

Tennessee acting as a TPA-third party administrator? " For those of you that

aren't involved in the financial side of healthcare, BCBS falls within State

Insurance Regulations, TPA's do not (TPA's administrate insurance plans on

behalf of employers that self fund their insurance plans; and are subject to

ERISA laws). So I spent another 1/2 hour on the phone working through BCBS of

Tennessee's automated response system waiting for an opportunity to speak to a

human that could help me. Once I got through, I was able to find out that this

patient was indeed covered under a BCBS plan, although her BCBS plan was not a

Tennessee plan, it was handled by Empire BCBS of NY. He also told me that on

2/2/10, Empire requested an original copy of our claim (so naturally, a decision

is now imminent-sarcasm intended).

So I phoned the Tennessee Insurance commission once again to report that it was

a BCBS plan, not a TPA. I also informed the Commission's representative that

the policy was under Empire BCBS of NY. His next question was whether or not

the patient was a resident of Tennessee (she is). Then he wondered why her

policy was through an out of state BCBS plan. I explained that her employer

probably had corporate offices in the State of NY and therefore, opted for

employee coverage through them. At this point he explained that since it was an

Empire BCBS plan of NY, the State of Tennessee did not have jurisdiction on this

issue. However, since the patient lives in Tennessee, he was gracious enough to

state that he would file a complaint on behalf of the patient to the NY State

Insurance Commission.

Okay, let me get back to my federal policy argument. Could we find some

commonality in things and set some federal regulations?

How about the following issues:

1. Could we come up with a statute of limitations for filing claims?

2. Could we agree on how quickly an insurance company would have to process and

pay a clean claim?

3. Could we agree that all insurance companies should have full disclosure of

why a claim is denied on the initial claim filing (the above claim was denied

because services went beyond the authorized time limit. Clinic then received

retro authorization of services and we refiled the claim. Then claim was denied

because it wasn't medically necessary. How about complete disclosure on the

first claim)?

I could go on, but I think all of us could figure out some common ground and

work on this list. Don't think that the federal movement hasn't already

started. What do you think HIPAA is all about? And it is still undergoing

refinement. NPI numbers were issued to set up standard provider numbers (much

like social security numbers and employer identification numbers). And how have

insurance companies responded to this? Many are still requiring their old

provider numbers in addition to the NPI numbers. Because states haven't

mandated their usage. Right now everyone has their own rule book and they are

playing by it. I don't know about all of you, but I don't have enough time in

the day to read every insurance company's policy and procedure manual. And yes,

we could continue to say the patient's need to take responsibility for their own

healthcare (and they do). Before you do this, ask yourself whether you know

what your insurance healthplan covers for you. I know that there are plenty of

people out there that go home at night and read their employer's insurance

coverage manual because that is important to them. I believe the rest of us

handle our healthcare the same way we handled walking through our first cow

pasture (even though I grew up in Iowa, I had to learn the hard way which fields

were cow pastures). The first clue that you are walking through a cow pasture

is that smell. But you really don't know to watch your step until you've

stepped in it for the first time. And I believe the majority of us " step " in

our insurance coverage. We don't know what we have until we need it. Then over

the years we build up a foundation of understanding and begin watching out for

certain things that are important to us.

So, how important is it to you to reign in on your time and company expenses?

One way to reduce costs would be to drive for a national standard that everyone

could easily find and read..., instead of " stepping " in each insurance company's

policies.

Jim <///><

Re: Insurance Reform

Wow Jim. I like what you have to say. I think you should run for Senate. I hear

Chuck Grassley is up in 2011.

Despite the difficult CMS/Medicare regulations, they are at least consistent and

my staff knows what to do. They educate the public and I can actually speak to

someone regarding the interpretation of the regulations.

Conversely, we recently have been having trouble with an insurance from Alabama

that seems to shift policies like sand at the beach.

I would love to see even half of what you support, but I really do not see it

happening. Health care corporations have defeated reform again and again. Any

corporation resists regulation and they have the capital to fund full time

people to lobby for their interests. The rest of us barely have time to become

informed and establish an opinion, never mind contacting our reps with our

thoughts.

The Clinton's plan failed miserably after support turned against them with

Harold and Louise. It looks like even the current modest reform is about to go

down in flames. Public support turns on a dime like the changes in the wind.

I live in Massachusetts, where most people have been satisfied with our version

of universal coverage. We even elected the president by a big margin in 2008. A

big part of that win was attributed to his plan for health care. My peers were

exited at the thought of any change in the current system. Somehow with all the

political advertising that bombarded our state last month, we elected a senator

with the sole purpose of stopping health care reform. People who I would have

thought were well informed told me that they did not want this health care bill

to pass, because they didn't want to subsidize the health care of other states,

or it was too expensive. Despite both statements having some truth to it, we

currently do subsidize other's health care (via the government, or our own

insurances). And healthcare costs are expensive and have been rising ahead of

inflation. It looks like the outcome may to do nothing, and allow the current

situation to get further out of hand.

I had believed a well educated state wouldn't be duped by a barrage of negative

advertising, but we were. The mantra was said again and again that " the majority

of the American public was against the current health care bill (53%) and you

should be against it too. " I liked the Kaiser survey that showed that once the

public was informed about what the bill contained, 73% of the public supported

it

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/most_people_support_the_health_care_bill_\

once_they_learn_whats_in_it.

I agree, our only chance is to contact our reps and let them know how we feel. I

will forward your thoughts to our senior senator here. We can all do the same in

our own states. Keep your representative's # into your cell phone and use it:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

It is relatively easy to call on your cell on the way home and let your rep know

your opinions.

Further, talk about your opinions to the people that you know. I head a lot of

people repeating the soundbites from Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly & our local

versions of the same on AM radio shouting shows. Just a short conversation can

sway opinion.

I wish us all the best of luck for a better health care system.

von Lossnitzer, PT

Manager of Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation

Jaques Hospital

Newburyport, Massachusetts

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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Thank you for your response. Before I add something that happened just

yesterday, I want to go back to Mr. Laurel's post and clarify something.

Healthcare reform (like Insurance Reform that I am proposing) is a loaded issue.

If insurance reform were to start today, I would expect it to take years to

decades to get to a final product. Heck, healthcare for all was proposed back

in the 60's by Kennedy & others and we still aren't anywhere close to getting

there. But my point for Dave is that I am looking to start with a common

policy. I am not looking for a Federal Insurance company. I am advocating some

standards that everyone could agree upon. I don't expect to ever see 100% of us

behind such a policy, but we should be able to agree on certain standards for

individuals that have healthcare coverage. The reason I propose this be at the

federal level is because we have 50 states, hundreds of insurers in each state

and thousands (my guess) of different medical policies. All of these insurers

(with the exception of the 4 I listed in my original post) are regulated by

state law. And in many instances, state law doesn't have enough regulations

aimed at medical policy established by insurance companies. There is very

little common ground and enforcement is lax (my opinion). Please keep reading

for my medical policy illustration.

In the past week or two, I have had an opportunity to file a couple of

complaints on my client's behalf to the insurance commissions in their states.

In one case, a patient in Tennessee was treated back in the summer of 2008 and

my client received payment on about 2/3's of their services. The remainder was

initially denied because the services were not authorized. So, in the fall of

2008, the client forwarded the retro authorization from the case manager. A

couple of months later we called to check status of claim and a second denial

ensued. This one was for medical necessity. Medical records were retrieved, an

appeal letter was written and back everything went. A couple more months went

by and we contacted the insurance carrier. They didn't have the records, so we

sent them again via US Postal return receipt requested. Since September or

October, this issue has been buried in medical review. So I wrote a letter of

complaint to the insurance commission and attached documentation. Yesterday I

finally caught up with the gentlemen handling the complaint for Tennessee

Insurance Commission. Since the patient was under a BCBS plan, his first

question was, " is the patient covered by BCBS of Tennessee or, is BCBS of

Tennessee acting as a TPA-third party administrator? " For those of you that

aren't involved in the financial side of healthcare, BCBS falls within State

Insurance Regulations, TPA's do not (TPA's administrate insurance plans on

behalf of employers that self fund their insurance plans; and are subject to

ERISA laws). So I spent another 1/2 hour on the phone working through BCBS of

Tennessee's automated response system waiting for an opportunity to speak to a

human that could help me. Once I got through, I was able to find out that this

patient was indeed covered under a BCBS plan, although her BCBS plan was not a

Tennessee plan, it was handled by Empire BCBS of NY. He also told me that on

2/2/10, Empire requested an original copy of our claim (so naturally, a decision

is now imminent-sarcasm intended).

So I phoned the Tennessee Insurance commission once again to report that it was

a BCBS plan, not a TPA. I also informed the Commission's representative that

the policy was under Empire BCBS of NY. His next question was whether or not

the patient was a resident of Tennessee (she is). Then he wondered why her

policy was through an out of state BCBS plan. I explained that her employer

probably had corporate offices in the State of NY and therefore, opted for

employee coverage through them. At this point he explained that since it was an

Empire BCBS plan of NY, the State of Tennessee did not have jurisdiction on this

issue. However, since the patient lives in Tennessee, he was gracious enough to

state that he would file a complaint on behalf of the patient to the NY State

Insurance Commission.

Okay, let me get back to my federal policy argument. Could we find some

commonality in things and set some federal regulations?

How about the following issues:

1. Could we come up with a statute of limitations for filing claims?

2. Could we agree on how quickly an insurance company would have to process and

pay a clean claim?

3. Could we agree that all insurance companies should have full disclosure of

why a claim is denied on the initial claim filing (the above claim was denied

because services went beyond the authorized time limit. Clinic then received

retro authorization of services and we refiled the claim. Then claim was denied

because it wasn't medically necessary. How about complete disclosure on the

first claim)?

I could go on, but I think all of us could figure out some common ground and

work on this list. Don't think that the federal movement hasn't already

started. What do you think HIPAA is all about? And it is still undergoing

refinement. NPI numbers were issued to set up standard provider numbers (much

like social security numbers and employer identification numbers). And how have

insurance companies responded to this? Many are still requiring their old

provider numbers in addition to the NPI numbers. Because states haven't

mandated their usage. Right now everyone has their own rule book and they are

playing by it. I don't know about all of you, but I don't have enough time in

the day to read every insurance company's policy and procedure manual. And yes,

we could continue to say the patient's need to take responsibility for their own

healthcare (and they do). Before you do this, ask yourself whether you know

what your insurance healthplan covers for you. I know that there are plenty of

people out there that go home at night and read their employer's insurance

coverage manual because that is important to them. I believe the rest of us

handle our healthcare the same way we handled walking through our first cow

pasture (even though I grew up in Iowa, I had to learn the hard way which fields

were cow pastures). The first clue that you are walking through a cow pasture

is that smell. But you really don't know to watch your step until you've

stepped in it for the first time. And I believe the majority of us " step " in

our insurance coverage. We don't know what we have until we need it. Then over

the years we build up a foundation of understanding and begin watching out for

certain things that are important to us.

So, how important is it to you to reign in on your time and company expenses?

One way to reduce costs would be to drive for a national standard that everyone

could easily find and read..., instead of " stepping " in each insurance company's

policies.

Jim <///><

Re: Insurance Reform

Wow Jim. I like what you have to say. I think you should run for Senate. I hear

Chuck Grassley is up in 2011.

Despite the difficult CMS/Medicare regulations, they are at least consistent and

my staff knows what to do. They educate the public and I can actually speak to

someone regarding the interpretation of the regulations.

Conversely, we recently have been having trouble with an insurance from Alabama

that seems to shift policies like sand at the beach.

I would love to see even half of what you support, but I really do not see it

happening. Health care corporations have defeated reform again and again. Any

corporation resists regulation and they have the capital to fund full time

people to lobby for their interests. The rest of us barely have time to become

informed and establish an opinion, never mind contacting our reps with our

thoughts.

The Clinton's plan failed miserably after support turned against them with

Harold and Louise. It looks like even the current modest reform is about to go

down in flames. Public support turns on a dime like the changes in the wind.

I live in Massachusetts, where most people have been satisfied with our version

of universal coverage. We even elected the president by a big margin in 2008. A

big part of that win was attributed to his plan for health care. My peers were

exited at the thought of any change in the current system. Somehow with all the

political advertising that bombarded our state last month, we elected a senator

with the sole purpose of stopping health care reform. People who I would have

thought were well informed told me that they did not want this health care bill

to pass, because they didn't want to subsidize the health care of other states,

or it was too expensive. Despite both statements having some truth to it, we

currently do subsidize other's health care (via the government, or our own

insurances). And healthcare costs are expensive and have been rising ahead of

inflation. It looks like the outcome may to do nothing, and allow the current

situation to get further out of hand.

I had believed a well educated state wouldn't be duped by a barrage of negative

advertising, but we were. The mantra was said again and again that " the majority

of the American public was against the current health care bill (53%) and you

should be against it too. " I liked the Kaiser survey that showed that once the

public was informed about what the bill contained, 73% of the public supported

it

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/most_people_support_the_health_care_bill_\

once_they_learn_whats_in_it.

I agree, our only chance is to contact our reps and let them know how we feel. I

will forward your thoughts to our senior senator here. We can all do the same in

our own states. Keep your representative's # into your cell phone and use it:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

It is relatively easy to call on your cell on the way home and let your rep know

your opinions.

Further, talk about your opinions to the people that you know. I head a lot of

people repeating the soundbites from Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly & our local

versions of the same on AM radio shouting shows. Just a short conversation can

sway opinion.

I wish us all the best of luck for a better health care system.

von Lossnitzer, PT

Manager of Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation

Jaques Hospital

Newburyport, Massachusetts

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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Thank you for your response. Before I add something that happened just

yesterday, I want to go back to Mr. Laurel's post and clarify something.

Healthcare reform (like Insurance Reform that I am proposing) is a loaded issue.

If insurance reform were to start today, I would expect it to take years to

decades to get to a final product. Heck, healthcare for all was proposed back

in the 60's by Kennedy & others and we still aren't anywhere close to getting

there. But my point for Dave is that I am looking to start with a common

policy. I am not looking for a Federal Insurance company. I am advocating some

standards that everyone could agree upon. I don't expect to ever see 100% of us

behind such a policy, but we should be able to agree on certain standards for

individuals that have healthcare coverage. The reason I propose this be at the

federal level is because we have 50 states, hundreds of insurers in each state

and thousands (my guess) of different medical policies. All of these insurers

(with the exception of the 4 I listed in my original post) are regulated by

state law. And in many instances, state law doesn't have enough regulations

aimed at medical policy established by insurance companies. There is very

little common ground and enforcement is lax (my opinion). Please keep reading

for my medical policy illustration.

In the past week or two, I have had an opportunity to file a couple of

complaints on my client's behalf to the insurance commissions in their states.

In one case, a patient in Tennessee was treated back in the summer of 2008 and

my client received payment on about 2/3's of their services. The remainder was

initially denied because the services were not authorized. So, in the fall of

2008, the client forwarded the retro authorization from the case manager. A

couple of months later we called to check status of claim and a second denial

ensued. This one was for medical necessity. Medical records were retrieved, an

appeal letter was written and back everything went. A couple more months went

by and we contacted the insurance carrier. They didn't have the records, so we

sent them again via US Postal return receipt requested. Since September or

October, this issue has been buried in medical review. So I wrote a letter of

complaint to the insurance commission and attached documentation. Yesterday I

finally caught up with the gentlemen handling the complaint for Tennessee

Insurance Commission. Since the patient was under a BCBS plan, his first

question was, " is the patient covered by BCBS of Tennessee or, is BCBS of

Tennessee acting as a TPA-third party administrator? " For those of you that

aren't involved in the financial side of healthcare, BCBS falls within State

Insurance Regulations, TPA's do not (TPA's administrate insurance plans on

behalf of employers that self fund their insurance plans; and are subject to

ERISA laws). So I spent another 1/2 hour on the phone working through BCBS of

Tennessee's automated response system waiting for an opportunity to speak to a

human that could help me. Once I got through, I was able to find out that this

patient was indeed covered under a BCBS plan, although her BCBS plan was not a

Tennessee plan, it was handled by Empire BCBS of NY. He also told me that on

2/2/10, Empire requested an original copy of our claim (so naturally, a decision

is now imminent-sarcasm intended).

So I phoned the Tennessee Insurance commission once again to report that it was

a BCBS plan, not a TPA. I also informed the Commission's representative that

the policy was under Empire BCBS of NY. His next question was whether or not

the patient was a resident of Tennessee (she is). Then he wondered why her

policy was through an out of state BCBS plan. I explained that her employer

probably had corporate offices in the State of NY and therefore, opted for

employee coverage through them. At this point he explained that since it was an

Empire BCBS plan of NY, the State of Tennessee did not have jurisdiction on this

issue. However, since the patient lives in Tennessee, he was gracious enough to

state that he would file a complaint on behalf of the patient to the NY State

Insurance Commission.

Okay, let me get back to my federal policy argument. Could we find some

commonality in things and set some federal regulations?

How about the following issues:

1. Could we come up with a statute of limitations for filing claims?

2. Could we agree on how quickly an insurance company would have to process and

pay a clean claim?

3. Could we agree that all insurance companies should have full disclosure of

why a claim is denied on the initial claim filing (the above claim was denied

because services went beyond the authorized time limit. Clinic then received

retro authorization of services and we refiled the claim. Then claim was denied

because it wasn't medically necessary. How about complete disclosure on the

first claim)?

I could go on, but I think all of us could figure out some common ground and

work on this list. Don't think that the federal movement hasn't already

started. What do you think HIPAA is all about? And it is still undergoing

refinement. NPI numbers were issued to set up standard provider numbers (much

like social security numbers and employer identification numbers). And how have

insurance companies responded to this? Many are still requiring their old

provider numbers in addition to the NPI numbers. Because states haven't

mandated their usage. Right now everyone has their own rule book and they are

playing by it. I don't know about all of you, but I don't have enough time in

the day to read every insurance company's policy and procedure manual. And yes,

we could continue to say the patient's need to take responsibility for their own

healthcare (and they do). Before you do this, ask yourself whether you know

what your insurance healthplan covers for you. I know that there are plenty of

people out there that go home at night and read their employer's insurance

coverage manual because that is important to them. I believe the rest of us

handle our healthcare the same way we handled walking through our first cow

pasture (even though I grew up in Iowa, I had to learn the hard way which fields

were cow pastures). The first clue that you are walking through a cow pasture

is that smell. But you really don't know to watch your step until you've

stepped in it for the first time. And I believe the majority of us " step " in

our insurance coverage. We don't know what we have until we need it. Then over

the years we build up a foundation of understanding and begin watching out for

certain things that are important to us.

So, how important is it to you to reign in on your time and company expenses?

One way to reduce costs would be to drive for a national standard that everyone

could easily find and read..., instead of " stepping " in each insurance company's

policies.

Jim <///><

Re: Insurance Reform

Wow Jim. I like what you have to say. I think you should run for Senate. I hear

Chuck Grassley is up in 2011.

Despite the difficult CMS/Medicare regulations, they are at least consistent and

my staff knows what to do. They educate the public and I can actually speak to

someone regarding the interpretation of the regulations.

Conversely, we recently have been having trouble with an insurance from Alabama

that seems to shift policies like sand at the beach.

I would love to see even half of what you support, but I really do not see it

happening. Health care corporations have defeated reform again and again. Any

corporation resists regulation and they have the capital to fund full time

people to lobby for their interests. The rest of us barely have time to become

informed and establish an opinion, never mind contacting our reps with our

thoughts.

The Clinton's plan failed miserably after support turned against them with

Harold and Louise. It looks like even the current modest reform is about to go

down in flames. Public support turns on a dime like the changes in the wind.

I live in Massachusetts, where most people have been satisfied with our version

of universal coverage. We even elected the president by a big margin in 2008. A

big part of that win was attributed to his plan for health care. My peers were

exited at the thought of any change in the current system. Somehow with all the

political advertising that bombarded our state last month, we elected a senator

with the sole purpose of stopping health care reform. People who I would have

thought were well informed told me that they did not want this health care bill

to pass, because they didn't want to subsidize the health care of other states,

or it was too expensive. Despite both statements having some truth to it, we

currently do subsidize other's health care (via the government, or our own

insurances). And healthcare costs are expensive and have been rising ahead of

inflation. It looks like the outcome may to do nothing, and allow the current

situation to get further out of hand.

I had believed a well educated state wouldn't be duped by a barrage of negative

advertising, but we were. The mantra was said again and again that " the majority

of the American public was against the current health care bill (53%) and you

should be against it too. " I liked the Kaiser survey that showed that once the

public was informed about what the bill contained, 73% of the public supported

it

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/most_people_support_the_health_care_bill_\

once_they_learn_whats_in_it.

I agree, our only chance is to contact our reps and let them know how we feel. I

will forward your thoughts to our senior senator here. We can all do the same in

our own states. Keep your representative's # into your cell phone and use it:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

It is relatively easy to call on your cell on the way home and let your rep know

your opinions.

Further, talk about your opinions to the people that you know. I head a lot of

people repeating the soundbites from Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly & our local

versions of the same on AM radio shouting shows. Just a short conversation can

sway opinion.

I wish us all the best of luck for a better health care system.

von Lossnitzer, PT

Manager of Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation

Jaques Hospital

Newburyport, Massachusetts

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

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Jim and others,

I am well aware of the inefficiencies, unfairness, and other terrible problems

associated with today’s delivery systems. But the thing is, those problems are

the direct result of “system†thinking, of attempting to apply centralized

controls to what ought to be individual decisions. I do not understand how

anyone can in good conscience support another massive central-planner type

“solution†especially when we have over and over proven ourselves incapable

of managing our plans to the good of all.

Jim says “…we should be able to agree on certain standards…†Well, we

don’t, and we shouldn’t have to. What is wrong with allowing each individual

the right to define his own needs? The right to do that is exactly what

government is supposed to protect. Instead, we seem hell-bent to make government

do the opposite: decide for everyone what their needs are, based on “certain

standards.â€

The plain reality here is that our systems give power to everyone but the

individual. admits as much when he says “We are the professional, we, in

consultation with the patient, and directed by our experience and the scientific

evidence, should be the ones dictating what it is that we do and how we do

it.†I disagree. We should dictate NOTHING. No amount of good intentions, or

smarts, or scientific evidence, or power, or “consultation†can give

anyone---not a bureaucrat or third-party business representative or

provider---the right to dictate anything.

We are a nation of individuals. We are supposedly guaranteed to act as much by

our Constitution. Yet many feel comfortable with the idea of taking someone

else’s money, and then parsing it back him if he uses it according to their

plan. Today that means, for example, no naturopathic care, no herbal remedies,

no opting out!

I want, I deserve, and I am guaranteed, the right to decide for myself how to

care for myself. I believe, strongly, that if all the central planners would get

out of the way we would have reasonably priced, effective, wide-open options for

health care, naturally, because individuals will make it so.

Dave Milano, PT, Rehabilitation Director

Laurel Health System

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Subject: Re: Re: Insurance Reform

V

Thank you for your response. Before I add something that happened just

yesterday, I want to go back to Mr. Laurel's post and clarify something.

Healthcare reform (like Insurance Reform that I am proposing) is a loaded issue.

If insurance reform were to start today, I would expect it to take years to

decades to get to a final product. Heck, healthcare for all was proposed back in

the 60's by Kennedy & others and we still aren't anywhere close to getting

there. But my point for Dave is that I am looking to start with a common policy.

I am not looking for a Federal Insurance company. I am advocating some standards

that everyone could agree upon. I don't expect to ever see 100% of us behind

such a policy, but we should be able to agree on certain standards for

individuals that have healthcare coverage. The reason I propose this be at the

federal level is because we have 50 states, hundreds of insurers in each state

and thousands (my guess) of different medical policies. All of these insurers

(with the exception of the 4 I listed in my original post) are regulated by

state law. And in many instances, state law doesn't have enough regulations

aimed at medical policy established by insurance companies. There is very little

common ground and enforcement is lax (my opinion). Please keep reading for my

medical policy illustration.

In the past week or two, I have had an opportunity to file a couple of

complaints on my client's behalf to the insurance commissions in their states.

In one case, a patient in Tennessee was treated back in the summer of 2008 and

my client received payment on about 2/3's of their services. The remainder was

initially denied because the services were not authorized. So, in the fall of

2008, the client forwarded the retro authorization from the case manager. A

couple of months later we called to check status of claim and a second denial

ensued. This one was for medical necessity. Medical records were retrieved, an

appeal letter was written and back everything went. A couple more months went by

and we contacted the insurance carrier. They didn't have the records, so we sent

them again via US Postal return receipt requested. Since September or October,

this issue has been buried in medical review. So I wrote a letter of complaint

to the insurance commission and attached documentation. Yesterday I finally

caught up with the gentlemen handling the complaint for Tennessee Insurance

Commission. Since the patient was under a BCBS plan, his first question was, " is

the patient covered by BCBS of Tennessee or, is BCBS of Tennessee acting as a

TPA-third party administrator? " For those of you that aren't involved in the

financial side of healthcare, BCBS falls within State Insurance Regulations,

TPA's do not (TPA's administrate insurance plans on behalf of employers that

self fund their insurance plans; and are subject to ERISA laws). So I spent

another 1/2 hour on the phone working through BCBS of Tennessee's automated

response system waiting for an opportunity to speak to a human that could help

me. Once I got through, I was able to find out that this patient was indeed

covered under a BCBS plan, although her BCBS plan was not a Tennessee plan, it

was handled by Empire BCBS of NY. He also told me that on 2/2/10, Empire

requested an original copy of our claim (so naturally, a decision is now

imminent-sarcasm intended).

So I phoned the Tennessee Insurance commission once again to report that it was

a BCBS plan, not a TPA. I also informed the Commission's representative that the

policy was under Empire BCBS of NY. His next question was whether or not the

patient was a resident of Tennessee (she is). Then he wondered why her policy

was through an out of state BCBS plan. I explained that her employer probably

had corporate offices in the State of NY and therefore, opted for employee

coverage through them. At this point he explained that since it was an Empire

BCBS plan of NY, the State of Tennessee did not have jurisdiction on this issue.

However, since the patient lives in Tennessee, he was gracious enough to state

that he would file a complaint on behalf of the patient to the NY State

Insurance Commission.

Okay, let me get back to my federal policy argument. Could we find some

commonality in things and set some federal regulations?

How about the following issues:

1. Could we come up with a statute of limitations for filing claims?

2. Could we agree on how quickly an insurance company would have to process and

pay a clean claim?

3. Could we agree that all insurance companies should have full disclosure of

why a claim is denied on the initial claim filing (the above claim was denied

because services went beyond the authorized time limit. Clinic then received

retro authorization of services and we refiled the claim. Then claim was denied

because it wasn't medically necessary. How about complete disclosure on the

first claim)?

I could go on, but I think all of us could figure out some common ground and

work on this list. Don't think that the federal movement hasn't already started.

What do you think HIPAA is all about? And it is still undergoing refinement. NPI

numbers were issued to set up standard provider numbers (much like social

security numbers and employer identification numbers). And how have insurance

companies responded to this? Many are still requiring their old provider numbers

in addition to the NPI numbers. Because states haven't mandated their usage.

Right now everyone has their own rule book and they are playing by it. I don't

know about all of you, but I don't have enough time in the day to read every

insurance company's policy and procedure manual. And yes, we could continue to

say the patient's need to take responsibility for their own healthcare (and they

do). Before you do this, ask yourself whether you know what your insurance

healthplan covers for you. I know that there are plenty of people out there that

go home at night and read their employer's insurance coverage manual because

that is important to them. I believe the rest of us handle our healthcare the

same way we handled walking through our first cow pasture (even though I grew up

in Iowa, I had to learn the hard way which fields were cow pastures). The first

clue that you are walking through a cow pasture is that smell. But you really

don't know to watch your step until you've stepped in it for the first time. And

I believe the majority of us " step " in our insurance coverage. We don't know

what we have until we need it. Then over the years we build up a foundation of

understanding and begin watching out for certain things that are important to

us.

So, how important is it to you to reign in on your time and company expenses?

One way to reduce costs would be to drive for a national standard that everyone

could easily find and read..., instead of " stepping " in each insurance company's

policies.

Jim <///><

Re: Insurance Reform

Wow Jim. I like what you have to say. I think you should run for Senate. I hear

Chuck Grassley is up in 2011.

Despite the difficult CMS/Medicare regulations, they are at least consistent and

my staff knows what to do. They educate the public and I can actually speak to

someone regarding the interpretation of the regulations.

Conversely, we recently have been having trouble with an insurance from Alabama

that seems to shift policies like sand at the beach.

I would love to see even half of what you support, but I really do not see it

happening. Health care corporations have defeated reform again and again. Any

corporation resists regulation and they have the capital to fund full time

people to lobby for their interests. The rest of us barely have time to become

informed and establish an opinion, never mind contacting our reps with our

thoughts.

The Clinton's plan failed miserably after support turned against them with

Harold and Louise. It looks like even the current modest reform is about to go

down in flames. Public support turns on a dime like the changes in the wind.

I live in Massachusetts, where most people have been satisfied with our version

of universal coverage. We even elected the president by a big margin in 2008. A

big part of that win was attributed to his plan for health care. My peers were

exited at the thought of any change in the current system. Somehow with all the

political advertising that bombarded our state last month, we elected a senator

with the sole purpose of stopping health care reform. People who I would have

thought were well informed told me that they did not want this health care bill

to pass, because they didn't want to subsidize the health care of other states,

or it was too expensive. Despite both statements having some truth to it, we

currently do subsidize other's health care (via the government, or our own

insurances). And healthcare costs are expensive and have been rising ahead of

inflation. It looks like the outcome may to do nothing, and allow the current

situation to get further out of hand.

I had believed a well educated state wouldn't be duped by a barrage of negative

advertising, but we were. The mantra was said again and again that " the majority

of the American public was against the current health care bill (53%) and you

should be against it too. " I liked the Kaiser survey that showed that once the

public was informed about what the bill contained, 73% of the public supported

it

http://healthcare.change.org/blog/view/most_people_support_the_health_care_bill_\

once_they_learn_whats_in_it.

I agree, our only chance is to contact our reps and let them know how we feel. I

will forward your thoughts to our senior senator here. We can all do the same in

our own states. Keep your representative's # into your cell phone and use it:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

It is relatively easy to call on your cell on the way home and let your rep know

your opinions.

Further, talk about your opinions to the people that you know. I head a lot of

people repeating the soundbites from Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly & our local

versions of the same on AM radio shouting shows. Just a short conversation can

sway opinion.

I wish us all the best of luck for a better health care system.

von Lossnitzer, PT

Manager of Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation

Jaques Hospital

Newburyport, Massachusetts

>

>

> All

>

> With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling penalties

based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having to call

penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence is. If a

player’s off season residence is California, the referee would have to

call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player resided in

Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the nightmare and

headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in mind…

>

> I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

>

> Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

>

> 1. Medicare

> 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

>

> http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

>

> In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

>

> Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same statements

that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3 Federal

Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct me).

Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

>

> Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than the

ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

>

> 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if they

don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their medical

policy available to you?

> 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide the

appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

>

> In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has been

undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

>

> Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

>

> 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident from

out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so, what is

their medical policy?

> 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

>

> These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

>

> I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit the

numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time and

money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which employers

seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a catastrophic

policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account. That way the

insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more responsible

for their healthcare decisions.

>

> If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

>

> Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> General Manager

> Rehab Management Services, LLC

> Cedar Rapids, IA

> 319/892-0142

>

>

>

>

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Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of conveying

a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of a cost

conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen in many

clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not most

Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap so

they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the public's

perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay out of

pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent evidence

seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical therapy

services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mind…

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol. <http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>

gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time

and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of conveying

a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of a cost

conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen in many

clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not most

Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap so

they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the public's

perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay out of

pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent evidence

seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical therapy

services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mind…

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol. <http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>

gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time

and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of conveying

a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of a cost

conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen in many

clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not most

Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap so

they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the public's

perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay out of

pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent evidence

seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical therapy

services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mind…

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol. <http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>

gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time

and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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You make a lot of sense Jon Mark. I've heard all sides of this debate and yours

is the reality. Chiropractors fought hard to get covered by insurance and now

that they are, what is covered is greatly limited. BUT, since insurance now

pays for the DC, they have a very difficult time getting anyone to pay cash

anymore, because, like PT, they expect insurance to cover it.

A similar type of story comes from states that fought to gain direct access only

to be cut to the quick to avoid overutilization; few visits allowed and minimal

reimbursement. Obviously a different situation but still, sometimes we have to

be careful what we wish for. Food for thought. Doug

Doug Sparks

Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC

www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/>

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Re: Insurance Reform

Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of

conveying a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of

a cost conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen

in many clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not

most Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap

so they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the

public's perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay

out of pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent

evidence seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical

therapy services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the playerââ,¬â " ¢s out of season residence

is. If a playerââ,¬â " ¢s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, thenââ,¬Â¦, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mindââ,¬Â¦

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research). The 4 are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds

required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe

this covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol<http://www.dol/>.

<http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm<http://www.dol.gov/ebs\

a/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>> gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance

companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of

you reading this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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You make a lot of sense Jon Mark. I've heard all sides of this debate and yours

is the reality. Chiropractors fought hard to get covered by insurance and now

that they are, what is covered is greatly limited. BUT, since insurance now

pays for the DC, they have a very difficult time getting anyone to pay cash

anymore, because, like PT, they expect insurance to cover it.

A similar type of story comes from states that fought to gain direct access only

to be cut to the quick to avoid overutilization; few visits allowed and minimal

reimbursement. Obviously a different situation but still, sometimes we have to

be careful what we wish for. Food for thought. Doug

Doug Sparks

Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC

www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/>

doug@...

Re: Insurance Reform

Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of

conveying a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of

a cost conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen

in many clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not

most Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap

so they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the

public's perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay

out of pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent

evidence seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical

therapy services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the playerââ,¬â " ¢s out of season residence

is. If a playerââ,¬â " ¢s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, thenââ,¬Â¦, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mindââ,¬Â¦

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research). The 4 are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds

required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe

this covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol<http://www.dol/>.

<http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm<http://www.dol.gov/ebs\

a/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>> gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance

companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of

you reading this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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You make a lot of sense Jon Mark. I've heard all sides of this debate and yours

is the reality. Chiropractors fought hard to get covered by insurance and now

that they are, what is covered is greatly limited. BUT, since insurance now

pays for the DC, they have a very difficult time getting anyone to pay cash

anymore, because, like PT, they expect insurance to cover it.

A similar type of story comes from states that fought to gain direct access only

to be cut to the quick to avoid overutilization; few visits allowed and minimal

reimbursement. Obviously a different situation but still, sometimes we have to

be careful what we wish for. Food for thought. Doug

Doug Sparks

Advanced Physical Therapy Concepts / APTC

www.aptc.biz<http://www.aptc.biz/>

doug@...

Re: Insurance Reform

Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of

conveying a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of

a cost conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen

in many clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not

most Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap

so they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the

public's perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay

out of pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent

evidence seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical

therapy services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the playerââ,¬â " ¢s out of season residence

is. If a playerââ,¬â " ¢s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, thenââ,¬Â¦, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mindââ,¬Â¦

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs

establishing laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these

Federal insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to

research). The 4 are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds

required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe

this covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would

like to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol<http://www.dol/>.

<http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm<http://www.dol.gov/ebs\

a/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>> gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other

than the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an

insurance company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this

patient resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in

which case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance

companies have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of

you reading this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how

many other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they

hire staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even

limit the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider

time and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not

falling asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but

some form of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to

come up with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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This conversation is now getting down to the nitty-gritty, which is, of course,

all about pricing.

Pricing is the magic language of commerce that occurs between consumers and

producers/providers---the tangible picture of the intangible relationship

between what consumers want and what producers/providers are selling. Political

forces have caused certain of our economic economic sectors to be insulated from

meaningful pricing. Medical care is probably at the top of that list (education

and the mortgage market are two other current hot spots). The true cost of

medical care has been clouded by mandates, incentives, tax rules, and government

and private third-party participants. Each of those forces stand squarely

between the patient and the provider, interfering, or completely controlling,

that most delicate and important relationship.

When we complain that we can't get paid for this or that, we are really

complaining that someone other than the patient is acting as the customer.

Government bureaucrats, or rule-makers, or corporate lackeys---each represents a

false “customer” of sorts, and is therefore determining value in the true

customer's stead.

It is extremely frustrating for providers to deal with value-determiners who

have no personal interest in the transaction, but that is all providers will

ever get as long as our payment systems clog the patient/provider communication

arteries. The only way to fix the mess is to allow the patient to once again

become the customer. Support unencumbered health care savings accounts. Support

real, honest, patient/provider communication.

Dave Milano, PT, Rehabilitation Director

Laurel Health System

________________________________________

From: PTManager [PTManager ] On Behalf Of

jonmarkpleasant [jsppleasant@...]

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:15 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Insurance Reform

Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of conveying

a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of a cost

conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen in many

clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not most

Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap so

they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the public's

perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay out of

pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent evidence

seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical therapy

services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mind…

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol. <http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>

gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time

and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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This conversation is now getting down to the nitty-gritty, which is, of course,

all about pricing.

Pricing is the magic language of commerce that occurs between consumers and

producers/providers---the tangible picture of the intangible relationship

between what consumers want and what producers/providers are selling. Political

forces have caused certain of our economic economic sectors to be insulated from

meaningful pricing. Medical care is probably at the top of that list (education

and the mortgage market are two other current hot spots). The true cost of

medical care has been clouded by mandates, incentives, tax rules, and government

and private third-party participants. Each of those forces stand squarely

between the patient and the provider, interfering, or completely controlling,

that most delicate and important relationship.

When we complain that we can't get paid for this or that, we are really

complaining that someone other than the patient is acting as the customer.

Government bureaucrats, or rule-makers, or corporate lackeys---each represents a

false “customer” of sorts, and is therefore determining value in the true

customer's stead.

It is extremely frustrating for providers to deal with value-determiners who

have no personal interest in the transaction, but that is all providers will

ever get as long as our payment systems clog the patient/provider communication

arteries. The only way to fix the mess is to allow the patient to once again

become the customer. Support unencumbered health care savings accounts. Support

real, honest, patient/provider communication.

Dave Milano, PT, Rehabilitation Director

Laurel Health System

________________________________________

From: PTManager [PTManager ] On Behalf Of

jonmarkpleasant [jsppleasant@...]

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 6:15 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: Re: Insurance Reform

Mr. Howell,

Though I agree that we as a profession need to do a much better job of conveying

a greater sense of value for our services, I stand by my assessment of a cost

conscious consumer. My belief is based on current evidence/trends seen in many

clinics. Most Medicare beneficiaries are upset at the cap. Many if not most

Medicare patients are concerned that their therapy does not exceed the cap so

they won't have to pay out of pocket. The patient with the high $1500.00

deductible tends to request fewer visits and places a greater emphasis on a

written home exercise program. Even patients with a $30.00 copay (I've seen as

much as $50.00+ per visit) seem to be questioning " the old standard order " for

3x/wk for 4 weeks. These factual examples are why I believe our patients are

very cost consciousness.

I understand the point that insurance has played a part in limiting the public's

perception of value. In addition, I also agree that the public will pay out of

pocket IF and only IF the perceived value is there. However, recent evidence

seems to indicate that the public does not currently value physical therapy

services enough to " pay extra " for them. In short, cost IS an issue.

From a PT point of view, the idea of eliminating the difficulties related to a

third party payment system and moving towards a personal pay system has merit.

However, from a patient's point of view, exchanging their current status quo

(insurance coverage) for a personal pay system would probably be a very hard

sell.

Jon Mark Pleasant, PT

Methodist Medical Center

> > >

> > >

> > > All

> > >

> > > With last week being Super Bowl weekend, imagine referees calling

penalties based upon football rules within their given state. Or worse, having

to call penalties based upon where the player’s out of season residence

is. If a player’s off season residence is California, the referee would

have to call penalties based upon California football rules. If the player

resided in Tennessee, then…, you get the picture. Can you imagine the

nightmare and headache involved in calling a game? With that analogy in

mind…

> > >

> > > I have just spoken with a representative from one of my United States

Senator's office about Federalizing Insurance Laws. The conversation was

extremely generic, as this representative wasn't in tune with Healthcare

Providers and the issues they face. As we spoke, I used acronyms like CMS

(Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services), MAC (Medicare Administrative

Contractor), rs, Intermediaries, ERISA (Employee Retirement Income

Security Act of 1974), etc. When I finished, she was very candid and told me

that she wasn't well versed in what I was talking about. She did provide me with

a contact that is better positioned to discuss provider reimbursement issues and

I have left a message. I have been a proponent of federalizing insurance

regulations to " level the playing field " for providers. But I do not think I am

doing a good job of educating people why I believe this is important. I wish

every single person that reads PTManager would take some time to read this post.

For the most part, Insurance Reimbursement dictates whether you get paid and how

much. The patient comes in the door for your services, but the patient's

insurance company dictates what you have to do, whether you did it right and how

much you are going to get paid to treat that patient. Is this right or wrong? I

think there are as many opinions on this question as there are readers of

PTManager posts.

> > >

> > > Let me start out by stating that there are 4 Federal Programs establishing

laws governing the healthcare of the people that fall under these Federal

insurance programs (there may be more, but I don't have time to research). The 4

are as follows:

> > >

> > > 1. Medicare

> > > 2. Medicaid (Federally Funded program with State matching funds required)

> > > 3. Champus/Tricare (Insurance for Military Personnel and their families)

> > > 4. ERISA (Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) I believe this

covers self funded insurance benefit plans. And here is a link if you would like

to read up on it:

> > >

> > > http://www.dol. <http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm>

gov/ebsa/regs/fedreg/final/2000029766.htm

> > >

> > > In addition to the 4 Federal programs, each state has their own set of

insurance laws, governing insurance companies that operate within their state

boundaries. Each year, our Federal Regulations undergo some modifications. Each

year, our state insurance laws undergo modifications. Each year, our Insurance

Companies review their Medical Policies and modify them if they chose to.

> > >

> > > Let me first isolate the Medicare program (but I believe the same

statements that I am making for Medicare will probably hold true for the other 3

Federal Programs..., if not, I am sure someone on this listserv will correct

me). Medicare has a printed medical policy and a series of printed geographic

reimbursements for their services (i.e., the Physician Fee Schedule). Everyone

has access to that policy, and if a provider doesn't understand the why of

something, can pull up this policy and review it. If they don't like something

in that policy, they can protest it, appeal it or accept it and move on/change

their treatment methodology. The same holds true for the other 3 federal

programs. However, I would expect that not everyone encounters the other 3

programs as much as they do Medicare.

> > >

> > > Now, if a patient comes through your door and has an insurance other than

the ones illustrated above, chances are that you are dealing with an insurance

company that falls under your state law's jurisdiction (unless this patient

resides out of state or was injured on the job in another state..., in which

case that state's laws govern your treatment). All of these insurance companies

have established Medical Policies. At this point I would ask all of you reading

this the following questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Does your state law formulate a standard for medical policy (and if

they don't, who decides medical policy for insurance companies/beneficiaries)?

> > > 2. If not, does your insurance company publish or otherwise make their

medical policy available to you?

> > > 3. How many medical policies should you have to know in order to provide

the appropriate medical treatment for your patient?

> > >

> > > In the past 2 decades, CMS (Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services) has

been undergoing a transformation. In the late 80's, HCFA (HealthCare Financing

Administration) had laws on the books that were being interpreted by multiple

Medicare rs (Medicare Part B-Outpatient Clinics) and Intermediaries

(Medicare Part A-Hospitals) in each state. In each state HCFA had at least one

r and Intermediary under contract to administer their regulations and

provide oversight of their programs. In some states, HCFA had multiple rs

and Intermediaries. Each r and Intermediary was responsible for

interpreting those regulations. In recent years we have seen consolidation of

rs and Intermediaries into MAC's. While I cannot pretend to understand

HCFA/CMS' decision for this consolidation, I suspect it had a basis in reducing

cost and providing more consistent interpretation of the regulations. I know the

WPS (Wisconsin Physician Services) is now the MAC for at least 8 states (4 of

which they handle both Medicare A and B). The result of this consolidation has

been more consistent interpretation of the Medicare Regulations across both

Medicare A and B settings (Hospitals and Outpatient clinics respectively)

> > >

> > > Where am I going with all of this? Ask yourself these questions:

> > >

> > > 1. In addition to knowing the 4 Federal Programs Medical Policy, how many

other medical policies do I have to know within my state boundary?

> > > 2. Am I treating a patient that was injured in a Work Related Accident

from out of state? If so, do I know the W/C (work comp) Medical Policy for that

state?

> > > 3. Are any of my patients covered under an out of state policy? If so,

what is their medical policy?

> > > 4. ***MOST IMPORTANT*** Should Insurance medical policy coverage be

substantially different from one insurance company to the next or, could a

federal policy be generated that could govern 90% of what we do?

> > >

> > > These issues don't always affect the healthcare provider because they hire

staff to " handle " these issues. But the support staff can chew up a lot of

administrative time digging for answers to these questions. If they don't,

Insurance companies can typically tell patients that the provider knew or should

have known their policy before treatment started.

> > >

> > > I believe that if we could establish a single Medical Policy or even limit

the numbers of policies, it would save a great deal of healthcare provider time

and money (i.e., reduce expenses). Or, maybe an even better option (which

employers seem to be embracing more regularly), is to push patients over to a

catastrophic policy with a Medical Savings (health savings account) account.

That way the insurance companies have less control and the consumer becomes more

responsible for their healthcare decisions.

> > >

> > > If you have made it this far in the post, congratulations for not falling

asleep!!! Federalization of insurance laws may not be the answer, but some form

of standarization is. And I do not see 50 states binding together to come up

with a common set of laws or a common medical policy.

> > >

> > > Jim Hall, CPA <///><

> > > General Manager

> > > Rehab Management Services, LLC

> > > Cedar Rapids, IA

> > > 319/892-0142

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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