Re: Culturelle and die off??

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In a message dated 8/31/2002 3:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

beccabran2@... writes:

> Does culturelle produce die off symptoms? We are between antifungal

> treatments and I am starting culturelle. Should I expect any die off

> symptoms? Thanks.

>

Hi,

We stopped using Culturelle years ago because the company acknowledged that

there was indeed whey in it. I'm not sure if your child is on a CF/GF diet,

but this may be a factor in any symptoms you are seeing.

We use Opti-Flora plus by Metagenics as a probiotic as our son is CF/GF.

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 8/31/2002 3:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> beccabran2@y... writes:

>

>

> > Does culturelle produce die off symptoms? We are between

antifungal

> > treatments and I am starting culturelle. Should I expect any die

off

> > symptoms? Thanks.

> >

>

> Hi,

> We stopped using Culturelle years ago because the company

acknowledged that

> there was indeed whey in it. I'm not sure if your child is on a

CF/GF diet,

> but this may be a factor in any symptoms you are seeing.

>

> We use Opti-Flora plus by Metagenics as a probiotic as our son is

CF/GF.

>

>

>

Here is a response I received from the Culturelle folks when I asked

whether it was GFCF. When we give culturelle to our son, we put it

in his " GI " cocktail which contains enzymes anyway. We haven't

noticed a reaction so far.

Max (in VA, since we now have a second Max on the list)

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Subject: Gluten/casein

Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:20:38 -0600

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Dear Max,

Thank you for your message. I would like to confirm that Culturelle

does not contain measurable quantities of gluten or casein.

Regarding the gluten status, in both the culturing of the

Lactobacillus GG and in the processing of the capsules, there is no

contact of the Culturelle ingredients with gluten-containing grain or

grain components.

The Lactobacillus GG strain in Culturelle is grown on a whey-based

media. In the cheese-making process, casein is the milk protein that

precipitates to form the cheese curds (hence the term " curds and

whey " ). After the Lactobacillus GG is grown on the whey-based media,

the bacterial cells are washed and freeze-dried.

We have submitted both the pure Lactobacillus GG culture and the

Culturelle capsule contents (Lactobacillus GG mixed with inulin) to

an internationally known food allergy research program (FARRP) for an

ELISA (enzyme-linked immuno sorbent assay) of casein. The casein

contents of both the Lactobacillus GG culture and the Culturelle

capsule contents were none detected. The detection limit of the ELISA

that is used by the FARRP is 0.5 ppm (parts per million), which means

that the ELISA for casein is very sensitive. This ELISA has been

validated as accurate by testing in foods with known amounts of added

casein and is now commercially available through the Neogen Corp.

If you ever have any other questions or concerns regarding Culturelle,

please do not hesitate to contact the customer service department at

info@... or by calling 888-828-4242.

Sincerely,

A. Arndt

CAG Functional Foods

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Max,

Thanks for the info. I've been meaning to check this out myself also.

It would be a shame if we can't use Culturelle to control gut bugs.

Culturelle has been very effective in controlling C-Diff in my son.

His HPHPA went from 650 to 145 (vs ref of 0 - 150) ater a month of 1

Culturelle capsule a day. This was 4 months ago.

Since then, we have up his Culturelle to 3 / day (plus 3 Kirkman's

PBG a day). Just want to be doubly sure that we control yeast /

bacteria during chelation.

We continue to use Nystatin continuously (200,000 IU x 3 a day) and

GFSE (days 2 - 5 of the 3 on 11 off chelation cycle) to control gut

bugs.

So far things have been going very well. My 3.11 yo son called me on

the phone this morning (Mom helped dial the numbers) and

said: " Daddy, I love you. "

By the way, I was under the impression that we should not mix

Probiotics with Enzymes (especially NoFenol or Protease such as

Peptizyde). Please could anyone knowledgeable clarify.

Mike

> > In a message dated 8/31/2002 3:31:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > beccabran2@y... writes:

> >

> >

> > > Does culturelle produce die off symptoms? We are between

> antifungal

> > > treatments and I am starting culturelle. Should I expect any

die

> off

> > > symptoms? Thanks.

> > >

> >

> > Hi,

> > We stopped using Culturelle years ago because the company

> acknowledged that

> > there was indeed whey in it. I'm not sure if your child is on a

> CF/GF diet,

> > but this may be a factor in any symptoms you are seeing.

> >

> > We use Opti-Flora plus by Metagenics as a probiotic as our son is

> CF/GF.

> >

> >

> >

>

> Here is a response I received from the Culturelle folks when I

asked

> whether it was GFCF. When we give culturelle to our son, we put it

> in his " GI " cocktail which contains enzymes anyway. We haven't

> noticed a reaction so far.

>

> Max (in VA, since we now have a second Max on the list)

>

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> Subject: Gluten/casein

> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:20:38 -0600

> MIME-Version: 1.0

> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)

> Content-Type: text/plain;

> charset= " iso-8859-1 "

> Status: OR

>

> Dear Max,

>

> Thank you for your message. I would like to confirm that

Culturelle

> does not contain measurable quantities of gluten or casein.

>

> Regarding the gluten status, in both the culturing of the

> Lactobacillus GG and in the processing of the capsules, there is no

> contact of the Culturelle ingredients with gluten-containing grain

or

> grain components.

>

> The Lactobacillus GG strain in Culturelle is grown on a whey-based

> media. In the cheese-making process, casein is the milk protein

that

> precipitates to form the cheese curds (hence the term " curds and

> whey " ). After the Lactobacillus GG is grown on the whey-based

media,

> the bacterial cells are washed and freeze-dried.

>

> We have submitted both the pure Lactobacillus GG culture and the

> Culturelle capsule contents (Lactobacillus GG mixed with inulin) to

> an internationally known food allergy research program (FARRP) for

an

> ELISA (enzyme-linked immuno sorbent assay) of casein. The casein

> contents of both the Lactobacillus GG culture and the Culturelle

> capsule contents were none detected. The detection limit of the

ELISA

> that is used by the FARRP is 0.5 ppm (parts per million), which

means

> that the ELISA for casein is very sensitive. This ELISA has been

> validated as accurate by testing in foods with known amounts of

added

> casein and is now commercially available through the Neogen Corp.

>

> If you ever have any other questions or concerns regarding

Culturelle,

> please do not hesitate to contact the customer service department at

> info@c... or by calling 888-828-4242.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> A. Arndt

> CAG Functional Foods

[Guest guest]

> By the way, I was under the impression that we should not mix

> Probiotics with Enzymes (especially NoFenol or Protease such as

> Peptizyde). Please could anyone knowledgeable clarify.

Some parents report that proteases like Peptizyde appear to digest the

probiotic, rendering it wasted. I have never had this problem, but

some people have. So to be safe, give probiotics away from enzymes.

Dana