Guest guest Posted March 27, 1999 Report Share Posted March 27, 1999 , Great advice. Wendi Re: fenugreek Hi Stevie, I had one bout with thrush, and while my baby had large white patches inside his mouth, I never had any symptoms. The easiest thing to do is to find some Gentian Violet at your pharmacy. I've heard of some stores carrying it on the shelf, and others behind the pharmacy counter, so you may have to ask. GV only works on yeast, so if it's yeast/thrush, and the GV takes care of it, no more worries. It's wonderfully purple, and you paint it on (on your nipples and inside baby's mouth, and even on his bottom if he has a rash) so make sure you don't do it a few weeks before getting portraits made. Thrush can also make a baby gassy, and it can also be painful for them, which might be one of the reasons he can't sleep well. Remember how the pregnancy pains ruined a good night's sleep?? As for you getting some sleep when is awake, take him into your bed and tuck him under the covers beside you. He'll wake you if he needs you. You don't have to be entertaining after dark! As for the " chewing " it's also called comfort sucking. It's sort of like our adult reasons for eating chocolate. There may not be a nutritional *need* to eat chocolate, but it's just too good to stop sometimes!! Yes, even if you are full! Don't worry if he's not acting full and you think he needs extra formula to fill him up. Just let him enjoy what he gets from your breasts. Keep watch on his diapers to make sure that he's having lots of wet diapers (about 5-6 disposables or 6-8 cloth) every day, and about 4 poopies a day, although that should be slowing down now that he's getting into his 6th week. Someone once told me that " enough " poop would be a " handful " so I used to just imagine holding what poop arrived in the diaper, and if it filled my imaginary palm, I was happy. And you should have a " handful's " worth every 24 hours. Sometimes it comes in spurts of several days (not pooping every day but saving up for a blow-out!) and you will see that for each day missed, there's about a handful!! Your body can do it if you let it, so give it time, and stop giving him formula! You aren't avoiding dairy if you're giving him formula either, since it's made from cow's milk. Soy should be avoided unless you're out of options, and you're not yet -- you have lots more milk to make! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? http://www.onelist.com Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Breastfeeding is Best!! http://www.mariaann.com/breastfeeding Remember to Vote in our Weekly Breastfeeding Poll!! If you like this list also check out http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/weanedbuddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 1999 Report Share Posted March 27, 1999 , Great advice. Wendi Re: fenugreek Hi Stevie, I had one bout with thrush, and while my baby had large white patches inside his mouth, I never had any symptoms. The easiest thing to do is to find some Gentian Violet at your pharmacy. I've heard of some stores carrying it on the shelf, and others behind the pharmacy counter, so you may have to ask. GV only works on yeast, so if it's yeast/thrush, and the GV takes care of it, no more worries. It's wonderfully purple, and you paint it on (on your nipples and inside baby's mouth, and even on his bottom if he has a rash) so make sure you don't do it a few weeks before getting portraits made. Thrush can also make a baby gassy, and it can also be painful for them, which might be one of the reasons he can't sleep well. Remember how the pregnancy pains ruined a good night's sleep?? As for you getting some sleep when is awake, take him into your bed and tuck him under the covers beside you. He'll wake you if he needs you. You don't have to be entertaining after dark! As for the " chewing " it's also called comfort sucking. It's sort of like our adult reasons for eating chocolate. There may not be a nutritional *need* to eat chocolate, but it's just too good to stop sometimes!! Yes, even if you are full! Don't worry if he's not acting full and you think he needs extra formula to fill him up. Just let him enjoy what he gets from your breasts. Keep watch on his diapers to make sure that he's having lots of wet diapers (about 5-6 disposables or 6-8 cloth) every day, and about 4 poopies a day, although that should be slowing down now that he's getting into his 6th week. Someone once told me that " enough " poop would be a " handful " so I used to just imagine holding what poop arrived in the diaper, and if it filled my imaginary palm, I was happy. And you should have a " handful's " worth every 24 hours. Sometimes it comes in spurts of several days (not pooping every day but saving up for a blow-out!) and you will see that for each day missed, there's about a handful!! Your body can do it if you let it, so give it time, and stop giving him formula! You aren't avoiding dairy if you're giving him formula either, since it's made from cow's milk. Soy should be avoided unless you're out of options, and you're not yet -- you have lots more milk to make! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Is ONElist important to you? Has it changed your life? http://www.onelist.com Come visit our new web site and share with us your stories ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Breastfeeding is Best!! http://www.mariaann.com/breastfeeding Remember to Vote in our Weekly Breastfeeding Poll!! If you like this list also check out http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/weanedbuddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 1999 Report Share Posted March 27, 1999 Stevie, I totally respect your decision. I just hope you will try to establish your milk as much as possible while you are home. I know it is frustrating but if you blow up that mattress and just spend 3 days nursing as much as possible your body will really catch up and then you won't need formula until you go back to work. I just think it will help you reach your goal of nursing for a year. Trust yourself and do what you need to. We are all here for you no matter what you choose. Wendi Re: fenugreek << File: ATT00001.html >> << File: ATT00002.txt >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 1999 Report Share Posted March 27, 1999 Stevie, I totally respect your decision. I just hope you will try to establish your milk as much as possible while you are home. I know it is frustrating but if you blow up that mattress and just spend 3 days nursing as much as possible your body will really catch up and then you won't need formula until you go back to work. I just think it will help you reach your goal of nursing for a year. Trust yourself and do what you need to. We are all here for you no matter what you choose. Wendi Re: fenugreek << File: ATT00001.html >> << File: ATT00002.txt >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 1999 Report Share Posted March 27, 1999 Stevie, I totally respect your decision. I just hope you will try to establish your milk as much as possible while you are home. I know it is frustrating but if you blow up that mattress and just spend 3 days nursing as much as possible your body will really catch up and then you won't need formula until you go back to work. I just think it will help you reach your goal of nursing for a year. Trust yourself and do what you need to. We are all here for you no matter what you choose. Wendi Re: fenugreek << File: ATT00001.html >> << File: ATT00002.txt >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, angehowe@... writes: << ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. >> Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. I just thought I would add my .02 Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, angehowe@... writes: << ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. >> Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. I just thought I would add my .02 Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, angehowe@... writes: << ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. >> Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. I just thought I would add my .02 Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 <html> At 03:17 AM 3/28/99 , you wrote: <br> <blockquote type=cite cite>I have decided to not worry about my milk, if I have enough, well wonderful, if not then he gets formula. I have to return to work in 6 weeks anyway, so if I can't pump like I want , my body will adjust will bf him when we are together:) This way I feel confidant that I will be able to continue til at least one year. A stressed out </blockquote><br> Stevie,<br> <br> This is something perpetuated as a possibility by formula makers. & nbsp; It really isn't feasible if you intend to breastfeed for a year. & nbsp; This is what I tried doing when I went back to work at 9 weeks post-partum, and for only 6 hours a day. & nbsp; I did pump once a day during that 6 hours for the first week or so, and was confident that because I had seen a video that said that my breasts would make as much milk as my baby drank, and would even remember which time of day to make more, that I could do both. & nbsp; That only lasted about 4 weeks when I came home from work, tried to latch my son on, and he started screaming at me since there was nothing in there to drink. & nbsp; I thought the lack of fullness after work meant that my breasts had adjusted. & nbsp; They had; they stopped making milk!<br> <br> It is next to impossible to actually accomplish though.<br> <br> It's like this: & nbsp; If you decided that you didn't need to worry about going potty during your work day, and that you were now going to train your kidneys to not function for that time of day, your kidneys most certainly *would* adapt by not making urine in short order if you ignored the signs to empty your bladder -- in fact, your kidneys would eventually start learning not to make urine at all over a period of weeks! & nbsp; They would shut down and quickly send you into kidney failure. & nbsp; Your body doesn't have an internal time clock. & nbsp; Neither do your breasts. & nbsp; They will shut down if you aren't regularly nursing.<br> <br> We're not at all disappointed that you want to do both, but I personally want you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. & nbsp; However, you might be comforted to know that while your baby has gotten alot more benefit from what little you have (and will) breastfeed him since his birth, he has gotten more benefit than what he would have if he had never received breastmilk. & nbsp; A little is better than none.<br> <br> <br> </html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 <html> At 03:17 AM 3/28/99 , you wrote: <br> <blockquote type=cite cite>I have decided to not worry about my milk, if I have enough, well wonderful, if not then he gets formula. I have to return to work in 6 weeks anyway, so if I can't pump like I want , my body will adjust will bf him when we are together:) This way I feel confidant that I will be able to continue til at least one year. A stressed out </blockquote><br> Stevie,<br> <br> This is something perpetuated as a possibility by formula makers. & nbsp; It really isn't feasible if you intend to breastfeed for a year. & nbsp; This is what I tried doing when I went back to work at 9 weeks post-partum, and for only 6 hours a day. & nbsp; I did pump once a day during that 6 hours for the first week or so, and was confident that because I had seen a video that said that my breasts would make as much milk as my baby drank, and would even remember which time of day to make more, that I could do both. & nbsp; That only lasted about 4 weeks when I came home from work, tried to latch my son on, and he started screaming at me since there was nothing in there to drink. & nbsp; I thought the lack of fullness after work meant that my breasts had adjusted. & nbsp; They had; they stopped making milk!<br> <br> It is next to impossible to actually accomplish though.<br> <br> It's like this: & nbsp; If you decided that you didn't need to worry about going potty during your work day, and that you were now going to train your kidneys to not function for that time of day, your kidneys most certainly *would* adapt by not making urine in short order if you ignored the signs to empty your bladder -- in fact, your kidneys would eventually start learning not to make urine at all over a period of weeks! & nbsp; They would shut down and quickly send you into kidney failure. & nbsp; Your body doesn't have an internal time clock. & nbsp; Neither do your breasts. & nbsp; They will shut down if you aren't regularly nursing.<br> <br> We're not at all disappointed that you want to do both, but I personally want you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. & nbsp; However, you might be comforted to know that while your baby has gotten alot more benefit from what little you have (and will) breastfeed him since his birth, he has gotten more benefit than what he would have if he had never received breastmilk. & nbsp; A little is better than none.<br> <br> <br> </html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 <html> At 03:17 AM 3/28/99 , you wrote: <br> <blockquote type=cite cite>I have decided to not worry about my milk, if I have enough, well wonderful, if not then he gets formula. I have to return to work in 6 weeks anyway, so if I can't pump like I want , my body will adjust will bf him when we are together:) This way I feel confidant that I will be able to continue til at least one year. A stressed out </blockquote><br> Stevie,<br> <br> This is something perpetuated as a possibility by formula makers. & nbsp; It really isn't feasible if you intend to breastfeed for a year. & nbsp; This is what I tried doing when I went back to work at 9 weeks post-partum, and for only 6 hours a day. & nbsp; I did pump once a day during that 6 hours for the first week or so, and was confident that because I had seen a video that said that my breasts would make as much milk as my baby drank, and would even remember which time of day to make more, that I could do both. & nbsp; That only lasted about 4 weeks when I came home from work, tried to latch my son on, and he started screaming at me since there was nothing in there to drink. & nbsp; I thought the lack of fullness after work meant that my breasts had adjusted. & nbsp; They had; they stopped making milk!<br> <br> It is next to impossible to actually accomplish though.<br> <br> It's like this: & nbsp; If you decided that you didn't need to worry about going potty during your work day, and that you were now going to train your kidneys to not function for that time of day, your kidneys most certainly *would* adapt by not making urine in short order if you ignored the signs to empty your bladder -- in fact, your kidneys would eventually start learning not to make urine at all over a period of weeks! & nbsp; They would shut down and quickly send you into kidney failure. & nbsp; Your body doesn't have an internal time clock. & nbsp; Neither do your breasts. & nbsp; They will shut down if you aren't regularly nursing.<br> <br> We're not at all disappointed that you want to do both, but I personally want you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. & nbsp; However, you might be comforted to know that while your baby has gotten alot more benefit from what little you have (and will) breastfeed him since his birth, he has gotten more benefit than what he would have if he had never received breastmilk. & nbsp; A little is better than none.<br> <br> <br> </html> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 Cristina, I gave Kaija goat milk at ten months and continued nursing at morn and night for 4 more months. I think the reason why some lose their milk is because it wasn't established well in the first place. That is why I recommended to build up the milk supply before going to work. I do know that many women do end up weaning when making the decision to supplement. I think indivual babies are different. Some don't switch hit. Its one way or the other. I know many women who started to supplement and ended up with a formula fed baby because the baby began to refuse the breast. It can be done but not for everyone. Wendi Re: fenugreek From: Debstmomy@... In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, angehowe@... writes: << ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. >> Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. I just thought I would add my .02 Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. http://www.onelist.com Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Breastfeeding is Best!! http://www.mariaann.com/breastfeeding Remember to Vote in our Weekly Breastfeeding Poll!! If you like this list also check out http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/weanedbuddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 Cristina, I gave Kaija goat milk at ten months and continued nursing at morn and night for 4 more months. I think the reason why some lose their milk is because it wasn't established well in the first place. That is why I recommended to build up the milk supply before going to work. I do know that many women do end up weaning when making the decision to supplement. I think indivual babies are different. Some don't switch hit. Its one way or the other. I know many women who started to supplement and ended up with a formula fed baby because the baby began to refuse the breast. It can be done but not for everyone. Wendi Re: fenugreek From: Debstmomy@... In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, angehowe@... writes: << ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. >> Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. I just thought I would add my .02 Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. http://www.onelist.com Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Breastfeeding is Best!! http://www.mariaann.com/breastfeeding Remember to Vote in our Weekly Breastfeeding Poll!! If you like this list also check out http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/weanedbuddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 Cristina, I gave Kaija goat milk at ten months and continued nursing at morn and night for 4 more months. I think the reason why some lose their milk is because it wasn't established well in the first place. That is why I recommended to build up the milk supply before going to work. I do know that many women do end up weaning when making the decision to supplement. I think indivual babies are different. Some don't switch hit. Its one way or the other. I know many women who started to supplement and ended up with a formula fed baby because the baby began to refuse the breast. It can be done but not for everyone. Wendi Re: fenugreek From: Debstmomy@... In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, angehowe@... writes: << ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually do. >> Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. I just thought I would add my .02 Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. http://www.onelist.com Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Breastfeeding is Best!! http://www.mariaann.com/breastfeeding Remember to Vote in our Weekly Breastfeeding Poll!! If you like this list also check out http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/weanedbuddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 No war developing. Just passing along personal reflections from my own attempts at combining both -- and I really tried to make it work, it just didn't -- combined with what current literature says about making breastfeeding most successful. For some mothers, it may be entirely possible, but for most mothers, it's not. I never said that it was not at all possible for everyone. You are 100% right that it is all about supply and demand, but the biggest warning around is that formula takes much longer to digest than breastmilk, and having a baby's tummy full of formula means more missed feedings, and less milk produced. If the care giver feeds the baby formula shortly before a nursing mother arrives who also hopes to nurse and relieve the fullness in her breasts at the first chance, the full baby will be very unlikely to take much milk from mother's breasts, and mother will produce even less then next day... then the next.. and the next... I don't know that if I knew then what I know now that I would have done things any differently... but the biggest part is that I didn't know anything about breastfeeding and supplementing then, and it wasn't until after my next child was born and began nursing beautifully that I started regretting what I didn't know before. What little I did learn about breastfeeding and supplementing came from a video made by Ross Labs (Similac makers) called " Feeding Your Baby " that really set me up to fail. (Why shouldn't they. Once I fail at breastfeeding, I buy more of their products!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 1999 Report Share Posted March 28, 1999 not that i know from experience, but the advise i have gotten when talking about paige sleeping for a long time was to let her sleep and my milk supply would be ok. wouldn't that be the same as not nursing or pumping while at work? Jenn At 01:06 PM 3/28/99 EST, you wrote: >From: Debstmomy@... > >In a message dated 3/28/99 6:25:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, >angehowe@... writes: > ><< ut I personallywant you to know that it's next to impossible to actually >do. >> > >Anglea not to start a war, but that is not exactly true. Breastfeeding is not >an all or nothing thing. You can breastfeed & supplement with formula while >working & still BF at home. I did this for 9 mos with my daughter. As much as >they nurse is as much as you make. It is all about supply & demand. >I just thought I would add my .02 > >Cristina Mom to Amber 7/11/94 & Austin 10/31/97 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Start a new hobby. Meet a new friend. >http://www.onelist.com >Onelist: The leading provider of free email list services >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Breastfeeding is Best!! >http://www.mariaann.com/breastfeeding >Remember to Vote in our Weekly Breastfeeding Poll!! >If you like this list also check out http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/weanedbuddies > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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