Re: Hair test results negative

[Guest guest]

> Hi all! I am sort of new to all this, my son was only diagnosed two

> months ago. He is 17 mos old and was exposed in utero to 5 rhogams

> and a flu shot, all with mercury. Anyways, his hair test came back

> okay, which was a surprise to me.

When you say it was " okay " do you mean that the mercury reading

was " normal " ? In case that is what you mean, let me inform you

the it is EXTREMELY COMMON for people who ARE mercury toxic to

have " normal " level of mercury in their hair. Please read the

following file:

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

Please ask any questions you have about the material there.

Please do NOT decide your son is not mercury toxic based on

his hair level of mercury. This is important.

> The only thing really " out of

> whack " was his tin, which was in the red, and his sodium was 430

> (range 12-90). So, if mercury didn't cause his autism, what else

> would have damaged his thyroid, adrenals and gut?

Well, I'd guess the high tin is not a good thing. But I've not

read up on it. A number of parents here have discussed having

kids with lots of tin dumping out during chelation process.

There are other things that you could get your son checked out

for --- but stay with checking mercury for now okay?

Also check the copper level on the hair test-- high copper

is very toxic.

There are lots of other therapies that might help too.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

By negative, I mean that his mercury (.43) was barely into the

yellow. When I did the counting rules, he did not really have

disordered mineral transport, none of the three rules fit. But my

concern is even though it hasn't gone into the red, how much is too

much mercury? Do people chelate to get smaller amounts out? I know

he had significant exposure. I have also heard that even if not

much metals are chelated out, the process itself does improve some

children. Comments, anyone? Kim

> --- In @y..., " henrysmom22002 " <henrys.mom2@v...>

wrote:

> > Hi all! I am sort of new to all this, my son was only diagnosed

two

> > months ago. He is 17 mos old and was exposed in utero to 5

rhogams

> > and a flu shot, all with mercury. Anyways, his hair test came

back

> > okay, which was a surprise to me.

>

> When you say it was " okay " do you mean that the mercury reading

> was " normal " ? In case that is what you mean, let me inform you

> the it is EXTREMELY COMMON for people who ARE mercury toxic to

> have " normal " level of mercury in their hair. Please read the

> following file:

> /files/HOW_TO_hair_test

> Please ask any questions you have about the material there.

> Please do NOT decide your son is not mercury toxic based on

> his hair level of mercury. This is important.

>

> > The only thing really " out of

> > whack " was his tin, which was in the red, and his sodium was 430

> > (range 12-90). So, if mercury didn't cause his autism, what

else

> > would have damaged his thyroid, adrenals and gut?

>

> Well, I'd guess the high tin is not a good thing. But I've not

> read up on it. A number of parents here have discussed having

> kids with lots of tin dumping out during chelation process.

> There are other things that you could get your son checked out

> for --- but stay with checking mercury for now okay?

> Also check the copper level on the hair test-- high copper

> is very toxic.

>

> There are lots of other therapies that might help too.

> best wishes,

> Moria

[Guest guest]

I apologize for telling you things you already knew, and hope

you will understand my sense of diligence in bringing it up

" just in case " .

You could try it and see if you want.

And also work on investigating other things to test for or

look into.

best wishes,

Moria

> > > Hi all! I am sort of new to all this, my son was only diagnosed

> two

> > > months ago. He is 17 mos old and was exposed in utero to 5

> rhogams

> > > and a flu shot, all with mercury. Anyways, his hair test came

> back

> > > okay, which was a surprise to me.

> >

> > When you say it was " okay " do you mean that the mercury reading

> > was " normal " ? In case that is what you mean, let me inform you

> > the it is EXTREMELY COMMON for people who ARE mercury toxic to

> > have " normal " level of mercury in their hair. Please read the

> > following file:

> >

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

> > Please ask any questions you have about the material there.

> > Please do NOT decide your son is not mercury toxic based on

> > his hair level of mercury. This is important.

> >

> > > The only thing really " out of

> > > whack " was his tin, which was in the red, and his sodium was 430

> > > (range 12-90). So, if mercury didn't cause his autism, what

> else

> > > would have damaged his thyroid, adrenals and gut?

> >

> > Well, I'd guess the high tin is not a good thing. But I've not

> > read up on it. A number of parents here have discussed having

> > kids with lots of tin dumping out during chelation process.

> > There are other things that you could get your son checked out

> > for --- but stay with checking mercury for now okay?

> > Also check the copper level on the hair test-- high copper

> > is very toxic.

> >

> > There are lots of other therapies that might help too.

> > best wishes,

> > Moria

[Guest guest]

Not only does nobody know what a 'safe' level of mercury is, there is

certainly no way of knowing what your child's 'tolerance' is. Dr.

Haley says that children are ten times more sensitive to mercury than

adults. He also says that some people are more sensitive than

others. So even though your child's mercury level isn't affecting

his element transport, it may be high enough to affect him

neurologically. Chelation is pretty safe and not that difficult.

I'd recommend you try a few rounds and see if you notice any

improvements. By the way, I also do toxic elements test (urine while

on DMSA, fecal while on ALA) every other long round (i.e. about once

per month) to see what the chelators pull out.

Max in VA

> > > Hi all! I am sort of new to all this, my son was only

diagnosed

> two

> > > months ago. He is 17 mos old and was exposed in utero to 5

> rhogams

> > > and a flu shot, all with mercury. Anyways, his hair test came

> back

> > > okay, which was a surprise to me.

> >

> > When you say it was " okay " do you mean that the mercury reading

> > was " normal " ? In case that is what you mean, let me inform you

> > the it is EXTREMELY COMMON for people who ARE mercury toxic to

> > have " normal " level of mercury in their hair. Please read the

> > following file:

> > Autism-

Mercury/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

> > Please ask any questions you have about the material there.

> > Please do NOT decide your son is not mercury toxic based on

> > his hair level of mercury. This is important.

> >

> > > The only thing really " out of

> > > whack " was his tin, which was in the red, and his sodium was

430

> > > (range 12-90). So, if mercury didn't cause his autism, what

> else

> > > would have damaged his thyroid, adrenals and gut?

> >

> > Well, I'd guess the high tin is not a good thing. But I've not

> > read up on it. A number of parents here have discussed having

> > kids with lots of tin dumping out during chelation process.

> > There are other things that you could get your son checked out

> > for --- but stay with checking mercury for now okay?

> > Also check the copper level on the hair test-- high copper

> > is very toxic.

> >

> > There are lots of other therapies that might help too.

> > best wishes,

> > Moria

[Guest guest]

My concern is that even if the hair test is normal, it might be because most

autistics do not eliminate mercury. It would not make its way to the hair

and would stay in the body needing to be chelated out. A hair test would not

be the best test. What is?

Behavior, perhaps? Constant infections?

In a message dated 11/1/02 3:07:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

moriam@... writes:

<< Subj: [ ] Re: Hair test results negative

Date: 11/1/02 3:07:48 AM Eastern Standard Time

From: moriam@... (moriamerri)

Reply-to:

I apologize for telling you things you already knew, and hope

you will understand my sense of diligence in bringing it up

" just in case " .

You could try it and see if you want.

And also work on investigating other things to test for or

look into.

best wishes,

Moria

> > > Hi all! I am sort of new to all this, my son was only diagnosed

> two

> > > months ago. He is 17 mos old and was exposed in utero to 5

> rhogams

> > > and a flu shot, all with mercury. Anyways, his hair test came

> back

> > > okay, which was a surprise to me.

> >

> > When you say it was " okay " do you mean that the mercury reading

> > was " normal " ? In case that is what you mean, let me inform you

> > the it is EXTREMELY COMMON for people who ARE mercury toxic to

> > have " normal " level of mercury in their hair. Please read the

> > following file:

> >

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

> > Please ask any questions you have about the material there.

> > Please do NOT decide your son is not mercury toxic based on

> > his hair level of mercury. This is important.

> >

> > > The only thing really " out of

> > > whack " was his tin, which was in the red, and his sodium was 430

> > > (range 12-90). So, if mercury didn't cause his autism, what

> else

> > > would have damaged his thyroid, adrenals and gut?

> >

> > Well, I'd guess the high tin is not a good thing. But I've not

> > read up on it. A number of parents here have discussed having

> > kids with lots of tin dumping out during chelation process.

> > There are other things that you could get your son checked out

> > for --- but stay with checking mercury for now okay?

> > Also check the copper level on the hair test-- high copper

> > is very toxic.

> >

> > There are lots of other therapies that might help too.

> > best wishes,

> > Moria

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/11/2002 14:30:49 GMT Standard Time, gryharhntr@...

writes:

> My concern is that even if the hair test is normal, it might be because most

>

> autistics do not eliminate mercury.

CORRECT

It would not make its way to the hair > and would stay in the body needing to

> be chelated out.

CORRECT

A hair test would not > be the best test.

NOT CORRECT - you need to read the Counting Rules which are at the end of the

one about how to test hair. You look for disordered mineral transport, highly

probably in Mercury toxic person

HTH

Mandi in Uk

[Guest guest]

Hi Silvia

You would use hair test to check for problems agianst counting rules to start

with. When you are using DMSA on a chelation round you would do urine test if

you wanted to find out what metals are coming out.

Andy's recommendation is 1/8 - 1/2 mg DMSA per pound of child per dose, every

4 hours. 100mg sounds like a dose you would use for 'challenge test' unless

the subject weighs 200 pounds. One large dose like this for small child could

cause many problems, better to do a 'proper' round over 3 days and collect

the urine during that time for analysis if thats what you want to do. The

timing of collection of the specimen in our case, gets higher readings if we

collect from 6 hours post first dose for as long as we can - usually 8 -12

hours . Others see higher figures on Day 2 or 3. Tricky business when the

costs of testing are so high.

HTH

Mandi in UK

> Hi,

>

> i am very connfused, it was advised for my son urine

> toxic metal , which is using captomer (dmsa 100mg)

> then i was advised to do a hair profile test first,

> now i am arranging that , but now what is the way to

> go about this, which is the test that we should do in

> our kids,,,,,

> thanks for info

> silvia

>

[Guest guest]

> My concern is that even if the hair test is normal, it might be

because most

> autistics do not eliminate mercury.

This is true of most mercury toxic people, period. It also

applies to toxic NT adults, for example.

> It would not make its way to

the hair

> and would stay in the body needing to be chelated out. A hair test

would not

> be the best test.

Hair tests are quite useful if you look for IMPAIRED MINERAL

TRANSPORT rather than " high mercury " . Please read the

following file:

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

It explains what I just said.

Other testing options can be found here:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

Look in the sections about " determining mercury toxicity "

[or something like that!?] -- there are 2 or 3 sections,

fairly near the beginning.

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Hi,

i am very connfused, it was advised for my son urine

toxic metal , which is using captomer (dmsa 100mg)

then i was advised to do a hair profile test first,

now i am arranging that , but now what is the way to

go about this, which is the test that we should do in

our kids,,,,,

thanks for info

silvia

--- moriamerri <moriam@...> wrote: >

> > My concern is that even if the hair test is

> normal, it might be

> because most

> > autistics do not eliminate mercury.

>

> This is true of most mercury toxic people, period.

> It also

> applies to toxic NT adults, for example.

>

> > It would not make its way to

> the hair

> > and would stay in the body needing to be chelated

> out. A hair test

> would not

> > be the best test.

>

> Hair tests are quite useful if you look for IMPAIRED

> MINERAL

> TRANSPORT rather than " high mercury " . Please read

> the

> following file:

>

/files/HOW_TO_hair_test

> It explains what I just said.

>

> Other testing options can be found here:

>

/files/ANDY_INDEX

> Look in the sections about " determining mercury

> toxicity "

> [or something like that!?] -- there are 2 or 3

> sections,

> fairly near the beginning.

>

> best wishes,

> Moria

>

>

>

>

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