Re: dangers of grapefruit seed extract/was benzethonium chloride---a mercury product???

[Guest guest]

--- In , " " <lindaj@h...>

wrote:

> As a side note, I found a web site that had some interesting things

> concerning benzethonium. It was about a government place that found

that

> many commercial grapefruit seed extracts were found to contain

benzethonium.

This is correct, I will attach a study description to the end of this

message for those who are interested, altho it is Pub Med, a

publication which contains the opinions and studies of the general

medical population [you can make your own decisions]. But it is one

of the reasons that I only recommend using GSE when yeast is active,

and only for a short period of time.

>>Since benzethonium is toxic, it should never be taken internally.

Of course mercury is also toxic, but the govt continues to declare

[very loudly and often] that it is okay to INJECT [not even ingest]

into the bodies of newborn babies.

And then again, anything which kills viruses, bacteria, yeast, etc,

will be " toxic " , but we give those to humans. Be careful about the

use of general terms.

> At one time I was trying to use grapefruit seed extract, myself, but

was

> very intolerant to it. I suspect that this might be why I couldn't

tolerate

> it.

It is high phenol, and many people don't tolerate high phenol. It is

also citrus and very bitter, which can cause problems. But no doubt

it kills all yeast in 3-4 days. Everything is a trade-off. But

definitely, if you don't like this aspect, then choose a different

yeast killer.

>> Come to think of it, my reaction was pretty much the same as my

reaction

> to things with benzethonium in them.

Because it is an artificial chemical, it would most probably be even

higher phenol than grapefruit.

~~~~~

1: Pharmazie 1999 Jun;54(6):452-6

Aspects of the antimicrobial efficacy of grapefruit seed extract and

its relation to preservative substances contained.

von Woedtke T, Schluter B, Pflegel P, Lindequist U, Julich WD.

Institute of Pharmacy, Ernst Moritz Arndt University, Greifswald,

Germany.

The antimicrobial efficacy as well as the content of preservative

agents of six commercially available grapefruit seed extracts were

examined. Five of the six extracts showed a high growth inhibiting

activity against the test germs Bacillus subtilis SBUG 14, Micrococcus

flavus SBUG 16, Staphylococcus aureus SBUG 11, Serratia marcescens

SBUG 9, Escherichia coli SBUG 17, Proteus mirabilis SBUG 47, and

Candida maltosa SBUG 700. In all of the antimicrobial active

grapefruit seed extracts, the preservative benzethonium chloride was

detected by thin layer chromatography. Additionally, three extracts

contained the preserving substances triclosan and methyl parabene. In

only one of the grapefruit seed extracts tested no preservative agent

was found. However, with this extract as well as with several

self-made extracts from seed and juiceless pulp of grapefruits (Citrus

paradisi) no antimicrobial activity could be detected (standard serial

broth dilution assay, agar diffusion test). Thus, it is concluded that

the potent as well as nearly universal antimicrobial activity being

attributed to grapefruit seed extract is merely due to the synthetic

preservative agents contained within. Natural products with

antimicrobial activity do not appear to be present.

Dana

[Guest guest]

" Thus, it is concluded that the potent as well as nearly universal

antimicrobial activity being attributed to grapefruit seed extract

is merely due to the synthetic preservative agents contained within.

Natural products with antimicrobial activity do not appear to be

present. " Does this conclude it has no anti-fungal activity? Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I just checked my GSE by Higher Nature it doesn't seem to contain benzethonium

chloride.

Dagmar.

[ ] Re: dangers of grapefruit seed extract/was

benzethonium chloride---a mercury product???

> As a side note, I found a web site that had some interesting things

> concerning benzethonium. It was about a government place that found

that

> many commercial grapefruit seed extracts were found to contain

benzethonium.

This is correct, I will attach a study description to the end of this

message for those who are interested, altho it is Pub Med, a

publication which contains the opinions and studies of the general

medical population [you can make your own decisions]. But it is one

of the reasons that I only recommend using GSE when yeast is active,

and only for a short period of time.

>>Since benzethonium is toxic, it should never be taken internally.

Of course mercury is also toxic, but the govt continues to declare

[very loudly and often] that it is okay to INJECT [not even ingest]

into the bodies of newborn babies.

And then again, anything which kills viruses, bacteria, yeast, etc,

will be " toxic " , but we give those to humans. Be careful about the

use of general terms.

> At one time I was trying to use grapefruit seed extract, myself, but

was

> very intolerant to it. I suspect that this might be why I couldn't

tolerate

> it.

It is high phenol, and many people don't tolerate high phenol. It is

also citrus and very bitter, which can cause problems. But no doubt

it kills all yeast in 3-4 days. Everything is a trade-off. But

definitely, if you don't like this aspect, then choose a different

yeast killer.

>> Come to think of it, my reaction was pretty much the same as my

reaction

> to things with benzethonium in them.

Because it is an artificial chemical, it would most probably be even

higher phenol than grapefruit.

~~~~~

1: Pharmazie 1999 Jun;54(6):452-6

Aspects of the antimicrobial efficacy of grapefruit seed extract and

its relation to preservative substances contained.

von Woedtke T, Schluter B, Pflegel P, Lindequist U, Julich WD.

Institute of Pharmacy, Ernst Moritz Arndt University, Greifswald,

Germany.

The antimicrobial efficacy as well as the content of preservative

agents of six commercially available grapefruit seed extracts were

examined. Five of the six extracts showed a high growth inhibiting

activity against the test germs Bacillus subtilis SBUG 14, Micrococcus

flavus SBUG 16, Staphylococcus aureus SBUG 11, Serratia marcescens

SBUG 9, Escherichia coli SBUG 17, Proteus mirabilis SBUG 47, and

Candida maltosa SBUG 700. In all of the antimicrobial active

grapefruit seed extracts, the preservative benzethonium chloride was

detected by thin layer chromatography. Additionally, three extracts

contained the preserving substances triclosan and methyl parabene. In

only one of the grapefruit seed extracts tested no preservative agent

was found. However, with this extract as well as with several

self-made extracts from seed and juiceless pulp of grapefruits (Citrus

paradisi) no antimicrobial activity could be detected (standard serial

broth dilution assay, agar diffusion test). Thus, it is concluded that

the potent as well as nearly universal antimicrobial activity being

attributed to grapefruit seed extract is merely due to the synthetic

preservative agents contained within. Natural products with

antimicrobial activity do not appear to be present.

Dana

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[Guest guest]

> It is high phenol, and many people don't tolerate high phenol. It

is also citrus and very bitter, which can cause problems.

You can consider adding No-Fenol enzymes to the GSE. This seems to

take care of the phenol issues and has a synergistic effect. Maybe

the combination should be combined into one product called " Yeast-B-

Gone "

.

[Guest guest]

>

> As a side note, I found a web site that had some interesting things

> concerning benzethonium. It was about a government place that found

that

> many commercial grapefruit seed extracts were found to contain

benzethonium.

> This is especially serious, because they were not labeled as having

it in

> them, and grapefruit seed extracts are often taken internally to

get rid of

> candida, parasites, etc.

, thank you so much for doing that research!! I very much

appreciate it!!!

The scary part about the study you mentioned, is that they found that

the benzethonium chloride was being put in the GSE, but was not being

put on the label!!! And yes, I've given GSE to my son before, for

oral consumption!

Well, my ear now feels like it's on fire. Before I began the drops

last night, my ears just itched constantly, but now the one in which

I tried the drops downright hurts. Thank goodness I had enough sense

not to try the drops in both ears at the same time! I guess I can add

benzethonium chloride to my list of things I'm allergic to!

, what preservatives (for things like ear drops, etc.), have you

found you could tolerate?

Thanks again, !

Janice

[Guest guest]

Hey folks...

When I first started seeing " GSE " I thought you all meant GRAPE seed

Extract.

This " GRAPE-fruit " Seed Extract looks like it is a different thing.

Is there some kind of confusion here? I have never seen grapefruit seed

extract.

What is GFSE as opposed to GSE and what are you all using it for? Yeast?

Someone care to clue me in on the differences?

In this post I left included below, someone says the grapefruit seed

extract is citrus and bitter.

I understand that regular grapeseed extract is from grapes, and not

citrus... although it is a hair on the bitter side just like chewing a

grapeseed.

By the way, I have taken regular grape seed extract for two years and I

no longer have my sun allergy. I found out about grapeseed extract from

my vet on his last day of work... who had to quit his practice from the

development of a terrible skin allergy to animals on his hands. He is

back to work now after taking grape seed extract for two years. ... and

HE learned about it from his wife who has lupus. He started taking " her "

grapeseed extract when he saw her getting better from it. He said her

lupus was better now than it was ten years ago when they got married. I

has worked very well for me, but my water is not chlorinated. I just ran

into a lot of research on how antioxidants mixed with chlorine can

create carcinogens.

in Ohio

danaatty wrote:

>

> > As a side note, I found a web site that had some interesting things

> > concerning benzethonium. It was about a government place that found

> that

> > many commercial grapefruit seed extracts were found to contain

> benzethonium.

>

>

> This is correct, I will attach a study description to the end of this

> message for those who are interested, altho it is Pub Med, a

> publication which contains the opinions and studies of the general

> medical population [you can make your own decisions]. But it is one

> of the reasons that I only recommend using GSE when yeast is active,

> and only for a short period of time.

>

>

> >>Since benzethonium is toxic, it should never be taken internally.

>

>

> Of course mercury is also toxic, but the govt continues to declare

> [very loudly and often] that it is okay to INJECT [not even ingest]

> into the bodies of newborn babies.

>

> And then again, anything which kills viruses, bacteria, yeast, etc,

> will be " toxic " , but we give those to humans. Be careful about the

> use of general terms.

>

>

> > At one time I was trying to use grapefruit seed extract, myself, but

> was

> > very intolerant to it. I suspect that this might be why I couldn't

> tolerate

> > it.

>

>

> It is high phenol, and many people don't tolerate high phenol. It is

> also citrus and very bitter, which can cause problems. But no doubt

> it kills all yeast in 3-4 days. Everything is a trade-off. But

> definitely, if you don't like this aspect, then choose a different

> yeast killer.

>

>

> >> Come to think of it, my reaction was pretty much the same as my

> reaction

> > to things with benzethonium in them.

>

>

> Because it is an artificial chemical, it would most probably be even

> higher phenol than grapefruit.

>

> ~~~~~

>

> 1: Pharmazie 1999 Jun;54(6):452-6

>

> Aspects of the antimicrobial efficacy of grapefruit seed extract and

> its relation to preservative substances contained.

>

> von Woedtke T, Schluter B, Pflegel P, Lindequist U, Julich WD.

>

> Institute of Pharmacy, Ernst Moritz Arndt University, Greifswald,

> Germany.

>

> The antimicrobial efficacy as well as the content of preservative

> agents of six commercially available grapefruit seed extracts were

> examined. Five of the six extracts showed a high growth inhibiting

> activity against the test germs Bacillus subtilis SBUG 14, Micrococcus

> flavus SBUG 16, Staphylococcus aureus SBUG 11, Serratia marcescens

> SBUG 9, Escherichia coli SBUG 17, Proteus mirabilis SBUG 47, and

> Candida maltosa SBUG 700. In all of the antimicrobial active

> grapefruit seed extracts, the preservative benzethonium chloride was

> detected by thin layer chromatography. Additionally, three extracts

> contained the preserving substances triclosan and methyl parabene. In

> only one of the grapefruit seed extracts tested no preservative agent

> was found. However, with this extract as well as with several

> self-made extracts from seed and juiceless pulp of grapefruits (Citrus

> paradisi) no antimicrobial activity could be detected (standard serial

> broth dilution assay, agar diffusion test). Thus, it is concluded that

> the potent as well as nearly universal antimicrobial activity being

> attributed to grapefruit seed extract is merely due to the synthetic

> preservative agents contained within. Natural products with

> antimicrobial activity do not appear to be present.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> " Thus, it is concluded that the potent as well as nearly universal

> antimicrobial activity being attributed to grapefruit seed extract

> is merely due to the synthetic preservative agents contained within.

> Natural products with antimicrobial activity do not appear to be

> present. " Does this conclude it has no anti-fungal activity? Mike

That would appear to be the conclusion here, but I know people who

drink grapefruit juice and it controls yeast for them.

Dana

[Guest guest]

--- In , " E.L. " <magicone@b...>

wrote:

> Hey folks...

> When I first started seeing " GSE " I thought you all meant GRAPE seed

> Extract.

> This " GRAPE-fruit " Seed Extract looks like it is a different thing.

Yes, it is an entirely different thing.

> Is there some kind of confusion here? I have never seen grapefruit

seed

> extract.

> What is GFSE as opposed to GSE and what are you all using it for?

Yeast?

The bottle will say GSE, so don't go looking for GFSE because you

won't find it. It is a yeast killer, kills all yeast in less than a

week. Ask for it at your health food store if you are interested.

> Someone care to clue me in on the differences?

I don't know what grape seed extract is used for, but grapeFRUIT seed

extract is great for yeast.

> In this post I left included below, someone says the grapefruit seed

> extract is citrus and bitter.

> I understand that regular grapeseed extract is from grapes, and not

> citrus... although it is a hair on the bitter side just like chewing

a

> grapeseed.

GSE tastes like very strong concentrated grapefruit.

>

> By the way, I have taken regular grape seed extract for two years

and I

> no longer have my sun allergy.

Congrats on this and the other improvements you list.

Dana

[Guest guest]

At 03:43 PM 12/30/02, you wrote:

> > Someone care to clue me in on the differences?

>

>I don't know what grape seed extract is used for, but grapeFRUIT seed

>extract is great for yeast.

Grape seed extract helps with circulation, strengthens veins & collagens

and can help with varicose veins, and can help with allergies. It also

helps the body retain vit. C. You'll see it in the shops as OPC or

pycnogenol, which is the active chemical, which is also found in (some)

pine bark.

Cheers,