Re: Bipolar questions (was 'is GFCF diet necessary?')

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My daughter was diagnosed ADHD, CAPD & Bipolar, until a psychologist hinted

that my daughter seemed more PDD. An aquaintance had told me some time

before that her daughter was treated for amalgam illness when she was

diagnosed bipolar. When I started to research the PDD issues and learned of

the vaccine - mercury is when it all clicked. My child is getting much

better chelating, using enzymes and supplements and I doubt any one would

diagnose her CAPD or Bipolar or possibly even PDD at this point.

Michele

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Tonya:

> Can heavy metal toxicity symptoms look like bipolar disorder

>symptoms? Or, can hmt cause bpd?

According to Andy's book, page 25, yes it can.

> Would a GFCF diet help or affect bpd? Help or affect hmt that looks

>like bpd?

Possibly to my thinking, but from what I've read chelation would

probably help more.

>we're still waiting on an 'official' diagnosis' if it matters).

Personally I think when you're dealing with hmt that because the

symptoms are so varied that you're going to get a diagnosis based on

the speciality of the doc you're seeing and which of the symptoms

match that speciality. In Steve's case that was Parkinson's although

he has enough similar symptoms to have been diagnosed as MS or

fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome as well. But the first

specialist he saw was a PD specialist so he got labeled PD. Although

from reading the symptoms of a lot of these kiddies on the list if he

had been a child he would probalby have been diagnosed as high

functioning autisic or asperger's.

>There are days the diet and supplements really work and then there

>are days where it really doesn't (or a minor infraction occurs (and I

>mean minor) and we're back to square one). Maybe, it never worked

>and we just had good days. This is the 6ds that I have mentioned

>before going to those dark places that I just don't understand.

Maybe she's just so suseptible that even minute amounts of the things

on the no-no list affect her. I'm so allergic to penicillin that when

my kids had ear infections and were given it I would have to wear

rubber gloves to give them the meds. Just the little bit I absorbed

through my skin would cause me to have a full blown reaction.

I had a friend about 20 years ago who's daughter had celiac disease.

She was so suseptible to the gluten in things that if her mom fixed a

sandwich for one of the other kids her mom would then have to wash her

hands and air dry them before fixing the daughter's food. Othewise the

gluten residue from the sandwich would contaminate the food and she'd

have a severe reaction and possibly wind up in the hospital.

>I think the Feingold portion of the diet is helping the most. GFCF

>seems to help with constipation and eczema but it all still flares on

>occasion.

>

Feingold helps Steve a lot too. In Steve's case he can take ONE sip of

a soda and you can actually SEE it start to affect him. It's quite

amazing.

Try tracking the OTHER things such as veggies or fruits, etc. that are

on the ok list that she's had before an episode. Maybe she's reacting

to one of those. In Steve's case there's quite a few on the ok list

for Feingold that he reacts to as well. Also sometimes an infraction

can occur several days, not hours before a reaction. Just a thought.

Vickie

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--- In @y..., " Tonya Dillingham " <mothersheart1996@e...>

wrote:

> On a similar note...

>

> Can heavy metal toxicity symptoms look like bipolar disorder

symptoms? Or, can hmt cause bpd?

For my family, bipolar is a function of phenols and/or yeast

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/phenol.htm

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/yeast.htm

We are also metal toxic.

>

> Would a GFCF diet help or affect bpd? Help or affect hmt that looks

like bpd?

Removing phenols, which includes milk, is more helpful for bipolar for

most people. Altho gf can also be helpful for many.

>

> What I thought was autism spectrum in one of my kids, may instead be

bipolar disorder (per several folks I know that have worked in the

field of special ed kids...we're still waiting on an 'official'

diagnosis' if it matters). There are days the diet and supplements

Which supplements? A few supplements contribute to bipolar issues.

Dana

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Pssst.... don't tell the doc's but most psych problems, like bipolar,

are heavy metal tox. Primarily mercury.

It is generally a good bet that when there is no curative treatment

the problem is they are treating the wrong thing.

There is lots of direct evidence in the literature (e. g. search

archives for the post with a bunch of abstracts from papers by

Siblerud and others) that bipolar is mercury tox. And, obviously by

sheer coincidence, the rate of bipolar among children rose

dramatically in the last 10 years in lockstep with autism.

Andy . .. . . . .

[Guest guest]

When the docs look through their book of possible diagnoses neither chronic

mercury toxicity nor chronic metal toxicity appear in the list of choices even

though for many its probably the appropriate diagnosis. S

From: risnowball [mailto: vickieklein@...]To:

@...: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:54:36 -0000Subject:

[ ] Re: Bipolar questions (was 'is GFCF diet necessary?')Tonya: & gt;

Can heavy metal toxicity symptoms look like bipolar disorder & gt;symptoms? Or,

can hmt cause bpd?According to Andy's book, page 25, yes it can. & gt; Would a

GFCF diet help or affect bpd? Help or affect hmt that looks & gt;like

bpd?Possibly to my thinking, but from what I've read chelation wouldprobably

help more. & gt;we're still waiting on an 'official' diagnosis' if it matters).

Personally I think when you're dealing with hmt that because thesymptoms are so

varied that you're going to get a diagnosis based onthe speciality of the doc

you're seeing and which of the symptomsmatch that speciality. In Steve's case

that was Parkinson's althoughhe has enough similar symptoms to have been

diagnosed as MS orfibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome as well. But the

firstspecialist he saw was a PD specialist so he got labeled PD. Althoughfrom

reading the symptoms of a lot of these kiddies on the list if hehad been a child

he would probalby have been diagnosed as highfunctioning autisic or

asperger's. & gt;There are days the diet and supplements really work and then

there & gt;are days where it really doesn't (or a minor infraction occurs (and

I & gt;mean minor) and we're back to square one). Maybe, it never worked & gt;and

we just had good days. This is the 6ds that I have mentioned & gt;before going to

those dark places that I just don't understand. Maybe she's just so suseptible

that even minute amounts of the thingson the no-no list affect her. I'm so

allergic to penicillin that whenmy kids had ear infections and were given it I

would have to wearrubber gloves to give them the meds. Just the little bit I

absorbedthrough my skin would cause me to have a full blown reaction. I had a

friend about 20 years ago who's daughter had celiac disease.She was so

suseptible to the gluten in things that if her mom fixed asandwich for one of

the other kids her mom would then have to wash herhands and air dry them before

fixing the daughter's food. Othewise thegluten residue from the sandwich would

contaminate the food and she'dhave a severe reaction and possibly wind up in the

hospital. & gt;I think the Feingold portion of the diet is helping the most.

GFCF & gt;seems to help with constipation and eczema but it all still flares

on & gt;occasion. & gt; Feingold helps Steve a lot too. In Steve's case he can take

ONE sip ofa soda and you can actually SEE it start to affect him. It's

quiteamazing.Try tracking the OTHER things such as veggies or fruits, etc. that

areon the ok list that she's had before an episode. Maybe she's reactingto one

of those. In Steve's case there's quite a few on the ok listfor Feingold that he

reacts to as well. Also sometimes an infractioncan occur several days, not hours

before a reaction. Just a thought.Vickie

[Guest guest]

Hi Tonya;

I just wrote a whole reply and then deleted it. Hate that.

I never formally recieved a dx of bp, but have symptoms that match

that, and was prescribed a med for it (also used for schizophrenia). I

also have symptoms of autism. I've basically been less than fully

functional since birth, and at the same time, what you'd consider a

" high functioning " autistic with mainly Asperger's like symptoms

(with HEAVY doses of anxiety and depression). More or less the same

case with my kids, although I actually think they are more severely

affected than me at that age, though that's a guess.

I and my kids are GFCF and corn free and chocolate free. It (the diet)

really helps for us, in the big picture, especially with enzymes. We

use Houston's Zyme-Prime and take a very low dose. If you start

enzymes, my recommendation is to start low and slow. If you have an

opioid problem, you'll probably get withdrawl when starting enzymes,

though, in our case, this was not immediately evident unless we used

more than about a quarter of a capsule at a meal). Check out the

enzymes and autism site and look at the file on opioid mechanics by

Dr. Houston. Also check out the GFCFKids I think it is site.

My kids have the same high / low thing as me, which I attribute to

opioid excess and depletion. My daughter and I seem more emotionally

affected, though my son has it pretty bad too. A bad spell can cause

us to cry for hours, have self-destructive thoughts and or head

banging. Its pretty awful. It can also cause general motor slowing,

and something they call avolition (inability to get involved in or do

anything--I particularly remember this as a teen/preteen--it was so

uncomfortable--but not as bad as the lowest lows). I could go on, but

I'll spare ya!

The enzymes break up opioids found in foods. However, there are some

things to be aware of. Once you lower the overall opioid intoxication

level, which may be considerable if you have a leaky gut, and

ineffective naturally produced enzymes, your sensitivity to the foods

that contains them increases, so that you will see higher highs and

lower lows from the same foods. We have had to remove more and more

foods because they contain a trace of corn or gluten. Usually its corn

because corn is so hard to avoid. I still think that for us the

enzymes are worth it. For me, I just function so much better. Better

ability to deal with people, make eye contact, think clearly, etc.

When in the high phase, it is not always readily apparant. There is a

general speeding up of things. Taking enzymes will sometimes undo the

high. Hormones (i.e. estrogen) seem to have an effect, possibly

prolonging the life of opioids or increasing their binding to the

receptor. This can lead to some really scary PMS.

I and so far one kid have had hair tests and we are toxic. My son and

I nearly meet counting rules. I might have met them had it not been

for the 1.5+ yrs of mineral supplementation. Nonetheless I showed

toxic levels of four heavy metals, mainly arsenic, and my son had

toxic levels of at least six of them, including all the same elements

I had in high levels, plus a handful more.

I plan to continue to use the enzymes because they help my kids and me

be more normal, though we're definitely still affected, and I am

working on getting the metal out of my mouth so I can chelate. I think

if you can do it, a hair test would be wise. And I think you can look

for opioids in the urine, though not sure this is a standard test.

Perhaps ask Andy.

Hope this helps a bit. You're welcome to email me any other queries

about our particular experience.

Sheila

I'd be happy to help in any way I can in terms of sharing our

experiences, supplement use, etc. I know its hard to watch a kid go

through the contortions of this kind of thing. Its especially tough to

have three of us all wacked out at the same time, here! Fortunately, I

feel great hope that we're going to fix it with chelation. I guess

we'll see.

> > A nutritionist is probably not as familiar w/ the fact that

many of

> these kids test negative on allergy tests to gluten and casein and

> also to the peptide test and still profoundly benefit from this

diet.

> Your DAN dr understands this. Doing the diet 100% for 3 months

is

> the best way to find out. And healing the gut is so essential, I

cant

> express this enough. As you heal the gut, they do improve and

every

> time they get yeast etc again, they regress. Many can testify to

> this. You will see but you have to try it to find out.

> > [ ] If gluten/casein test okay, is GFCF

diet

> necessary?

> >

> >

> > In addition to my last post about our first DAN doctor visit,

this

> > doctor says it doesn't matter that previous results of a

gluten/casein

> > test show Freddie not to have a gluten/casein problem, he

still needs

> > to follow a gluten/casein free diet before proceeding to

chelation. I

> > think his reasoning may be to heal his gut first? Whereas the

> > Nutritionist who ordered the test in the first place says it

isn't

> > something we have to worry about because of the test results.

Who do

> > we believe?

> >

> >

> >

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Sheila (and others)

Your replies have been very eye opening. How I got to this board has been very

circuitous anyway but I am very grateful.

We are Feingold (stage 2, no (), bananas, pineapple), GFCF, soy-free,

peanut-free but sometimes I think I'm working for nothing...I forget how far

we've come, I just get overwhelmed...I'm sure you all have been there.

The opioid effect is something I hadn't thought of! I started their enzymes

slow (1 tablet a day with the heaviest meal) but then, after about a week, I

wanted to bump it up to help with the food on a regular basis and had them take

one with each meal. It is either that or the nitrate/preservative/color/yuck

free bologna that I let them have two days in row...it seemed to cause a problem

before and must still be. My 8ds was really aggressive and had several

emotional meltdowns (big ones).

I have posted both hair tests before but I didn't get much response to 8ds's

results even after the second time so I guess he's not a 'off' as I think. I

can't chelate right now anyway...he has braces and I'm not confident that

nothing with get drug through his body. I'm holding off on 6ds until have their

appt with the dr. I'll slow up on the enzymes and add more probiotics. We're

already using GSE and milk thistle.

Thanks everyone for your help.

Tonya Dillingham

Mothersheart1996@...

[ ] If gluten/casein test okay, is GFCF

diet

> necessary?

> >

> >

> > In addition to my last post about our first DAN doctor visit,

this

> > doctor says it doesn't matter that previous results of a

gluten/casein

> > test show Freddie not to have a gluten/casein problem, he

still needs

> > to follow a gluten/casein free diet before proceeding to

chelation. I

> > think his reasoning may be to heal his gut first? Whereas the

> > Nutritionist who ordered the test in the first place says it

isn't

> > something we have to worry about because of the test results.

Who do

> > we believe?

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tonya:

> The opioid effect is something I hadn't thought of! I started their

enzymes slow (1 tablet a day with the heaviest meal) but then, after

about a week, I wanted to bump it up to help with the food on a

regular basis and had them take one with each meal. It is either that

or the nitrate/preservative/color/yuck free bologna that I let them

have two days in row...it seemed to cause a problem before and must

still be. My 8ds was really aggressive and had several emotional

meltdowns (big ones).

Check the ingredients on the bologna and make sure it's casein free.

Steve loves hot dogs and I've found some that were

nitrate/preservative/color/yuck free only find they contain casein as

filler.

Just a thought.

Vickie

[Guest guest]

--- In @y..., " Tonya Dillingham " <mothersheart1996@e...>

wrote:

> On a similar note...

>

> Can heavy metal toxicity symptoms look like bipolar disorder

symptoms? Or, can hmt cause bpd?

from what I have read/heard, metal tox can look like a WHOLE

LOT of different things. Including MANY " mental " disorders.

Such as psychosis, depression, anxiety, bipolar, schizophrenia,

panic attacks, OCD. After a while I've come to feel that

the words used don't really mean much. I tend to think of

it as " a lot of mental/emotional disorders " .

Also, an exact causal relationship is hard to pin down---

but, since metals can make people feel tense and aggrevated,

this can **contribute** to pretty much ANY kind of problem.

>

>

> Would a GFCF diet help or affect bpd? Help or affect hmt that looks

like bpd?

from what you said it sounds like it does help your child.

digestive enzymes might also help.

best wishes,

Moria