Re: Puzzling over some test results 1-4

[Guest guest]

Generally these tests are very difficcult to impossible to interpret.

Especially the urine tests if they are not a timed collection spanning

at least several doses (e. g. 24 hour, at least 12 hour).

Especially with the 4.7 year old, you should have seen notable

progress if this was the problem.

Also, did you post the GSDL hair results earlier? If so, what message

number? You don't make much of a case that they indicated a heavy

metal problem in the first place.

Is the children's history consistent with vaccine induced problems,

with normal development until age 2, at which point regression and

growth failure occurred?

Andy . . . .. . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

thank you for looking at these results----sorry for omitting some

details:

> Generally these tests are very difficcult to impossible to

interpret.

> Especially the urine tests if they are not a timed collection

spanning

> at least several doses (e. g. 24 hour, at least 12 hour).

These were 12 hour collections----covering and following several

doses. We were instructed to note the total amount and then decant a

small portion for the test kit. (of note: the DAN wanted 8 hr

dosing, I adjusted for 4 hour intervals---I didn't see how that

should make a difference for the test) Her BM to be used for the test

took 30+ hours to show up.

>

> Especially with the 4.7 year old, you should have seen notable

> progress if this was the problem.

I am having a lot of trouble defining progress for her. Spec.ed.

preschool teachers, speech path, and day-care providers remark on it

regularly (they do not know about chelating we are doing), but it

seems painfully slow to me (I am not the most patient person ever;)

For example, I was more than ready to have the " decided to go on the

potty " experience that some have reported and have not. I believe

she does have knowledge of bodily functions now, but may have

behavioral block about using the potty. It is also hard to sort out

what may be due to above school interventions and 9 months of

development. She came up with casein components in urine and we

restrict that and also use Houston enzymes. My spouse was initially

skeptical of chelation, but believes she is making progress.

Significantly better ability to make herself understood vs.

screaming. Still very irritable, easily frustrated.

>

> Also, did you post the GSDL hair results earlier? If so, what

message

> number? You don't make much of a case that they indicated a heavy

> metal problem in the first place.

My son's report is A-M #35848 and daughter's is #35853. I dug them

out and looked at them again recently when you were discussing GSDL

hair tests with someone else. Based on your recent posts, my son

would seem to qualify, but daughter would not. She is much more

severe ASD than he.

>

> Is the children's history consistent with vaccine induced problems,

> with normal development until age 2, at which point regression and

> growth failure occurred?

Yes. All her milestones to 18 months or so right on (faster than her

older brother, in fact) Little demarkation to regression (compared

to what others have posted). Example: knew and could point to

numerous body parts at 20 months, lost most/all by 2.5 years. No

marked growth failure. Both my kids are tall (as is their father).

She is VERY thin. Head circumference(s) normal.

No particular regression for my son. He is ?Aspberger dx. No amalgam

for either pregnancy, although I got one installed (since removed)

while daughter still breastfeeding at 8 months.

Chelation has gone pretty well, I think. We have the " fussies " (over

emotional, crabby, sometimes slight temp) on the last day-first day

off round. Occasional yeast flares with daughter that we treat

pretty easily with GSE. (Do I remember you saying chelators would not

have these effects if no metal to remove?)

Perhaps these results are fairly common---as odd as it sounds, I was

hoping for a big ol' glump of mercury on them to prove that we were

doing the right thing <sigh>

>

> Andy . . . .. . . . . . .

Thanks again for your time.

-Lissy