Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 The tests (TPO and Anti TPO) will check the antibodies for it. There are more symptoms that can be had with hashimoto's. The person suffering will have cycles of hyper and hypo thyroidisms until the thyroid burns out and it will be totally hypo then. Hashimoto's > > When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it sounded > like I have Hashimoto's. > > I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree.. > > > > Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However, > the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weight > gain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair, > constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter > (enlargement of the thyroid gland). > > I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyone > else is cold. > > I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D. > > I have only had two periods in the last two years. > > > > Angel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 The tests (TPO and Anti TPO) will check the antibodies for it. There are more symptoms that can be had with hashimoto's. The person suffering will have cycles of hyper and hypo thyroidisms until the thyroid burns out and it will be totally hypo then. Hashimoto's > > When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it sounded > like I have Hashimoto's. > > I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree.. > > > > Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However, > the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weight > gain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair, > constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter > (enlargement of the thyroid gland). > > I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyone > else is cold. > > I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D. > > I have only had two periods in the last two years. > > > > Angel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 The tests (TPO and Anti TPO) will check the antibodies for it. There are more symptoms that can be had with hashimoto's. The person suffering will have cycles of hyper and hypo thyroidisms until the thyroid burns out and it will be totally hypo then. Hashimoto's > > When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it sounded > like I have Hashimoto's. > > I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree.. > > > > Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However, > the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weight > gain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair, > constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter > (enlargement of the thyroid gland). > > I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyone > else is cold. > > I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D. > > I have only had two periods in the last two years. > > > > Angel > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Angel, First, it's good to question, it's good to research. It's good to never just sit back and let others decide for you.... But I'd like to share some of the things that we've learned here, through first hand experience and through research.... Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves auto antibodies that attack the thyroid gland with the ultimate intent of totally destroying it... As antibody levels increase and the attack on the thyroid gland increases more of the gland is destroyed and it's production drops... as the production drops the antibody levels drop. As the antibody levels drop the thyroid starts to pick up production, less than before the last attack, but enough to trigger an increase in the level of the antibodies which then renew their attack on the thyroid gland. The cycle between higher and lower levels of thyroid hormone can vary, from days to weeks to months to years - depending on many factors. For some the thyroid gland dies in a relatively short period of time, for others it may continue to sputter back and forth for the person's lifetime. It's all very individual. The only way to know for sure if you are dealing with an auto immune form of thyroid disease is to test for antibodies. And even with testing, depending at which stage of attack is in effect that test could actually show normal levels, if the symptoms are there that means repeated testing to see if the antibody levels fluctuate. I've been both hyper and hypo and have always been heat sensitive, not every one is the same. I know hyper folks that are heavy and hypo folks that are slender.. there is a propensity toward certain symptoms being 'classic indicators' of either hyper or hypo but, again, it varies from individual to individual and when antibodies are involved can change in the same person depending on the cyclical nature of the antibody levels. Hyper, in me, meant no periods. Hypo in me meant a return of my periods. When my thyroid med doses were low, or non existent my periods were irregular. By calendar and by flow. As my meds and hormone levels were optimized my periods became VERY regular.... ... for others that is also different... so again, the only way to be sure is to have your blood levels tested. And that means more than just TSH, you need to have the antibodies tested as well as the available thyroid hormone, Free T4 and Free T3. TSH alone doesn't tell enough to let you know what is going on with your thyroid health. You may chose to have the proper tests taken.. or may not. Only you can decide which direction you want to go.. either way.. we'll be here.... Topper () On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:08:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "ADM" writes: When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it soundedlike I have Hashimoto's.I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree..Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However,the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weightgain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair,constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter(enlargement of the thyroid gland). I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyoneelse is cold.I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D.I have only had two periods in the last two years.Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Angel, First, it's good to question, it's good to research. It's good to never just sit back and let others decide for you.... But I'd like to share some of the things that we've learned here, through first hand experience and through research.... Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves auto antibodies that attack the thyroid gland with the ultimate intent of totally destroying it... As antibody levels increase and the attack on the thyroid gland increases more of the gland is destroyed and it's production drops... as the production drops the antibody levels drop. As the antibody levels drop the thyroid starts to pick up production, less than before the last attack, but enough to trigger an increase in the level of the antibodies which then renew their attack on the thyroid gland. The cycle between higher and lower levels of thyroid hormone can vary, from days to weeks to months to years - depending on many factors. For some the thyroid gland dies in a relatively short period of time, for others it may continue to sputter back and forth for the person's lifetime. It's all very individual. The only way to know for sure if you are dealing with an auto immune form of thyroid disease is to test for antibodies. And even with testing, depending at which stage of attack is in effect that test could actually show normal levels, if the symptoms are there that means repeated testing to see if the antibody levels fluctuate. I've been both hyper and hypo and have always been heat sensitive, not every one is the same. I know hyper folks that are heavy and hypo folks that are slender.. there is a propensity toward certain symptoms being 'classic indicators' of either hyper or hypo but, again, it varies from individual to individual and when antibodies are involved can change in the same person depending on the cyclical nature of the antibody levels. Hyper, in me, meant no periods. Hypo in me meant a return of my periods. When my thyroid med doses were low, or non existent my periods were irregular. By calendar and by flow. As my meds and hormone levels were optimized my periods became VERY regular.... ... for others that is also different... so again, the only way to be sure is to have your blood levels tested. And that means more than just TSH, you need to have the antibodies tested as well as the available thyroid hormone, Free T4 and Free T3. TSH alone doesn't tell enough to let you know what is going on with your thyroid health. You may chose to have the proper tests taken.. or may not. Only you can decide which direction you want to go.. either way.. we'll be here.... Topper () On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:08:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "ADM" writes: When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it soundedlike I have Hashimoto's.I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree..Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However,the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weightgain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair,constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter(enlargement of the thyroid gland). I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyoneelse is cold.I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D.I have only had two periods in the last two years.Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Angel, First, it's good to question, it's good to research. It's good to never just sit back and let others decide for you.... But I'd like to share some of the things that we've learned here, through first hand experience and through research.... Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves auto antibodies that attack the thyroid gland with the ultimate intent of totally destroying it... As antibody levels increase and the attack on the thyroid gland increases more of the gland is destroyed and it's production drops... as the production drops the antibody levels drop. As the antibody levels drop the thyroid starts to pick up production, less than before the last attack, but enough to trigger an increase in the level of the antibodies which then renew their attack on the thyroid gland. The cycle between higher and lower levels of thyroid hormone can vary, from days to weeks to months to years - depending on many factors. For some the thyroid gland dies in a relatively short period of time, for others it may continue to sputter back and forth for the person's lifetime. It's all very individual. The only way to know for sure if you are dealing with an auto immune form of thyroid disease is to test for antibodies. And even with testing, depending at which stage of attack is in effect that test could actually show normal levels, if the symptoms are there that means repeated testing to see if the antibody levels fluctuate. I've been both hyper and hypo and have always been heat sensitive, not every one is the same. I know hyper folks that are heavy and hypo folks that are slender.. there is a propensity toward certain symptoms being 'classic indicators' of either hyper or hypo but, again, it varies from individual to individual and when antibodies are involved can change in the same person depending on the cyclical nature of the antibody levels. Hyper, in me, meant no periods. Hypo in me meant a return of my periods. When my thyroid med doses were low, or non existent my periods were irregular. By calendar and by flow. As my meds and hormone levels were optimized my periods became VERY regular.... ... for others that is also different... so again, the only way to be sure is to have your blood levels tested. And that means more than just TSH, you need to have the antibodies tested as well as the available thyroid hormone, Free T4 and Free T3. TSH alone doesn't tell enough to let you know what is going on with your thyroid health. You may chose to have the proper tests taken.. or may not. Only you can decide which direction you want to go.. either way.. we'll be here.... Topper () On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:08:03 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "ADM" writes: When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it soundedlike I have Hashimoto's.I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree..Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However,the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weightgain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair,constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter(enlargement of the thyroid gland). I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyoneelse is cold.I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D.I have only had two periods in the last two years.Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Before the gland in Hashi's dies, it can have major swings from hypo to hyper to normal and back again. More extensive reading on it will bring this to light for you. The symptoms you gave are PART of a list of symptoms for hypothyroidism, which is what will eventually happen with Hashi's. Hashi's has a long ongoing history in a person and is never completely cured, only tried to control with thyroid hormone. The autoantibodies are what cause the exaccerbations back and forth at certain thyroid receptor sites. Hashi's is a very detailed confusing thyroid disorder. I have it myself, and my presentation with it yrs ago was a very hyperthyroid stage, before it was under massive destruction from the autoantibodies. It is the most common cause of thyroid disease, with Grave's coming in second. There are other forms of the thyroid disorders, but some are thought to be waning and waxing variants of these two. As a matter of fact, some believe that Grave's and Hashi's are simply variants of each other, just with different antibodies, and a couple of those antibodies can be common to both. You won't know until you have the antibodies tests run. Hashimoto's > > When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it sounded > like I have Hashimoto's. > > I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree.. > > > > Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However, > the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weight > gain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair, > constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter > (enlargement of the thyroid gland). > > I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyone > else is cold. > > I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D. > > I have only had two periods in the last two years. > > > > Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Before the gland in Hashi's dies, it can have major swings from hypo to hyper to normal and back again. More extensive reading on it will bring this to light for you. The symptoms you gave are PART of a list of symptoms for hypothyroidism, which is what will eventually happen with Hashi's. Hashi's has a long ongoing history in a person and is never completely cured, only tried to control with thyroid hormone. The autoantibodies are what cause the exaccerbations back and forth at certain thyroid receptor sites. Hashi's is a very detailed confusing thyroid disorder. I have it myself, and my presentation with it yrs ago was a very hyperthyroid stage, before it was under massive destruction from the autoantibodies. It is the most common cause of thyroid disease, with Grave's coming in second. There are other forms of the thyroid disorders, but some are thought to be waning and waxing variants of these two. As a matter of fact, some believe that Grave's and Hashi's are simply variants of each other, just with different antibodies, and a couple of those antibodies can be common to both. You won't know until you have the antibodies tests run. Hashimoto's > > When I first joined this group last week, someone suggested that it sounded > like I have Hashimoto's. > > I looked up the symptoms and have to disagree.. > > > > Some patients with Hashimoto's Thyroiditis may have no symptoms. However, > the common symptoms are fatigue, depression, and sensitivity to cold, weight > gain, muscle weakness, coarsening of the skin, dry or brittle hair, > constipation, muscle cramps, increased menstrual flow, and goiter > (enlargement of the thyroid gland). > > I am not sensitive to cold, in fact I am hot most of the time while everyone > else is cold. > > I am not constipated..but that is due to the fact that I have IBS-D. > > I have only had two periods in the last two years. > > > > Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Yeh, and you know the weird part? I can tolerate NEITHER extreme of cold or heat. Any change in the temp outside, if it is humid and hot, I can't tolerate that. If it's too cold, I can't tolerate that. When we were recently in the 20s here on the Gulf Coast, I was tolerating it better than in the past 10 yrs (more proper treatment), so I can't immagine what that would have been like just a yr or two ago (we rarely get that cold, plus a half ft of snow, to boot, lol!). During the time that I believe that the thyroid disease started, I have had trouble even tolerating 80 degree weather, with the kind of humidity we've had down here, then cold weather, the same thing, with the dampness. I can remember just 12 short yrs ago, I LOVED the cold weather, but liked to bask in the sun also. Now they're both a nightmare. I think that the hypothalamus does this gyration back and forth too, in this disease, since it's actually our body temp sensor for this. Schiz! and can't really keep up with the difference any more, so I believe that this organ is VERY affected by any thyroid disease, depending on how much damage was done all over the body. Since the production of the thyroid hormone is never again what it was before, we have to depend on upping and lowering our extra hormone we're taking, and that isn't perfect because we can't go perfectly up and down on it the way a healthy brain structure used to be able to do, giving all the right signals and timing between each organ involved. This is something that has been SO hard for me to accept, that I may feel better and better, but it will never be perfect again. Lamentations, lol! Re: Hashimoto's Angel, First, it's good to question, it's good to research. It's good to never just sit back and let others decide for you.... But I'd like to share some of the things that we've learned here, through first hand experience and through research.... Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves auto antibodies that attack the thyroid gland with the ultimate intent of totally destroying it... As antibody levels increase and the attack on the thyroid gland increases more of the gland is destroyed and it's production drops... as the production drops the antibody levels drop. As the antibody levels drop the thyroid starts to pick up production, less than before the last attack, but enough to trigger an increase in the level of the antibodies which then renew their attack on the thyroid gland. The cycle between higher and lower levels of thyroid hormone can vary, from days to weeks to months to years - depending on many factors. For some the thyroid gland dies in a relatively short period of time, for others it may continue to sputter back and forth for the person's lifetime. It's all very individual. The only way to know for sure if you are dealing with an auto immune form of thyroid disease is to test for antibodies. And even with testing, depending at which stage of attack is in effect that test could actually show normal levels, if the symptoms are there that means repeated testing to see if the antibody levels fluctuate. I've been both hyper and hypo and have always been heat sensitive, not every one is the same. I know hyper folks that are heavy and hypo folks that are slender.. there is a propensity toward certain symptoms being 'classic indicators' of either hyper or hypo but, again, it varies from individual to individual and when antibodies are involved can change in the same person depending on the cyclical nature of the antibody levels. Hyper, in me, meant no periods. Hypo in me meant a return of my periods. When my thyroid med doses were low, or non existent my periods were irregular. By calendar and by flow. As my meds and hormone levels were optimized my periods became VERY regular.... ... for others that is also different... so again, the only way to be sure is to have your blood levels tested. And that means more than just TSH, you need to have the antibodies tested as well as the available thyroid hormone, Free T4 and Free T3. TSH alone doesn't tell enough to let you know what is going on with your thyroid health. You may chose to have the proper tests taken.. or may not. Only you can decide which direction you want to go.. either way.. we'll be here.... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Yeh, and you know the weird part? I can tolerate NEITHER extreme of cold or heat. Any change in the temp outside, if it is humid and hot, I can't tolerate that. If it's too cold, I can't tolerate that. When we were recently in the 20s here on the Gulf Coast, I was tolerating it better than in the past 10 yrs (more proper treatment), so I can't immagine what that would have been like just a yr or two ago (we rarely get that cold, plus a half ft of snow, to boot, lol!). During the time that I believe that the thyroid disease started, I have had trouble even tolerating 80 degree weather, with the kind of humidity we've had down here, then cold weather, the same thing, with the dampness. I can remember just 12 short yrs ago, I LOVED the cold weather, but liked to bask in the sun also. Now they're both a nightmare. I think that the hypothalamus does this gyration back and forth too, in this disease, since it's actually our body temp sensor for this. Schiz! and can't really keep up with the difference any more, so I believe that this organ is VERY affected by any thyroid disease, depending on how much damage was done all over the body. Since the production of the thyroid hormone is never again what it was before, we have to depend on upping and lowering our extra hormone we're taking, and that isn't perfect because we can't go perfectly up and down on it the way a healthy brain structure used to be able to do, giving all the right signals and timing between each organ involved. This is something that has been SO hard for me to accept, that I may feel better and better, but it will never be perfect again. Lamentations, lol! Re: Hashimoto's Angel, First, it's good to question, it's good to research. It's good to never just sit back and let others decide for you.... But I'd like to share some of the things that we've learned here, through first hand experience and through research.... Hashimoto's thyroiditis involves auto antibodies that attack the thyroid gland with the ultimate intent of totally destroying it... As antibody levels increase and the attack on the thyroid gland increases more of the gland is destroyed and it's production drops... as the production drops the antibody levels drop. As the antibody levels drop the thyroid starts to pick up production, less than before the last attack, but enough to trigger an increase in the level of the antibodies which then renew their attack on the thyroid gland. The cycle between higher and lower levels of thyroid hormone can vary, from days to weeks to months to years - depending on many factors. For some the thyroid gland dies in a relatively short period of time, for others it may continue to sputter back and forth for the person's lifetime. It's all very individual. The only way to know for sure if you are dealing with an auto immune form of thyroid disease is to test for antibodies. And even with testing, depending at which stage of attack is in effect that test could actually show normal levels, if the symptoms are there that means repeated testing to see if the antibody levels fluctuate. I've been both hyper and hypo and have always been heat sensitive, not every one is the same. I know hyper folks that are heavy and hypo folks that are slender.. there is a propensity toward certain symptoms being 'classic indicators' of either hyper or hypo but, again, it varies from individual to individual and when antibodies are involved can change in the same person depending on the cyclical nature of the antibody levels. Hyper, in me, meant no periods. Hypo in me meant a return of my periods. When my thyroid med doses were low, or non existent my periods were irregular. By calendar and by flow. As my meds and hormone levels were optimized my periods became VERY regular.... ... for others that is also different... so again, the only way to be sure is to have your blood levels tested. And that means more than just TSH, you need to have the antibodies tested as well as the available thyroid hormone, Free T4 and Free T3. TSH alone doesn't tell enough to let you know what is going on with your thyroid health. You may chose to have the proper tests taken.. or may not. Only you can decide which direction you want to go.. either way.. we'll be here.... Topper () Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 if a person has hashimoto's and an RT3 problem can they too benefit from the T3 therapy...i am wondering because if the T4 levels are what trigger the TSH and stimulate the thyroid wouldnt the antibodies tend to rise due to the stimulation or will the T3 therapy suppress the TSH as well?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 T3 actually supresses TSH even better than T4. I have Hashi's and 0 antibodies and have been on T3 onyl for about 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 T3 actually supresses TSH even better than T4. I have Hashi's and 0 antibodies and have been on T3 onyl for about 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 T3 actually supresses TSH even better than T4. I have Hashi's and 0 antibodies and have been on T3 onyl for about 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 cool i did not know that..so how often do people need to dose the T3? and is the time release T3 any good or acceptable? this would work better for her since she is in high school...and before we even consider this we need to make sure we test her salivary cortisol correct?? and do you recommend testing that at canary? and since she is currently on NT do you ever just add a bit of T3 to mix and see improvement?? To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:12:00 AMSubject: Re: hashimoto's T3 actually supresses TSH even better than T4. I have Hashi's and 0 antibodies and have been on T3 onyl for about 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 T3 is best dosed at leasy twice a day to four times a day if there is ANY adrnela issues, yes it is best to test a saliva cortiosl test. Canary is fine if you use the ZRT optin.. too many oflks had troubel wiht Diagnos Techs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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