Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I was just thinking about you Kate, how is it going? Any news? Remember the CPS people don't (usually) WANT to take kids away, they WANT to make families whole. HUGS   ~*~ Akiba~*~ ~*~Pragmatic Visionary~*~ The World revolves aroung the Sun My World revolves around My Son When I grow up I want to be a philanthropist Beautiful Salt lamps and Salt products: http://www.affiliates-natural-salt-lamps.com/pages/156.php -- RE: for Kate Oh, hon, I know how you feel (once Dear Daughter discovered CPS, she used it as a weapon until she was so old they laughed at her). Try and be open and cooperative, explain what you're doing to get help and keep everyone safe. Praying for you all.T in WY"You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.comhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancieshttp://practical-blackwork.tripod.com -----Original Message-----From: MSersLife [mailto:MSersLife ] On Behalf Of katelloydkidzoptonline (DOT) netSent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:26 AMTo: MSersLife Subject: Re: for KateThank you n for understanding. I am inpanic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS'sarrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately,I have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love you n, Kate for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through Child> > > ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling, although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any kind is obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And, this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > I would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, with the child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > > psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close and still are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time> > > and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist> > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like easier for the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed. Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the younger one!> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 {{{{{Big Hugzzz}}}} Kate,I am so sorry you have to go through this. Im sure the lady will come and see what a great mom you are and how well taken care of the kids are and maybe recomend some treatment options for your son. Case closed! Maybe a follow up appt or 2 but im sure everything will be fine. Im so so sorry. To you and the kids. Lots of hugz I texed ur phone but text me or call me if you need anything or to talk k. Luv u lots and hang n there k. hugzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Re: for Kate Thank you n for understanding. I am in panic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS's arrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately, I have a woman from my church coming to support me...love you n, Kate for Kate & gt; & gt; To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You do not want to take the risk of real injury & gt; & gt; & gt; occurring and you and your husband losing & gt; & gt; & gt; all the children to foster care through Child & gt; & gt; & gt; ren's Protective Services. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You might start with counseling, although & gt; & gt; & gt; you have to realize that any counselor of & gt; & gt; & gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury & gt; & gt; & gt; or danger of injury to another child to & gt; & gt; & gt; your state's Children's Protective Service. & gt; & gt; & gt; And, this does apply to school counselors, & gt; & gt; & gt; Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists, & gt; & gt; & gt; psychiatrists, the works. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I would start with counselling, to include the & gt; & gt; & gt; whole family, with the child who is violent or & gt; & gt; & gt; who is threatening violence to have individual & gt; & gt; & gt; counselling as well--perhaps with a separate & gt; & gt; & gt; psychotherapist. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have dealt with this in our family when our & gt; & gt; & gt; second daughter, at about age five, actually & gt; & gt; & gt; tried to choke her younger sister! (They were & gt; & gt; & gt; actually very close and still are.) It worked. & gt; & gt; & gt; We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time & gt; & gt; & gt; and there was no additional cost, which cer & gt; & gt; & gt; tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with & gt; & gt; & gt; the daughter who had attempted to choke her & gt; & gt; & gt; younger sister (who knocked the attacker to & gt; & gt; & gt; the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the & gt; & gt; & gt; attacker no end of tasks to make life easier & gt; & gt; & gt; for the younger sister, and our family therapist & gt; & gt; & gt; assigned the younger one no end of tasks to & gt; & gt; & gt; make like easier for the eld er sibling. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We were very fortunate and all worked out well. & gt; & gt; & gt; However, had a weapon been involved, I think & gt; & gt; & gt; that I would not have objected to more strenuous & gt; & gt; & gt; methods being employed. Our children were five & gt; & gt; & gt; and two and one-half when this occurred, and the & gt; & gt; & gt; younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest & gt; & gt; & gt; was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would & gt; & gt; & gt; do ANYthing for the younger one! & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Love to you, Kate, & gt; & gt; & gt; n & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 {{{{{Big Hugzzz}}}} Kate,I am so sorry you have to go through this. Im sure the lady will come and see what a great mom you are and how well taken care of the kids are and maybe recomend some treatment options for your son. Case closed! Maybe a follow up appt or 2 but im sure everything will be fine. Im so so sorry. To you and the kids. Lots of hugz I texed ur phone but text me or call me if you need anything or to talk k. Luv u lots and hang n there k. hugzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Re: for Kate Thank you n for understanding. I am in panic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS's arrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately, I have a woman from my church coming to support me...love you n, Kate for Kate & gt; & gt; To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You do not want to take the risk of real injury & gt; & gt; & gt; occurring and you and your husband losing & gt; & gt; & gt; all the children to foster care through Child & gt; & gt; & gt; ren's Protective Services. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You might start with counseling, although & gt; & gt; & gt; you have to realize that any counselor of & gt; & gt; & gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury & gt; & gt; & gt; or danger of injury to another child to & gt; & gt; & gt; your state's Children's Protective Service. & gt; & gt; & gt; And, this does apply to school counselors, & gt; & gt; & gt; Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists, & gt; & gt; & gt; psychiatrists, the works. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I would start with counselling, to include the & gt; & gt; & gt; whole family, with the child who is violent or & gt; & gt; & gt; who is threatening violence to have individual & gt; & gt; & gt; counselling as well--perhaps with a separate & gt; & gt; & gt; psychotherapist. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have dealt with this in our family when our & gt; & gt; & gt; second daughter, at about age five, actually & gt; & gt; & gt; tried to choke her younger sister! (They were & gt; & gt; & gt; actually very close and still are.) It worked. & gt; & gt; & gt; We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time & gt; & gt; & gt; and there was no additional cost, which cer & gt; & gt; & gt; tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with & gt; & gt; & gt; the daughter who had attempted to choke her & gt; & gt; & gt; younger sister (who knocked the attacker to & gt; & gt; & gt; the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the & gt; & gt; & gt; attacker no end of tasks to make life easier & gt; & gt; & gt; for the younger sister, and our family therapist & gt; & gt; & gt; assigned the younger one no end of tasks to & gt; & gt; & gt; make like easier for the eld er sibling. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We were very fortunate and all worked out well. & gt; & gt; & gt; However, had a weapon been involved, I think & gt; & gt; & gt; that I would not have objected to more strenuous & gt; & gt; & gt; methods being employed. Our children were five & gt; & gt; & gt; and two and one-half when this occurred, and the & gt; & gt; & gt; younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest & gt; & gt; & gt; was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would & gt; & gt; & gt; do ANYthing for the younger one! & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Love to you, Kate, & gt; & gt; & gt; n & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 {{{{{Big Hugzzz}}}} Kate,I am so sorry you have to go through this. Im sure the lady will come and see what a great mom you are and how well taken care of the kids are and maybe recomend some treatment options for your son. Case closed! Maybe a follow up appt or 2 but im sure everything will be fine. Im so so sorry. To you and the kids. Lots of hugz I texed ur phone but text me or call me if you need anything or to talk k. Luv u lots and hang n there k. hugzzzzzzzzzzzz.... Re: for Kate Thank you n for understanding. I am in panic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS's arrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately, I have a woman from my church coming to support me...love you n, Kate for Kate & gt; & gt; To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You do not want to take the risk of real injury & gt; & gt; & gt; occurring and you and your husband losing & gt; & gt; & gt; all the children to foster care through Child & gt; & gt; & gt; ren's Protective Services. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You might start with counseling, although & gt; & gt; & gt; you have to realize that any counselor of & gt; & gt; & gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury & gt; & gt; & gt; or danger of injury to another child to & gt; & gt; & gt; your state's Children's Protective Service. & gt; & gt; & gt; And, this does apply to school counselors, & gt; & gt; & gt; Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists, & gt; & gt; & gt; psychiatrists, the works. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I would start with counselling, to include the & gt; & gt; & gt; whole family, with the child who is violent or & gt; & gt; & gt; who is threatening violence to have individual & gt; & gt; & gt; counselling as well--perhaps with a separate & gt; & gt; & gt; psychotherapist. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have dealt with this in our family when our & gt; & gt; & gt; second daughter, at about age five, actually & gt; & gt; & gt; tried to choke her younger sister! (They were & gt; & gt; & gt; actually very close and still are.) It worked. & gt; & gt; & gt; We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time & gt; & gt; & gt; and there was no additional cost, which cer & gt; & gt; & gt; tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with & gt; & gt; & gt; the daughter who had attempted to choke her & gt; & gt; & gt; younger sister (who knocked the attacker to & gt; & gt; & gt; the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the & gt; & gt; & gt; attacker no end of tasks to make life easier & gt; & gt; & gt; for the younger sister, and our family therapist & gt; & gt; & gt; assigned the younger one no end of tasks to & gt; & gt; & gt; make like easier for the eld er sibling. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We were very fortunate and all worked out well. & gt; & gt; & gt; However, had a weapon been involved, I think & gt; & gt; & gt; that I would not have objected to more strenuous & gt; & gt; & gt; methods being employed. Our children were five & gt; & gt; & gt; and two and one-half when this occurred, and the & gt; & gt; & gt; younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest & gt; & gt; & gt; was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would & gt; & gt; & gt; do ANYthing for the younger one! & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Love to you, Kate, & gt; & gt; & gt; n & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Oh, hon, I know how you feel (once Dear Daughter discovered CPS, she used it as a weapon until she was so old they laughed at her). Try and be open and cooperative, explain what you're doing to get help and keep everyone safe. Praying for you all. T in WY " You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... " http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies http://practical-blackwork.tripod.com Re: for Kate Thank you n for understanding. I am in panic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS's arrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately, I have a woman from my church coming to support me...love you n, Kate for Kate > > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury > > > occurring and you and your husband losing > > > all the children to foster care through Child > > > ren's Protective Services. > > > > > > You might start with counseling, although > > > you have to realize that any counselor of > > > any kind is obliged to report actual injury > > > or danger of injury to another child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service. > > > And, this does apply to school counselors, > > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists, > > > psychiatrists, the works. > > > > > > I would start with counselling, to include the > > > whole family, with the child who is violent or > > > who is threatening violence to have individual > > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > > psychotherapist. > > > > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our > > > second daughter, at about age five, actually > > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were > > > actually very close and still are.) It worked. > > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time > > > and there was no additional cost, which cer > > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with > > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her > > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the > > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier > > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist > > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to > > > make like easier for the elder sibling. > > > > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well. > > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think > > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous > > > methods being employed. Our children were five > > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the > > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor. > > > > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest > > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would > > > do ANYthing for the younger one! > > > > > > Love to you, Kate, > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Oh, hon, I know how you feel (once Dear Daughter discovered CPS, she used it as a weapon until she was so old they laughed at her). Try and be open and cooperative, explain what you're doing to get help and keep everyone safe. Praying for you all. T in WY " You get a wonderful view from the point of no return... " http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies http://practical-blackwork.tripod.com Re: for Kate Thank you n for understanding. I am in panic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS's arrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately, I have a woman from my church coming to support me...love you n, Kate for Kate > > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury > > > occurring and you and your husband losing > > > all the children to foster care through Child > > > ren's Protective Services. > > > > > > You might start with counseling, although > > > you have to realize that any counselor of > > > any kind is obliged to report actual injury > > > or danger of injury to another child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service. > > > And, this does apply to school counselors, > > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists, > > > psychiatrists, the works. > > > > > > I would start with counselling, to include the > > > whole family, with the child who is violent or > > > who is threatening violence to have individual > > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > > psychotherapist. > > > > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our > > > second daughter, at about age five, actually > > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were > > > actually very close and still are.) It worked. > > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time > > > and there was no additional cost, which cer > > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with > > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her > > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the > > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier > > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist > > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to > > > make like easier for the elder sibling. > > > > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well. > > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think > > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous > > > methods being employed. Our children were five > > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the > > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor. > > > > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest > > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would > > > do ANYthing for the younger one! > > > > > > Love to you, Kate, > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Sorry to hear about this! I am hoping that the CPS people are the kind that are willing to work with you and your family to reach a solution (I would say most of them are, but of course there are always rotten apples, or rotten eggs as the saying goes in Swedish, in any basket), and that you can find the help your son needs to deal with his anger issues. Do let us know how things work out for you!love/Reb>> Thank you n for understanding. I am inpanic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS'sarrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately,I have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love you n, Kate for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through Child> > > ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling, although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any kind is obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And, this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > I would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, with the child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > > psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close and still are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time> > > and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist> > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like easier for the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed. Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the younger one!> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Sorry to hear about this! I am hoping that the CPS people are the kind that are willing to work with you and your family to reach a solution (I would say most of them are, but of course there are always rotten apples, or rotten eggs as the saying goes in Swedish, in any basket), and that you can find the help your son needs to deal with his anger issues. Do let us know how things work out for you!love/Reb>> Thank you n for understanding. I am inpanic mode now, as I am awaiting CPS'sarrival at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately,I have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love you n, Kate for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through Child> > > ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling, although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any kind is obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And, this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > I would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, with the child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > > psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close and still are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time> > > and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist> > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like easier for the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed. Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the younger one!> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I'm tryin to hang in there Cassy.Family therapy is being recommended.The case worker from CPS thinks myson's and other kids' anger may stemfrom not having dad available, and mehaving MS...CPS is going to makebimonthly visits which is freaking outmy 12 year old terribly. Got your text;I'll try to text you soon, I'm just challengedin that regard! love you bunches also Cassy,and all here, Kate for Kate> > > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > >> > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury> > > > occurring and you and your husband losing> > > > all the children to foster care through Child> > > > ren's Protective Services.> > > >> > > > You might start with counseling, although> > > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > & > gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury> > > > or danger of injury to another child to> > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > > And, this does apply to school counselors,> > > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists,> > > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > >> > > > I would start with counselling, to include the> > > > whole family, with the child who is violent or> > > > who is threatening violence to have individual> > > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate> > > > psychotherapist.> > > >> > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our> > > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were> > > > actually very close and still are.) It worked.> > > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time> > > > and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with> > > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her> > > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to> > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the> > > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier> > > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist> > > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > > make like easier for the eld> er sibling.> > > >> > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well.> > > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous> > > > methods being employed. Our children were five> > > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the> > > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > >> > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would> > > > do ANYthing for the younger one!> > > >> > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > > n> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 This is a good recommendation, its the best for your family. I hope that dad will realize his role model in the family. I hope that everything will be better together with family therapy. You see, it wasn't as bad as you thought it to be. They only come to help you to resolve this problem. Hugs & prayers coming your way, Nukhet Subject: Re: for KateTo: MSersLife Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 2:43 PM I'm tryin to hang in there Cassy.Family therapy is being recommended.The case worker from CPS thinks myson's and other kids' anger may stemfrom not having dad available, and mehaving MS...CPS is going to makebimonthly visits which is freaking outmy 12 year old terribly. Got your text;I'll try to text you soon, I'm just challengedin that regard! love you bunches also Cassy,and all here, Kate for Kate> > > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > >> > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury> > > > occurring and you and your husband losing> > > > all the children to foster care through Child> > > > ren's Protective Services.> > > >> > > > You might start with counseling, although> > > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > & > gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury> > > > or danger of injury to another child to> > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > > And, this does apply to school counselors,> > > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists,> > > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > >> > > > I would start with counselling, to include the> > > > whole family, with the child who is violent or> > > > who is threatening violence to have individual> > > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate> > > > psychotherapist.> > > >> > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our> > > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were> > > > actually very close and still are.) It worked.> > > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time> > > > and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with> > > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her> > > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to> > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the> > > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier> > > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist> > > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > > make like easier for the eld> er sibling.> > > >> > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well.> > > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous> > > > methods being employed. Our children were five> > > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the> > > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > >> > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would> > > > do ANYthing for the younger one!> > > >> > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > > n> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi Kate! Oh. What a relief! So sorry. Dont worry and tell the kids not to worry,everything is going to be fine. I know its scary,some stranger coming out and asking questions,is a lil much for anyone so can only imagine how kids feel. Dont worry about text im just glad you are ok and the kids are too. I was so relieved to wake up and see you emailed. Hang in there guys. Give kids hugzz 4 me. Luv u all bunches! Re: for Kate I'm tryinto hang in there Cassy. Family therapy is being recommended. The case worker from CPSthinks my son's and other kids' anger may stem from not having dad available, and me having MS...CPSis going to make bimonthly visits which is freakingout my 12 year old terribly. Got your text; I'll try to text you soon, I'm just challenged in that regard! love you bunches also Cassy, and all here, Kate for Kate & gt; & gt; & gt; To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You do not want20to take the risk of real injury & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; occurring and you and your husband losing & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; all the children to foster care through Child & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ren's Protective Services. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; You might start with counseling, although & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; you have to realize that any counselor of & gt; & gt; & gt; & & gt; gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; or danger of injury to another child to & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; your state's Children's Protective Service. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; And, this does apply to school counselors, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; psychiatrists, the works. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I would start with counselling, to include the & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; whole family, with the child who is violent or & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; who is threatening violence to have individual & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; counselling as well--perhaps with a separate & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; psychotherapist. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We have dealt with this in our family when our & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; second daughter, at about age five, actually & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; tried to choke her younger sister! (They were & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; actually very close and still are.) It worked. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; and there was no additional cost, which c er & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; the daughter who had attempted to choke her & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; younger sister (who knocked the attacker to & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; attacker no end of tasks to make life easier & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; for the younger sister, and our family therapist & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; assigned the younger one no end of tasks to & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; make like easier for the eld & gt; er sibling. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; We were very fortunate and all worked out well. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; However, had a weapon been involved, I think & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; that I would not have objected to more strenuous & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; methods being employed. Our children were five & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; and two and one-half when this occurred, and the & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; do ANYthing for the younger one! & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Love to you, Kate, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; n & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;0D & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Thank you, Nukhet. I hope everyone will take their collective headsout of the sand...as that is what everyone but me has been doingfor years, and finally attack the problems at hand...love to you,Kate for Kate> > > > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > >> > > > > You do not want to take the risk of real injury> > > > > occurring and you and your husband losing> > > > > all the children to foster care through Child> > > > > ren's Protective Services.> > > > >> > > > > You might start with counseling, although> > > > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > > & > > gt; any kind is obliged to report actual injury> > > > > or danger of injury to another child to> > > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > > > And, this does apply to school counselors,> > > > > Marriage and Family counselors, psychologists,> > > > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > >> > > > > I would start with counselling, to include the> > > > > whole family, with the child who is violent or> > > > > who is threatening violence to have individual> > > > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate> > > > > psychotherapist.> > > > >> > > > > We have dealt with this in our family when our> > > > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > > > tried to choke her younger sister! (They were> > > > > actually very close and still are.) It worked.> > > > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the time> > > > > and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > > tainly did help. The psychologist dealing with> > > > > the daughter who had attempted to choke her> > > > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to> > > > > the floor--no weapons involved) assigned the> > > > > attacker no end of tasks to make life easier> > > > > for the younger sister, and our family therapist> > > > > assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > > > make like easier for the eld> > er sibling.> > > > >> > > > > We were very fortunate and all worked out well.> > > > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > > that I would not have objected to more strenuous> > > > > methods being employed. Our children were five> > > > > and two and one-half when this occurred, and the> > > > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > >> > > > > Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > > > was, and still is. To this day, the elder one would> > > > > do ANYthing for the younger one!> > > > >> > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > > > n> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thank you for your kind words, Reb. The woman,Sharon, who is our case worker, is very nice;we are blessed. She wants us to remain intact,and wants us to work towards family therapyand possible parenting classes. I don't know howthis will all work out, as my husband is not alwayswilling to listen and cooperate. He thinks thingslike therapy are a waste of time and $$, so hecan be a boulder in the way.love, Kate> for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close > and still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the > time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did > help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family > therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thank you for your kind words, Reb. The woman,Sharon, who is our case worker, is very nice;we are blessed. She wants us to remain intact,and wants us to work towards family therapyand possible parenting classes. I don't know howthis will all work out, as my husband is not alwayswilling to listen and cooperate. He thinks thingslike therapy are a waste of time and $$, so hecan be a boulder in the way.love, Kate> for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close > and still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the > time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did > help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family > therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thank you for your kind words, Reb. The woman,Sharon, who is our case worker, is very nice;we are blessed. She wants us to remain intact,and wants us to work towards family therapyand possible parenting classes. I don't know howthis will all work out, as my husband is not alwayswilling to listen and cooperate. He thinks thingslike therapy are a waste of time and $$, so hecan be a boulder in the way.love, Kate> for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close > and still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the > time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did > help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family > therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 My dad is a psychotherapist, so I guess I've always had a rather relaxed view of that. When you need it you need it, simple as that. But I know it's a scary thing for many, and perhaps especially for men, I am thinking a lot of excuses like "waste of money", "don't believe in that" etc., can be a cover for fear of therapy and fear of psychological issues. Of course, hiding your real reasons behind others that sound more acceptable (and more manly, perhaps) doesn't really help communication, or cooperation, in a relationship... But, maybe if you are aware that inside that stubborn boulder could be a very scared little boy you may be able to find ways to work around that. Not that it SHOULD be all up to you, that's really not what I am saying at all, but sometimes life doesn't operate according to that perfect blueprint, and that's when we need to decide on how to deal with it in a realistic way. Just thinking out loud, really. But wishing you and your family the best!love/Reb> >> > Thank you n for understanding. I am inpanic�mode now, as > I am> awaiting CPS'sarrival�at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately,I> have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love you n,> Kate> for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close > and still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the > time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did > help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family > therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 My dad is a psychotherapist, so I guess I've always had a rather relaxed view of that. When you need it you need it, simple as that. But I know it's a scary thing for many, and perhaps especially for men, I am thinking a lot of excuses like "waste of money", "don't believe in that" etc., can be a cover for fear of therapy and fear of psychological issues. Of course, hiding your real reasons behind others that sound more acceptable (and more manly, perhaps) doesn't really help communication, or cooperation, in a relationship... But, maybe if you are aware that inside that stubborn boulder could be a very scared little boy you may be able to find ways to work around that. Not that it SHOULD be all up to you, that's really not what I am saying at all, but sometimes life doesn't operate according to that perfect blueprint, and that's when we need to decide on how to deal with it in a realistic way. Just thinking out loud, really. But wishing you and your family the best!love/Reb> >> > Thank you n for understanding. I am inpanic�mode now, as > I am> awaiting CPS'sarrival�at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately,I> have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love you n,> Kate> for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close > and still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the > time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did > help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family > therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 My dad is a psychotherapist, so I guess I've always had a rather relaxed view of that. When you need it you need it, simple as that. But I know it's a scary thing for many, and perhaps especially for men, I am thinking a lot of excuses like "waste of money", "don't believe in that" etc., can be a cover for fear of therapy and fear of psychological issues. Of course, hiding your real reasons behind others that sound more acceptable (and more manly, perhaps) doesn't really help communication, or cooperation, in a relationship... But, maybe if you are aware that inside that stubborn boulder could be a very scared little boy you may be able to find ways to work around that. Not that it SHOULD be all up to you, that's really not what I am saying at all, but sometimes life doesn't operate according to that perfect blueprint, and that's when we need to decide on how to deal with it in a realistic way. Just thinking out loud, really. But wishing you and your family the best!love/Reb> >> > Thank you n for understanding. I am inpanic�mode now, as > I am> awaiting CPS'sarrival�at anytime within the next hour. Fortunately,I> have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love you n,> Kate> for Kate> > To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to take the risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband losing> > > all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > you have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> obliged to report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child to > > > your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors, psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very close > and still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at the > time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > tainly did > help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had attempted to choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the attacker to > > > the > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our family > therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very fortunate and all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon been involved, I think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this day, the elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > Love to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 sorry about not responding on a lot of things hot humid weather Reb you got it right - inside are a lot of frighted insecure kids that lash our or stay in their caves dues to trust issues they aren't broke - you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 sorry about not responding on a lot of things hot humid weather Reb you got it right - inside are a lot of frighted insecure kids that lash our or stay in their caves dues to trust issues they aren't broke - you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Oh, I had no idea you dad is a therapist, Reb; that is veryinteresting and must have been so growing up as well.I appreciate your post. You have hit the nail on the headin terms of the 'manly' thing. I think too that most menjust want to 'fix things' and if they can't right away, theyusually feel like failures. I think this also might be part ofmy husband's experience as well. There is basically nocommunication between me and my husband. I hopetherapy, if I can coax him into it, will open the door...Thanks again. Love, Kate> for > Kate> >> To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to > take the> risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband > losing> > >> all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective> Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > > you> have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> > obliged to> report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child > to > > >> your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply> to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors,> psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would> start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the>> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have>> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >>> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family> when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried> to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very > close > and> still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at > the >> time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > tainly did >> help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had > attemptedto choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the > attacker to > > > the> > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of> tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our > family >> therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make> like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very > fortunateand all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon > been involved, I> think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > >> methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and> one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the> elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the> youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this > day, the> elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > > Love> to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Oh, I had no idea you dad is a therapist, Reb; that is veryinteresting and must have been so growing up as well.I appreciate your post. You have hit the nail on the headin terms of the 'manly' thing. I think too that most menjust want to 'fix things' and if they can't right away, theyusually feel like failures. I think this also might be part ofmy husband's experience as well. There is basically nocommunication between me and my husband. I hopetherapy, if I can coax him into it, will open the door...Thanks again. Love, Kate> for > Kate> >> To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to > take the> risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband > losing> > >> all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective> Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > > you> have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> > obliged to> report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child > to > > >> your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply> to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors,> psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would> start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the>> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have>> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >>> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family> when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried> to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very > close > and> still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at > the >> time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > tainly did >> help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had > attemptedto choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the > attacker to > > > the> > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of> tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our > family >> therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make> like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very > fortunateand all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon > been involved, I> think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > >> methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and> one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the> elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the> youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this > day, the> elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > > Love> to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Oh, I had no idea you dad is a therapist, Reb; that is veryinteresting and must have been so growing up as well.I appreciate your post. You have hit the nail on the headin terms of the 'manly' thing. I think too that most menjust want to 'fix things' and if they can't right away, theyusually feel like failures. I think this also might be part ofmy husband's experience as well. There is basically nocommunication between me and my husband. I hopetherapy, if I can coax him into it, will open the door...Thanks again. Love, Kate> for > Kate> >> To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to > take the> risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband > losing> > >> all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective> Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > > you> have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> > obliged to> report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child > to > > >> your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply> to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors,> psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would> start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the>> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have>> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >>> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family> when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried> to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very > close > and> still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at > the >> time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > tainly did >> help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had > attemptedto choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the > attacker to > > > the> > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of> tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our > family >> therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make> like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very > fortunateand all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon > been involved, I> think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > >> methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and> one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the> elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the> youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this > day, the> elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > > Love> to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Yes, it was. He was one of the first in Sweden to do hypnotherapy (hypnosis used in therapy), and he did a lot of education of others. Held seminars and the such. And as a kid I used to go with him, some times, when he was going somewhere to give a lecture, hold a workshop or something like that. It was exciting listening to him, although I hardly understood everything (I remember, for instance, once when I was about 4 years old and listened to a lecture he gave, where he used his coffee mug to illustrate something else, I don't remember the reasoning at all, but I remember that he used the phrase "this is a coffee mug", and that I felt a little embarrassed that he would tell the listeners something I was sure they already knew...a 4 year old really does take everything literally...). And it was interesting getting to meet all his international colleagues as well. Once he had a colleague from London over for dinner. I must have been 8 or 9 then because I knew how to speak English, but wasn't too comfortable doing it. So when dad's colleague turned to me and asked "Do you speak English?", I wanted to convince him that I didn't, so I wouldn't have to, but in the same time I wanted to be polite. My reply: "No, I am really sorry, but I don't." For some reason, he didn't believe me... love/Reb > >> > > Thank you> n for understanding. I am inpanic�mode now, as > I am>> awaiting CPS'sarrival�at anytime within the next hour.> Fortunately,I> have a woman from my church coming to supportme...love> you n,> Kate> for > Kate> >> To: MSersLife@yahoogrou ps.com> > > > > You > do not> want to > take the> risk of real injury> > > occurring and you and your> husband > losing> > >> all the children to foster care through > Child> > >> ren's Protective> Services.> > > > > > You might start with counseling,> although> > > > you> have to realize that any counselor of> > > any > kind is> > obliged to> report actual injury> > > or danger of injury to another> child > to > > >> your state's Children's Protective Service.> > > And,> this does apply> to school counselors,> > > Marriage and Family> counselors,> psychologists,> > > psychiatrists, the works.> > > > > > > I> would> start with counselling, to include the> > > whole family, > with the>> child who is violent or> > > who is threatening violence to have>> individual> > > counselling as well--perhaps with a separate > > >>> psychotherapist.> > > > > > We have dealt with this in our > family> when> our> > > second daughter, at about age five, actually> > > tried> to> choke her younger sister! (They were> > > actually very > close > and> still> are.) It worked.> > > We belonged to an HMO, Kaiser, at > the >> time> > >> and there was no additional cost, which cer> > > > tainly did >> help. The> psychologist dealing with> > > the daughter who had > attemptedto choke> her> > > younger sister (who knocked the > attacker to > > > the> > floor--no> weapons involved) assigned the> > > attacker no end of> tasks to make> life easier> > > for the younger sister, and our > family >> therapist> > >> assigned the younger one no end of tasks to> > > make> like > easier for> the elder sibling.> > > > > > We were very > fortunateand all > worked out> well.> > > However, had a weapon > been involved, I> think> > > > that I> would not have objected to more strenuous> > > >> methods being employed.> Our children were five> > > and two and> one-half when this > occurred, and> the> > > younger one knocked the> elder one flat on the floor.> > > > > > >> Amazing how tough the> youngest, and the shortest> > > was, and > still is.> To this > day, the> elder one would> > > do ANYthing for the > younger one!>> > > > > > > Love> to you, Kate,> > > n> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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