Re: detailed poop question

[Guest guest]

Oh good, I'm glad to see that you asked this question. I would love

to find out about this also. I have been on the diet for 2 1/2 weeks

and on Tuesday I went and had a structual integration session (also

known as Rolfing). It's like 1 1/2 hours of deep tissue massage and

works on the outside membranes of the muscles. I know that detox

reactions can result from that also, but just yesterday (the day

after the treatment) I started have the very dark, almost black but

still formed stools (never had a diarrhea problem) yesterday and

still did again this morning. What does the black stool mean?

Thanks,

Liberty

2.5 weeks on SCD (for me)

> Folks,

> What's with the dark stool, almost black at the

beginning?.

> It has been a month and now it is getting a bit better, but is it

a

> good/bad sign? Also, his stools have varied between mashed

potato,

> pebbles and very very soft playdough. We are keeping a journal

but

> we still cannot figure out what causes what. He also has what I

call

> Sunday poop (sorry about that), formed center surrounded by D. His

> diet consists of mostly chicken, beef, acorn, some zuchinni,

cooked

> pear, and acorn fries, and some carrots and celery in the soup.

We

> are introducing butter nut squash today, wish us luck! Also, what

> are the typical number of weeks before we can expect trophies?

>

> txs

>

> 3 1/2 ASD, 5 weeks on SCD

[Guest guest]

I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what is

not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of marbles. I

have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a bad

sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

diagnosed with celiac disease.

[Guest guest]

,

I believe that is considered a form of constipation, from what I recall reading

some months ago on this list. Do you keep a food journal? Maybe you could tie it

to something in particular that he ate the day before?

Patti, mom to Katera, age 7, SCD over one year

----- Original Message -----

I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what is

not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of marbles. I

have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a bad

sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

diagnosed with celiac disease.

[Guest guest]

,

I believe that is considered a form of constipation, from what I recall reading

some months ago on this list. Do you keep a food journal? Maybe you could tie it

to something in particular that he ate the day before?

Patti, mom to Katera, age 7, SCD over one year

----- Original Message -----

I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what is

not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of marbles. I

have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a bad

sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

diagnosed with celiac disease.

[Guest guest]

Well, to answer Liberty's question... Dark stool could be due to

blood (hope not!!!!) or could be something you ate. If you keep up a

food diary, go back and check what you ate the day before or two days

before...

As for the marbles, I have no idea, other than constipation?

Coral

SCD 8 weeks

[Guest guest]

Well, to answer Liberty's question... Dark stool could be due to

blood (hope not!!!!) or could be something you ate. If you keep up a

food diary, go back and check what you ate the day before or two days

before...

As for the marbles, I have no idea, other than constipation?

Coral

SCD 8 weeks

[Guest guest]

OK, now you are scaring me. I also started the homemade yogurt on

Sunday but haven't noticed any symptoms from it. Why now, 2 1/2

weeks into the diet would I suddenly have blood in my stool! Can

anyone tell me if dark stools could be die off or should I go to the

doctor? I have no other symptoms, just a bit fatigued, but from

what I've read on the detox reaction following massages, that could

be expected since I had the deep tissue massage stuff on Tuesday.

Please let me know if anyone else has had dark stools that were just

die off?

Thanks,

Liberty

> Well, to answer Liberty's question... Dark stool could be due to

> blood (hope not!!!!) or could be something you ate. If you keep up

a

> food diary, go back and check what you ate the day before or two

days

> before...

>

> As for the marbles, I have no idea, other than constipation?

>

> Coral

> SCD 8 weeks

[Guest guest]

OK, now you are scaring me. I also started the homemade yogurt on

Sunday but haven't noticed any symptoms from it. Why now, 2 1/2

weeks into the diet would I suddenly have blood in my stool! Can

anyone tell me if dark stools could be die off or should I go to the

doctor? I have no other symptoms, just a bit fatigued, but from

what I've read on the detox reaction following massages, that could

be expected since I had the deep tissue massage stuff on Tuesday.

Please let me know if anyone else has had dark stools that were just

die off?

Thanks,

Liberty

> Well, to answer Liberty's question... Dark stool could be due to

> blood (hope not!!!!) or could be something you ate. If you keep up

a

> food diary, go back and check what you ate the day before or two

days

> before...

>

> As for the marbles, I have no idea, other than constipation?

>

> Coral

> SCD 8 weeks

[Guest guest]

OK, now you are scaring me. I also started the homemade yogurt on

Sunday but haven't noticed any symptoms from it. Why now, 2 1/2

weeks into the diet would I suddenly have blood in my stool! Can

anyone tell me if dark stools could be die off or should I go to the

doctor? I have no other symptoms, just a bit fatigued, but from

what I've read on the detox reaction following massages, that could

be expected since I had the deep tissue massage stuff on Tuesday.

Please let me know if anyone else has had dark stools that were just

die off?

Thanks,

Liberty

> Well, to answer Liberty's question... Dark stool could be due to

> blood (hope not!!!!) or could be something you ate. If you keep up

a

> food diary, go back and check what you ate the day before or two

days

> before...

>

> As for the marbles, I have no idea, other than constipation?

>

> Coral

> SCD 8 weeks

[Guest guest]

" OK, now you are scaring me. I also started the homemade yogurt on

Sunday but haven't noticed any symptoms from it. Why now, 2 1/2

weeks into the diet would I suddenly have blood in my stool! "

I remember that straight after my son started eating nut yoghurt (=

in fact heaps of beneficial bacteria), his poop got darker than ever.

Just want to draw a slightly exotic parallel here. I recently saw a

documentary about animal food. You ab-so-lutely do NOT want to know

what goes into regular animal food. It is total junk (filled with soy

and then that's the best ingredient). With that kind of food, your

animal produces mushy, light coloured poop in HUGE quantities. When

you give your animal food of the better qualities, poop will be

almost black and the quantity substantially less and much more formed.

I was so amazed at the comparisons I could make.

It sounded so familiar.

Marjan

owner of 3 healthy cats & 1 siamese kitten (he produces 'marbles'

and I'm happy about that)

Netherlands

[Guest guest]

" OK, now you are scaring me. I also started the homemade yogurt on

Sunday but haven't noticed any symptoms from it. Why now, 2 1/2

weeks into the diet would I suddenly have blood in my stool! "

I remember that straight after my son started eating nut yoghurt (=

in fact heaps of beneficial bacteria), his poop got darker than ever.

Just want to draw a slightly exotic parallel here. I recently saw a

documentary about animal food. You ab-so-lutely do NOT want to know

what goes into regular animal food. It is total junk (filled with soy

and then that's the best ingredient). With that kind of food, your

animal produces mushy, light coloured poop in HUGE quantities. When

you give your animal food of the better qualities, poop will be

almost black and the quantity substantially less and much more formed.

I was so amazed at the comparisons I could make.

It sounded so familiar.

Marjan

owner of 3 healthy cats & 1 siamese kitten (he produces 'marbles'

and I'm happy about that)

Netherlands

[Guest guest]

Poops that look like rabbit poops or " marbles " as you called it, is

in my experience, indicative of constipation.

> I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what is

> not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of marbles.

I

> have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a bad

> sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

> diagnosed with celiac disease.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Poops that look like rabbit poops or " marbles " as you called it, is

in my experience, indicative of constipation.

> I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what is

> not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of marbles.

I

> have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a bad

> sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

> diagnosed with celiac disease.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Poops that look like rabbit poops or " marbles " as you called it, is

in my experience, indicative of constipation.

> I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what is

> not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of marbles.

I

> have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a bad

> sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

> diagnosed with celiac disease.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marjan,

I feel a little better since I hadn't connected it with the yogurt

until I wrote the last post. I ran out of the yogurt last night and

my new batch won't be ready until tonight. Also I just realized

that when I started eating the yogurt on Sunday, I put strawberries

in it (which I have been eating fine thus far) but starting on

Monday and yesterday, I ate about 1/2 cup of the yogurt twice a day

with a big handful of frozen blueberries. I bet the blueberries are

the culprit in making the stools so dark the last two days, don't

you think? Well, I will refrain from the blueberries for a couple

of days and see if that's it or not. I just was kind of hopeful at

first that it was some kind of great die-off sign, but then I got

scared when I was told it might be blood. My whole reason for going

on this diet had nothing to do with stool problems, rather I am just

burping all the time and have a feeling of pressure on my stomach

and sometimes a lump in my throat. My lab tests said I had too much

of a bad bacteria in my digestive tract, Citrobacter freundii, so I

figured that this diet would help to reduce it to more normal levels

and hopefully get rid of the burping and stomach pressure.

Well, enough of my saga for now. I think I'll live.

Thanks again,

Liberty

>

> I remember that straight after my son started eating nut yoghurt

(=

> in fact heaps of beneficial bacteria), his poop got darker than

ever.

>

> Just want to draw a slightly exotic parallel here. I recently saw

a

> documentary about animal food. You ab-so-lutely do NOT want to

know

> what goes into regular animal food. It is total junk (filled with

soy

> and then that's the best ingredient). With that kind of food, your

> animal produces mushy, light coloured poop in HUGE quantities.

When

> you give your animal food of the better qualities, poop will be

> almost black and the quantity substantially less and much more

formed.

> I was so amazed at the comparisons I could make.

> It sounded so familiar.

>

> Marjan

> owner of 3 healthy cats & 1 siamese kitten (he produces 'marbles'

> and I'm happy about that)

> Netherlands

[Guest guest]

Thanks Marjan,

I feel a little better since I hadn't connected it with the yogurt

until I wrote the last post. I ran out of the yogurt last night and

my new batch won't be ready until tonight. Also I just realized

that when I started eating the yogurt on Sunday, I put strawberries

in it (which I have been eating fine thus far) but starting on

Monday and yesterday, I ate about 1/2 cup of the yogurt twice a day

with a big handful of frozen blueberries. I bet the blueberries are

the culprit in making the stools so dark the last two days, don't

you think? Well, I will refrain from the blueberries for a couple

of days and see if that's it or not. I just was kind of hopeful at

first that it was some kind of great die-off sign, but then I got

scared when I was told it might be blood. My whole reason for going

on this diet had nothing to do with stool problems, rather I am just

burping all the time and have a feeling of pressure on my stomach

and sometimes a lump in my throat. My lab tests said I had too much

of a bad bacteria in my digestive tract, Citrobacter freundii, so I

figured that this diet would help to reduce it to more normal levels

and hopefully get rid of the burping and stomach pressure.

Well, enough of my saga for now. I think I'll live.

Thanks again,

Liberty

>

> I remember that straight after my son started eating nut yoghurt

(=

> in fact heaps of beneficial bacteria), his poop got darker than

ever.

>

> Just want to draw a slightly exotic parallel here. I recently saw

a

> documentary about animal food. You ab-so-lutely do NOT want to

know

> what goes into regular animal food. It is total junk (filled with

soy

> and then that's the best ingredient). With that kind of food, your

> animal produces mushy, light coloured poop in HUGE quantities.

When

> you give your animal food of the better qualities, poop will be

> almost black and the quantity substantially less and much more

formed.

> I was so amazed at the comparisons I could make.

> It sounded so familiar.

>

> Marjan

> owner of 3 healthy cats & 1 siamese kitten (he produces 'marbles'

> and I'm happy about that)

> Netherlands

[Guest guest]

Both of my celiac sons had dark stools at the beginning of the diet

which followed with their first solid stools of their lives. It was

so strange to see both of them following the same patterns

stoolwise. They have not had dark stools since the first month of

SCD. I believe Elaine told me at the time it was a sign of die-off.

> > Well, to answer Liberty's question... Dark stool could be due to

> > blood (hope not!!!!) or could be something you ate. If you keep

up

> a

> > food diary, go back and check what you ate the day before or two

> days

> > before...

> >

> > As for the marbles, I have no idea, other than constipation?

> >

> > Coral

> > SCD 8 weeks

[Guest guest]

That could be. This particular child has had diarrhea most of his

life but pretty good stools since SCD. He has only a few times had

marble poop. This last time was after a night of vomiting. I think

he had the flu as opposed to food because the next day I was horribly

sick. I could not even lift my head off the pillow. It was

surprising to see though because I was expecting diarrhea.

> > I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what

is

> > not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of

marbles.

> I

> > have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a

bad

> > sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

> > diagnosed with celiac disease.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

) I

started have the very dark, almost black but

> still formed stools (never had a diarrhea problem) yesterday and

> still did again this morning. What does the black stool mean?

>

When people take Pepto Bismal (not SCD legal) the Bismuth causes dark stools.

Dark stools can be an indication of internal bleeding.h

Here is a medical reference. Note hemmorroids can be the cause.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003130.htm#Common%20Causes

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

So again, how long before I get trophies? Now, just mostly getting

Sundays.

3 1/2 SCD 5 weeks.

> > > I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and what

> is

> > > not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of

> marbles.

> > I

> > > have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it is a

> bad

> > > sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months and is

> > > diagnosed with celiac disease.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

We are pre diet here.. my son has those types of stools in between

bouts of loose stools.. we are scheduled for a colonoscopy with him

(he's 2) on Wednesday. After that I have about two weeks and then we

will start SCD. No matter what the scope says. The poor kid isn't

eating either.. not much anyway, and his weight is down again..

knows the troubles I have been having with the doctor..

So wish me luck!

> > > > > I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and

> what

> > > is

> > > > > not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of

> > > marbles.

> > > > I

> > > > > have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it

is

> a

> > > bad

> > > > > sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months

and

> is

> > > > > diagnosed with celiac disease.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

We are pre diet here.. my son has those types of stools in between

bouts of loose stools.. we are scheduled for a colonoscopy with him

(he's 2) on Wednesday. After that I have about two weeks and then we

will start SCD. No matter what the scope says. The poor kid isn't

eating either.. not much anyway, and his weight is down again..

knows the troubles I have been having with the doctor..

So wish me luck!

> > > > > I also wish there was some guide to say what is normal and

> what

> > > is

> > > > > not. My son periodically has what looks like a bunch of

> > > marbles.

> > > > I

> > > > > have no idea if this is a good sign or a bad sign. If it

is

> a

> > > bad

> > > > > sign, why would it happen? He has been SCD for 6 months

and

> is

> > > > > diagnosed with celiac disease.

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

> Please let me know if anyone else has had dark stools that were

just die off?

>

> Thanks,

> Liberty

Liberty,

Please don't panic! My son also had very dark stools the first few

weeks on SCD. I think it was possibly due to die off or just his

system getting used to more red meat, etc. His stools are still a

little darker than they used to be but not black. Just give it a

little time.

C.

mom to 35 mo, PDD.Nos, ?verbal apraxia, SCD 10 1/2 weeks and

Hannah, 5 yo, NT

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I appreciate the feedback. I'm leaning toward believing

it's the blueberries that I started eating twice a day 2 days ago. I'm

going to stop them for a couple of days to make sure.

Liberty

" Don't curse the darkness . . . Light a candle instead. "

Re: detailed poop question

> Please let me know if anyone else has had dark stools that were

just die off?

>

> Thanks,

> Liberty

Liberty,

Please don't panic! My son also had very dark stools the first few

weeks on SCD. I think it was possibly due to die off or just his

system getting used to more red meat, etc. His stools are still a

little darker than they used to be but not black. Just give it a

little time.

C.

mom to 35 mo, PDD.Nos, ?verbal apraxia, SCD 10 1/2 weeks and

Hannah, 5 yo, NT

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Colour changes in stool can mean a couple of things.

It can mean changes in bile salts, change of body microflora or be blood.

Are you peeling and cooking the zucchini? The skins can be pretty tough if he

isn't ready for them. A lot of people have reported trouble with celery even

cooked. You can either take it out of his diet temporarily; leave it whole in

the soup for flavour but take it out so he doesn't eat it or remove the " fibrous

strings " on the back of the celery.

There are not set weeks before seeing trophies. Usually it is a gradual

improvement. He may swing back and forth between constipation (pebbly stools)

and mushy stools as he gets closer to having trophies. Once he starts having

trophies he may a period of time before he gets them consistently. Patience is

a big part of this.

Sheila UC, 20 years -- in remission after 39 mos SCD

mom of SCD 24 mos

Folks,

What's with the dark stool, almost black at the beginning?.

It has been a month and now it is getting a bit better, but is it a

good/bad sign? Also, his stools have varied between mashed potato,

pebbles and very very soft playdough. We are keeping a journal but

we still cannot figure out what causes what. He also has what I call

Sunday poop (sorry about that), formed center surrounded by D. His

diet consists of mostly chicken, beef, acorn, some zuchinni, cooked

pear, and acorn fries, and some carrots and celery in the soup. We

are introducing butter nut squash today, wish us luck! Also, what

are the typical number of weeks before we can expect trophies?