Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hi Jen, Welcome!!!! I think you kid eats a lot of the foods in the into (except for meat) but the sneaky pancakes may be just want you need!! The answers to most of your questions are in www.pecanbread.com!!!! Take a look there. You will find info about the probiotics, the introduction diet, including samples of what to cook, and a TON OF RECIPES, a lot of eggless goodies. There are a couple of links to other recipe sites (SCD Diet and SCD Recipes). Those, along with the BTVC are where I get most of my cooking ideas at this time. About the first signs of the diet working... I saw my son's stomach reduce in about 1 week... I guess he was so full of gas and junk!!!! He lost 5 pounds in the first 3 weeks (he is too heavy for his height), and his stools are getting better (he is constipated) Your approach to " getting him slowly into the diet " is a good one. My son was addicted to crackers, pretzels and chicken nuggets... When we switched to CFGF he ate a lot of rice and potatoes, chips, and he was addicted to PB sandwiches. So I weaned him off slowly of starchy foods until one day I said, " sorry I don't have bread, let's eat .... " I am doing the diet with him and it seems to help him that I am also eating without bread... We did the introduction diet for about 2 days, and the third he actually ate green beans, which he used to hate!!!!! Then I told myself that this was going to work!!!!! Good luck to you!!! Coral SCD 8 weeks (son 9 y/o ASD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hi Jen, Welcome!!!! I think you kid eats a lot of the foods in the into (except for meat) but the sneaky pancakes may be just want you need!! The answers to most of your questions are in www.pecanbread.com!!!! Take a look there. You will find info about the probiotics, the introduction diet, including samples of what to cook, and a TON OF RECIPES, a lot of eggless goodies. There are a couple of links to other recipe sites (SCD Diet and SCD Recipes). Those, along with the BTVC are where I get most of my cooking ideas at this time. About the first signs of the diet working... I saw my son's stomach reduce in about 1 week... I guess he was so full of gas and junk!!!! He lost 5 pounds in the first 3 weeks (he is too heavy for his height), and his stools are getting better (he is constipated) Your approach to " getting him slowly into the diet " is a good one. My son was addicted to crackers, pretzels and chicken nuggets... When we switched to CFGF he ate a lot of rice and potatoes, chips, and he was addicted to PB sandwiches. So I weaned him off slowly of starchy foods until one day I said, " sorry I don't have bread, let's eat .... " I am doing the diet with him and it seems to help him that I am also eating without bread... We did the introduction diet for about 2 days, and the third he actually ate green beans, which he used to hate!!!!! Then I told myself that this was going to work!!!!! Good luck to you!!! Coral SCD 8 weeks (son 9 y/o ASD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Jen, My son was GFCFSF for 1 1/2 years and GF with enzymes for 6 months before switching to SCD. The diet really helped him in the areas of eye contact, self-abuse, brain fog and feces smearing. He did not start making gains in the areas of imitation, pretend play and speech until enzymes were introduced. No matter how much I tweeked his diet however, he had never had a solid stool. He saw a GI doctor regularly for about a year having numerous tests done including a colonoscopy until he threw his hands up and gave up. Within a week of SCD he had his first solid stool. After a few weeks, diarhea became a thing of the past. I also have a younger celiac only son who started SCD at the same time and his stools followed the same pattern. Our whole family switched to SCD on Dec 1st of last year. Like you, I chose a day and planned for a while. I understood that the purpose for the intro diet was to start with a clean slate. I went in with an attitude that it was better for my son to fast than to have the wrong foods. The reason I was not too worried about him fasting is because he had to fast before his colonoscopy and I saw how much more clear-headed he was. Thankfully he did eat some food during the intro but not much. We did the intro for 2 days with the only change of adding spotted bananas on day 2 with Elaine's blessing. Here is something interesting. While preparing for the diet, I purchased some SCD legal cookies from Digestive Wellness. When they arrived, before starting the diet, I gave everyone in the family one. My 10 year old NT daughter spit hers out while the rest of us choked it down. After doing the intro I brought the same package out again. Everybody loved them - my daughter actually begged for more. What I am saying is when the bad carbs are out of the system, the taste buds seem to change to where healthy food tastes better. I say this because some people try recipes on their child before switching diets, find their child doesn't like the food and get discouraged. I have been amazed at how everyone in our family has expanded their diet when it comes to veggies. My autistic son that would not eat any veggies (except potato) now eats broccoli, carrots, zucchini and peas. As for favorite recipes, check out the recipe section at www.pecanbread.com. The chicken pancake recipe is there. My kids love the peanut butter cake. I make it as cupcakes because it cooks through better and easy to send to school as a snack. I have posted some of my family favorites there such as Turkey Meatloaf and Zuchini Omelett. I came up with a waffle recipe my family likes which is not on the website: ******************************************************************* BANANA WAFFLES 2 mashed bananas 8 eggs 1/4 cup honey 2 tsp. vanilla 1 tsp. salt 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 2 cups almond flour Beat eggs and mix in banana. Add honey & vanilla and beat until smooth. Add salt, baking soda and almond flour and mix well. Cook according to waffle iron directions. Feeds about 6. Freeze or put any extras in the fridge and toast to serve later. For syrup I melt butter and add honey and vanilla. Try topping them with banana or strawberry slices, chopped walnuts or pecans for a little variety. ******************************************************************* During the intro, my son basically ate carrots (out of the soup), eggs and a little gelatin. As I mentioned before, he ate bananas also on day 2. If you look at the Food Preparation section of www.pecanbread.com, you will find some creative ways to expand the foods in the intro diet. I would also recommend eventually getting Lucy's Kitchen cookbook. My family really likes the Cinnamon Cookie recipe and I have found the Thousand Island recipe has gotten my whole family to like not only salads, but to snack on veggies (carrots, cucumber, celery etc) with dip for a snack. > My name is Jen and I have a 3.5 year old under the spectrum. He has > been GF/CF/SF for over a year with the only improvement we've > noticed being better sleep patterns. Despite this, he is still VERY > tired all day long. He still continues to have blow outs and mushy > poops which is why we are considering this diet. I've read the book > two times. I've been reading posts for the past month or so. I've > given myself a July 1st official start date. As I write this, I > have chicken broth cooking upstairs. I am not concerned with how > difficult this will be as far as preparing and cooking meals-I can > do that. I am VERY concerned about my son not liking ANYTHING in > the intro diet. He hates meat unless it's a Shelton's all natural > chicken dog or we hide it in his rice noddles and sauce. His diet > mostly consists right now of the following foods: > Any and all fruits, carrots, peas, shelton's dogs, millet breads, > rice breads, almond and cashew butters, cereal, pasta w/tomato > sauce, waffles, pancakes and occasional snack foods (chips,etc.) > I have a ton of questions, but to start: > *For those of you who have children who do not like meat or eggs, > how did you do it? What did you give your child? Did I miss the > recipe for chicken pancakes somewhere? > *How long did you all do the intro diet for? Did you see better > results with a longer intro diet? Did you just offer the food at > every meal until your child took a bite? > *For probiotics, we use Ther-biotic by labs, are these safe? > *What are the first signs you see that this diet is working? Did > you all commit yourself to try it for a certain amount of time? > *Anyone want to share their absolute, cannot live without recipes > with me? > Thank you so much for taking the time to read/respond. We think this > diet is what we've been looking for to help our son. I look forward > to the journey ahead and hope that I can continue to post any > concerns I may have on this loop. > Thanks, > Jen Hayward, mom to Sullivan 3.5 years and Tatum 1.5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Jen, My son was GFCFSF for 1 1/2 years and GF with enzymes for 6 months before switching to SCD. The diet really helped him in the areas of eye contact, self-abuse, brain fog and feces smearing. He did not start making gains in the areas of imitation, pretend play and speech until enzymes were introduced. No matter how much I tweeked his diet however, he had never had a solid stool. He saw a GI doctor regularly for about a year having numerous tests done including a colonoscopy until he threw his hands up and gave up. Within a week of SCD he had his first solid stool. After a few weeks, diarhea became a thing of the past. I also have a younger celiac only son who started SCD at the same time and his stools followed the same pattern. Our whole family switched to SCD on Dec 1st of last year. Like you, I chose a day and planned for a while. I understood that the purpose for the intro diet was to start with a clean slate. I went in with an attitude that it was better for my son to fast than to have the wrong foods. The reason I was not too worried about him fasting is because he had to fast before his colonoscopy and I saw how much more clear-headed he was. Thankfully he did eat some food during the intro but not much. We did the intro for 2 days with the only change of adding spotted bananas on day 2 with Elaine's blessing. Here is something interesting. While preparing for the diet, I purchased some SCD legal cookies from Digestive Wellness. When they arrived, before starting the diet, I gave everyone in the family one. My 10 year old NT daughter spit hers out while the rest of us choked it down. After doing the intro I brought the same package out again. Everybody loved them - my daughter actually begged for more. What I am saying is when the bad carbs are out of the system, the taste buds seem to change to where healthy food tastes better. I say this because some people try recipes on their child before switching diets, find their child doesn't like the food and get discouraged. I have been amazed at how everyone in our family has expanded their diet when it comes to veggies. My autistic son that would not eat any veggies (except potato) now eats broccoli, carrots, zucchini and peas. As for favorite recipes, check out the recipe section at www.pecanbread.com. The chicken pancake recipe is there. My kids love the peanut butter cake. I make it as cupcakes because it cooks through better and easy to send to school as a snack. I have posted some of my family favorites there such as Turkey Meatloaf and Zuchini Omelett. I came up with a waffle recipe my family likes which is not on the website: ******************************************************************* BANANA WAFFLES 2 mashed bananas 8 eggs 1/4 cup honey 2 tsp. vanilla 1 tsp. salt 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 2 cups almond flour Beat eggs and mix in banana. Add honey & vanilla and beat until smooth. Add salt, baking soda and almond flour and mix well. Cook according to waffle iron directions. Feeds about 6. Freeze or put any extras in the fridge and toast to serve later. For syrup I melt butter and add honey and vanilla. Try topping them with banana or strawberry slices, chopped walnuts or pecans for a little variety. ******************************************************************* During the intro, my son basically ate carrots (out of the soup), eggs and a little gelatin. As I mentioned before, he ate bananas also on day 2. If you look at the Food Preparation section of www.pecanbread.com, you will find some creative ways to expand the foods in the intro diet. I would also recommend eventually getting Lucy's Kitchen cookbook. My family really likes the Cinnamon Cookie recipe and I have found the Thousand Island recipe has gotten my whole family to like not only salads, but to snack on veggies (carrots, cucumber, celery etc) with dip for a snack. > My name is Jen and I have a 3.5 year old under the spectrum. He has > been GF/CF/SF for over a year with the only improvement we've > noticed being better sleep patterns. Despite this, he is still VERY > tired all day long. He still continues to have blow outs and mushy > poops which is why we are considering this diet. I've read the book > two times. I've been reading posts for the past month or so. I've > given myself a July 1st official start date. As I write this, I > have chicken broth cooking upstairs. I am not concerned with how > difficult this will be as far as preparing and cooking meals-I can > do that. I am VERY concerned about my son not liking ANYTHING in > the intro diet. He hates meat unless it's a Shelton's all natural > chicken dog or we hide it in his rice noddles and sauce. His diet > mostly consists right now of the following foods: > Any and all fruits, carrots, peas, shelton's dogs, millet breads, > rice breads, almond and cashew butters, cereal, pasta w/tomato > sauce, waffles, pancakes and occasional snack foods (chips,etc.) > I have a ton of questions, but to start: > *For those of you who have children who do not like meat or eggs, > how did you do it? What did you give your child? Did I miss the > recipe for chicken pancakes somewhere? > *How long did you all do the intro diet for? Did you see better > results with a longer intro diet? Did you just offer the food at > every meal until your child took a bite? > *For probiotics, we use Ther-biotic by labs, are these safe? > *What are the first signs you see that this diet is working? Did > you all commit yourself to try it for a certain amount of time? > *Anyone want to share their absolute, cannot live without recipes > with me? > Thank you so much for taking the time to read/respond. We think this > diet is what we've been looking for to help our son. I look forward > to the journey ahead and hope that I can continue to post any > concerns I may have on this loop. > Thanks, > Jen Hayward, mom to Sullivan 3.5 years and Tatum 1.5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 Hi Jen, welcome, > *For those of you who have children who do not like meat or eggs, > how did you do it? What did you give your child? My daughter ate mostly bread and cream cheese sandwiches, pudding, bananas, apples, grape juice, fries, chips -- all before SCD. We never did the intro diet, though I wish we had. Did I miss the recipe for chicken pancakes somewhere? Go to www.pecanbread.com and check out the recipe section. I think the chicken pancake recipe is there. > *How long did you all do the intro diet for? Did you see better > results with a longer intro diet? Again, we didn't do the intro diet because a) I didn't know how important it was and I was scared enough without worrying about Princess Picky starving to death! Did you just offer the food at every meal until your child took a bite? We are unusual, but it took me 10 MONTHS to get to eat vegetables. Now she eats a small serving at dinner every night, but we still have to coax her. > *For probiotics, we use Ther-biotic by labs, are these safe? You'd need to list the ingredients for us to tell you if that brand of probiotic is legal. > *What are the first signs you see that this diet is working? Did > you all commit yourself to try it for a certain amount of time? The first signs that I saw were increased language and sociability. It has been a slow journey, and my daughter still has a severe language delay. Nobody thinks she's " autistic " , though. I did not give myself a time limit, because she just started getting better and better, and then I knew that SCD was working for her. > *Anyone want to share their absolute, cannot live without recipes > with me? I can't do much there. The only 2 " recipes " that we use regularly are the banana muffins from scdrecipe.com and the meringue cookies from the same site. Other than that, likes her food " plain " -- e.g. roast beef, roast chicken, grilled meat -- so that's easy for me. > Thank you so much for taking the time to read/respond. We think this > diet is what we've been looking for to help our son. I look forward > to the journey ahead and hope that I can continue to post any > concerns I may have on this loop. Post your concerns and questions freely. That's what we're here for. Sue (From Pickering) Mom to , 4.5, formerly? ASD, SCD since March '03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2004 Report Share Posted May 26, 2004 " *For those of you who have children who do not like meat or eggs, how did you do it? " My son does not really like meat, but he knows he must eat some. We tell him to eat at least a certain amount and then he gets his yoghurt. " *How long did you all do the intro diet for? " 2 to 3 days " Did you just offer the food at every meal until your child took a bite? " No, I figured I had to make things as comfortable as possible for him and gave food all day long. He ate huge amounts, not an uncommon phenomenon. " *What are the first signs you see that this diet is working? " For us it was an immediate change in stool: firm and dark and regular smell. " Did you all commit yourself to try it for a certain amount of time? " 3 months at least. " *Anyone want to share their absolute, cannot live without recipes with me? " Omelettes, peanutbutter caramels, easter eggs, nut yoghurt, nut milk and the Classic Lois Lang Luscious Bread. I'll post the recipes on Nick's weblog soon. Marjan Netherlands Mom to Nick, asd, 7, SCD since jan 18 2003 , 9 Finn, 4 http://specificfoodsforspecificminds.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 Welcome to the list Jen and family, *For those of you who have children who do not like meat or eggs, how did you do it? What did you give your child? Did I miss the recipe for chicken pancakes somewhere? You can find the chicken pancake recipe at http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html under the " Pancakes " section. *How long did you all do the intro diet for? Did you see better results with a longer intro diet? Did you just offer the food at every meal until your child took a bite? The intro diet is usually 2-5 days. 2 -3 days for those with constipation problems and 3-5 days for those with diarrhea issues. (But if you can only do two days that is still great.) *For probiotics, we use Ther-biotic by labs, are these safe? The Ther-biotics all seem to have more than the strains of bacteria that Elaine recommends. I believe that most on this list who use a probiotic use Custom Probiotic . *Only the Lactobacillus acidophilus* Please see http://pecanbread.com/probiotics.html and http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/probiotics.htm and http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/yoghurt_cultures.htm *What are the first signs you see that this diet is working? Did you all commit yourself to try it for a certain amount of time? I saw immediate results (within hours) and within a day or so my kids & DH responded to the diet. For some it takes longer and the changes are quite subtle. Elaine recommends giving yourself about a month on the diet to determine if it's working for you. *Anyone want to share their absolute, cannot live without recipes with me? My hands down favourite is the peanut butter cake recipe on http://pecanbread.com/recipes.html I have adapted it in so many ways. I made it in three layers, topped it with strawberries, made it into cupcakes, added raisins and dropped as soft cookies, added peanut butter caramel chunks to make a ch**late chip cookie knock-off etc. Other than that I mostly adapt preSCD recipes. Tho', Lucy's cookbook has some great ones also - Pizza casserole, Italian sausage, cinnamon cookies. I better stop, I am getting hungry Sheila UC, 20 years -- in remission after 39 mos SCD mom of SCD 24 mos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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