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You go, girl! If anyone needs help in fighting with a school system,

call Sheryl! I can vouch for her advocacy skills, as she has given me

great advice when dealing with 's school issues.

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On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, at 11:21 AM, sdoolit272@... wrote:

> I have been very behind on my CHARGE list reading. I finally got

> caught up

> by scanning and skimming over 30 messages in digest format. I would

> like to

> welcome the new families to the list and let those who are facing

> upcoming

> surgeries know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

> As Ann said, we are in the process of changing 's placement to

> the

> Iowa School for the deaf (also known as ISD). The IEP team felt ISD

> was the

> best placement given the progress had made in her

> communicaiton/academic program over the last 4 years. ISD, however,

> felt that was too

> complex for their school and they were not ready or equipped to

> accept a child

> with the complex needs that presents.

> There were comments made that ISD was not willing to open themselves

> up to

> kids like because then families of deaf children might begin

> to view

> the school as a school for the MR and not want to send their deaf

> children

> there and those are the kids they are there to serve.

> At the end of the school year, we held another IEP meeting. Prior to

> the mee

> ting, ISD was trying to tell me that they did not have to accept her

> and

> that the IEP team could not place her there without them being a part

> of the

> decision and they would have final say. Iowa does not provide a full

> continuum

> of services. 4 years ago when we were looking for appropriate

> placement we

> found that there weren't any schools with existing programs that

> would meet

> all of 's needs. So, we developed her program and placed her

> in a

> school that was willing to take her. 4 years later, there still

> isn't a school

> that is set up to meet all of her needs. But, ISD does meet the major

> components of her program and that is why we decided to place her

> there. ISD is a

> state school, they cannot reject the IEP teams decision to place her

> there.

> The school did finally recognize that and then tried to reject her in

> the dorm

> setting. However, the school is considered a residential school so

> the dorms

> are considered a part of the school and they cannot reject her from a

> portion of the school, such as the dorms. The school still tried to

> believe they

> had final decision.

> Before the meeting, my attorney gave me information about a case in KY

> that

> was different but similar to 's situation. In that case, the

> IEP team

> felt that the best placement for a child was the State School for the

> Blind.

> However, the school didn't feel that they were obligated to take the

> student due to his other disabilities. The courts decided that since

> it was a

> state school and the IEP team felt it was the best placement, the IEP

> team does

> have the right to place the student in that school. If the state

> school does

> not wish to accept the student, they would have to file due process

> against

> the IEP team in order to keep the student from being admitted to the

> school.

> This is because the courts decided that the IEP team makes the

> placement

> decision and the state school staff does not become a part of the IEP

> team until

> after the student has been accepted into the program.

> So, with that knowledge and a few hours of education about ,

> ISD has

> decided to give a 90 day trial placement. For transition

> purposes,

> she was also given one week of their summer program.

> To make this as successful as possible, my home district is now being

> wonderful. They are willing to pay for a 1:1 from 6 a.m. until 11

> p.m. so that

> does not take staff attention away from the other students.

> My home

> district is now recognizing how much progress is making and

> wants to set

> her up to succeed. We all feel that it is possible for to

> not need

> the evening 1:1 person in the near future, but we can always stop that

> position when the time is right. This way, there shouldn't be a

> reason for her

> fail in the classroom or in the dorms.

> Sunday, I dropped and her 1:1 off at the school for her week

> there.

> Tuesday morning, the school called to inform me that is doing

> wonderful. When I asked if she was doing as they expected or better

> than they

> expected, the response was... " much better than we expected! "

> When we first started to look at this school, I had nothing but

> wonderful

> thoughts about it being right for . After the negativity

> started to

> show, it became a very difficult decision for me to send to a

> school

> that really didn't want her. I have been there before and the end

> result was

> not good at all. However, I truly felt that needed the signing

> environment and that once the staff saw what she was capable of, they

> would agree

> that they could make a difference in her life. After only 2 days, I

> think she

> is already starting to show them that they are what she needs at this

> stage

> of her life and they are the right decision. But, the true test will

> come

> this fall.

> I still have one battle within myself that I struggle with often.

>

> is 17 and because of her late proper education, I have fought for the

> communication/academic program for her. I recognize when everyone

> says she should be

> going voc ed so she can transition to adulthood more easily.

> However, she

> is making great progress and I hate to stop something that is working

> now. If

> she had been properly educated from the start, and she was at the

> level of

> learning she is at now, I believe I would have gone voc with her a

> long time

> ago. However, since she didn't get an education until 13 and is

> making this

> progress, I don't feel I would be doing her justice to move her from

> the

> academic program into a voc program. I want to be prepared

> for her

> future, but I feel the more she achieves academically, it will make

> her future more

> successful. I battle this decision often. I assess her progress all

> the

> time and have decided that when she hits a plateau academically will

> be the

> time to change to voc. I would like others opinions on this as some

> of you have

> been through this and I really need opinions on what is right or

> wrong here.

>

> To prepare for being away from her family, I have packed her

> summer

> with camps. She goes to EasterSeals respite weekends 2 times a month

> along

> with 3 full weeks over the summer. She also has this one week at

> ISD. In

> July, she is only home for 10 days. I hope that this will make the

> fall

> transition easier for her as she will be used to being away from us

> all the time.

> It has broken my heart to not have her here with me but I can't hold

> her back

> for my selfish reasons. It is time to let her go and explore, learn

> and live

> life as independently as possible right now.

>

> Sorry for the long post. I keep saying I am going to post more often

> so I

> am not always posting a book. I will work on that, but do thank all

> of you

> for being there when I do need help.

> Sheryl Doolittle

> Mom to Mitch 18 who is starting college this fall, and 17

> CHARGE

> going off to school this fall (I'm really starting to feel the empty

> nest thing

> here)

>

>

>

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Sheryl,

I wish all the best for . Way to advocate, must have been hard

sending her where they didn't seem to want her but I think people just need

a " push " sometimes to open their minds up for a minute and actually meet

these kids before saying " no " after just reading about them on paper. I

think that MEETING them and seeing what they can do makes a big difference.

Kennedy sounds like a nightmare on paper and then people meet her and they

are shocked....

Good for you Sheryl,

Weir

Mom to Kennedy 6 yr old with CHARGE, 15, 13 and wife to Graeme.

New Brunswick, Canada

Weir homepage: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

CHARGE SYNDROME CANADA: http://www.chargesyndrome.ca

school placements

I have been very behind on my CHARGE list reading. I finally got caught

up

by scanning and skimming over 30 messages in digest format. I would like

to

welcome the new families to the list and let those who are facing

upcoming

surgeries know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

As Ann said, we are in the process of changing 's placement to the

Iowa School for the deaf (also known as ISD). The IEP team felt ISD was

the

best placement given the progress had made in her

communicaiton/academic program over the last 4 years. ISD, however, felt

that was too

complex for their school and they were not ready or equipped to accept a

child

with the complex needs that presents.

There were comments made that ISD was not willing to open themselves up to

kids like because then families of deaf children might begin to

view

the school as a school for the MR and not want to send their deaf

children

there and those are the kids they are there to serve.

At the end of the school year, we held another IEP meeting. Prior to the

mee

ting, ISD was trying to tell me that they did not have to accept her and

that the IEP team could not place her there without them being a part of

the

decision and they would have final say. Iowa does not provide a full

continuum

of services. 4 years ago when we were looking for appropriate placement

we

found that there weren't any schools with existing programs that would

meet

all of 's needs. So, we developed her program and placed her in a

school that was willing to take her. 4 years later, there still isn't a

school

that is set up to meet all of her needs. But, ISD does meet the major

components of her program and that is why we decided to place her there.

ISD is a

state school, they cannot reject the IEP teams decision to place her

there.

The school did finally recognize that and then tried to reject her in the

dorm

setting. However, the school is considered a residential school so the

dorms

are considered a part of the school and they cannot reject her from a

portion of the school, such as the dorms. The school still tried to

believe they

had final decision.

Before the meeting, my attorney gave me information about a case in KY

that

was different but similar to 's situation. In that case, the IEP

team

felt that the best placement for a child was the State School for the

Blind.

However, the school didn't feel that they were obligated to take the

student due to his other disabilities. The courts decided that since it

was a

state school and the IEP team felt it was the best placement, the IEP

team does

have the right to place the student in that school. If the state school

does

not wish to accept the student, they would have to file due process

against

the IEP team in order to keep the student from being admitted to the

school.

This is because the courts decided that the IEP team makes the placement

decision and the state school staff does not become a part of the IEP

team until

after the student has been accepted into the program.

So, with that knowledge and a few hours of education about , ISD

has

decided to give a 90 day trial placement. For transition

purposes,

she was also given one week of their summer program.

To make this as successful as possible, my home district is now being

wonderful. They are willing to pay for a 1:1 from 6 a.m. until 11 p.m. so

that

does not take staff attention away from the other students. My

home

district is now recognizing how much progress is making and wants

to set

her up to succeed. We all feel that it is possible for to not

need

the evening 1:1 person in the near future, but we can always stop that

position when the time is right. This way, there shouldn't be a reason

for her

fail in the classroom or in the dorms.

Sunday, I dropped and her 1:1 off at the school for her week

there.

Tuesday morning, the school called to inform me that is doing

wonderful. When I asked if she was doing as they expected or better than

they

expected, the response was... " much better than we expected! "

When we first started to look at this school, I had nothing but wonderful

thoughts about it being right for . After the negativity started

to

show, it became a very difficult decision for me to send to a

school

that really didn't want her. I have been there before and the end result

was

not good at all. However, I truly felt that needed the signing

environment and that once the staff saw what she was capable of, they

would agree

that they could make a difference in her life. After only 2 days, I

think she

is already starting to show them that they are what she needs at this

stage

of her life and they are the right decision. But, the true test will

come

this fall.

I still have one battle within myself that I struggle with often.

is 17 and because of her late proper education, I have fought for the

communication/academic program for her. I recognize when everyone says

she should be

going voc ed so she can transition to adulthood more easily. However,

she

is making great progress and I hate to stop something that is working

now. If

she had been properly educated from the start, and she was at the level

of

learning she is at now, I believe I would have gone voc with her a long

time

ago. However, since she didn't get an education until 13 and is making

this

progress, I don't feel I would be doing her justice to move her from the

academic program into a voc program. I want to be prepared for

her

future, but I feel the more she achieves academically, it will make her

future more

successful. I battle this decision often. I assess her progress all the

time and have decided that when she hits a plateau academically will be

the

time to change to voc. I would like others opinions on this as some of

you have

been through this and I really need opinions on what is right or wrong

here.

To prepare for being away from her family, I have packed her

summer

with camps. She goes to EasterSeals respite weekends 2 times a month

along

with 3 full weeks over the summer. She also has this one week at ISD.

In

July, she is only home for 10 days. I hope that this will make the fall

transition easier for her as she will be used to being away from us all

the time.

It has broken my heart to not have her here with me but I can't hold her

back

for my selfish reasons. It is time to let her go and explore, learn and

live

life as independently as possible right now.

Sorry for the long post. I keep saying I am going to post more often so

I

am not always posting a book. I will work on that, but do thank all of

you

for being there when I do need help.

Sheryl Doolittle

Mom to Mitch 18 who is starting college this fall, and 17 CHARGE

going off to school this fall (I'm really starting to feel the empty nest

thing

here)

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Sheryl,

I wish all the best for . Way to advocate, must have been hard

sending her where they didn't seem to want her but I think people just need

a " push " sometimes to open their minds up for a minute and actually meet

these kids before saying " no " after just reading about them on paper. I

think that MEETING them and seeing what they can do makes a big difference.

Kennedy sounds like a nightmare on paper and then people meet her and they

are shocked....

Good for you Sheryl,

Weir

Mom to Kennedy 6 yr old with CHARGE, 15, 13 and wife to Graeme.

New Brunswick, Canada

Weir homepage: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

CHARGE SYNDROME CANADA: http://www.chargesyndrome.ca

school placements

I have been very behind on my CHARGE list reading. I finally got caught

up

by scanning and skimming over 30 messages in digest format. I would like

to

welcome the new families to the list and let those who are facing

upcoming

surgeries know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

As Ann said, we are in the process of changing 's placement to the

Iowa School for the deaf (also known as ISD). The IEP team felt ISD was

the

best placement given the progress had made in her

communicaiton/academic program over the last 4 years. ISD, however, felt

that was too

complex for their school and they were not ready or equipped to accept a

child

with the complex needs that presents.

There were comments made that ISD was not willing to open themselves up to

kids like because then families of deaf children might begin to

view

the school as a school for the MR and not want to send their deaf

children

there and those are the kids they are there to serve.

At the end of the school year, we held another IEP meeting. Prior to the

mee

ting, ISD was trying to tell me that they did not have to accept her and

that the IEP team could not place her there without them being a part of

the

decision and they would have final say. Iowa does not provide a full

continuum

of services. 4 years ago when we were looking for appropriate placement

we

found that there weren't any schools with existing programs that would

meet

all of 's needs. So, we developed her program and placed her in a

school that was willing to take her. 4 years later, there still isn't a

school

that is set up to meet all of her needs. But, ISD does meet the major

components of her program and that is why we decided to place her there.

ISD is a

state school, they cannot reject the IEP teams decision to place her

there.

The school did finally recognize that and then tried to reject her in the

dorm

setting. However, the school is considered a residential school so the

dorms

are considered a part of the school and they cannot reject her from a

portion of the school, such as the dorms. The school still tried to

believe they

had final decision.

Before the meeting, my attorney gave me information about a case in KY

that

was different but similar to 's situation. In that case, the IEP

team

felt that the best placement for a child was the State School for the

Blind.

However, the school didn't feel that they were obligated to take the

student due to his other disabilities. The courts decided that since it

was a

state school and the IEP team felt it was the best placement, the IEP

team does

have the right to place the student in that school. If the state school

does

not wish to accept the student, they would have to file due process

against

the IEP team in order to keep the student from being admitted to the

school.

This is because the courts decided that the IEP team makes the placement

decision and the state school staff does not become a part of the IEP

team until

after the student has been accepted into the program.

So, with that knowledge and a few hours of education about , ISD

has

decided to give a 90 day trial placement. For transition

purposes,

she was also given one week of their summer program.

To make this as successful as possible, my home district is now being

wonderful. They are willing to pay for a 1:1 from 6 a.m. until 11 p.m. so

that

does not take staff attention away from the other students. My

home

district is now recognizing how much progress is making and wants

to set

her up to succeed. We all feel that it is possible for to not

need

the evening 1:1 person in the near future, but we can always stop that

position when the time is right. This way, there shouldn't be a reason

for her

fail in the classroom or in the dorms.

Sunday, I dropped and her 1:1 off at the school for her week

there.

Tuesday morning, the school called to inform me that is doing

wonderful. When I asked if she was doing as they expected or better than

they

expected, the response was... " much better than we expected! "

When we first started to look at this school, I had nothing but wonderful

thoughts about it being right for . After the negativity started

to

show, it became a very difficult decision for me to send to a

school

that really didn't want her. I have been there before and the end result

was

not good at all. However, I truly felt that needed the signing

environment and that once the staff saw what she was capable of, they

would agree

that they could make a difference in her life. After only 2 days, I

think she

is already starting to show them that they are what she needs at this

stage

of her life and they are the right decision. But, the true test will

come

this fall.

I still have one battle within myself that I struggle with often.

is 17 and because of her late proper education, I have fought for the

communication/academic program for her. I recognize when everyone says

she should be

going voc ed so she can transition to adulthood more easily. However,

she

is making great progress and I hate to stop something that is working

now. If

she had been properly educated from the start, and she was at the level

of

learning she is at now, I believe I would have gone voc with her a long

time

ago. However, since she didn't get an education until 13 and is making

this

progress, I don't feel I would be doing her justice to move her from the

academic program into a voc program. I want to be prepared for

her

future, but I feel the more she achieves academically, it will make her

future more

successful. I battle this decision often. I assess her progress all the

time and have decided that when she hits a plateau academically will be

the

time to change to voc. I would like others opinions on this as some of

you have

been through this and I really need opinions on what is right or wrong

here.

To prepare for being away from her family, I have packed her

summer

with camps. She goes to EasterSeals respite weekends 2 times a month

along

with 3 full weeks over the summer. She also has this one week at ISD.

In

July, she is only home for 10 days. I hope that this will make the fall

transition easier for her as she will be used to being away from us all

the time.

It has broken my heart to not have her here with me but I can't hold her

back

for my selfish reasons. It is time to let her go and explore, learn and

live

life as independently as possible right now.

Sorry for the long post. I keep saying I am going to post more often so

I

am not always posting a book. I will work on that, but do thank all of

you

for being there when I do need help.

Sheryl Doolittle

Mom to Mitch 18 who is starting college this fall, and 17 CHARGE

going off to school this fall (I'm really starting to feel the empty nest

thing

here)

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Sheryl,

It is wonderful to hear from you! I am glad that the program is falling

into place for l. You have really worked hard and been through a

lot to make positive things happen. I hope that things go beautifully this

week and that all is well in the Fall.

What you have experienced is too common for children who are deaf with

additional needs in my opinion. In California, I posted about Proposed

Rules Changes to Admissions to California Schools for the Deaf and the

California School for the Blind. So far in California, there has not been

a written admissions policy and the new proposed written policy is very

discriminatory. I spoke against it in a testimony in Sacramento as did the

California Statewide Group of Parents of the Deaf -IMPACT. The revised

Proposed regulations will be posted on the CA Department of Education

website and then written comments will be accepted. In California, the

Schools for the Deaf and the Schools for the Blind have vetoed many

requests by districts for placement. It's interesting to read that this is

not policy in Iowa.

What puzzles me completely is how schools can deny access to students who

communicate in sign language. In many cases there are no other viable

alternatives. So often the benefits of early and intense language exposure

is touted as the way to help deaf students achieve their potential. But

when the child has additional needs, so often, all those same comments are

thrown out the window as if language access was not important.

The attitudes break my heart constantly. As you know, we moved back to

California so Kendra could access a signing environment. She has made a

lot of progress having access to language all day long. She still has

visual processing or cortical vision issues and limb apraxia that make sign

acquisition and usage difficult. But without access to signing, she would

have no opportunity to gain her language skills. I've noticed that while

children who hear often have access to speech therapy, the idea of sign

therapy is most often never considered for children who are

deaf. Thankfully, Kendra is now receiving sign therapy 3 times a week with

a SLP who signs and receives further support from a 1:1 aide who is deaf

and ASL fluent. It makes perfect sense to me, to receive these services,

but the fights to obtain appropriate services take such a toll.

I live for the day when all children and all people will have the respect,

education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human thrives with

and deserves.

Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

Southern California

At 09:21 AM 7/14/2004, you wrote:

>I have been very behind on my CHARGE list reading. I finally got caught up

>by scanning and skimming over 30 messages in digest format. I would like to

>welcome the new families to the list and let those who are facing upcoming

>surgeries know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

>As Ann said, we are in the process of changing 's placement to the

>Iowa School for the deaf (also known as ISD). The IEP team felt ISD was the

>best placement given the progress had made in her

>communicaiton/academic program over the last 4 years. ISD, however,

>felt that was too

>complex for their school and they were not ready or equipped to accept a

>child

>with the complex needs that presents.

>There were comments made that ISD was not willing to open themselves up to

>kids like because then families of deaf children might begin to view

>the school as a school for the MR and not want to send their deaf children

>there and those are the kids they are there to serve.

>At the end of the school year, we held another IEP meeting. Prior to the mee

>ting, ISD was trying to tell me that they did not have to accept her and

>that the IEP team could not place her there without them being a part of the

>decision and they would have final say. Iowa does not provide a

>full continuum

>of services. 4 years ago when we were looking for appropriate placement we

>found that there weren't any schools with existing programs that would meet

>all of 's needs. So, we developed her program and placed her in a

>school that was willing to take her. 4 years later, there still isn't a

>school

>that is set up to meet all of her needs. But, ISD does meet the major

>components of her program and that is why we decided to place her

>there. ISD is a

>state school, they cannot reject the IEP teams decision to place her there.

>The school did finally recognize that and then tried to reject her in the

>dorm

>setting. However, the school is considered a residential school so the

>dorms

>are considered a part of the school and they cannot reject her from a

>portion of the school, such as the dorms. The school still tried to

>believe they

>had final decision.

>Before the meeting, my attorney gave me information about a case in KY that

>was different but similar to 's situation. In that case, the

>IEP team

>felt that the best placement for a child was the State School for the Blind.

>However, the school didn't feel that they were obligated to take the

>student due to his other disabilities. The courts decided that since it

>was a

>state school and the IEP team felt it was the best placement, the IEP

>team does

>have the right to place the student in that school. If the state school

>does

>not wish to accept the student, they would have to file due process against

>the IEP team in order to keep the student from being admitted to the

>school.

>This is because the courts decided that the IEP team makes the placement

>decision and the state school staff does not become a part of the IEP

>team until

>after the student has been accepted into the program.

>So, with that knowledge and a few hours of education about , ISD has

>decided to give a 90 day trial placement. For transition purposes,

>she was also given one week of their summer program.

>To make this as successful as possible, my home district is now being

>wonderful. They are willing to pay for a 1:1 from 6 a.m. until 11 p.m.

>so that

> does not take staff attention away from the other students. My home

>district is now recognizing how much progress is making and wants

>to set

>her up to succeed. We all feel that it is possible for to not need

>the evening 1:1 person in the near future, but we can always stop that

>position when the time is right. This way, there shouldn't be a reason

>for her

>fail in the classroom or in the dorms.

>Sunday, I dropped and her 1:1 off at the school for her week there.

>Tuesday morning, the school called to inform me that is doing

>wonderful. When I asked if she was doing as they expected or better than

>they

>expected, the response was... " much better than we expected! "

>When we first started to look at this school, I had nothing but wonderful

>thoughts about it being right for . After the negativity started to

>show, it became a very difficult decision for me to send to a school

>that really didn't want her. I have been there before and the end

>result was

>not good at all. However, I truly felt that needed the signing

>environment and that once the staff saw what she was capable of,

>they would agree

>that they could make a difference in her life. After only 2 days, I

>think she

>is already starting to show them that they are what she needs at this stage

>of her life and they are the right decision. But, the true test will come

>this fall.

>I still have one battle within myself that I struggle with often.

>is 17 and because of her late proper education, I have fought for the

>communication/academic program for her. I recognize when everyone says

>she should be

>going voc ed so she can transition to adulthood more easily. However, she

>is making great progress and I hate to stop something that is working

>now. If

>she had been properly educated from the start, and she was at the level of

>learning she is at now, I believe I would have gone voc with her a long time

>ago. However, since she didn't get an education until 13 and is making this

>progress, I don't feel I would be doing her justice to move her from the

>academic program into a voc program. I want to be prepared for her

>future, but I feel the more she achieves academically, it will make her

>future more

>successful. I battle this decision often. I assess her progress all the

>time and have decided that when she hits a plateau academically will be the

>time to change to voc. I would like others opinions on this as some of

>you have

>been through this and I really need opinions on what is right or wrong here.

>

>To prepare for being away from her family, I have packed her summer

>with camps. She goes to EasterSeals respite weekends 2 times a month along

>with 3 full weeks over the summer. She also has this one week at ISD. In

>July, she is only home for 10 days. I hope that this will make the fall

>transition easier for her as she will be used to being away from us all

>the time.

>It has broken my heart to not have her here with me but I can't hold her

>back

>for my selfish reasons. It is time to let her go and explore, learn and

>live

>life as independently as possible right now.

>

>Sorry for the long post. I keep saying I am going to post more often so I

>am not always posting a book. I will work on that, but do thank all of you

>for being there when I do need help.

>Sheryl Doolittle

>Mom to Mitch 18 who is starting college this fall, and 17 CHARGE

>going off to school this fall (I'm really starting to feel the empty nest

>thing

>here)

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Sheryl,

It is wonderful to hear from you! I am glad that the program is falling

into place for l. You have really worked hard and been through a

lot to make positive things happen. I hope that things go beautifully this

week and that all is well in the Fall.

What you have experienced is too common for children who are deaf with

additional needs in my opinion. In California, I posted about Proposed

Rules Changes to Admissions to California Schools for the Deaf and the

California School for the Blind. So far in California, there has not been

a written admissions policy and the new proposed written policy is very

discriminatory. I spoke against it in a testimony in Sacramento as did the

California Statewide Group of Parents of the Deaf -IMPACT. The revised

Proposed regulations will be posted on the CA Department of Education

website and then written comments will be accepted. In California, the

Schools for the Deaf and the Schools for the Blind have vetoed many

requests by districts for placement. It's interesting to read that this is

not policy in Iowa.

What puzzles me completely is how schools can deny access to students who

communicate in sign language. In many cases there are no other viable

alternatives. So often the benefits of early and intense language exposure

is touted as the way to help deaf students achieve their potential. But

when the child has additional needs, so often, all those same comments are

thrown out the window as if language access was not important.

The attitudes break my heart constantly. As you know, we moved back to

California so Kendra could access a signing environment. She has made a

lot of progress having access to language all day long. She still has

visual processing or cortical vision issues and limb apraxia that make sign

acquisition and usage difficult. But without access to signing, she would

have no opportunity to gain her language skills. I've noticed that while

children who hear often have access to speech therapy, the idea of sign

therapy is most often never considered for children who are

deaf. Thankfully, Kendra is now receiving sign therapy 3 times a week with

a SLP who signs and receives further support from a 1:1 aide who is deaf

and ASL fluent. It makes perfect sense to me, to receive these services,

but the fights to obtain appropriate services take such a toll.

I live for the day when all children and all people will have the respect,

education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human thrives with

and deserves.

Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

Southern California

At 09:21 AM 7/14/2004, you wrote:

>I have been very behind on my CHARGE list reading. I finally got caught up

>by scanning and skimming over 30 messages in digest format. I would like to

>welcome the new families to the list and let those who are facing upcoming

>surgeries know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

>As Ann said, we are in the process of changing 's placement to the

>Iowa School for the deaf (also known as ISD). The IEP team felt ISD was the

>best placement given the progress had made in her

>communicaiton/academic program over the last 4 years. ISD, however,

>felt that was too

>complex for their school and they were not ready or equipped to accept a

>child

>with the complex needs that presents.

>There were comments made that ISD was not willing to open themselves up to

>kids like because then families of deaf children might begin to view

>the school as a school for the MR and not want to send their deaf children

>there and those are the kids they are there to serve.

>At the end of the school year, we held another IEP meeting. Prior to the mee

>ting, ISD was trying to tell me that they did not have to accept her and

>that the IEP team could not place her there without them being a part of the

>decision and they would have final say. Iowa does not provide a

>full continuum

>of services. 4 years ago when we were looking for appropriate placement we

>found that there weren't any schools with existing programs that would meet

>all of 's needs. So, we developed her program and placed her in a

>school that was willing to take her. 4 years later, there still isn't a

>school

>that is set up to meet all of her needs. But, ISD does meet the major

>components of her program and that is why we decided to place her

>there. ISD is a

>state school, they cannot reject the IEP teams decision to place her there.

>The school did finally recognize that and then tried to reject her in the

>dorm

>setting. However, the school is considered a residential school so the

>dorms

>are considered a part of the school and they cannot reject her from a

>portion of the school, such as the dorms. The school still tried to

>believe they

>had final decision.

>Before the meeting, my attorney gave me information about a case in KY that

>was different but similar to 's situation. In that case, the

>IEP team

>felt that the best placement for a child was the State School for the Blind.

>However, the school didn't feel that they were obligated to take the

>student due to his other disabilities. The courts decided that since it

>was a

>state school and the IEP team felt it was the best placement, the IEP

>team does

>have the right to place the student in that school. If the state school

>does

>not wish to accept the student, they would have to file due process against

>the IEP team in order to keep the student from being admitted to the

>school.

>This is because the courts decided that the IEP team makes the placement

>decision and the state school staff does not become a part of the IEP

>team until

>after the student has been accepted into the program.

>So, with that knowledge and a few hours of education about , ISD has

>decided to give a 90 day trial placement. For transition purposes,

>she was also given one week of their summer program.

>To make this as successful as possible, my home district is now being

>wonderful. They are willing to pay for a 1:1 from 6 a.m. until 11 p.m.

>so that

> does not take staff attention away from the other students. My home

>district is now recognizing how much progress is making and wants

>to set

>her up to succeed. We all feel that it is possible for to not need

>the evening 1:1 person in the near future, but we can always stop that

>position when the time is right. This way, there shouldn't be a reason

>for her

>fail in the classroom or in the dorms.

>Sunday, I dropped and her 1:1 off at the school for her week there.

>Tuesday morning, the school called to inform me that is doing

>wonderful. When I asked if she was doing as they expected or better than

>they

>expected, the response was... " much better than we expected! "

>When we first started to look at this school, I had nothing but wonderful

>thoughts about it being right for . After the negativity started to

>show, it became a very difficult decision for me to send to a school

>that really didn't want her. I have been there before and the end

>result was

>not good at all. However, I truly felt that needed the signing

>environment and that once the staff saw what she was capable of,

>they would agree

>that they could make a difference in her life. After only 2 days, I

>think she

>is already starting to show them that they are what she needs at this stage

>of her life and they are the right decision. But, the true test will come

>this fall.

>I still have one battle within myself that I struggle with often.

>is 17 and because of her late proper education, I have fought for the

>communication/academic program for her. I recognize when everyone says

>she should be

>going voc ed so she can transition to adulthood more easily. However, she

>is making great progress and I hate to stop something that is working

>now. If

>she had been properly educated from the start, and she was at the level of

>learning she is at now, I believe I would have gone voc with her a long time

>ago. However, since she didn't get an education until 13 and is making this

>progress, I don't feel I would be doing her justice to move her from the

>academic program into a voc program. I want to be prepared for her

>future, but I feel the more she achieves academically, it will make her

>future more

>successful. I battle this decision often. I assess her progress all the

>time and have decided that when she hits a plateau academically will be the

>time to change to voc. I would like others opinions on this as some of

>you have

>been through this and I really need opinions on what is right or wrong here.

>

>To prepare for being away from her family, I have packed her summer

>with camps. She goes to EasterSeals respite weekends 2 times a month along

>with 3 full weeks over the summer. She also has this one week at ISD. In

>July, she is only home for 10 days. I hope that this will make the fall

>transition easier for her as she will be used to being away from us all

>the time.

>It has broken my heart to not have her here with me but I can't hold her

>back

>for my selfish reasons. It is time to let her go and explore, learn and

>live

>life as independently as possible right now.

>

>Sorry for the long post. I keep saying I am going to post more often so I

>am not always posting a book. I will work on that, but do thank all of you

>for being there when I do need help.

>Sheryl Doolittle

>Mom to Mitch 18 who is starting college this fall, and 17 CHARGE

>going off to school this fall (I'm really starting to feel the empty nest

>thing

>here)

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Sheryl,

It is wonderful to hear from you! I am glad that the program is falling

into place for l. You have really worked hard and been through a

lot to make positive things happen. I hope that things go beautifully this

week and that all is well in the Fall.

What you have experienced is too common for children who are deaf with

additional needs in my opinion. In California, I posted about Proposed

Rules Changes to Admissions to California Schools for the Deaf and the

California School for the Blind. So far in California, there has not been

a written admissions policy and the new proposed written policy is very

discriminatory. I spoke against it in a testimony in Sacramento as did the

California Statewide Group of Parents of the Deaf -IMPACT. The revised

Proposed regulations will be posted on the CA Department of Education

website and then written comments will be accepted. In California, the

Schools for the Deaf and the Schools for the Blind have vetoed many

requests by districts for placement. It's interesting to read that this is

not policy in Iowa.

What puzzles me completely is how schools can deny access to students who

communicate in sign language. In many cases there are no other viable

alternatives. So often the benefits of early and intense language exposure

is touted as the way to help deaf students achieve their potential. But

when the child has additional needs, so often, all those same comments are

thrown out the window as if language access was not important.

The attitudes break my heart constantly. As you know, we moved back to

California so Kendra could access a signing environment. She has made a

lot of progress having access to language all day long. She still has

visual processing or cortical vision issues and limb apraxia that make sign

acquisition and usage difficult. But without access to signing, she would

have no opportunity to gain her language skills. I've noticed that while

children who hear often have access to speech therapy, the idea of sign

therapy is most often never considered for children who are

deaf. Thankfully, Kendra is now receiving sign therapy 3 times a week with

a SLP who signs and receives further support from a 1:1 aide who is deaf

and ASL fluent. It makes perfect sense to me, to receive these services,

but the fights to obtain appropriate services take such a toll.

I live for the day when all children and all people will have the respect,

education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human thrives with

and deserves.

Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

Southern California

At 09:21 AM 7/14/2004, you wrote:

>I have been very behind on my CHARGE list reading. I finally got caught up

>by scanning and skimming over 30 messages in digest format. I would like to

>welcome the new families to the list and let those who are facing upcoming

>surgeries know that you are in our thoughts and prayers.

>As Ann said, we are in the process of changing 's placement to the

>Iowa School for the deaf (also known as ISD). The IEP team felt ISD was the

>best placement given the progress had made in her

>communicaiton/academic program over the last 4 years. ISD, however,

>felt that was too

>complex for their school and they were not ready or equipped to accept a

>child

>with the complex needs that presents.

>There were comments made that ISD was not willing to open themselves up to

>kids like because then families of deaf children might begin to view

>the school as a school for the MR and not want to send their deaf children

>there and those are the kids they are there to serve.

>At the end of the school year, we held another IEP meeting. Prior to the mee

>ting, ISD was trying to tell me that they did not have to accept her and

>that the IEP team could not place her there without them being a part of the

>decision and they would have final say. Iowa does not provide a

>full continuum

>of services. 4 years ago when we were looking for appropriate placement we

>found that there weren't any schools with existing programs that would meet

>all of 's needs. So, we developed her program and placed her in a

>school that was willing to take her. 4 years later, there still isn't a

>school

>that is set up to meet all of her needs. But, ISD does meet the major

>components of her program and that is why we decided to place her

>there. ISD is a

>state school, they cannot reject the IEP teams decision to place her there.

>The school did finally recognize that and then tried to reject her in the

>dorm

>setting. However, the school is considered a residential school so the

>dorms

>are considered a part of the school and they cannot reject her from a

>portion of the school, such as the dorms. The school still tried to

>believe they

>had final decision.

>Before the meeting, my attorney gave me information about a case in KY that

>was different but similar to 's situation. In that case, the

>IEP team

>felt that the best placement for a child was the State School for the Blind.

>However, the school didn't feel that they were obligated to take the

>student due to his other disabilities. The courts decided that since it

>was a

>state school and the IEP team felt it was the best placement, the IEP

>team does

>have the right to place the student in that school. If the state school

>does

>not wish to accept the student, they would have to file due process against

>the IEP team in order to keep the student from being admitted to the

>school.

>This is because the courts decided that the IEP team makes the placement

>decision and the state school staff does not become a part of the IEP

>team until

>after the student has been accepted into the program.

>So, with that knowledge and a few hours of education about , ISD has

>decided to give a 90 day trial placement. For transition purposes,

>she was also given one week of their summer program.

>To make this as successful as possible, my home district is now being

>wonderful. They are willing to pay for a 1:1 from 6 a.m. until 11 p.m.

>so that

> does not take staff attention away from the other students. My home

>district is now recognizing how much progress is making and wants

>to set

>her up to succeed. We all feel that it is possible for to not need

>the evening 1:1 person in the near future, but we can always stop that

>position when the time is right. This way, there shouldn't be a reason

>for her

>fail in the classroom or in the dorms.

>Sunday, I dropped and her 1:1 off at the school for her week there.

>Tuesday morning, the school called to inform me that is doing

>wonderful. When I asked if she was doing as they expected or better than

>they

>expected, the response was... " much better than we expected! "

>When we first started to look at this school, I had nothing but wonderful

>thoughts about it being right for . After the negativity started to

>show, it became a very difficult decision for me to send to a school

>that really didn't want her. I have been there before and the end

>result was

>not good at all. However, I truly felt that needed the signing

>environment and that once the staff saw what she was capable of,

>they would agree

>that they could make a difference in her life. After only 2 days, I

>think she

>is already starting to show them that they are what she needs at this stage

>of her life and they are the right decision. But, the true test will come

>this fall.

>I still have one battle within myself that I struggle with often.

>is 17 and because of her late proper education, I have fought for the

>communication/academic program for her. I recognize when everyone says

>she should be

>going voc ed so she can transition to adulthood more easily. However, she

>is making great progress and I hate to stop something that is working

>now. If

>she had been properly educated from the start, and she was at the level of

>learning she is at now, I believe I would have gone voc with her a long time

>ago. However, since she didn't get an education until 13 and is making this

>progress, I don't feel I would be doing her justice to move her from the

>academic program into a voc program. I want to be prepared for her

>future, but I feel the more she achieves academically, it will make her

>future more

>successful. I battle this decision often. I assess her progress all the

>time and have decided that when she hits a plateau academically will be the

>time to change to voc. I would like others opinions on this as some of

>you have

>been through this and I really need opinions on what is right or wrong here.

>

>To prepare for being away from her family, I have packed her summer

>with camps. She goes to EasterSeals respite weekends 2 times a month along

>with 3 full weeks over the summer. She also has this one week at ISD. In

>July, she is only home for 10 days. I hope that this will make the fall

>transition easier for her as she will be used to being away from us all

>the time.

>It has broken my heart to not have her here with me but I can't hold her

>back

>for my selfish reasons. It is time to let her go and explore, learn and

>live

>life as independently as possible right now.

>

>Sorry for the long post. I keep saying I am going to post more often so I

>am not always posting a book. I will work on that, but do thank all of you

>for being there when I do need help.

>Sheryl Doolittle

>Mom to Mitch 18 who is starting college this fall, and 17 CHARGE

>going off to school this fall (I'm really starting to feel the empty nest

>thing

>here)

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>>I live for the day when all children and all people will have the

respect, education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human

thrives with and deserves.

Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

Southern California

WOW, well said! (That is a great fridge pin-up for us all to live by).

It is soooo great to hear this update on . Please Sheryl,

consider formally writing down the " journey " . You could be such a

" teacher " for other parents who may journey down the same road. And

LOTS of videotape in the next few years, for us all to share one day

at one of the conferences??

As to your query, there is a life time of learning ahead. I don't

believe in " age-ism " and " time-ism " . What you feel is the best fit is

right, as long as is learning and making progress. Just keep a

tab on frustration levels, and that decision making and problem

solving are skills that are also encouraged, especially with 1:1.

These are the true " life skills " .

While your " nesting " (and have that lull of empty space), relax, but

also get the strength to prepare yourself for the next long journey.

Create in your mind what fits for your family and in terms of

adult life; and then find the support to make it happen!!

Ann Gloyn

Specialist Teacher

Canada

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>>I live for the day when all children and all people will have the

respect, education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human

thrives with and deserves.

Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

Southern California

WOW, well said! (That is a great fridge pin-up for us all to live by).

It is soooo great to hear this update on . Please Sheryl,

consider formally writing down the " journey " . You could be such a

" teacher " for other parents who may journey down the same road. And

LOTS of videotape in the next few years, for us all to share one day

at one of the conferences??

As to your query, there is a life time of learning ahead. I don't

believe in " age-ism " and " time-ism " . What you feel is the best fit is

right, as long as is learning and making progress. Just keep a

tab on frustration levels, and that decision making and problem

solving are skills that are also encouraged, especially with 1:1.

These are the true " life skills " .

While your " nesting " (and have that lull of empty space), relax, but

also get the strength to prepare yourself for the next long journey.

Create in your mind what fits for your family and in terms of

adult life; and then find the support to make it happen!!

Ann Gloyn

Specialist Teacher

Canada

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>>I live for the day when all children and all people will have the

respect, education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human

thrives with and deserves.

Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

Southern California

WOW, well said! (That is a great fridge pin-up for us all to live by).

It is soooo great to hear this update on . Please Sheryl,

consider formally writing down the " journey " . You could be such a

" teacher " for other parents who may journey down the same road. And

LOTS of videotape in the next few years, for us all to share one day

at one of the conferences??

As to your query, there is a life time of learning ahead. I don't

believe in " age-ism " and " time-ism " . What you feel is the best fit is

right, as long as is learning and making progress. Just keep a

tab on frustration levels, and that decision making and problem

solving are skills that are also encouraged, especially with 1:1.

These are the true " life skills " .

While your " nesting " (and have that lull of empty space), relax, but

also get the strength to prepare yourself for the next long journey.

Create in your mind what fits for your family and in terms of

adult life; and then find the support to make it happen!!

Ann Gloyn

Specialist Teacher

Canada

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Sheryl-

Sounds like you have done a fabulous job of working with the ISD folks

and being persistent in getting them to realize that they are the ones

who can make a difference for . None of us want our child to be

with someone who is with them reluctantly or with antagonism. However,

if we can take an initial negative reaction and convert it to a positive

attitude, then everyone wins. Sounds to me like you are on your way there.

Regarding academic v. voc-- I haven't been there yet -- Aubrie's only

6. But from what you've said and after seeing at the

conference, I would stay on the academic path for now too. Isn't

vocational training something she can get as an adult any time? It will

be much easier to find that later than to go back and add academics

later. And won't the voc be more successful whenever you get there with

a strong academic foundation behind it? We all struggle and

second-guess ourselves, but continue to trust your instincts. You are

doing a beautiful job with a very difficult situation.

Hugs-

Michele W

Aubrie's mom

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Sheryl-

Sounds like you have done a fabulous job of working with the ISD folks

and being persistent in getting them to realize that they are the ones

who can make a difference for . None of us want our child to be

with someone who is with them reluctantly or with antagonism. However,

if we can take an initial negative reaction and convert it to a positive

attitude, then everyone wins. Sounds to me like you are on your way there.

Regarding academic v. voc-- I haven't been there yet -- Aubrie's only

6. But from what you've said and after seeing at the

conference, I would stay on the academic path for now too. Isn't

vocational training something she can get as an adult any time? It will

be much easier to find that later than to go back and add academics

later. And won't the voc be more successful whenever you get there with

a strong academic foundation behind it? We all struggle and

second-guess ourselves, but continue to trust your instincts. You are

doing a beautiful job with a very difficult situation.

Hugs-

Michele W

Aubrie's mom

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,

looks horrible on paper also. I know that when I present her

to someone, I probably paint an unpleasant picture. I know my

daughter well and I know she is not an angle. Alot of times I

describe her as evil but precious. I don't paint a bad picture on

purpose but I also try to describe the entire , not just her

good side. I am fortunate right now that her good side shows more

often than her bad side. I couldn't say that 3 or 4 years ago.

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

>I think that MEETING them and seeing what they can do makes a big

difference.

> Kennedy sounds like a nightmare on paper and then people meet her

and they

> are shocked....

> Good for you Sheryl,

> Weir

> Mom to Kennedy 6 yr old with CHARGE, 15, 13 and wife to

Graeme.

> New Brunswick, Canada

> Weir homepage: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

> CHARGE SYNDROME CANADA: http://www.chargesyndrome.ca

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,

looks horrible on paper also. I know that when I present her

to someone, I probably paint an unpleasant picture. I know my

daughter well and I know she is not an angle. Alot of times I

describe her as evil but precious. I don't paint a bad picture on

purpose but I also try to describe the entire , not just her

good side. I am fortunate right now that her good side shows more

often than her bad side. I couldn't say that 3 or 4 years ago.

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

>I think that MEETING them and seeing what they can do makes a big

difference.

> Kennedy sounds like a nightmare on paper and then people meet her

and they

> are shocked....

> Good for you Sheryl,

> Weir

> Mom to Kennedy 6 yr old with CHARGE, 15, 13 and wife to

Graeme.

> New Brunswick, Canada

> Weir homepage: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

> CHARGE SYNDROME CANADA: http://www.chargesyndrome.ca

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,

looks horrible on paper also. I know that when I present her

to someone, I probably paint an unpleasant picture. I know my

daughter well and I know she is not an angle. Alot of times I

describe her as evil but precious. I don't paint a bad picture on

purpose but I also try to describe the entire , not just her

good side. I am fortunate right now that her good side shows more

often than her bad side. I couldn't say that 3 or 4 years ago.

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

>I think that MEETING them and seeing what they can do makes a big

difference.

> Kennedy sounds like a nightmare on paper and then people meet her

and they

> are shocked....

> Good for you Sheryl,

> Weir

> Mom to Kennedy 6 yr old with CHARGE, 15, 13 and wife to

Graeme.

> New Brunswick, Canada

> Weir homepage: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

> CHARGE SYNDROME CANADA: http://www.chargesyndrome.ca

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,

That's wonderful to hear the Kendra gets Sign Therapy.

hasn't gotten SLP services in ages. One excuse I heard was that she

didn't qualify because she didn't talk so what was point. She has

gotten private SLP services for 4 years now and it just gives an

additional boost to what she does in class. That goes along with

your comment about denying students who communicate in sign but have

other disabilities. I think that because of her other disabilites is

why her education became so difficult. So many of the educators

couldn't see past those to see the child as a whole and focus on

language, communication and learning. How can a person learn without

communication and how do you communicate without language? It has

amazed me how many I have come across over the years that have still

not gotten that concept. It is fortunate that we did find one that

did and has helped show that she has the ability to learn.

It just took some time to get the language in a method she could

understand so that she could communicate.

I am not sure what our specific admissions policies for our State

Schoos for the Deaf or Blind are. I don't know if we have specific

written policies. However, I believe there is a fair amount of

discrimination going on in Iowa based on comments made in my meetings

with our School for the Deaf. When I would say that they couldn't

deny her access based on her other disabilities, I was told that they

could and in the past they have denied many other children that did

not meet their admissions policy and overall vision of the school.

Wow, were those hard comments to swallow. If a child needs a signing

environment to learn, deaf or not, they shouldn't be denied the

access to that education.

I believe that if the papers on CHARGE 17 years ago did not state

that the R stood for mental retardation, it is highly possible that

more emphasis by educators and those in the medical field might not

have tried to " predetermine 's destiny " . That " R " has been

problematic from the beginning and it really stands out in

professionals minds.

I love your closing comment. That is very well said. I live for the

same day!

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

> Sheryl,

>

> It is wonderful to hear from you! I am glad that the program is

falling

> into place for l. You have really worked hard and been

through a

> lot to make positive things happen. I hope that things go

beautifully this

> week and that all is well in the Fall.

>

> What you have experienced is too common for children who are deaf

with

> additional needs in my opinion. In California, I posted about

Proposed

> Rules Changes to Admissions to California Schools for the Deaf and

the

> California School for the Blind. So far in California, there has

not been

> a written admissions policy and the new proposed written policy is

very

> discriminatory. I spoke against it in a testimony in Sacramento as

did the

> California Statewide Group of Parents of the Deaf -IMPACT. The

revised

> Proposed regulations will be posted on the CA Department of

Education

> website and then written comments will be accepted. In California,

the

> Schools for the Deaf and the Schools for the Blind have vetoed many

> requests by districts for placement. It's interesting to read that

this is

> not policy in Iowa.

>

> What puzzles me completely is how schools can deny access to

students who

> communicate in sign language. In many cases there are no other

viable

> alternatives. So often the benefits of early and intense language

exposure

> is touted as the way to help deaf students achieve their

potential. But

> when the child has additional needs, so often, all those same

comments are

> thrown out the window as if language access was not important.

>

> The attitudes break my heart constantly. As you know, we moved

back to

> California so Kendra could access a signing environment. She has

made a

> lot of progress having access to language all day long. She still

has

> visual processing or cortical vision issues and limb apraxia that

make sign

> acquisition and usage difficult. But without access to signing,

she would

> have no opportunity to gain her language skills. I've noticed that

while

> children who hear often have access to speech therapy, the idea of

sign

> therapy is most often never considered for children who are

> deaf. Thankfully, Kendra is now receiving sign therapy 3 times a

week with

> a SLP who signs and receives further support from a 1:1 aide who is

deaf

> and ASL fluent. It makes perfect sense to me, to receive these

services,

> but the fights to obtain appropriate services take such a toll.

>

> I live for the day when all children and all people will have the

respect,

> education, kindness, supports and friendships that each human

thrives with

> and deserves.

>

>

> Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

> Southern California

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Ann,

Thank you for the support on the decision for continuing the track

that we have on. I also do not agree in " age-ism " and " time-

ism " . It just so hard to get those who do believe in it to see why I

have chosen the path that I have. I have made many mistakes in

's life as well as my own. I am not perfect. I can not

change the past, but I have learned from it and am trying my best to

give the most oppertunities today and in her future.

Funny you mentioned writing down the " journey " again. I remember you

asking me if I had considered it when we met at the conference. I

was asked that by someone else just this week. My question to you

is....are you ready to help?

Thanks for your continuing advice and support!

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

> >>I live for the day when all children and all people will have the

> respect, education, kindness, supports and friendships that each

human

> thrives with and deserves.

>

>

> Mom to Kendra, 17 CHARGE, , 23 and Camille, 26

> Southern California

>

> WOW, well said! (That is a great fridge pin-up for us all to live

by).

> It is soooo great to hear this update on . Please Sheryl,

> consider formally writing down the " journey " . You could be such a

> " teacher " for other parents who may journey down the same road. And

> LOTS of videotape in the next few years, for us all to share one day

> at one of the conferences??

> As to your query, there is a life time of learning ahead. I don't

> believe in " age-ism " and " time-ism " . What you feel is the best fit

is

> right, as long as is learning and making progress. Just

keep a

> tab on frustration levels, and that decision making and problem

> solving are skills that are also encouraged, especially with 1:1.

> These are the true " life skills " .

> While your " nesting " (and have that lull of empty space), relax,

but

> also get the strength to prepare yourself for the next long

journey.

> Create in your mind what fits for your family and in terms

of

> adult life; and then find the support to make it happen!!

> Ann Gloyn

> Specialist Teacher

> Canada

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I would stay on the academic path for now too. Isn't

> vocational training something she can get as an adult any time? It

will

> be much easier to find that later than to go back and add academics

> later. And won't the voc be more successful whenever you get there

with

> a strong academic foundation behind it?

Michele,

I sure thank you for your comment here. I have said the very same

thing at many meetings when educators bring up the change to a voc

program. I know there are more options vocationally when her

schooling is finished so I want to maximize the academics now.

I have lived by this thought...What should have achieved by

age 18, she will now achieve by age 36. Might take a little longer,

but might not. One thing I do know is she will achieve what she

can.

This spring I met a teacher that gave me some valuable information.

I had always been told that would not be eligible for public

education once she turns 21 (here in Iowa). That means in the spring

of 2008 she would be finished. However, because will not

turn 22 until after the first day of school in the fall, she is

entitled to go that year also. That means she will not graduate

until 2009. Our home district was not pleased to hear that. She

also advised me that in certain circumstances, before she turns 21,

the courts can be petitioned to grant her public education until she

is 25 or 26, don't remember the exact age. I asked my attorney about

this and he did confirm the additional year until she was 22 and he

said that he has heard of the courts granting additional public

education beyond the age of 21. So it is something I will remember

to do when the time comes.

doesn't have many years left in school, but it looks like we

might gain a few and every day in school is a learning experience for

her.

Shortly after started to make progress in her 1:1 program,

the administrators of the SpEd department did a presentation to the

school board about the importance of getting children the services

they need when they are younger and how they will end up costing less

to educate when they are older. It was unfortunate that was

the example of trying to save money early on and how expensive she is

to educate now. I don't know if it helped any, but at least it was

recognized as a problem in the district.

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

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Sheryl-

It really s**** that was the example of bad situation, but if

there was a video or some other documentation, you need to save it.

That may be very helpful later when trying to petition the court to

extend her educational years.

You are absolutely doing the right thing. You always have. Keep with

it. She will surprise everyone and be a good example of how things can

work.

Michele W

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Sheryl:

It is so true that the earlier the intervention/education, the less it later

costs. There was a woman at the Indiana School for the Deaf who lives by

the motto:

" It is better to raise a child, than to fix an adult. " This applies to our

children in education aspects even more than the " normal " population.

Friends in CHARGE,

Marilyn Ogan

Mom of Ken (14 yrs., ADD) and (11 yrs., CHARGE+)

Wife of Rick

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Re: school placements

Shortly after started to make progress in her 1:1 program,

the administrators of the SpEd department did a presentation to the

school board about the importance of getting children the services

they need when they are younger and how they will end up costing less

to educate when they are older. It was unfortunate that was

the example of trying to save money early on and how expensive she is

to educate now. I don't know if it helped any, but at least it was

recognized as a problem in the district.

Sheryl

Mom to Mitch 18 & 17 CHARGE

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