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That's not the real issue, as it's easy to keep the temp. controlled in the

ambulance provided you have system to keep the A/C in the pt. compartment on

while parked, either by keeping the ambulance running, or plugging it in.

What you cannot control is the temp. that the drugs are exposed to during

shipping and storage prior to when you got them. The manufacturing label

doesn't say for how long the exposure can be, it just says " store between X

and X " . When I called one of our drug companies to inquire once, I got at

least 4 different stories. As it stands, most services I am aware of keep

the units rear A/C on during the summer. We have portable igloo coolers that

plug into the rear electrical outlets for things that need to be

refrigerated.

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> What actions, if any, have your agencies taken to prevent the exposure of

your medications to temperatures outside of ther manufacturers

reccomendations? I realize there are some political issues regarding this

but I am primarily interested in what your agency has done to address the

requirement that we are supposed to do something. I am particularly

interested in the use of devices or practices to control the temperatures

the medication are exposed to.

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This research is for a class I plan to teach in the near future.

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When on shore-line or in service, our box is air-conditionioned, and a small

refrigerator is provided for those meds (Succs / Ativan) that need lower

temps.

Terry Dinerman

" ....it is far better to dare MIGHTY things!

To win glorious triumphs, though checkered by failures,

than to take rank with those poor spirits who

neither enjoy much, nor suffer much,

for they live in that grey twilight that knows

neither VICTORY nor DEFEAT. "

Theodore Roosevelt

Question for the Group

> What actions, if any, have your agencies taken to prevent the exposure of

your medications to temperatures outside of ther manufacturers

reccomendations? I realize there are some political issues regarding this

but I am primarily interested in what your agency has done to address the

requirement that we are supposed to do something. I am particularly

interested in the use of devices or practices to control the temperatures

the medication are exposed to.

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> If you prefer you may respond to me privately at sdralle@....

This research is for a class I plan to teach in the near future.

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> Thanks,

> Steve Dralle

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Ditto.

We have shoreline power that runs our A/C when parked, and our generator

runs it when in service. We installed small refrigerators to handle

medications requiring temps below the normal room temps.

Mike

> When on shore-line or in service, our box is air-conditionioned, and a

small

> refrigerator is provided for those meds (Succs / Ativan) that need lower

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Ditto.

We have shoreline power that runs our A/C when parked, and our generator

runs it when in service. We installed small refrigerators to handle

medications requiring temps below the normal room temps.

Mike

> When on shore-line or in service, our box is air-conditionioned, and a

small

> refrigerator is provided for those meds (Succs / Ativan) that need lower

> temps.

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Steve,

We retrofitted all of the existing trucks with a seperate AC unit that runs

off the shoreline. New units are designed to run both off the engine and off

the shoreline. When trucks are in station, they plug it in. When out we keep

them running.

Question for the Group

> What actions, if any, have your agencies taken to prevent the exposure of

your medications to temperatures outside of ther manufacturers

reccomendations? I realize there are some political issues regarding this

but I am primarily interested in what your agency has done to address the

requirement that we are supposed to do something. I am particularly

interested in the use of devices or practices to control the temperatures

the medication are exposed to.

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> If you prefer you may respond to me privately at sdralle@....

This research is for a class I plan to teach in the near future.

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> Thanks,

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> Steve Dralle

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Steve,

We retrofitted all of the existing trucks with a seperate AC unit that runs

off the shoreline. New units are designed to run both off the engine and off

the shoreline. When trucks are in station, they plug it in. When out we keep

them running.

Question for the Group

> What actions, if any, have your agencies taken to prevent the exposure of

your medications to temperatures outside of ther manufacturers

reccomendations? I realize there are some political issues regarding this

but I am primarily interested in what your agency has done to address the

requirement that we are supposed to do something. I am particularly

interested in the use of devices or practices to control the temperatures

the medication are exposed to.

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>

> If you prefer you may respond to me privately at sdralle@....

This research is for a class I plan to teach in the near future.

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>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Steve Dralle

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We have refrigerators on each unit and keep the unit on A\C power when not on a

call. A\C powers the Air and heating unit. When on a call the generator powers

the Air and heating. We keep a small computer temperature logging unit in the

refrigerator and the drug box. We also keep one in the supply room in the

station where the meds are stored. Once a month we down load the information

from the temperature logging unit on each truck and supply room in to the

computer and print out in the form of a graph that shows temperatures over a

month period. We address any problems we find and then place in file for TDH if

they want to take a look at it. Generally the only issues we have found is when

a unit was not plugged in upon returning to the station. This does not occur to

frequently. We utilize Frazer trucks so the need for AC power is not a problem.

There may be other ways to handle it. The temp can be purchased

from United Refrigeration . When we purchased them they ran about

$60.00. They came with the computer program.

Henry Barber

" Dralle, Steve " wrote:

> What actions, if any, have your agencies taken to prevent the exposure of your

medications to temperatures outside of ther manufacturers reccomendations? I

realize there are some political issues regarding this but I am primarily

interested in what your agency has done to address the requirement that we are

supposed to do something. I am particularly interested in the use of devices or

practices to control the temperatures the medication are exposed to.

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> If you prefer you may respond to me privately at sdralle@.... This

research is for a class I plan to teach in the near future.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Steve Dralle

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I'm not sure why people are hostile toward that group. If I were you, I'd

go ahead and participate. Walking is good for you, and you'll be helping

people at the same time.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:53 AM

To: Blind Diabetics

Subject: Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a

walk sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I

didn't realize the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA

and when a few new diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating

in the walk they got down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt

because I thought I'm doing something important in raising funds so the ADA

can lobby congress and sponsor new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the

walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@... <mailto:rickyjoe%40comcast.net>

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I'm not sure why people are hostile toward that group. If I were you, I'd

go ahead and participate. Walking is good for you, and you'll be helping

people at the same time.

Becky

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From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:53 AM

To: Blind Diabetics

Subject: Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a

walk sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I

didn't realize the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA

and when a few new diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating

in the walk they got down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt

because I thought I'm doing something important in raising funds so the ADA

can lobby congress and sponsor new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the

walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@... <mailto:rickyjoe%40comcast.net>

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I'm not sure why people are hostile toward that group. If I were you, I'd

go ahead and participate. Walking is good for you, and you'll be helping

people at the same time.

Becky

_____

From: blind-diabetics

[mailto:blind-diabetics ] On Behalf Of Ricky Joe Cook

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:53 AM

To: Blind Diabetics

Subject: Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a

walk sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I

didn't realize the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA

and when a few new diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating

in the walk they got down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt

because I thought I'm doing something important in raising funds so the ADA

can lobby congress and sponsor new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the

walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@... <mailto:rickyjoe%40comcast.net>

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The walk will be good for you! As far as supporting the ADA, I'm not able to

offer an informed argument as to why or why not, but my impression is that they

have probably out-lived their usefulness. They've probably got lots of people

that aren't too interested in losing their jobs.

Over the years, some of us on the list have criticized the ADA's apparent out

dated recommendations, and if nothing else, supporting them is only helping to

promote a model of diabetes care that has come under increased scrutiny as of

late. If I'm not mistaken, most notably, their continued promotion of what many

of us believe is a diet too high in carbohydrates.

I'm looking forward to the opinions and thoughts from some others who might be

more informed than yours truly.

Dave

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Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a walk

sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I didn't realize

the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA and when a few new

diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating in the walk they got

down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt because I thought I'm doing

something important in raising funds so the ADA can lobby congress and sponsor

new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@...

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The walk will be good for you! As far as supporting the ADA, I'm not able to

offer an informed argument as to why or why not, but my impression is that they

have probably out-lived their usefulness. They've probably got lots of people

that aren't too interested in losing their jobs.

Over the years, some of us on the list have criticized the ADA's apparent out

dated recommendations, and if nothing else, supporting them is only helping to

promote a model of diabetes care that has come under increased scrutiny as of

late. If I'm not mistaken, most notably, their continued promotion of what many

of us believe is a diet too high in carbohydrates.

I'm looking forward to the opinions and thoughts from some others who might be

more informed than yours truly.

Dave

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Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a walk

sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I didn't realize

the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA and when a few new

diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating in the walk they got

down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt because I thought I'm doing

something important in raising funds so the ADA can lobby congress and sponsor

new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@...

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Ricky JOE, WHO is running YOUR life? YOU OR the new friends? IF YOU, then if

YOU want TO enter the walk, DO it. IF they are, but YOU still want TO DO it,

let them KNOW that YOU are an adult and can and will make YOUR OWN DECISIONS,

thank YOU.

Terrie with Bunny and Jade.

skype name is bunnyrabbit072

email FOR THOSE WHO want TO write OFF list is shineyDOG@...

OR call 778- 395-7235

Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a walk

sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I didn't realize

the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA and when a few new

diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating in the walk they got

down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt because I thought I'm doing

something important in raising funds so the ADA can lobby congress and sponsor

new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@...

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Ricky JOE, WHO is running YOUR life? YOU OR the new friends? IF YOU, then if

YOU want TO enter the walk, DO it. IF they are, but YOU still want TO DO it,

let them KNOW that YOU are an adult and can and will make YOUR OWN DECISIONS,

thank YOU.

Terrie with Bunny and Jade.

skype name is bunnyrabbit072

email FOR THOSE WHO want TO write OFF list is shineyDOG@...

OR call 778- 395-7235

Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a walk

sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I didn't realize

the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA and when a few new

diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating in the walk they got

down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt because I thought I'm doing

something important in raising funds so the ADA can lobby congress and sponsor

new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@...

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Ricky,

The ADA is mostly a polical group, which has done a lot to promote funding

for diabetes research. There is nothing wrong in your walking for that. I

don't believe all they promote -usch as too high carbs for most diabetics,

but they do help make more government money available to research.

Question for the group

Hi group, have a question for you. I was thinking about taking part in a

walk sponsored by the ADA The Red Strider walk in September. Anyway, I

didn't realize the hostility that a lot of diabetics have towards the ADA

and when a few new diabetic friends I had made found out I was participating

in the walk they got down right hostile towards me. I was and am hurt

because I thought I'm doing something important in raising funds so the ADA

can lobby congress and sponsor new ideas for treatment.

So am I wrong for participating in the walk and should I pull out of the

walk?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,

Chef Ricky Joe Cook

" The Blind Chef "

Ricky Joe's Personal Chef Service

Phone

Cell

Email rickyjoe@... <mailto:rickyjoe%40comcast.net>

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