Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 AGHH!!!! PAM!!!! Tell I said CONGRATULATIONS!!!! This is TOO cool! By far the best news I've heard ALL day long! If I had the room to do cart wheels I would be! I'm more excited for than I was for myself! Whoo-Whoo!!! I think I need to sit down! Wait...I am sitting! Does anybody know where the floor went!?!? Okay...now on to the nay-sayers! Put your thumbs by your ears, stick out your tongue and make rasberries at them! In my oppinion they are jealous of the fact that has her stuff together at such a young age. If I had the opportunity at her age I would have jumped on the band wagon then! Unfortunately I didn't. I didn't have to wait as long as some of the others in this group, but I understand why some people may be upset about the idea. However, why would any of us give the advice that we know does not work? Diet and exercise? Medically supervised or not! We know from experience that it doesn't work! Is it that for some it was so long ago that they were 17 that they don't remember? It wasn't that long ago for me and let me tell ya I do remember! It wasn't the most horrid time of my life, but it wasn't the best either. And as I recall it got worse/more frustrating as I got closer to 20 and beyond. Why would we want to put someone through all that if they can fix it now? And, in regard the medical aspect. While may be perfectly healthy now we all know that it doesn't last. I'm 23 years old with arthritis in BOTH of my knees and one of my ankles. 23!!! This is WAY TOO YOUNG! I can't kneel on the floor and get back up without help! 23!! Keep that in mind when you tell someone you don't think they should have the opportunity that you've had. Stepping off her soap box, departs the room. Good Day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 AGHH!!!! PAM!!!! Tell I said CONGRATULATIONS!!!! This is TOO cool! By far the best news I've heard ALL day long! If I had the room to do cart wheels I would be! I'm more excited for than I was for myself! Whoo-Whoo!!! I think I need to sit down! Wait...I am sitting! Does anybody know where the floor went!?!? Okay...now on to the nay-sayers! Put your thumbs by your ears, stick out your tongue and make rasberries at them! In my oppinion they are jealous of the fact that has her stuff together at such a young age. If I had the opportunity at her age I would have jumped on the band wagon then! Unfortunately I didn't. I didn't have to wait as long as some of the others in this group, but I understand why some people may be upset about the idea. However, why would any of us give the advice that we know does not work? Diet and exercise? Medically supervised or not! We know from experience that it doesn't work! Is it that for some it was so long ago that they were 17 that they don't remember? It wasn't that long ago for me and let me tell ya I do remember! It wasn't the most horrid time of my life, but it wasn't the best either. And as I recall it got worse/more frustrating as I got closer to 20 and beyond. Why would we want to put someone through all that if they can fix it now? And, in regard the medical aspect. While may be perfectly healthy now we all know that it doesn't last. I'm 23 years old with arthritis in BOTH of my knees and one of my ankles. 23!!! This is WAY TOO YOUNG! I can't kneel on the floor and get back up without help! 23!! Keep that in mind when you tell someone you don't think they should have the opportunity that you've had. Stepping off her soap box, departs the room. Good Day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 I applaud on her investigating surgery as an option and am impressed with bcbs for approving her surgery.I only wish this option had been available when I was a teenager.It would have saved several years of feeling like I was a social outcast because of my size. As for the people responding to your list from ossg-tell LAura to listen to what is in her heart- She will know what she is in for through the research and all the letter of support she gets here. Wishing a " thin " future as an adult. AmyH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Pam-- That's really great news! And in my book, there's no better way to understand the risks and changes she faces than looking to her own mother. My husband Rick is now considering surgery, which he needs in order to give his heart a chance to heal from congestive heart failure. After seeing how well I'm doing and what was involved for me, he's a real advocate. For him this is truly a life-saving procedure. If his meds don't make his heart better, and so far they're not, his only other option is a heart transplant, which he's not eligible for at his present weight of 304. How's that for a catch 22? Fortunately, Dr. R thinks he's a good candidate for surgery and that losing the weight will take the pressure off his heart, give the meds a chance to work, and keep him from even having to consider a heart transplant. We're now waiting for approval. Don't worry about the naysayers. Anybody who's read any of the scientific literature knows that DIETS DON'T WORK!!!! NOT EVEN SUPERVISED ONES!!! Ask any of us who have tried them all. Best of luck to you all. Katy Musolino Durham 43 lbs after 7 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Pam, YAY for ! I am so envious that she is getting the chance for a long " normal " healthy life at such a young age. As I said before, I think that if is willing to do all of the research, etc. by herself, then she is mature enough to choose the surgery. I can't believe people would question your judgement. Being a post-op patient, noone knows better than you the risks involved with this procedure. If after all of your research, as well as your own surgery, you thought for one second that this was not in the best interest of your child, you would certainly not let it happen. I am sure it is scary for you, as the mommy - but I can only imagine what a wonderful support you will be to as she is recovering. Tell not to listen to those people with negative and beligerent oppinions. They are just bitter and jealous because they had to live the majority of their life as morbidly obese before they sought/received help. Unfortunately some people find it necessary to spew their negative oppinions even when they are not welcomed. I am so excite for ! Congrats! -Tara Lynn --- Paam Greer wrote: > > > Dear Folks, > > Never ask this group a question unless you want > their honest > opinion.......First the good news (at least we think > so)....State > Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just > APPROVED LAURA for > surgery between now and 10/99!!! > > Once they figured out the request wasn't a > duplication of mine it took > about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing > date.....Gotta love > this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would > switch to any of > the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if > I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for > my meds up front > (even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud > service) to get to > keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > > I said good news first, now here's the not so good > news: If I thought > I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it > pales in > comparison to the vitriolic responses is > getting from several > people......although most of the less than tactful > ones seem to be > with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list > too....The half > who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least > taking the approach > that if is mature enough to do the research, > write her own > letters, do the contacting etc....in other words > jump through all the > hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the > procedure..... > > As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their > diatribes about " no > matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea > what this surgery > is really all about, the possible consequences, > she's young enough she > could exercise and stick to a diet and get the > weight off that > way " ....DUH!!! > > How can someone who knows how many years most of us > struggle with > weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, > yada....with little permanent > success actually suggest the very thing that they > get mad about if > someone suggests it to them? > > If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a > genetic > pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what > difference does age > have to do with the " diet and exercise " being > successful? > > I am not pushing to have this surgery. This > is her idea. She > does know the pros and cons and actual daily life > changes following > this surgery......she lives with an " example " . > She's kept up with all > the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not > having this surgery > just so she can attract " guys " , there are health > issues involved. > > Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her > cub........please do feel > free to share your views, after all she did ask your > opinions, but if > you have a negative opinion please at least try to > be tactful about > it. > > The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a > suitable candidate > after meeting and talking with her; her > counselor/psychologist and > family doctor both strongly support the procedure > for , and her > father and I are behind her...then that ought to be > a fair indication > that the individuals who know her best are neither > pushing nor > hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed > mature enough to > handle this. > > Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the > recovery process. I > know there are no guarantees that everything will go > perfectly...there > could be complications and if that happens I will > feel guilty because > no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their > lives for > anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the > Good Lord will > take care of that end of things....and if having > this surgery saves > her years of health problems and unhappiness....then > I will be her > biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What's " Grow to Give " ? > http://www.onelist.com > It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See > homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at > Onelist.com > _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 You go Mama Bear - Protect that Cub. The surgery will be difficult but she's young enough to adjust. If I can learn to adjust at my age - 48 - then she should have no problem. You're doing the most important thing - being there for her and supporting her decisions and just loving her. Janie Whitford 03/25/99 - 344 05/04/99 - 308 > & Surgery > > > > Dear Folks, > > Never ask this group a question unless you want their honest > opinion.......First the good news (at least we think so)....State > Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just APPROVED LAURA for > surgery between now and 10/99!!! > > Once they figured out the request wasn't a duplication of mine it took > about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing date.....Gotta love > this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would switch to any of > the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for my meds up front > (even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud service) to get to > keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > > I said good news first, now here's the not so good news: If I thought > I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it pales in > comparison to the vitriolic responses is getting from several > people......although most of the less than tactful ones seem to be > with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list too....The half > who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least taking the approach > that if is mature enough to do the research, write her own > letters, do the contacting etc....in other words jump through all the > hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the procedure..... > > As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their diatribes about " no > matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea what this surgery > is really all about, the possible consequences, she's young enough she > could exercise and stick to a diet and get the weight off that > way " ....DUH!!! > > How can someone who knows how many years most of us struggle with > weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, yada....with little permanent > success actually suggest the very thing that they get mad about if > someone suggests it to them? > > If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a genetic > pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what difference does age > have to do with the " diet and exercise " being successful? > > I am not pushing to have this surgery. This is her idea. She > does know the pros and cons and actual daily life changes following > this surgery......she lives with an " example " . She's kept up with all > the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not having this surgery > just so she can attract " guys " , there are health issues involved. > > Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her cub........please do feel > free to share your views, after all she did ask your opinions, but if > you have a negative opinion please at least try to be tactful about > it. > > The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a suitable candidate > after meeting and talking with her; her counselor/psychologist and > family doctor both strongly support the procedure for , and her > father and I are behind her...then that ought to be a fair indication > that the individuals who know her best are neither pushing nor > hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed mature enough to > handle this. > > Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the recovery process. I > know there are no guarantees that everything will go perfectly...there > could be complications and if that happens I will feel guilty because > no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their lives for > anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the Good Lord will > take care of that end of things....and if having this surgery saves > her years of health problems and unhappiness....then I will be her > biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What's " Grow to Give " ? > http://www.onelist.com > It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 You go Mama Bear - Protect that Cub. The surgery will be difficult but she's young enough to adjust. If I can learn to adjust at my age - 48 - then she should have no problem. You're doing the most important thing - being there for her and supporting her decisions and just loving her. Janie Whitford 03/25/99 - 344 05/04/99 - 308 > & Surgery > > > > Dear Folks, > > Never ask this group a question unless you want their honest > opinion.......First the good news (at least we think so)....State > Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just APPROVED LAURA for > surgery between now and 10/99!!! > > Once they figured out the request wasn't a duplication of mine it took > about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing date.....Gotta love > this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would switch to any of > the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for my meds up front > (even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud service) to get to > keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > > I said good news first, now here's the not so good news: If I thought > I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it pales in > comparison to the vitriolic responses is getting from several > people......although most of the less than tactful ones seem to be > with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list too....The half > who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least taking the approach > that if is mature enough to do the research, write her own > letters, do the contacting etc....in other words jump through all the > hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the procedure..... > > As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their diatribes about " no > matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea what this surgery > is really all about, the possible consequences, she's young enough she > could exercise and stick to a diet and get the weight off that > way " ....DUH!!! > > How can someone who knows how many years most of us struggle with > weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, yada....with little permanent > success actually suggest the very thing that they get mad about if > someone suggests it to them? > > If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a genetic > pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what difference does age > have to do with the " diet and exercise " being successful? > > I am not pushing to have this surgery. This is her idea. She > does know the pros and cons and actual daily life changes following > this surgery......she lives with an " example " . She's kept up with all > the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not having this surgery > just so she can attract " guys " , there are health issues involved. > > Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her cub........please do feel > free to share your views, after all she did ask your opinions, but if > you have a negative opinion please at least try to be tactful about > it. > > The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a suitable candidate > after meeting and talking with her; her counselor/psychologist and > family doctor both strongly support the procedure for , and her > father and I are behind her...then that ought to be a fair indication > that the individuals who know her best are neither pushing nor > hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed mature enough to > handle this. > > Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the recovery process. I > know there are no guarantees that everything will go perfectly...there > could be complications and if that happens I will feel guilty because > no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their lives for > anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the Good Lord will > take care of that end of things....and if having this surgery saves > her years of health problems and unhappiness....then I will be her > biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What's " Grow to Give " ? > http://www.onelist.com > It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 You go Mama Bear - Protect that Cub. The surgery will be difficult but she's young enough to adjust. If I can learn to adjust at my age - 48 - then she should have no problem. You're doing the most important thing - being there for her and supporting her decisions and just loving her. Janie Whitford 03/25/99 - 344 05/04/99 - 308 > & Surgery > > > > Dear Folks, > > Never ask this group a question unless you want their honest > opinion.......First the good news (at least we think so)....State > Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just APPROVED LAURA for > surgery between now and 10/99!!! > > Once they figured out the request wasn't a duplication of mine it took > about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing date.....Gotta love > this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would switch to any of > the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for my meds up front > (even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud service) to get to > keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > > I said good news first, now here's the not so good news: If I thought > I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it pales in > comparison to the vitriolic responses is getting from several > people......although most of the less than tactful ones seem to be > with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list too....The half > who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least taking the approach > that if is mature enough to do the research, write her own > letters, do the contacting etc....in other words jump through all the > hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the procedure..... > > As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their diatribes about " no > matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea what this surgery > is really all about, the possible consequences, she's young enough she > could exercise and stick to a diet and get the weight off that > way " ....DUH!!! > > How can someone who knows how many years most of us struggle with > weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, yada....with little permanent > success actually suggest the very thing that they get mad about if > someone suggests it to them? > > If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a genetic > pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what difference does age > have to do with the " diet and exercise " being successful? > > I am not pushing to have this surgery. This is her idea. She > does know the pros and cons and actual daily life changes following > this surgery......she lives with an " example " . She's kept up with all > the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not having this surgery > just so she can attract " guys " , there are health issues involved. > > Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her cub........please do feel > free to share your views, after all she did ask your opinions, but if > you have a negative opinion please at least try to be tactful about > it. > > The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a suitable candidate > after meeting and talking with her; her counselor/psychologist and > family doctor both strongly support the procedure for , and her > father and I are behind her...then that ought to be a fair indication > that the individuals who know her best are neither pushing nor > hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed mature enough to > handle this. > > Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the recovery process. I > know there are no guarantees that everything will go perfectly...there > could be complications and if that happens I will feel guilty because > no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their lives for > anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the Good Lord will > take care of that end of things....and if having this surgery saves > her years of health problems and unhappiness....then I will be her > biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > What's " Grow to Give " ? > http://www.onelist.com > It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 I can only speak for myself- but if I had this option (the lap) introduced to me when I was 17-18 yrs old- I would have jumped at the chance.... yes- your entire being changes, life decisions rely on this change, your thinking changes, and it is MAJOR!!!! BUT- to not go through what I have gone through since that age (self esteem issues, bad relationship decisions based upon the first, health issues before during and after pregnancy (but mostly during becuase it effected another human being), life expectancy, personal outlook, societal outlook, etc.- would be a godsend. I say- any person, over age 16, who has the intelligence to sort through all the info out there, reserach post op lifestyles, talk to those that have been there, and have a good gripe on reality- have no less a chance at a normal healthy life than the rest of us. To all those that say she could diet and exersise- I don't see you out there utilizing that tool aone- those that are on this list and OSSG- are either thinking of, researching for, or pre op or post op some form of WLS- so they are utilizing this tool (either mentally or physically). Just my opinion- no flames will be accepted :-) Bonnie -- Bonnie mom to Josie and Marielle TCS Awareness Page http://www.mindspring.com/~borchert/tcs.htm Lipomylomeningocele Family Support Group http://www.mindspring.com/~borchert/index.htm ****** " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. " - Margaret Mead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 I can only speak for myself- but if I had this option (the lap) introduced to me when I was 17-18 yrs old- I would have jumped at the chance.... yes- your entire being changes, life decisions rely on this change, your thinking changes, and it is MAJOR!!!! BUT- to not go through what I have gone through since that age (self esteem issues, bad relationship decisions based upon the first, health issues before during and after pregnancy (but mostly during becuase it effected another human being), life expectancy, personal outlook, societal outlook, etc.- would be a godsend. I say- any person, over age 16, who has the intelligence to sort through all the info out there, reserach post op lifestyles, talk to those that have been there, and have a good gripe on reality- have no less a chance at a normal healthy life than the rest of us. To all those that say she could diet and exersise- I don't see you out there utilizing that tool aone- those that are on this list and OSSG- are either thinking of, researching for, or pre op or post op some form of WLS- so they are utilizing this tool (either mentally or physically). Just my opinion- no flames will be accepted :-) Bonnie -- Bonnie mom to Josie and Marielle TCS Awareness Page http://www.mindspring.com/~borchert/tcs.htm Lipomylomeningocele Family Support Group http://www.mindspring.com/~borchert/index.htm ****** " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. " - Margaret Mead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Boy- the spelling of my last post was horrible- I forgot to spell check... One more thing- those that are on this list that are not interested in WLS- should not even be here. This is a support list for those needing info and those going through WLS- not for those out to hurt others looking into it... -- Bonnie mom to Josie and Marielle TCS Awareness Page http://www.mindspring.com/~borchert/tcs.htm Lipomylomeningocele Family Support Group http://www.mindspring.com/~borchert/index.htm ****** " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. " - Margaret Mead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who wrote concerning my being down due to insurance problems. I knew you would all rise to the occasion and come to my rescue! You can't begin to imagine how good it made me feel! Thanks to all! Now about and her surgery: If we were fat or obese as children, we know all to well the taunts and ridicule that society and other children put us through. It became even worse in our teen years because our peers couldn't accept us the way we were! When I was 's age, this surgery wasn't even a consideration! How I wish it had been! Like many of you out there, our lives would have been much different if we hadn't been fat! People who don't think is old enough, have never been fat throughout their lives. They've never had to endure the humiliation that only persons of weight experience. , you are intelligent enough to know that you don't want to be fat and you have an excellent chance of being " normal " . GO FOR IT! You have every right to happiness and fulfillment that any adult has. Just because we have lived more years than you, doesn't mean we have all the answers. Could it be jealousy on our parts because we didn't have this wonderful opportunity? And all of us here that have either gone through or are waiting to go through the surgery, know first hand that diet and exercise don't work except for about 5% of the population, then they don't maintain it! Diet and exercise! Hmmmpppffff! had to laugh out loud at that one!!!!!! Congratulations to you and I know you will do great! Tina Pre-op BMI 50 in holding pattern..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who wrote concerning my being down due to insurance problems. I knew you would all rise to the occasion and come to my rescue! You can't begin to imagine how good it made me feel! Thanks to all! Now about and her surgery: If we were fat or obese as children, we know all to well the taunts and ridicule that society and other children put us through. It became even worse in our teen years because our peers couldn't accept us the way we were! When I was 's age, this surgery wasn't even a consideration! How I wish it had been! Like many of you out there, our lives would have been much different if we hadn't been fat! People who don't think is old enough, have never been fat throughout their lives. They've never had to endure the humiliation that only persons of weight experience. , you are intelligent enough to know that you don't want to be fat and you have an excellent chance of being " normal " . GO FOR IT! You have every right to happiness and fulfillment that any adult has. Just because we have lived more years than you, doesn't mean we have all the answers. Could it be jealousy on our parts because we didn't have this wonderful opportunity? And all of us here that have either gone through or are waiting to go through the surgery, know first hand that diet and exercise don't work except for about 5% of the population, then they don't maintain it! Diet and exercise! Hmmmpppffff! had to laugh out loud at that one!!!!!! Congratulations to you and I know you will do great! Tina Pre-op BMI 50 in holding pattern..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who wrote concerning my being down due to insurance problems. I knew you would all rise to the occasion and come to my rescue! You can't begin to imagine how good it made me feel! Thanks to all! Now about and her surgery: If we were fat or obese as children, we know all to well the taunts and ridicule that society and other children put us through. It became even worse in our teen years because our peers couldn't accept us the way we were! When I was 's age, this surgery wasn't even a consideration! How I wish it had been! Like many of you out there, our lives would have been much different if we hadn't been fat! People who don't think is old enough, have never been fat throughout their lives. They've never had to endure the humiliation that only persons of weight experience. , you are intelligent enough to know that you don't want to be fat and you have an excellent chance of being " normal " . GO FOR IT! You have every right to happiness and fulfillment that any adult has. Just because we have lived more years than you, doesn't mean we have all the answers. Could it be jealousy on our parts because we didn't have this wonderful opportunity? And all of us here that have either gone through or are waiting to go through the surgery, know first hand that diet and exercise don't work except for about 5% of the population, then they don't maintain it! Diet and exercise! Hmmmpppffff! had to laugh out loud at that one!!!!!! Congratulations to you and I know you will do great! Tina Pre-op BMI 50 in holding pattern..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 ......those are probably the same nay-sayers who say no to any preventive proceedure/surgery that would prevent premature death and/or disability....(my $.02) A & Surgery > > >Dear Folks, > >Never ask this group a question unless you want their honest >opinion.......First the good news (at least we think so)....State >Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just APPROVED LAURA for >surgery between now and 10/99!!! > >Once they figured out the request wasn't a duplication of mine it took >about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing date.....Gotta love >this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would switch to any of >the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for my meds up front >(even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud service) to get to >keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > >I said good news first, now here's the not so good news: If I thought >I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it pales in >comparison to the vitriolic responses is getting from several >people......although most of the less than tactful ones seem to be >with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list too....The half >who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least taking the approach >that if is mature enough to do the research, write her own >letters, do the contacting etc....in other words jump through all the >hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the procedure..... > >As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their diatribes about " no >matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea what this surgery >is really all about, the possible consequences, she's young enough she >could exercise and stick to a diet and get the weight off that >way " ....DUH!!! > >How can someone who knows how many years most of us struggle with >weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, yada....with little permanent >success actually suggest the very thing that they get mad about if >someone suggests it to them? > >If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a genetic >pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what difference does age >have to do with the " diet and exercise " being successful? > >I am not pushing to have this surgery. This is her idea. She >does know the pros and cons and actual daily life changes following >this surgery......she lives with an " example " . She's kept up with all >the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not having this surgery >just so she can attract " guys " , there are health issues involved. > >Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her cub........please do feel >free to share your views, after all she did ask your opinions, but if >you have a negative opinion please at least try to be tactful about >it. > >The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a suitable candidate >after meeting and talking with her; her counselor/psychologist and >family doctor both strongly support the procedure for , and her >father and I are behind her...then that ought to be a fair indication >that the individuals who know her best are neither pushing nor >hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed mature enough to >handle this. > >Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the recovery process. I >know there are no guarantees that everything will go perfectly...there >could be complications and if that happens I will feel guilty because >no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their lives for >anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the Good Lord will >take care of that end of things....and if having this surgery saves >her years of health problems and unhappiness....then I will be her >biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's " Grow to Give " ? >http://www.onelist.com >It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 ......those are probably the same nay-sayers who say no to any preventive proceedure/surgery that would prevent premature death and/or disability....(my $.02) A & Surgery > > >Dear Folks, > >Never ask this group a question unless you want their honest >opinion.......First the good news (at least we think so)....State >Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just APPROVED LAURA for >surgery between now and 10/99!!! > >Once they figured out the request wasn't a duplication of mine it took >about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing date.....Gotta love >this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would switch to any of >the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for my meds up front >(even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud service) to get to >keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > >I said good news first, now here's the not so good news: If I thought >I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it pales in >comparison to the vitriolic responses is getting from several >people......although most of the less than tactful ones seem to be >with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list too....The half >who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least taking the approach >that if is mature enough to do the research, write her own >letters, do the contacting etc....in other words jump through all the >hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the procedure..... > >As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their diatribes about " no >matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea what this surgery >is really all about, the possible consequences, she's young enough she >could exercise and stick to a diet and get the weight off that >way " ....DUH!!! > >How can someone who knows how many years most of us struggle with >weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, yada....with little permanent >success actually suggest the very thing that they get mad about if >someone suggests it to them? > >If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a genetic >pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what difference does age >have to do with the " diet and exercise " being successful? > >I am not pushing to have this surgery. This is her idea. She >does know the pros and cons and actual daily life changes following >this surgery......she lives with an " example " . She's kept up with all >the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not having this surgery >just so she can attract " guys " , there are health issues involved. > >Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her cub........please do feel >free to share your views, after all she did ask your opinions, but if >you have a negative opinion please at least try to be tactful about >it. > >The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a suitable candidate >after meeting and talking with her; her counselor/psychologist and >family doctor both strongly support the procedure for , and her >father and I are behind her...then that ought to be a fair indication >that the individuals who know her best are neither pushing nor >hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed mature enough to >handle this. > >Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the recovery process. I >know there are no guarantees that everything will go perfectly...there >could be complications and if that happens I will feel guilty because >no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their lives for >anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the Good Lord will >take care of that end of things....and if having this surgery saves >her years of health problems and unhappiness....then I will be her >biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's " Grow to Give " ? >http://www.onelist.com >It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 ......those are probably the same nay-sayers who say no to any preventive proceedure/surgery that would prevent premature death and/or disability....(my $.02) A & Surgery > > >Dear Folks, > >Never ask this group a question unless you want their honest >opinion.......First the good news (at least we think so)....State >Employees Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC has just APPROVED LAURA for >surgery between now and 10/99!!! > >Once they figured out the request wasn't a duplication of mine it took >about two weeks for approval from Dr. R's filing date.....Gotta love >this insurance company!!!! There's no way I would switch to any of >the HMO or Managed Care plans the state has even if I did get a > " prescription card " out of the deal. I'll pay for my meds up front >(even if I have to rent out the poodles for stud service) to get to >keep the kind of benefits and coverage I have. > >I said good news first, now here's the not so good news: If I thought >I caught (^#%$ & ) for my " rabid " defense of Dr. R, it pales in >comparison to the vitriolic responses is getting from several >people......although most of the less than tactful ones seem to be >with the OSSG bunch who must be monitoring our list too....The half >who know me and Dr. R and his surgery are at least taking the approach >that if is mature enough to do the research, write her own >letters, do the contacting etc....in other words jump through all the >hoops on her own, then she's old enough for the procedure..... > >As for the nay-sayers, they are vehement in their diatribes about " no >matter how smart she thinks she is, she has no idea what this surgery >is really all about, the possible consequences, she's young enough she >could exercise and stick to a diet and get the weight off that >way " ....DUH!!! > >How can someone who knows how many years most of us struggle with >weight loss products, diets, yada, yada, yada....with little permanent >success actually suggest the very thing that they get mad about if >someone suggests it to them? > >If we truly accept the premise that obesity is a genetic >pre-disposition instead of a character flaw what difference does age >have to do with the " diet and exercise " being successful? > >I am not pushing to have this surgery. This is her idea. She >does know the pros and cons and actual daily life changes following >this surgery......she lives with an " example " . She's kept up with all >the e-mails from the MGB bunch too.....She's not having this surgery >just so she can attract " guys " , there are health issues involved. > >Anyway, now that Mama Lion has defended her cub........please do feel >free to share your views, after all she did ask your opinions, but if >you have a negative opinion please at least try to be tactful about >it. > >The way I look at it: If Dr. R thinks she is a suitable candidate >after meeting and talking with her; her counselor/psychologist and >family doctor both strongly support the procedure for , and her >father and I are behind her...then that ought to be a fair indication >that the individuals who know her best are neither pushing nor >hindering her in her desire and that she is indeed mature enough to >handle this. > >Heaven knows, her young age ought to speed the recovery process. I >know there are no guarantees that everything will go perfectly...there >could be complications and if that happens I will feel guilty because >no parent wants their child to suffer or risk their lives for >anything.....but I have to trust that Dr. R and the Good Lord will >take care of that end of things....and if having this surgery saves >her years of health problems and unhappiness....then I will be her >biggest supporter in this endeavor. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >What's " Grow to Give " ? >http://www.onelist.com >It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 I have been reading all of the replys to , and I just wanted to say that I think it is interesting that we all seem to agree around here. WHat a wonderful opportunity is being given, to start her " life " without the stigma of being obese. , God has given you a gift. Never forget the lessons that being over-weight has taught you, and never lose your compassion for those around you that are different. Judging from what I have learned about you through your gloating mom, I don't think this will be a problem! This commuity we have created here has become a very supportive environment and I am very thankful to be a part of it and know you guys will be there for me post-op - as I begin my recovery! -Tara Lynn PS - May the force be with you! --- Tina wrote: > > > First of all, I'd like to thank everybody who wrote > concerning my being > down due to insurance problems. I knew you would > all rise to the occasion > and come to my rescue! You can't begin to imagine > how good it made me > feel! Thanks to all! > > Now about and her surgery: > > If we were fat or obese as children, we know all to > well the taunts and > ridicule that society and other children put us > through. It became even > worse in our teen years because our peers couldn't > accept us the way we > were! When I was 's age, this surgery wasn't > even a consideration! > How I wish it had been! Like many of you out there, > our lives would have > been much different if we hadn't been fat! > > People who don't think is old enough, have > never been fat throughout > their lives. They've never had to endure the > humiliation that only persons > of weight experience. , you are intelligent > enough to know that you > don't want to be fat and you have an excellent > chance of being " normal " . > GO FOR IT! > > You have every right to happiness and fulfillment > that any adult has. Just > because we have lived more years than you, doesn't > mean we have all the > answers. Could it be jealousy on our parts because > we didn't have this > wonderful opportunity? > > And all of us here that have either gone through or > are waiting to go > through the surgery, know first hand that diet and > exercise don't work > except for about 5% of the population, then they > don't maintain it! Diet > and exercise! Hmmmpppffff! had to laugh out loud at > that one!!!!!! > > Congratulations to you and I know you will do great! > > > Tina > Pre-op > BMI 50 > in holding pattern..... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get " in synch! " > http://www.onelist.com > With the ONElist Shared Calendar Feature. See > homepage. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at > Onelist.com > _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Dear Amy, Thank you for your words. I am making sure that I research everything about the surgery, pro's and con's. I want to be sure I know everything that could or might happen before I go in there, and I know that the surgery will not solve all my problems, but if it makes me feel better physically and mentally, then I am all for it. Re: & Surgery > > >I applaud on her investigating surgery as an option and am >impressed with bcbs for approving her surgery.I only wish this option >had been available when I was a teenager.It would have saved several >years of feeling like I was a social outcast because of my size. >As for the people responding to your list from ossg-tell LAura to listen >to what is in her heart- She will know what she is in for through the >research and all the letter of support she gets here. >Wishing a " thin " future as an adult. >AmyH > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >What's " Grow to Give " ? >http://www.onelist.com >It's a new incentive program at ONElist. See homepage for details. >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Glad to hear that was approved. I'm new to the group and totally clueless regarding your reference to the " OSSG bunch. " What does " OSSG " stand for? Thanks fro enlightening me. Dave from Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Glad to hear that was approved. I'm new to the group and totally clueless regarding your reference to the " OSSG bunch. " What does " OSSG " stand for? Thanks fro enlightening me. Dave from Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 1999 Report Share Posted May 4, 1999 Glad to hear that was approved. I'm new to the group and totally clueless regarding your reference to the " OSSG bunch. " What does " OSSG " stand for? Thanks fro enlightening me. Dave from Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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