Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?

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If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

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>3. Is it possible I need a little bit of Armour? Maybe I'm a good converter?

You may need more T3, what is your pulse and temperature doing???

Nick

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>3. Is it possible I need a little bit of Armour? Maybe I'm a good converter?

You may need more T3, what is your pulse and temperature doing???

Nick

[Guest guest]

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>3. Is it possible I need a little bit of Armour? Maybe I'm a good converter?

You may need more T3, what is your pulse and temperature doing???

Nick

[Guest guest]

Ok, so I shouldn't give too much thought to the fact that I felt better on the

60mgs of Armour? If that's what I need to do I will.

Is a possible explanation that there is a period where when you are getting this

stuff (The RT3) out of your system that you might feel worse?

>

> If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

> high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

> levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

> receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

> and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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I have to check my pulse- Ive never done that.

BUt my temps are staying the same as before- hovering around 97.

Does that say anything?

>

> >

> >3. Is it possible I need a little bit of Armour? Maybe I'm a good converter?

>

> You may need more T3, what is your pulse and temperature doing???

>

> Nick

>

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>I have to check my pulse- Ive never done that.

It's worth keeping an eye on

>BUt my temps are staying the same as before- hovering around 97.

>Does that say anything?

If it's 97 and stable then it says hypo to me

Nick

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I'm in the same situation.First when I started T3 only, I felt very good for a

week,or 10 days and after that I got worse. I also have the same question like

you ,should I feel worse on T3 only before I get better? I'm on 35mcg T3 only,

not on a high dose as you are though.I also was thinking if I need some little

amount of T4 like you but Val said not to do it,so I'm sticking with T3 only. I

have been on T3 for almost a 4 weeks but can't go higher on T3 yet. I have a

very low ferritin also. How long have you been on T3 only and for how long did

you get to 75 mcg T3? I was wondering if I need a bit T4 because the first week

after I stopped the T4 I felt so good and then declined and I thought having

some amount of T4 in my body may made me feel better but may be also going

trough the clearing RT3 to feel worse for awhile. Since Val is saying to stay on

T3 I'm staying on it for at list 12 weeks and then will see.

Thanks

Milena

> >

> > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

> > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

> > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

> > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

> > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm in the same situation.First when I started T3 only, I felt very good for a

week,or 10 days and after that I got worse. I also have the same question like

you ,should I feel worse on T3 only before I get better? I'm on 35mcg T3 only,

not on a high dose as you are though.I also was thinking if I need some little

amount of T4 like you but Val said not to do it,so I'm sticking with T3 only. I

have been on T3 for almost a 4 weeks but can't go higher on T3 yet. I have a

very low ferritin also. How long have you been on T3 only and for how long did

you get to 75 mcg T3? I was wondering if I need a bit T4 because the first week

after I stopped the T4 I felt so good and then declined and I thought having

some amount of T4 in my body may made me feel better but may be also going

trough the clearing RT3 to feel worse for awhile. Since Val is saying to stay on

T3 I'm staying on it for at list 12 weeks and then will see.

Thanks

Milena

> >

> > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

> > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

> > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

> > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

> > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to

feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to

stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs

Armour, not worse.

If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

> > >

> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

> > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

> > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

> > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

> > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> > >

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

> > >

> >

>

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I don't know if EVERYONE goes through the "worse feeling before getting better" but I can say that I had several ups and downs throughout the whole process. But in the end it was well worth it. I have been on T3 only since April first starting on the SRT3 only to find that the Cytomel was far better. Even though there were some times that I wondered if I was doing the right thing, at present I am feeling better than I have felt in years! I also tried to bring the T4 back in because I felt I might be missing something. It turned out to be a huge mistake. I just wanted to be sure that I had tried every avenue in order to ensure that I had done everything possible to feel better. It only made me revert back to feeling worse, and actually very fast(within three weeks on adding some Armour). I am still improving every day, even at six months.

I really think that you will see that the RT3 clears on paper "lab values" but I really think that it still takes some people even more time to totally clear out the receptors where the T3 can get it and heal the tissues. Hang in there...it does get better and better. Just my take. Hope this helps.

Subject: Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse. If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but eventually they felt better, it would be great to know???? > > >> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I expected I'd feel better gradually, not worse, from everything

I've read. But your comments make me feel it's worth hanging in there.

> > > >

> > > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

> > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

> > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

> > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

> > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

> > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi ,

I was wondering what dose you started at on Cytomel? Do you take it four times a day?

Thannks,

Rhonda

Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse. If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but eventually they felt better, it would be great to know???? > > >> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I was wondering what dose you started at on Cytomel? Do you take it four times a day?

Thannks,

Rhonda

Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse. If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but eventually they felt better, it would be great to know???? > > >> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > >> >>

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,

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I also needed to hear from

somebody that went trough an ups and downs a few times on T3 only, before did go

to just feeling better all the time.I wish you only getting better and better.

Thanks again.

Milena

> > > >

> > > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have

> > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3

> > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the

> > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3

> > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

> > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hi Rhonda,

It's so confusing because I actually weaned slowly off of my doses of Levoxyl and Armour to the T3 only and I started by used the SRT3. I was originally taking 100Levoxyl + 120 Armour. I started with like 50-62.5mg of SRT3 and gradually worked my way up to 175mcg of SRT3. I did this for probably three months and just never felt like I was I was really "getting there". This is when I decided to try the Cytomel and that's when things started happening. I guess the RT3 cleared with the Cytomel and I had to start cutting back on the T3 quite fast. And it was right at that 12-16 week range. I have settled all the way down to 100mg of Cytomel at present but I am still playing with the dose. I have been sort of hyper the last couple of days so I have decreased my HC and have had to decrease my Cytomel as well. That's what I mean about how the receptors taking

awhile to clear. I'm thinking that more has cleared or my adrenals are healing and I don't need as much HC. It's really a challenge to figure it out but I am so much better these days so to me it is so worth it. Yes, I dose four times a day along with my HC and I take my last dose just like Val, right as my head hits the pillow at night. Hope this helps.

From: bwilson195 <bwilson195yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse. If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but eventually they felt better, it would be great to know???? > > >> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhonda,

It's so confusing because I actually weaned slowly off of my doses of Levoxyl and Armour to the T3 only and I started by used the SRT3. I was originally taking 100Levoxyl + 120 Armour. I started with like 50-62.5mg of SRT3 and gradually worked my way up to 175mcg of SRT3. I did this for probably three months and just never felt like I was I was really "getting there". This is when I decided to try the Cytomel and that's when things started happening. I guess the RT3 cleared with the Cytomel and I had to start cutting back on the T3 quite fast. And it was right at that 12-16 week range. I have settled all the way down to 100mg of Cytomel at present but I am still playing with the dose. I have been sort of hyper the last couple of days so I have decreased my HC and have had to decrease my Cytomel as well. That's what I mean about how the receptors taking

awhile to clear. I'm thinking that more has cleared or my adrenals are healing and I don't need as much HC. It's really a challenge to figure it out but I am so much better these days so to me it is so worth it. Yes, I dose four times a day along with my HC and I take my last dose just like Val, right as my head hits the pillow at night. Hope this helps.

From: bwilson195 <bwilson195yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse. If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but eventually they felt better, it would be great to know???? > > >> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rhonda,

It's so confusing because I actually weaned slowly off of my doses of Levoxyl and Armour to the T3 only and I started by used the SRT3. I was originally taking 100Levoxyl + 120 Armour. I started with like 50-62.5mg of SRT3 and gradually worked my way up to 175mcg of SRT3. I did this for probably three months and just never felt like I was I was really "getting there". This is when I decided to try the Cytomel and that's when things started happening. I guess the RT3 cleared with the Cytomel and I had to start cutting back on the T3 quite fast. And it was right at that 12-16 week range. I have settled all the way down to 100mg of Cytomel at present but I am still playing with the dose. I have been sort of hyper the last couple of days so I have decreased my HC and have had to decrease my Cytomel as well. That's what I mean about how the receptors taking

awhile to clear. I'm thinking that more has cleared or my adrenals are healing and I don't need as much HC. It's really a challenge to figure it out but I am so much better these days so to me it is so worth it. Yes, I dose four times a day along with my HC and I take my last dose just like Val, right as my head hits the pillow at night. Hope this helps.

From: bwilson195 <bwilson195yahoo (DOT) com>Subject: Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 5:50 PM

I understand what you are saying- if the idea is that a person is supposed to feel worse on T3 only, and then feel better eventually, OK. That's reason to stay with it. But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse. If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but eventually they felt better, it would be great to know???? > > >> > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > -- > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > >> >>

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You too Milena...and you will get better. It's amazing!

Subject: Re: When Does Cytomel Start to Work?To: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:47 PM

,Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I also needed to hear from somebody that went trough an ups and downs a few times on T3 only, before did go to just feeling better all the time.I wish you only getting better and better.Thanks again.Milena> > > >> > > > If you were a good converter you would not need T3 and would not have > > > > high RT3. It takes TIME for the T4 levels ot go down, thne for the RT3 > > > > levels to go down and then for the remaining RT3 to get out of the > > > > receptors. Most of us felt a little

breakthrough at 12 weeks on just T3 > > > > and I htink TIME has as much to do wiht that as dose.> > > > > > > > -- > > > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV> > > > > > > > http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/> > > > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/> > > > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

>But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse.

If you are on enough of it then you should feel good.

There are various things that stop you being able to take enough to

feel well, low ferritin and low or high cortisol being 2 of them

>

>If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

I had pretty sever resistance, I had needed 12 grains of Armour to

feel well. U crashed badly on the new Armour which is what brought me

here.

I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now,

after resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

My dose requirements has fluctuated as the T4 in my system firstly

started converting, secondly decayed away, and finally resistance

cleared. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for

a few days when T4 started converting. I then spent 10 more weeks

ramping up weekly as the T4 decayed ending up at around 225 to 250 of

T3 and felt well.

Resistance suddenly cleared at 11 weeks and I dropped back to less

than 50 until levels decayed a little and then up to 75 and over a

week or so stabilised on 125 where I have been for several weeks now.

I need to spread it in 5 doses a day, if I take it in less doses my

adrenal levels can't support it and my temperature drops and I crash.

So there is a summary, it worked for me, my body followed the pattern

Val described.

The main reasons I can see for feeling rough on T3 only are not enough

of it, and if you don't have adrenals and ferritin in place you can't

take enough.

Once T4 has cleared and resistance has cleared expect a dose

requirement of 75 to 125. If you can't tolerate 75 then look for why.

Good luck

Nick

[Guest guest]

>But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse.

If you are on enough of it then you should feel good.

There are various things that stop you being able to take enough to

feel well, low ferritin and low or high cortisol being 2 of them

>

>If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

I had pretty sever resistance, I had needed 12 grains of Armour to

feel well. U crashed badly on the new Armour which is what brought me

here.

I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now,

after resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

My dose requirements has fluctuated as the T4 in my system firstly

started converting, secondly decayed away, and finally resistance

cleared. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for

a few days when T4 started converting. I then spent 10 more weeks

ramping up weekly as the T4 decayed ending up at around 225 to 250 of

T3 and felt well.

Resistance suddenly cleared at 11 weeks and I dropped back to less

than 50 until levels decayed a little and then up to 75 and over a

week or so stabilised on 125 where I have been for several weeks now.

I need to spread it in 5 doses a day, if I take it in less doses my

adrenal levels can't support it and my temperature drops and I crash.

So there is a summary, it worked for me, my body followed the pattern

Val described.

The main reasons I can see for feeling rough on T3 only are not enough

of it, and if you don't have adrenals and ferritin in place you can't

take enough.

Once T4 has cleared and resistance has cleared expect a dose

requirement of 75 to 125. If you can't tolerate 75 then look for why.

Good luck

Nick

[Guest guest]

>But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not worse.

If you are on enough of it then you should feel good.

There are various things that stop you being able to take enough to

feel well, low ferritin and low or high cortisol being 2 of them

>

>If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

I had pretty sever resistance, I had needed 12 grains of Armour to

feel well. U crashed badly on the new Armour which is what brought me

here.

I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now,

after resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

My dose requirements has fluctuated as the T4 in my system firstly

started converting, secondly decayed away, and finally resistance

cleared. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for

a few days when T4 started converting. I then spent 10 more weeks

ramping up weekly as the T4 decayed ending up at around 225 to 250 of

T3 and felt well.

Resistance suddenly cleared at 11 weeks and I dropped back to less

than 50 until levels decayed a little and then up to 75 and over a

week or so stabilised on 125 where I have been for several weeks now.

I need to spread it in 5 doses a day, if I take it in less doses my

adrenal levels can't support it and my temperature drops and I crash.

So there is a summary, it worked for me, my body followed the pattern

Val described.

The main reasons I can see for feeling rough on T3 only are not enough

of it, and if you don't have adrenals and ferritin in place you can't

take enough.

Once T4 has cleared and resistance has cleared expect a dose

requirement of 75 to 125. If you can't tolerate 75 then look for why.

Good luck

Nick

[Guest guest]

Thx, Nick-

Let me try to pinpoint my issue:

1. I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now, after

resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

- In my case I actually felt worse from the beginning. Prior, I worked up to

180mgs of Armour, but got weaker, cold sweating, and dark circles under my eyes,

and hyper. I brought it back to 60mgs and felt better (the whole time on 20mgs

of HC). And I noticed:

> My hair got much better, less dry

> My mood improved

> I put on weight (I was always underweight)

> I slept a little better

Things were not perfect, though, so I am trying Cytomel (my Ft3 was 298, my RT3

was 20= 14.9 ratio). And now on 75mcgs Cytomel:

> My hair has gotten dry again and I'm getting this itching that was completely

relieved by Armour.

> My mood has gone down

> I notice in the morning I hardly even need to shave- I don't get much growth

and i never had that happen in my life- it seems like a growth hormone thing.

>I am not sleeping as well

2. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for a few

days when T4 started converting.

-What does it mean when you say " had to drop to 40 when the T4 started

converting " ? Is that because the T4 remaining in your system starts converting

to T3 and, with the T3 you are taking, you could get overloaded and go hyper? I

ask because I am wondering if that is what is happening to me- and it's making

me feel worse?

So I see a lot of people say they had ups and downs, but few who say they were

worse on T3. And I don't understand the hair and mood thing- they just seem like

markers to me of where your thyroid is.

>

> >But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not

worse.

>

> If you are on enough of it then you should feel good.

>

> There are various things that stop you being able to take enough to

> feel well, low ferritin and low or high cortisol being 2 of them

>

> >

> >If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

>

> I had pretty sever resistance, I had needed 12 grains of Armour to

> feel well. U crashed badly on the new Armour which is what brought me

> here.

>

> I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now,

> after resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

>

> My dose requirements has fluctuated as the T4 in my system firstly

> started converting, secondly decayed away, and finally resistance

> cleared. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

> the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for

> a few days when T4 started converting. I then spent 10 more weeks

> ramping up weekly as the T4 decayed ending up at around 225 to 250 of

> T3 and felt well.

>

> Resistance suddenly cleared at 11 weeks and I dropped back to less

> than 50 until levels decayed a little and then up to 75 and over a

> week or so stabilised on 125 where I have been for several weeks now.

>

> I need to spread it in 5 doses a day, if I take it in less doses my

> adrenal levels can't support it and my temperature drops and I crash.

>

> So there is a summary, it worked for me, my body followed the pattern

> Val described.

>

> The main reasons I can see for feeling rough on T3 only are not enough

> of it, and if you don't have adrenals and ferritin in place you can't

> take enough.

>

> Once T4 has cleared and resistance has cleared expect a dose

> requirement of 75 to 125. If you can't tolerate 75 then look for why.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Milena

Its been a big 6 months for me. I was on 150mcg of synthetic T4 for 13 years

(thyroidless) and doc put me on T3.

I have gone through a lot of ups and downs. First few days on T3 were great but

I was taking too much at once. I was completely uneducated. Ive tried putting

T4 back in because I felt aweful. I did this twice and just made things even

worse. Then tried putting NT into the picture. Worse again. For me its

ferritin and fluctuations between high and low cortisol. Its taken 6 months of

experimenting, having really bad anxiety and heart palps and other nasties. A

lot of pressure on my body and my family. But hang in there. You have to find

what works for you. Educate yourself of how others dose, keep an eye on your

ferritin and your cortisol. Read all the posts on here. Get STTM book.

Research as much as possible. Sometimes its the things you would never think

are the problem that are.

Im back on T3 only (40mcg a day without a thyroid and its better than the 150mcg

of thyroxine in terms of hypo symptom elimination). Im supporting my adrenals

with about 15mg of HC and uping my ferritin. This week has been the best week I

have had for a very long time. My husband even brought me flowers and I am

falling in love with my two year old (who I have seen as my big stressor). I

have coped so well and yesterday was a really happy day for me. Worth all the

crappy ones.

Good luck.

Louise

SYdney

>

> >But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not

worse.

>

> If you are on enough of it then you should feel good.

>

> There are various things that stop you being able to take enough to

> feel well, low ferritin and low or high cortisol being 2 of them

>

> >

> >If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

>

> I had pretty sever resistance, I had needed 12 grains of Armour to

> feel well. U crashed badly on the new Armour which is what brought me

> here.

>

> I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now,

> after resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

>

> My dose requirements has fluctuated as the T4 in my system firstly

> started converting, secondly decayed away, and finally resistance

> cleared. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

> the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for

> a few days when T4 started converting. I then spent 10 more weeks

> ramping up weekly as the T4 decayed ending up at around 225 to 250 of

> T3 and felt well.

>

> Resistance suddenly cleared at 11 weeks and I dropped back to less

> than 50 until levels decayed a little and then up to 75 and over a

> week or so stabilised on 125 where I have been for several weeks now.

>

> I need to spread it in 5 doses a day, if I take it in less doses my

> adrenal levels can't support it and my temperature drops and I crash.

>

> So there is a summary, it worked for me, my body followed the pattern

> Val described.

>

> The main reasons I can see for feeling rough on T3 only are not enough

> of it, and if you don't have adrenals and ferritin in place you can't

> take enough.

>

> Once T4 has cleared and resistance has cleared expect a dose

> requirement of 75 to 125. If you can't tolerate 75 then look for why.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Milena

Its been a big 6 months for me. I was on 150mcg of synthetic T4 for 13 years

(thyroidless) and doc put me on T3.

I have gone through a lot of ups and downs. First few days on T3 were great but

I was taking too much at once. I was completely uneducated. Ive tried putting

T4 back in because I felt aweful. I did this twice and just made things even

worse. Then tried putting NT into the picture. Worse again. For me its

ferritin and fluctuations between high and low cortisol. Its taken 6 months of

experimenting, having really bad anxiety and heart palps and other nasties. A

lot of pressure on my body and my family. But hang in there. You have to find

what works for you. Educate yourself of how others dose, keep an eye on your

ferritin and your cortisol. Read all the posts on here. Get STTM book.

Research as much as possible. Sometimes its the things you would never think

are the problem that are.

Im back on T3 only (40mcg a day without a thyroid and its better than the 150mcg

of thyroxine in terms of hypo symptom elimination). Im supporting my adrenals

with about 15mg of HC and uping my ferritin. This week has been the best week I

have had for a very long time. My husband even brought me flowers and I am

falling in love with my two year old (who I have seen as my big stressor). I

have coped so well and yesterday was a really happy day for me. Worth all the

crappy ones.

Good luck.

Louise

SYdney

>

> >But I thought we were supposed to feel better on T3 only vs Armour, not

worse.

>

> If you are on enough of it then you should feel good.

>

> There are various things that stop you being able to take enough to

> feel well, low ferritin and low or high cortisol being 2 of them

>

> >

> >If anyone on here can say this is what they experienced with T3 only, but

eventually they felt better, it would be great to know????

>

> I had pretty sever resistance, I had needed 12 grains of Armour to

> feel well. U crashed badly on the new Armour which is what brought me

> here.

>

> I pretty quickly felt as good on T3 as I had on old Armour and now,

> after resistance has cleared, feel the best I have for years.

>

> My dose requirements has fluctuated as the T4 in my system firstly

> started converting, secondly decayed away, and finally resistance

> cleared. I started at 100 of T3 on the swap over (the equivalent of

> the T3 in 12 grains), after a week or two had to drop to around 40 for

> a few days when T4 started converting. I then spent 10 more weeks

> ramping up weekly as the T4 decayed ending up at around 225 to 250 of

> T3 and felt well.

>

> Resistance suddenly cleared at 11 weeks and I dropped back to less

> than 50 until levels decayed a little and then up to 75 and over a

> week or so stabilised on 125 where I have been for several weeks now.

>

> I need to spread it in 5 doses a day, if I take it in less doses my

> adrenal levels can't support it and my temperature drops and I crash.

>

> So there is a summary, it worked for me, my body followed the pattern

> Val described.

>

> The main reasons I can see for feeling rough on T3 only are not enough

> of it, and if you don't have adrenals and ferritin in place you can't

> take enough.

>

> Once T4 has cleared and resistance has cleared expect a dose

> requirement of 75 to 125. If you can't tolerate 75 then look for why.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>