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Hi Marilyn

I can sympathise with Kristan with undiagnosable joint pains. From very

young I had problems with my knees - long car journeys and they would fill

with fluid and be painful. The pains have continued until today (I am now in

my early forties).

On many occasions I had my knees checked for RA (there is a history in my

family), injuries or potentially serious health problems etc and no one has

come up with an answer. For a considerable number of years I kept the pain

under control when it occurred with prescription painkillers - alcohol also

worked. Certain forms of exercise were a complete nono. There was however no

lack of strength in the knee joints.

These days providing I train at karate I contain these problems (I am

writing though with a knee tendon/ligament problem!) although in the early

days - many years ago - due to incorrect technique I had regular pain. There

are still certain physical things I avoid such as cycling and no one yet has

worked out my problem. I have given up trying to find out what it is.

Simon

>

>Reply-To: CHARGE

>To: <CHARGE >

>Subject: RE: Re: The World According to Westmaas...

>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 23:34:33 -0500

>

>Michele:

>We'll just miss you at Shriner's if you are going to Chicago. We have

>another appointment July 20. We see the Rheumatologist again; and then we

>also see the Orthopedic doc for the scholiosis.

>

>We went to the Rheumatologist last week on Tuesday. He did an exam and

>said

>that all of 's joints appear to be " mechanically sound " , meaning no

>malformations were evident to indicate why she is having this migratory

>joint pain. He did blood draws to check for several things besides

>rheumatoid arthritis. Among them are Lyme's Disease, Lupus, staph

>infection, and 2 others I think. He said if it were Lyme's, it would be a

> " quick fix " as it would mean antibiotics for a month, then we'd be done.

>(Said it can be dormant for as much as a year, and went to camp 2

>times last Summer.)

>

>He asked about family history of RA and also about psoriasis. He said both

>are indicators of familial probability of RA. Rick's sister has psoriasis,

>and an aunt has RA. Just got a note from my mom saying that her doc thinks

>she may have RA. With all that, I'm afraid we may be looking at Juvenile

>Rheumatoid Arthritis for . Anyone have any experience with this?

>I'm hoping some of the new joint meds on the market are appropriate for

>children. We'd been giving 2 tsp. ibuprofen twice a day for pain when

> asks. The doctor said she can have as much as 3 tsp., 3 times a

>day

>(as long as it is not for fever remedy). Fortunately, this has done a lot

>to alleviate much of 's pains.

>

>Shriner's was really nice. I wasn't sure what to expect from the website

>photo. (Looked like a tiny, old building!) The facility is really wuite

>large, very kid-friendly and good for families. made a new

> " boyfriend " while playing Super in a waiting room! (And, yes, he was

>really, really cute! says so!! I think I'm in trouble here

>already!!!) Worst part was we drove ourselves. Getting there was easy.

>But we got stuck in traffic leaving town --wall to wall trucks! - and I

>missed a left handed exit. Took us 6 hours to get back to Indianapolis:

>It's a 3-hour trip. I think I'll be calling the local chapter for a ride

>in

>July!

>

>Friends in CHARGE,

>Marilyn Ogan

>Mom of Ken (14 yrs., ADD) and (11 yrs., CHARGE+)

>Wife of Rick

>oganm@...

>oganr@...

> Re: The World According to Westmaas...

>

>

> Aubrie's pre-op appt is Fri. Her surgery is July 22.

>

> Michele W

>

>

>

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Marilyn

Sorry for the delay in replying but Flo, I and the girls have been away for

a week - and I have been a bit daunted by the 300 plus emails I have to wade

through.

Car journeys were a real problem when I was young and it didn't matter what

space I had. These days I do the driving on on long journeys so sitting

about doesn't happen. Mind you, a friend and were travelling long distance

to a football match (you call it soccer!) and had had a long slow journey

that was spotted by an occupant of the pub we walked into for a drink

-something to do with our body shape!.

My problem is specifically knees. The last time I was tested for arthritis

it was by xray since the damage caused by arthritis is visible on xray, I

also had blood tests for a variety of illnesses/diseases including

Leukaemia. I know that this problem is not arthritic because I have

arthritis in one of my big toes and its main joint but this has been caused

by numerous injuries (there is a history of arthiritis in my family though).

Regarding cycling, my main problem is hills - although I was a strong

cyclist the pressure on my knees riding up a very steep hill or after 6 or

so miles would be too much (I can't cycle slowly!). This was the same with

weight training - exercises such as squats were out of the question. Yes

swimming is a good exercise for keeping pressure off of joints but I find it

boring. I need to to keep up muscle strength in my legs otherwise the knee

pains return. Karate somehow for me is right but for many people it screws

their knees.

As I think I said before I have given up on trying to find a diagnosis and

now just manage 'the problem'. When I was younger it did bother me alot but

didn't prevent me from being active but that I think was just down to being

a child (and now because I also have a chronic back problem I am used to

daily pain of a certain level).

I appreciate that this is not the most illuminating of responses but

sometimes there are no answers.

Regards

Simon

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Marilyn

Sorry for the delay in replying but Flo, I and the girls have been away for

a week - and I have been a bit daunted by the 300 plus emails I have to wade

through.

Car journeys were a real problem when I was young and it didn't matter what

space I had. These days I do the driving on on long journeys so sitting

about doesn't happen. Mind you, a friend and were travelling long distance

to a football match (you call it soccer!) and had had a long slow journey

that was spotted by an occupant of the pub we walked into for a drink

-something to do with our body shape!.

My problem is specifically knees. The last time I was tested for arthritis

it was by xray since the damage caused by arthritis is visible on xray, I

also had blood tests for a variety of illnesses/diseases including

Leukaemia. I know that this problem is not arthritic because I have

arthritis in one of my big toes and its main joint but this has been caused

by numerous injuries (there is a history of arthiritis in my family though).

Regarding cycling, my main problem is hills - although I was a strong

cyclist the pressure on my knees riding up a very steep hill or after 6 or

so miles would be too much (I can't cycle slowly!). This was the same with

weight training - exercises such as squats were out of the question. Yes

swimming is a good exercise for keeping pressure off of joints but I find it

boring. I need to to keep up muscle strength in my legs otherwise the knee

pains return. Karate somehow for me is right but for many people it screws

their knees.

As I think I said before I have given up on trying to find a diagnosis and

now just manage 'the problem'. When I was younger it did bother me alot but

didn't prevent me from being active but that I think was just down to being

a child (and now because I also have a chronic back problem I am used to

daily pain of a certain level).

I appreciate that this is not the most illuminating of responses but

sometimes there are no answers.

Regards

Simon

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Simon:

Thanks for your response. Never too late to reply!

I guess I sort of hope they come to a diagnosis so we have a better idea of

how to treat it. But I also understand that we may never know.

I just got back from taking to Deaf Camp 3 hours away. We stopped

twice and she still had a hard time getting out of the car when we arrived.

(I did too!) We are driving to Florida at the end of July - Orlando for

Disney World, and on to Miami for a CHARGE Board meeting Rick has. That is

going to be a llloooooonnnnnggggg drive. Going down we'll do it in 2 days.

Coming back we are driving clear through from Miami. At least that is the

plan - I have a feeling we may take 2 coming back!

Friends in CHARGE,

Marilyn Ogan

Mom of Ken (14 yrs., ADD) and (11 yrs., CHARGE+)

Wife of Rick

oganm@...

oganr@...

RE: s Joints

Marilyn

Sorry for the delay in replying but Flo, I and the girls have been away

for

a week - and I have been a bit daunted by the 300 plus emails I have to

wade

through.

Car journeys were a real problem when I was young and it didn't matter

what

space I had. These days I do the driving on on long journeys so sitting

about doesn't happen. Mind you, a friend and were travelling long distance

to a football match (you call it soccer!) and had had a long slow journey

that was spotted by an occupant of the pub we walked into for a drink

-something to do with our body shape!.

My problem is specifically knees. The last time I was tested for arthritis

it was by xray since the damage caused by arthritis is visible on xray, I

also had blood tests for a variety of illnesses/diseases including

Leukaemia. I know that this problem is not arthritic because I have

arthritis in one of my big toes and its main joint but this has been

caused

by numerous injuries (there is a history of arthiritis in my family

though).

Regarding cycling, my main problem is hills - although I was a strong

cyclist the pressure on my knees riding up a very steep hill or after 6 or

so miles would be too much (I can't cycle slowly!). This was the same with

weight training - exercises such as squats were out of the question. Yes

swimming is a good exercise for keeping pressure off of joints but I find

it

boring. I need to to keep up muscle strength in my legs otherwise the knee

pains return. Karate somehow for me is right but for many people it screws

their knees.

As I think I said before I have given up on trying to find a diagnosis and

now just manage 'the problem'. When I was younger it did bother me alot

but

didn't prevent me from being active but that I think was just down to

being

a child (and now because I also have a chronic back problem I am used to

daily pain of a certain level).

I appreciate that this is not the most illuminating of responses but

sometimes there are no answers.

Regards

Simon

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