Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 It is true that SCD heals the gut helping the body detox on it's own however I believe it is beneficial to help the body along if what is used is natural. I did try chelation with my son (ALA only) however it really stirred up a yeast problem. Examples of what one can do to help the body detox that would be SCD legal and not stir up yeast would be the use of minerals. For example, if one has high copper, zinc supplements can reduce it. Molybdenum is also helpful in balancing the zinc/copper ratio. Another example is selenium which may help reduce the levels of lead, mercury, aluminum and cadmium. > I to have to decide something for my son. But I was under the understanding that if scd can heal the gut, the body coult detox itself. Would someone straighten me out please? Thank you ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 It is true that SCD heals the gut helping the body detox on it's own however I believe it is beneficial to help the body along if what is used is natural. I did try chelation with my son (ALA only) however it really stirred up a yeast problem. Examples of what one can do to help the body detox that would be SCD legal and not stir up yeast would be the use of minerals. For example, if one has high copper, zinc supplements can reduce it. Molybdenum is also helpful in balancing the zinc/copper ratio. Another example is selenium which may help reduce the levels of lead, mercury, aluminum and cadmium. > I to have to decide something for my son. But I was under the understanding that if scd can heal the gut, the body coult detox itself. Would someone straighten me out please? Thank you ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Have you looked into " LL's Magnetic Clay " which is also drug free? Chelation Hello, Has anyone brought their child to see Kane? She has a Detoxx Program that is natural no drugs. She bases her protocol on the proper balance of EFA's, Electrolytes, Minerals etc.. which makes sense to me. Any thoughts? I have always feared the drugs used to remove heavy metals and I am contantly looking for natural and effective approaches. The heavy metals have to be removed it's finding the right program. One that will do the job and not harm my son. My understanding is that the gut will not heal completely nor will the yeast go completely away as long as there is heavy metals and each time some heavy metals are removed it damages the gut somewhat -- vicious cycle! These problems are all so complexed and we as parents often have to do the work of a doctor in order to help our children. I would appreciate any comments. Thanks, -Elvira For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 selenium has to be dosed on a weight basis, 100 mcg would be to much for light kids. .85 to 1 mcg/lb i find about right for the dual selenium protocol i use below. i use a slighly complex protocol of selenium with selenomethionine and methylselenocysteine which is both the storage of of selenium (selenomethionine) and its active form in the liver (methylselenocysteine), the advantage of this is you get quite a big improvement in the detoxifying effect of selenium without the sulphur substition issues that increasinga mounts of selenium give. this dual use gives substially better results than just selenomethionine alone. heavy metal kids often have trouble converting selenium out of its storage form into the active form. i have written it up in 'minerals i take in' in my compendium seleniuym is at the bottom of the page if you scroll down http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html selenite forms of selenium are not good, they are not persitent in the body, feed yeast and in large amounts can cause cataract it needs to be understood that selenium substitues for sulphur and so too much starts to interfere with body function, that tiny bit that is necessary has a super affintiy for mercury and heavy metals, much stronger than any chelator like ala, its limitation is that it passiviates the mercury, that is prevents the mercury fom being toxic to the body, but it does not remove mercury. howver i have found that with a broad based minerals supplementation that heavy metals are naturally flushed out with time. i think this is the point that elaine gottschall(scd) is making that as the biochemistry rights that heavy metals will naturally start to flush. sethere are also some specfic (liver?) enzymes that need selenium. andrew scd + dual seleniums ps you will notice some portions of this post on that page, thats cuase i am updating my website with my posts now and i can do that immeadiatly i write the post. just a note on copper, is that high copper doe not mean necessarily mean the body has high copper, i read of one mother having to give copper as well as zinc to get the high copper to come down. chelation is not a very meangful term, the use of a supplement like ala to maintain a constant blood level over a set period cycling with the suplemnt not being given over recovery periods would be a better way of looking at it. the effects are complex and intrinsically troublesome i feel because of this forcing the body to run in an unnatural biochemical mode over a sustained period. ala is used also as a diabetic treament to help rebuild pancreas insulin islets, but again i feel a broader dietary and supplement approach is better including chromium gtf, oral and skin vitmain d and bone marrow(for its stem cell nutrient support) > > > I to have to decide something for my son. But I was under the > > understanding that if scd can heal the gut, the body coult detox > > itself. Would someone straighten me out please? Thank you > > ] > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hi Elvira. I have been chelating my son for about 1 year with ALA (an antioxidant), not DMSA (a drug). We started the SCD 3 months ago and saw almost immediate improvement in my son's BM's, appetite, cellulite, and distended belly. We have not seen changes in behavior but his belly was an immediate concern for us because he always had the uncomfortable look of someone who ate too much. I keep going back and forth with the mercury and damaged gut thing. IMO, the gut will heal with SCD, but if mercury caused my son's lack of enzymes and we don't remove the mercury, will his gut stay healed. I think his gut will stay healed if we keep him on the diet forever. But maybe if we chelate the mercury out and heal the gut, he may be able to go off the diet. Then there is the thought that chelated or loose mercury can be reabsorbed by a damaged gut/bowel and be redistributed causing further damage. I have not seen Kane. We did the GFCF diet for 1 year and saw absolutely no changes in anything. SCD has worked wonders physically for my son, it is the one thing that we saw instant results with. God Bless. Tina in NY > > Hello, > > Has anyone brought their child to see Kane? She has a Detoxx > Program that is natural no drugs. She bases her protocol on the > proper balance of EFA's, Electrolytes, Minerals etc.. which makes > sense to me. Any thoughts? I have always feared the drugs used to > remove heavy metals and I am contantly looking for natural and > effective approaches. The heavy metals have to be removed it's > finding the right program. One that will do the job and not harm my son. > > My understanding is that the gut will not heal completely nor will the > yeast go completely away as long as there is heavy metals and each > time some heavy metals are removed it damages the gut somewhat -- > vicious cycle! These problems are all so complexed and we as parents > often have to do the work of a doctor in order to help our children. > > I would appreciate any comments. > > Thanks, > -Elvira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 the way ala is used in 'chelation' is drug like i really question how well it removes mercury selenium is so simple to do and works heaps better. > > > > Hello, > > > > Has anyone brought their child to see Kane? She has a > Detoxx > > Program that is natural no drugs. She bases her protocol on the > > proper balance of EFA's, Electrolytes, Minerals etc.. which makes > > sense to me. Any thoughts? I have always feared the drugs used to > > remove heavy metals and I am contantly looking for natural and > > effective approaches. The heavy metals have to be removed it's > > finding the right program. One that will do the job and not harm my > son. > > > > My understanding is that the gut will not heal completely nor will > the > > yeast go completely away as long as there is heavy metals and each > > time some heavy metals are removed it damages the gut somewhat -- > > vicious cycle! These problems are all so complexed and we as > parents > > often have to do the work of a doctor in order to help our children. > > > > I would appreciate any comments. > > > > Thanks, > > -Elvira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 We do 1 cap. of Kirkman's Selenium per day. What are the chances we are removing mercury? Hope > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Has anyone brought their child to see Kane? She has a > > Detoxx > > > Program that is natural no drugs. She bases her protocol on the > > > proper balance of EFA's, Electrolytes, Minerals etc.. which makes > > > sense to me. Any thoughts? I have always feared the drugs used > to > > > remove heavy metals and I am contantly looking for natural and > > > effective approaches. The heavy metals have to be removed it's > > > finding the right program. One that will do the job and not harm > my > > son. > > > > > > My understanding is that the gut will not heal completely nor > will > > the > > > yeast go completely away as long as there is heavy metals and each > > > time some heavy metals are removed it damages the gut somewhat -- > > > vicious cycle! These problems are all so complexed and we as > > parents > > > often have to do the work of a doctor in order to help our > children. > > > > > > I would appreciate any comments. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Elvira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 the problem with mercury is that it is does a lot of damage as it moves in the body. the other thing is that the amount of mercury in the body even in a high degree of mercury posioning is very very small. the ideal solution is not to remove mercury but to have it bind to something that stops it interfering with body chemical reactions this is what selenium does. as per 'minerals i take' in the index of http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html over time with a broad based suppelment and dietary approach the mercury will gradually wash in a safe manner out as part of a more normalised minerals transport. i always thought that was all i had to do but then on taking whey i found that was the other half. well with some other things. basically mercury has irrepairabley destroyed a lot of things and you need the anabolics from whey to make the body regrow damaged organs and tissue. whey is scd illegal and yeast feeding. it is defintely yeast feeding! what i have found is that a broad spectrum of minerals esp zinc seems to keep the yeast under control enough to tolerate the plain whey. however thats well outside the scope of scd, but in my opinion dairy tolerance is very important to work towards. > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Has anyone brought their child to see Kane? She has a > > > Detoxx > > > > Program that is natural no drugs. She bases her protocol on the > > > > proper balance of EFA's, Electrolytes, Minerals etc.. which makes > > > > sense to me. Any thoughts? I have always feared the drugs used > > to > > > > remove heavy metals and I am contantly looking for natural and > > > > effective approaches. The heavy metals have to be removed it's > > > > finding the right program. One that will do the job and not harm > > my > > > son. > > > > > > > > My understanding is that the gut will not heal completely nor > > will > > > the > > > > yeast go completely away as long as there is heavy metals and each > > > > time some heavy metals are removed it damages the gut somewhat -- > > > > vicious cycle! These problems are all so complexed and we as > > > parents > > > > often have to do the work of a doctor in order to help our > > children. > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any comments. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Elvira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 the problem with mercury is that it is does a lot of damage as it moves in the body. the other thing is that the amount of mercury in the body even in a high degree of mercury posioning is very very small. the ideal solution is not to remove mercury but to have it bind to something that stops it interfering with body chemical reactions this is what selenium does. as per 'minerals i take' in the index of http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html over time with a broad based suppelment and dietary approach the mercury will gradually wash in a safe manner out as part of a more normalised minerals transport. i always thought that was all i had to do but then on taking whey i found that was the other half. well with some other things. basically mercury has irrepairabley destroyed a lot of things and you need the anabolics from whey to make the body regrow damaged organs and tissue. whey is scd illegal and yeast feeding. it is defintely yeast feeding! what i have found is that a broad spectrum of minerals esp zinc seems to keep the yeast under control enough to tolerate the plain whey. however thats well outside the scope of scd, but in my opinion dairy tolerance is very important to work towards. > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Has anyone brought their child to see Kane? She has a > > > Detoxx > > > > Program that is natural no drugs. She bases her protocol on the > > > > proper balance of EFA's, Electrolytes, Minerals etc.. which makes > > > > sense to me. Any thoughts? I have always feared the drugs used > > to > > > > remove heavy metals and I am contantly looking for natural and > > > > effective approaches. The heavy metals have to be removed it's > > > > finding the right program. One that will do the job and not harm > > my > > > son. > > > > > > > > My understanding is that the gut will not heal completely nor > > will > > > the > > > > yeast go completely away as long as there is heavy metals and each > > > > time some heavy metals are removed it damages the gut somewhat -- > > > > vicious cycle! These problems are all so complexed and we as > > > parents > > > > often have to do the work of a doctor in order to help our > > children. > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any comments. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Elvira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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