Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 , I just finished your book. It was terrific! Now if we could just get every MD in the world to read it! I must have missed something in it tho, you mentioned that you are hesitant to chelate any child with issues of yeast, clostridia. What then do you end up doing? I was under the impression you treated those first & then chelated with ALA/DMSA. Did I misunderstand something? Hope you are enjoying your vacation and your lovely granddaughter. Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 Jaqueline, attachments are not accepted on this list, can you send as a message? many thanks, Celia [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors > Listmates: Setting rumors straight. Jaquelyn > Note: Forwarded message attached. > Jaquelyn McCandless > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 Hi , thank you so much for taking the time to send this. Yes there is a lot of speculation. I am in the UK and run a group there. Several perople have had recent visits to Amy Holmes and have been discussing the approach with the MT promoter. Others of us have been listening but are still favouring DMSA. I do not see compelling reasons to change for my son. I am getting good progress. Yeast has been a problem, but not as far as I know gut bugs, although it is near impossible to get docs to test our children here and facilities are abysmal. I have been interested in the GSE approach (+No-Fenol) to deal with yeast and have decided to try that. Nystatin has achieved some control but not sufficient. Is there a definite point at which you stop DMSA? You say " a child with NO evidence of gut bugs " is still a candidate for DMSA, I was wondering if you could qualify/quantify? that a little bit more. I am also interested in the success you are having with the MT promoter approach. I hope you don't mind all these questions. BW Celia [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors > > > > > >> Listmates: Setting rumors straight. Jaquelyn > >> Note: Forwarded message attached. > >> Jaquelyn McCandless > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > ======================================================= > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 Hi, Celia: I'm on retreat in HI (with Chelsey and my husband) with an old laptop which for some mysterious reason (to a technoidiot like me) will not let me send " as e-mails. " I wrote Amy Holmes to ask about rumors that she was no longer using DMSA, and she gave me permission to forward to the groups. I told her I still use DMSA when there is no evidence of gut bugs in a child who does have evidence of mercury toxicity, but when gut bugs are there, use the nutritional approach, including the MT Promoter work done at Pfeiffer. She says she does the same thing, DMSA at first, then MT promoter. She says she does not use DMSA any more for kids who have persistent liver enzyme elevation, particularly ALT, or in kids with seizures. She did not explain further, but I presume it is because of too many stresses upon the liver. She did confirm that she is no longer taking new patients because she is so far behind. Jaquelyn --- Original Message --- From: " C.Forrest " <C.Forrest@...> < > Subject: Re: [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors >Jaqueline, attachments are not accepted on this list, can you send as a >message? >many thanks, Celia > [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors > > >> Listmates: Setting rumors straight. Jaquelyn >> Note: Forwarded message attached. >> Jaquelyn McCandless >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> ======================================================= >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 Thanks. I did try to order the book but there wasn't a credit card link up. I'll try again. BW Celia [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors > >> > > >> > > >> >> Listmates: Setting rumors straight. Jaquelyn > >> >> Note: Forwarded message attached. > >> >> Jaquelyn McCandless > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been > >> removed] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ======================================================= > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2002 Report Share Posted July 22, 2002 >----- In the past, I would chelate until the stimming and regressive features indicated gut bugs and would stop and treat them, causing long delays in my chelation program. If you have gut bugs this will increase stimming? My son stimmed before chelating and then seemed to get better, now he seems to be stimming more. Could it be gut bugs? I think B vitamins my be affecting too, but could it be also that he has gut bugs. Are there other things to look for? Also, I'm wanting to know how you know if your kids has yeast. Thanks, Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2002 Report Share Posted July 22, 2002 Celia: I use the term " gut bugs " to include both yeast and bacteria and of course other less common but sometimes troublesome gut " critters " . In the past, I would chelate until the stimming and regressive features indicated gut bugs and would stop and treat them, causing long delays in my chelation program. Now, if I evaluate children who already are having yeast or clostridia even before chelating, I am hesitant to even start with DMSA and ALA, which definitely seem to encourage bugs both by directly feeding them and by further inflammation of the gut by mercury being excreted via the gi tract. Please read my book for further details of gut issues and treatments, see www.Autism-RxGuideBook.net. I have not used MT Promoter long enough to make a statement yet, but Amy seems to be having good effects from it, particularly in the younger kids (as usual!). Jaquelyn --- Original Message --- From: " C.Forrest " <C.Forrest@...> < > CC: <JMcCandless@...> Subject: Re: [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors >Hi , thank you so much for taking the time to send this. Yes >there is a lot of speculation. I am in the UK and run a group there. >Several perople have had recent visits to Amy Holmes and have been >discussing the approach with the MT promoter. Others of us have been >listening but are still favouring DMSA. I do not see compelling reasons to >change for my son. I am getting good progress. Yeast has been a problem, >but not as far as I know gut bugs, although it is near impossible to get >docs to test our children here and facilities are abysmal. I have been >interested in the GSE approach (+No-Fenol) to deal with yeast and have >decided to try that. Nystatin has achieved some control but not sufficient. >Is there a definite point at which you stop DMSA? You say " a child with NO >evidence of gut bugs " is still a candidate for DMSA, I was wondering if you >could qualify/quantify? that a little bit more. I am also interested in the >success you are having with the MT promoter approach. I hope you don't >mind all these questions. >BW >Celia > > [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors >> > >> > >> >> Listmates: Setting rumors straight. Jaquelyn >> >> Note: Forwarded message attached. >> >> Jaquelyn McCandless >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been >> removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================================= >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2002 Report Share Posted July 22, 2002 Michele: Thanks! It must not have been clear; I always treat the bugs and go back to chelation, but if they persist after several tries on everything imaginable, then I start looking for alternatives to DMSA/ALA, and use several including the Pfeiffer MT- promoter program (just starting.) I found that the regression in severe gut infestations was preventing the chelation from being effective anymore, and would watch gains disappear, so have had no choice but to reconnoiter. I have a few other things I'm doing now which I will share when I have a little more experience with them. Best wishes on your healing endeavors, Jaquelyn --- Original Message --- From: mcro99@... Subject: Re: [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors >, >I just finished your book. It was terrific! Now if we could just get every >MD in the world to read it! >I must have missed something in it tho, you mentioned that you are hesitant >to chelate any child with issues of yeast, clostridia. What then do you end >up doing? I was under the impression you treated those first & then chelated >with ALA/DMSA. Did I misunderstand something? >Hope you are enjoying your vacation and your lovely granddaughter. >Michele > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2002 Report Share Posted July 22, 2002 Diane: In my experience, many things may cause stimming, but the most frequent is the overgrowth of gut bugs. One of the most valuable tests in my armamentarium is the organix test by Meta-Metrix, which not only tells you if your child has yeast or clostridia, but a lot of other good information. Great Plains does an organic acid test too, and they do get their results back faster, but with not quite as much information as I get from MM. Jaquelyn --- Original Message --- From: " Diane " <ddudzik@...> < > Subject: Re: [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors > > >----- In the past, I > would chelate until the stimming and regressive > features indicated gut bugs and would stop and treat > them, causing long delays in my chelation program. > > > If you have gut bugs this will increase stimming? My son stimmed before chelating and then seemed to get better, now he seems to be stimming more. Could it be gut bugs? I think B vitamins my be affecting too, but could it be also that he has gut bugs. Are there other things to look for? Also, I'm wanting to know how you know if your kids has yeast. > > Thanks, > > Diane > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2002 Report Share Posted July 22, 2002 Andy: Thank you! I'm sure you know your book has been invaluable to me; I have a lot of it underlined! Jaquelyn --- Original Message --- From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@...> Subject: [ ] Fwd: Re: Rumors >> Please read >> my book for further details of gut issues and >> treatments, see www.Autism-RxGuideBook.net. > >It is a good read. Well worth your money to get, and time to read. > >Andy . .. . . . . . . . .. . . . . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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