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Todd,

Yes it does sound a lot like Medicare and if we don't continue to fight the

govt leviathan we will be writing more posts like yours about Medicare in a

few years...or sooner...

" The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others peoples

money " Margaret Thatcher.

Phil Caraher, DPT, MS, CSCS

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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Todd,

Yes it does sound a lot like Medicare and if we don't continue to fight the

govt leviathan we will be writing more posts like yours about Medicare in a

few years...or sooner...

" The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of others peoples

money " Margaret Thatcher.

Phil Caraher, DPT, MS, CSCS

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

<http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html>

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> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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Good point, Todd -

Medicare is designed to reimburse providers for their " cost " of providing

the services. Once, Medicare was the worst payor, but now it's the best

payor for some porviders.

Yesterday, in a conversation with a couple of COOs of two hospitals in a

system, somehow the topic of healthcare reform came up. One simple solution

to the universal coverage need was presented:

1) Give everyone in the US the same elite coverage that Congress has,

2) Tell all veterans that they and their dependents (and Ex's) are now

covered at that level under the VA, or

3) Send every body in the US a Medicare card and ugrade the services to

Congressional elite levels.

If coverage is the real issue, that would provide coverage. While they're

at it, they could then provide government employee levels of pensions and

benefits for health care professionals.

They could begin to do it on January 1st, five years after implementing

serious tort reform for the lawyers, or arrange for them to get paid the

same way that Medicare pays providers.

Every organization is already doing QA, so that ought to deal with the

desires for " quality " .

Happy " Hump-Day " to all,

Dr. Dick Hillyer

Dr. W. Hillyer

Lee Therapist Group, LLC

Hillyer Consulting

Cape Coral, FL 33914

_____

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of Todd Gifford

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:46 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform

Hello -

Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about

delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program?

Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical

denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow

cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't

help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare.

Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that

simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . .

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociates

www.therapeuticassociates.com

www.careconnections.com

phone | ext 1102

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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Good point, Todd -

Medicare is designed to reimburse providers for their " cost " of providing

the services. Once, Medicare was the worst payor, but now it's the best

payor for some porviders.

Yesterday, in a conversation with a couple of COOs of two hospitals in a

system, somehow the topic of healthcare reform came up. One simple solution

to the universal coverage need was presented:

1) Give everyone in the US the same elite coverage that Congress has,

2) Tell all veterans that they and their dependents (and Ex's) are now

covered at that level under the VA, or

3) Send every body in the US a Medicare card and ugrade the services to

Congressional elite levels.

If coverage is the real issue, that would provide coverage. While they're

at it, they could then provide government employee levels of pensions and

benefits for health care professionals.

They could begin to do it on January 1st, five years after implementing

serious tort reform for the lawyers, or arrange for them to get paid the

same way that Medicare pays providers.

Every organization is already doing QA, so that ought to deal with the

desires for " quality " .

Happy " Hump-Day " to all,

Dr. Dick Hillyer

Dr. W. Hillyer

Lee Therapist Group, LLC

Hillyer Consulting

Cape Coral, FL 33914

_____

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of Todd Gifford

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:46 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform

Hello -

Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about

delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program?

Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical

denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow

cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't

help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare.

Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that

simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . .

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociates

www.therapeuticassociates.com

www.careconnections.com

phone | ext 1102

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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Good point, Todd -

Medicare is designed to reimburse providers for their " cost " of providing

the services. Once, Medicare was the worst payor, but now it's the best

payor for some porviders.

Yesterday, in a conversation with a couple of COOs of two hospitals in a

system, somehow the topic of healthcare reform came up. One simple solution

to the universal coverage need was presented:

1) Give everyone in the US the same elite coverage that Congress has,

2) Tell all veterans that they and their dependents (and Ex's) are now

covered at that level under the VA, or

3) Send every body in the US a Medicare card and ugrade the services to

Congressional elite levels.

If coverage is the real issue, that would provide coverage. While they're

at it, they could then provide government employee levels of pensions and

benefits for health care professionals.

They could begin to do it on January 1st, five years after implementing

serious tort reform for the lawyers, or arrange for them to get paid the

same way that Medicare pays providers.

Every organization is already doing QA, so that ought to deal with the

desires for " quality " .

Happy " Hump-Day " to all,

Dr. Dick Hillyer

Dr. W. Hillyer

Lee Therapist Group, LLC

Hillyer Consulting

Cape Coral, FL 33914

_____

From: PTManager [mailto:PTManager ] On Behalf

Of Todd Gifford

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:46 PM

To: PTManager

Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform

Hello -

Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about

delayed payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program?

Excessive paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical

denials, overloaded systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow

cash flow (too high a percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't

help but laugh - sounds a lot like Medicare.

Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that

simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . .

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociates

www.therapeuticassociates.com

www.careconnections.com

phone | ext 1102

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.

<http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html>

org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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GREAT perspective, Todd.  We keep making the same mistakes over and over and

never learn that if the government creates a plan to help you...watch your

wallet!

Brad Thorne, P.T.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform

To: " PTManager " <PTManager >

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

Hello -

Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed

payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive

paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded

systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a

percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a

lot like Medicare.

Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that

simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . .

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociat es

www.therapeuticasso ciates.com

www.careconnections .com

phone | ext 1102

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html

<http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html>

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt. com

> > > >

> > > >

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GREAT perspective, Todd.  We keep making the same mistakes over and over and

never learn that if the government creates a plan to help you...watch your

wallet!

Brad Thorne, P.T.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform

To: " PTManager " <PTManager >

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

Hello -

Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed

payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive

paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded

systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a

percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a

lot like Medicare.

Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that

simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . .

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociat es

www.therapeuticasso ciates.com

www.careconnections .com

phone | ext 1102

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html

<http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html>

> <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt. com

> > > >

> > > >

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GREAT perspective, Todd.  We keep making the same mistakes over and over and

never learn that if the government creates a plan to help you...watch your

wallet!

Brad Thorne, P.T.

Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle

Subject: RE: Re: Healthcare Reform

To: " PTManager " <PTManager >

Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 4:45 PM

 

Hello -

Has anyone else seen the irony with auto dealerships complaining about delayed

payments from the government with the " Cash for Clunkers " program? Excessive

paperwork, increased labor costs to submit forms, technical denials, overloaded

systems, dealers suspending participation due to slow cash flow (too high a

percentage of sales in the program), etc. I couldn't help but laugh - sounds a

lot like Medicare.

Good thing the program ran out of money so they could return to a model that

simply rewards those selling a quality product at a competitive price . . .

Todd

Todd Gifford PT

TherapeuticAssociat es

www.therapeuticasso ciates.com

www.careconnections .com

phone | ext 1102

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html

<http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html>

> <http://www.pbs. org/moyers/ journal/07312009 /watch.html

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt. com

> > > >

> > > >

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But aren't those the neighbors of the nosy employees who now work for private

insurers. No electronic record is truely sAfe from snooping.

,PT

Michigan

Sent from my iPhone

Wow, the more I learn about what HR3200 (the healthcare reform bill)

says, the more resolute I am in opposing it. Section 431(a) of the bill

says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including

the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of

dependents, and " other information as is prescribed by " regulation. That

information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and

state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for

" affordability credits. "

Section 245(B)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details --

there's no specified limit on what's available or unavailable -- to the

Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify

" affordability credits. "

Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain

tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a " low-income

prescription drug subsidy " but has not applied for it.

Tom Giovanetti from The Institute for Policy Innovation made a very

astute comment that: " How many thousands of federal employees will have

access to your records? The privacy of your health records will be only

as good as the most nosy, most dishonest and most malcontented federal

employee.... So say good-bye to privacy from the federal government. It

was fun while it lasted for 233 years. "

Curtis Marti, OTR/L

Inpatient Coordinator of Therapies

(office)

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I get it. No company is allowed to make profit off of someone's need.

Let's take for a moment " need " and make it a cube we can hold in our hands

or place on the table. Each time some body wants something they can point

to the cube. Food...point to the cube, housing...point to the cube,

healthcare...point to the cube. What those who argue for govt run health

care cant seem to understand is that the federal govt was designed to

perform a short list of responsibilities (see previous post). Those of you

who are asking for more govt involvement in our lives should look into

Tytlers life cycle of a democracy. The last steps are apathy,

dependence than bondage. DO we ever learn from history...?????? I cannot

get my mind around how we consider ourselves critical thinkers and problem

solvers but cant seem to find any answer to healthcare other than letting

the govt run it. Free market solutions are the only solutions. Free market

competition will always produce the best product at the lowest cost. By the

way, when did a need become a right as the left argues it is? Healthcare is

not a right. And when did it become a crime to make a profit? I will tell

you when it became a crime. When those in power want to keep there wealth

and at the same time prevent the rest of us from accumulating it. I refer

to is as " pulling up the ladder behind you. " Those who are wealthy are

entitled to it but the rest of us are not. For example, opting out of

government run healthcare....sound familiar?

Phil Caraher, DPT, MS, CSCS

Healthcare Reform

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> > former

> > > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

> the

> > > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

> watch

> > > > this

> > > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > > families.

> > > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

> on

> > > > this

> > > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

> <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html>

> > <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

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> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Great post. I would love to have someone breakdown who was for a central

banking system and who was not back when the constitution was being written.

There is a good book about ending the Fed called " The case against the Fed "

by Murray Rothbard.

Phil

Re: Re: Healthcare Reform

Dick,

As you probably recognize, the sudden urgency regarding the healthcare

reform issue is largely a smokescreen for our much greater and growing

financial, monetary, and economic woes. If we end the Federal Reserve

(which everyone by now hopefully knows isn't federal and isn't a reserve but

rather a private banking system), we could easily pay for a healthcare

system identical to the one our priviledged oligarchs ... er, I mean our

representatives to Congress, have. I encourage all to read such books as

The Creature From Jekyll Island and The Web of Debt to become more informed

and to push for HR1207 to audit the Federal Reserve and hopefull, eventually

rid ourselves of its shackles. After that, we can begin addressing

insurance reform, tort reform, and the myriad of other issues facing us and

affecting the future welfare of our country and our children.

Central banking systems have done nothing to stabilize our financial

systems. In fact, they have done the exact opposite as evidenced by our

experience of the two greatest financial disasters in history, the Great

Depression and the present Great Recession (cough, cough), both of which

occurred after the Federal Reserve was surreptitiously formed in 1913. The

push for the Federal Reserve came about as a consequence of the Panic of

1907. JP came to our rescue on that one and played the hero.

However, he was also the one who perpetrated it in the first place. The

same s, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc. pushed for the Federal Reserve

because of the manner in which it enriched them. BTW, they also pushed for

the progressive income tax in 1913 (obviously a very, very bad year for the

American public) which seemed to be a great idea on first appearances. But

when this power elite (who are far wealthier than Bill Gates or Warren

Buffet) have their wealth hidden in a spiderwebbed maze of trusts and

foundations on which they pay zero taxes, are the rich really paying more or

was it the middle class taken to the cleaners again (as we are now)?

, PT, OCS

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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Great post. I would love to have someone breakdown who was for a central

banking system and who was not back when the constitution was being written.

There is a good book about ending the Fed called " The case against the Fed "

by Murray Rothbard.

Phil

Re: Re: Healthcare Reform

Dick,

As you probably recognize, the sudden urgency regarding the healthcare

reform issue is largely a smokescreen for our much greater and growing

financial, monetary, and economic woes. If we end the Federal Reserve

(which everyone by now hopefully knows isn't federal and isn't a reserve but

rather a private banking system), we could easily pay for a healthcare

system identical to the one our priviledged oligarchs ... er, I mean our

representatives to Congress, have. I encourage all to read such books as

The Creature From Jekyll Island and The Web of Debt to become more informed

and to push for HR1207 to audit the Federal Reserve and hopefull, eventually

rid ourselves of its shackles. After that, we can begin addressing

insurance reform, tort reform, and the myriad of other issues facing us and

affecting the future welfare of our country and our children.

Central banking systems have done nothing to stabilize our financial

systems. In fact, they have done the exact opposite as evidenced by our

experience of the two greatest financial disasters in history, the Great

Depression and the present Great Recession (cough, cough), both of which

occurred after the Federal Reserve was surreptitiously formed in 1913. The

push for the Federal Reserve came about as a consequence of the Panic of

1907. JP came to our rescue on that one and played the hero.

However, he was also the one who perpetrated it in the first place. The

same s, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc. pushed for the Federal Reserve

because of the manner in which it enriched them. BTW, they also pushed for

the progressive income tax in 1913 (obviously a very, very bad year for the

American public) which seemed to be a great idea on first appearances. But

when this power elite (who are far wealthier than Bill Gates or Warren

Buffet) have their wealth hidden in a spiderwebbed maze of trusts and

foundations on which they pay zero taxes, are the rich really paying more or

was it the middle class taken to the cleaners again (as we are now)?

, PT, OCS

Healthcare Reform

> > > >

> > > > Hello all, hope this finds you well,

> > > > I wanted to share a link to an interview with Wendell Potter,

> former

> > > > vice-president of Cigna. I urge all of you with an interest in

the

> > > > outcome of the current healthcare debate to take the time to

watch

> > > this

> > > > interview and to then forward it to your patients, friends and

> > > families.

> > > > It is far time that we rescue health care from the grips of the

> > > > insurance industry. I am very interested to hear your opinions

on

> > > this

> > > > piece. Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.pbs.

<http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html>

org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html

<http://www.pbs. <http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html>

org/moyers/journal/07312009/watch.html>

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> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > E. s, PT, DPT

> > > > Orthopedic Clinical Specialist

> > > > Fellow American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists

> > > > www.douglasspt.com

> > > >

> > > >

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