Re: Just added ALA, some questions for you...

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>3) Do most people try a 3on 4off schedule and see if the child can >handle

>it, or is the 3on, 11off schedule more preferable? How do you >make that

>individual choice?

I simply decided to start small. So, I started with 3 on, 11 off. I

haven't changed it, because for us, it works well and my son is responding.

>4) If my son is tolerating the 25DMSA/12.5ALA, should I leave this >alone,

>or would it be valuable to increase the ALA to 25mg also?

My son weighs 48 lbs, and I use 25mg of DMSA and the same for ALA.

I noticed change with the first round, and my son just completed his 9th

round. So far, I've only seen positive changes. I can't address any

negatives at this point.

a - Peoria IL

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> I have just added ALA to my son's chelation protocol after many

months of

> using just DMSA. He is about 42 lbs and I gave him 25mg DMSA/12.5

ALA @3

> hours for three days. Since the addition of ALA is new for us, I

have a few

> questions that I was hoping someone with more experience could

answer for

> me:

Please take into account that I do NOT have experience with

adding ALA after use of DMSA. I have chelated mySELF (not

a child) with ALA only (not DMSA).

> 1) I have read posts where parents state that their child had some

> difficulties, or worsening of conditions (behavior, attention, etc)

for the

> first few rounds, and then their child started making progress

after

the

> first few months of chelation. Do most people experience this

" worsening "

> of behaviors? If so, is it due to the metals being " stirred up " ?

I think more metals being detoxed would be a big part of it.

Also there are lots of reports of more yeast.

High sulfur kids will also potentially react to the sulfur.

> 2) Similarly, I've read that the first day or two after a round is

> completed, the child may feel and act poorly. Is this also due to

stirring

> up and settling down of the metals in the brain?

the brain or elsewhere. I do think this is the reason.

> 3) Do most people try a 3on 4off schedule and see if the child can

handle

> it, or is the 3on, 11off schedule more preferable? How do you make

that

> individual choice?

I don't know what is " more common " . I personally (eventually)

settled on chelating every weekend UNLESS there was some reason

not to. So every Wednesday or Thursday I would try to decided

for that week. Reasons not to (for me) included: travelling,

extremely sleep deprived already for whatever reason, sick,

having an allergic reaction.

best wishes,

Moria

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We've done 7 rounds ALA only with our son, who is 5. In some ways he's shown

a lot of improvements during that time. Lots of physical things have gotten

better. He no longer sweats profusely at night. He is no longer sensitive to

the sun and daylight and now will go outside willingly to play in the

sunshine. He now, for the first time since he was 2, plays happily with our

cats, whereas for the past three years, if one of them so much as brushed him

with their tails or sat near his toys, he would panic and scream (sensory

stuff has gotten better).

However, other things have gotten worse. These may or may not be related to

ALA, as I'm also continually trying new supplements, trying to find something

that will help or work. Until I have a better feel for what's going on, we're

putting a hold on chelation. He has become more sensitive to phenols. For the

first time ever, he started exhibiting OCD behaviour. I didn't even know what

OCD was until a few weeks ago. He has become hyperactive in long stretches,

and this hyperactivity doesn't seem to respond to the yeast protocol that had

worked on hyperactivity previously.

We gave very tiny doses of ALA, only 5 ml per dose, every 3 hours, 3 day on,

11 or more days off. My son definitely was very irritable and uncomfortable

two days following chelation cycles. We learned not to plan any activities

with him for those two days.

I don't have any answers for you, just am sharing our experiences.

Debbie

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In a message dated 10/7/2002 6:55:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

ams1088@... writes:

> Reading your reply made me wonder why you are only giving ALA without the

> benefit of DMSA also? Is there a reason you are omiting the DMSA?

>

Yes, Sheryl, I know this isn't DAN protocol. According to my son's hair test,

he was tremendously high in arsenic, and, if you go by Andy's counting rules,

his mineral transport was fine, meaning that mercury might not be a

tremendous problem here. It had been almost four years since his last

immunization, and, according to Andy, it should be safe starting with ALA.

Also, a liver detox profile showed that his liver is functioning very poorly.

DMSA stresses the liver, while ALA is supposed to help it. So based on all of

that, we decided to try just the ALA.

Debbie

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In a message dated 10/7/2002 7:02:04 PM Central Daylight Time,

TwoTonks@... writes:

> Also, a liver detox profile showed that his liver is functioning very

> poorly.

> DMSA stresses the liver, while ALA is supposed to help it. So based on all

> of

> that, we decided to try just the ALA.

>

May i ask which test you did to find that information about the liver

functioning poorly?

ch

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In a message dated 10/7/2002 8:47:38 PM Central Daylight Time,

graceacademytx@... writes:

> May i ask which test you did to find that information about the liver

> functioning poorly?

> ch

>

Sure, it was the Great Smokies Comprehensive Liver Detox Profile.

debbie

[Guest guest]

Hi Moria,

Thanks for the reply. Since you are a very articulate adult, could you please

share with me some information on chelation? I have always wondered just how

chelation makes our children feel? Are there any particular sensations that you

feel during the cycle, or when it is over? Is it uncomfortable or painful at

all? My son just turned 5 today, and while he is verbal, he cannot explain to

me just how he feels and I was wondering if you could fill me in?

Thanks,

Sheryl

[ ] Re: Just added ALA, some questions for you...

> I have just added ALA to my son's chelation protocol after many

months of

> using just DMSA. He is about 42 lbs and I gave him 25mg DMSA/12.5

ALA @3

> hours for three days. Since the addition of ALA is new for us, I

have a few

> questions that I was hoping someone with more experience could

answer for

> me:

Please take into account that I do NOT have experience with

adding ALA after use of DMSA. I have chelated mySELF (not

a child) with ALA only (not DMSA).

> 1) I have read posts where parents state that their child had some

> difficulties, or worsening of conditions (behavior, attention, etc)

for the

> first few rounds, and then their child started making progress

after

the

> first few months of chelation. Do most people experience this

" worsening "

> of behaviors? If so, is it due to the metals being " stirred up " ?

I think more metals being detoxed would be a big part of it.

Also there are lots of reports of more yeast.

High sulfur kids will also potentially react to the sulfur.

> 2) Similarly, I've read that the first day or two after a round is

> completed, the child may feel and act poorly. Is this also due to

stirring

> up and settling down of the metals in the brain?

the brain or elsewhere. I do think this is the reason.

> 3) Do most people try a 3on 4off schedule and see if the child can

handle

> it, or is the 3on, 11off schedule more preferable? How do you make

that

> individual choice?

I don't know what is " more common " . I personally (eventually)

settled on chelating every weekend UNLESS there was some reason

not to. So every Wednesday or Thursday I would try to decided

for that week. Reasons not to (for me) included: travelling,

extremely sleep deprived already for whatever reason, sick,

having an allergic reaction.

best wishes,

Moria

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Hi Debbie,

Reading your reply made me wonder why you are only giving ALA without the

benefit of DMSA also? Is there a reason you are omiting the DMSA?

Sheryl

Re: [ ] Just added ALA, some questions for you...

We've done 7 rounds ALA only with our son, who is 5. In some ways he's shown

a lot of improvements during that time. Lots of physical things have gotten

better. He no longer sweats profusely at night. He is no longer sensitive to

the sun and daylight and now will go outside willingly to play in the

sunshine. He now, for the first time since he was 2, plays happily with our

cats, whereas for the past three years, if one of them so much as brushed him

with their tails or sat near his toys, he would panic and scream (sensory

stuff has gotten better).

However, other things have gotten worse. These may or may not be related to

ALA, as I'm also continually trying new supplements, trying to find something

that will help or work. Until I have a better feel for what's going on, we're

putting a hold on chelation. He has become more sensitive to phenols. For the

first time ever, he started exhibiting OCD behaviour. I didn't even know what

OCD was until a few weeks ago. He has become hyperactive in long stretches,

and this hyperactivity doesn't seem to respond to the yeast protocol that had

worked on hyperactivity previously.

We gave very tiny doses of ALA, only 5 ml per dose, every 3 hours, 3 day on,

11 or more days off. My son definitely was very irritable and uncomfortable

two days following chelation cycles. We learned not to plan any activities

with him for those two days.

I don't have any answers for you, just am sharing our experiences.

Debbie