Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...

[Guest guest]

Yes lots of thoughts. Like can I make them low in cortisol and then tell

THEM to heal without HC? The reason there are almost 3000 members of the

NTH Adrenals list is because doctors do nto know how to heal adrenals or

evne how to treat them. I have no tadvertised to gain that membership it

gathered when word got out that people were feelign better following

that protocol, and their doctor's methods were NOT working.In a perfect

world,m where hypo causes the weak adrneals they SHOULD heal when you

correct the hypo, however, our bodies are NOT perfect. and once the

adreanals are damaged form hypo thye do not utilize thyroidcorrectly so

you can;t take enough to get UNHYPO. SO how the heck can you get the

adrenals to function better whne the cause of their dysfunction cannto

be remoived?

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[Guest guest]

I recently read an article written by a Dr. that was " rail-roaded " from his

practice for using disseciated thyroid replacement. People from all over Canada

and other parts of the world came to see this Dr.

http://thyroid.about.com/library/news/blderry2.htm

Here's an article another article on adrenal glands:

http://thyroid.about.com/od/drdavidderry/l/bl11.htm

Shomon interviewed him and he was highly respected by his patients.

I thought you might find this reading interesting.

[Guest guest]

I've also had problems tolerating the thryoid meds and on the suggestio of

someone on another site I take a very small dose at bedtime. So far so good.

(fingers crossed) , I'm slowly rising and will spread through out the day.

>

> All...I have mentioned that I have been consulting with several biochemists

who are well known experts in the field of hormone therapy. When I mentioned to

them that I have difficulty tolerating any thyroid hormone and suggest that its

because my adrenals are in bad shape, they tell me to simply take less thyroid.

They are familiar with the arguments made on STTM about needing to fix the

adrenals first and respectfully disagree...saying that my adrenals are in bad

shape in part because I was low thyroid to begin with. They believe cortef is

highly toxic even in small doses and that those taking it are causing longterm

harm. Instead they say if you can't tolerate thyroid in my case T3..simply

reduce the level of thyroid until you can tolerate it and build up slowly...this

will heal the adrenals. Any thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

I've also had problems tolerating the thryoid meds and on the suggestio of

someone on another site I take a very small dose at bedtime. So far so good.

(fingers crossed) , I'm slowly rising and will spread through out the day.

>

> All...I have mentioned that I have been consulting with several biochemists

who are well known experts in the field of hormone therapy. When I mentioned to

them that I have difficulty tolerating any thyroid hormone and suggest that its

because my adrenals are in bad shape, they tell me to simply take less thyroid.

They are familiar with the arguments made on STTM about needing to fix the

adrenals first and respectfully disagree...saying that my adrenals are in bad

shape in part because I was low thyroid to begin with. They believe cortef is

highly toxic even in small doses and that those taking it are causing longterm

harm. Instead they say if you can't tolerate thyroid in my case T3..simply

reduce the level of thyroid until you can tolerate it and build up slowly...this

will heal the adrenals. Any thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

I've also had problems tolerating the thryoid meds and on the suggestio of

someone on another site I take a very small dose at bedtime. So far so good.

(fingers crossed) , I'm slowly rising and will spread through out the day.

>>>>>

Thanks Sheila and Val...and I have read that Dr. Derry article...got me

thinking! These biochemsists beleive that people who can't tolerate thyroid are

simply taking too much at a time...that it needs to be smaller doses...taken

frequently throughout the day...I plan to try this and will report back....HC

terrifies me and I would like to avoid it if at all possible! Thanks again for

your feedback.

>

>

>

> >

> > All...I have mentioned that I have been consulting with several biochemists

who are well known experts in the field of hormone therapy. When I mentioned to

them that I have difficulty tolerating any thyroid hormone and suggest that its

because my adrenals are in bad shape, they tell me to simply take less thyroid.

They are familiar with the arguments made on STTM about needing to fix the

adrenals first and respectfully disagree...saying that my adrenals are in bad

shape in part because I was low thyroid to begin with. They believe cortef is

highly toxic even in small doses and that those taking it are causing longterm

harm. Instead they say if you can't tolerate thyroid in my case T3..simply

reduce the level of thyroid until you can tolerate it and build up slowly...this

will heal the adrenals. Any thoughts?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I've also had problems tolerating the thryoid meds and on the suggestio of

someone on another site I take a very small dose at bedtime. So far so good.

(fingers crossed) , I'm slowly rising and will spread through out the day.

>>>>>

Thanks Sheila and Val...and I have read that Dr. Derry article...got me

thinking! These biochemsists beleive that people who can't tolerate thyroid are

simply taking too much at a time...that it needs to be smaller doses...taken

frequently throughout the day...I plan to try this and will report back....HC

terrifies me and I would like to avoid it if at all possible! Thanks again for

your feedback.

>

>

>

> >

> > All...I have mentioned that I have been consulting with several biochemists

who are well known experts in the field of hormone therapy. When I mentioned to

them that I have difficulty tolerating any thyroid hormone and suggest that its

because my adrenals are in bad shape, they tell me to simply take less thyroid.

They are familiar with the arguments made on STTM about needing to fix the

adrenals first and respectfully disagree...saying that my adrenals are in bad

shape in part because I was low thyroid to begin with. They believe cortef is

highly toxic even in small doses and that those taking it are causing longterm

harm. Instead they say if you can't tolerate thyroid in my case T3..simply

reduce the level of thyroid until you can tolerate it and build up slowly...this

will heal the adrenals. Any thoughts?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i have a teenage daughter with hashimoto's...she is taking 3 grains of armour and is feeling well at this time..her weight is stable but not going lower and she is overweight at this time by about 10 lbs in spite of being very physically active in sports...my question is....her basal body temp never gets over 97.1 and stays there...so i am thinking her adrenals need some support..we have been working on raising her ferritin which was only 24 3 months ago by taking iron supplements and B12 etc...we have not had adrenals tested and cannot afford to do it until next blood work done...so in the meantime...what would be the simplest way to support her adrenals without having to have doctors prescription...i would like to try it before we see him next time and have him draw her RT3 and perhaps switch to T3 meds...she feels well on 3g of NT but i dont

think she is optimal due to her low temp...any ideas would be appreciated..Subject: Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...To: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:20 PM

Yes lots of thoughts. Like can I make them low in cortisol and then tell

THEM to heal without HC? The reason there are almost 3000 members of the

NTH Adrenals list is because doctors do nto know how to heal adrenals or

evne how to treat them. I have no tadvertised to gain that membership it

gathered when word got out that people were feelign better following

that protocol, and their doctor's methods were NOT working.In a perfect

world,m where hypo causes the weak adrneals they SHOULD heal when you

correct the hypo, however, our bodies are NOT perfect. and once the

adreanals are damaged form hypo thye do not utilize thyroidcorrectly so

you can;t take enough to get UNHYPO. SO how the heck can you get the

adrenals to function better whne the cause of their dysfunction cannto

be remoived?

--

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http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

i have a teenage daughter with hashimoto's...she is taking 3 grains of armour and is feeling well at this time..her weight is stable but not going lower and she is overweight at this time by about 10 lbs in spite of being very physically active in sports...my question is....her basal body temp never gets over 97.1 and stays there...so i am thinking her adrenals need some support..we have been working on raising her ferritin which was only 24 3 months ago by taking iron supplements and B12 etc...we have not had adrenals tested and cannot afford to do it until next blood work done...so in the meantime...what would be the simplest way to support her adrenals without having to have doctors prescription...i would like to try it before we see him next time and have him draw her RT3 and perhaps switch to T3 meds...she feels well on 3g of NT but i dont

think she is optimal due to her low temp...any ideas would be appreciated..Subject: Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...To: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:20 PM

Yes lots of thoughts. Like can I make them low in cortisol and then tell

THEM to heal without HC? The reason there are almost 3000 members of the

NTH Adrenals list is because doctors do nto know how to heal adrenals or

evne how to treat them. I have no tadvertised to gain that membership it

gathered when word got out that people were feelign better following

that protocol, and their doctor's methods were NOT working.In a perfect

world,m where hypo causes the weak adrneals they SHOULD heal when you

correct the hypo, however, our bodies are NOT perfect. and once the

adreanals are damaged form hypo thye do not utilize thyroidcorrectly so

you can;t take enough to get UNHYPO. SO how the heck can you get the

adrenals to function better whne the cause of their dysfunction cannto

be remoived?

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo rmonesADRENALS/

http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

we have not had adrenals tested and cannot afford to do it until next blood work

done...so in the meantime...what would be the simplest way to support her

adrenals without having to have doctors prescription...i would like to try it

before we see him next time and have him draw her RT3 and perhaps switch to T3

meds...she feels well on 3g of NT but i dont think she is optimal due to her low

temp...any ideas would be appreciated..

<<<<<<<<

I know some on here will recommend hydrocortisone or some of the adaptagenic

herbs like rhodiola and ashwaganda but if i were you i would start with diet.

This is frequently overlooked...eliminate all high glycemic carbs, grains and

sugars...lean organic protein at every meal...I take Great Lakes Gelatin at

every meal and I think it helps a lot. It is a protein powder made from bovine

cartilage...it has lots of amino acids that are in short supply in other protein

foods. It is highly recommended for healing the adrenals. According to a

number of authorities the Weston Price/paleolithic diet causes the adrenals to

snap back to health quickly...I also consume a lot of sea salt and vitamin

C...good luck to you let us know how your daughter is doing!

[Guest guest]

where do you get the great lakes gelatin? and how do you eat it?? i will discuss this with my teenager....not always easy thing to do....thanks! will keep you posted!Subject: Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...To: RT3_T3 Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 8:28 PM

we have not had adrenals tested and cannot afford to do it until next blood work done...so in the meantime...what would be the simplest way to support her adrenals without having to have doctors prescription. ..i would like to try it before we see him next time and have him draw her RT3 and perhaps switch to T3 meds...she feels well on 3g of NT but i dont think she is optimal due to her low temp...any ideas would be appreciated. .

<<<<<<<<

I know some on here will recommend hydrocortisone or some of the adaptagenic herbs like rhodiola and ashwaganda but if i were you i would start with diet. This is frequently overlooked.. .eliminate all high glycemic carbs, grains and sugars...lean organic protein at every meal...I take Great Lakes Gelatin at every meal and I think it helps a lot. It is a protein powder made from bovine cartilage... it has lots of amino acids that are in short supply in other protein foods. It is highly recommended for healing the adrenals. According to a number of authorities the Weston Price/paleolithic diet causes the adrenals to snap back to health quickly...I also consume a lot of sea salt and vitamin C...good luck to you let us know how your daughter is doing!

[Guest guest]

i did the paleolithic for 6 months and did not heal or come close to

improving my adrenals. i like the diet a lot for other reasons.

[Guest guest]

I just do not understand how a diet can heal adrenals unless the diet is high in cortisol.  This just makes no sense to me.  IMVHO this is wishful thinking.

i did the paleolithic for 6 months and did not heal or come close to

improving my adrenals.   i like the diet a lot for other reasons.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

> I just do not understand how a diet can heal adrenals unless the diet is high

in cortisol. This just makes no sense to me. IMVHO this is wishful thinking.

<<<<<<

I have found that it helps me but you have to be strict...I suspect there are

many cheaters on here. I limit my carbs to 75 grams per day....No grains...no

sugar...no processed food....limit fruits...lean organic animal protein and lots

of vegetables...if they are goitrogenic ...cook them well...lots of sea salt and

no soy or flouride!! I realize this is hard to implement but if you are strict

about it and stick with it, I guarantee you will see some results. Some people

have healed Rheumatiod arthritis with this diet....see the book Neanderthin.

Ray Peat recommends 100 grams for protein per day. You can find Great Lakes

Gelatin online

it will help you get your protein.

[Guest guest]

I never recommend Hydrocortisone wihtout testing first,. Please do NOT

misquote me. Adaptogenic herbs yes but again this is very difficult to

recommend wihtout testing first as some lower cortiosl and some attempt

to stimulate more production. Diet support is a given which is why I

seldom mention it. Usually by the time people reach these groups thye

have tried diet as a means to improve their health. Maybe I should

mentionit more, but as this is a group specific to thyorid NOT diet it

often is not mentioned.

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[Guest guest]

I never recommend Hydrocortisone wihtout testing first,. Please do NOT

misquote me. Adaptogenic herbs yes but again this is very difficult to

recommend wihtout testing first as some lower cortiosl and some attempt

to stimulate more production. Diet support is a given which is why I

seldom mention it. Usually by the time people reach these groups thye

have tried diet as a means to improve their health. Maybe I should

mentionit more, but as this is a group specific to thyorid NOT diet it

often is not mentioned.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

I have only one statement, If it works, why are you here? I am so sick

of hearing all the " easy " fixes for our hormone issues and I have YET to

see the proof. What I see are doctors and websites sellign things

gettign rich off sick people. I also see " prophets " that have their own

agendas and push their beliefs to the exclusion of all else. When the

body's hormone system is broken, it takes MAJOR things to fix it. There

is NO easy cure, there is no ONE answer for all. I have been on a low

carb, low glycemic diet for the last 4 years, and NO I do not cheat. I

resent being called a cheater. When you have had a near death brush and

doctors give up on you, cheating is only on yourself so it is NOT done

by an intelligent person. My inslin graph doesn;t lie either. Diet did

VERY little to correct my glucose, btu certain supplements have improved

it drastically. Probably as my diet wasn;t bad to begin wiht. While you

assume we all eat poorly, why do we spend THOUSANDS of dollars on

supplement to get well then cheat on diet? I think you underestimate the

will power of the people on this group and their desire to heal.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

I have only one statement, If it works, why are you here? I am so sick

of hearing all the " easy " fixes for our hormone issues and I have YET to

see the proof. What I see are doctors and websites sellign things

gettign rich off sick people. I also see " prophets " that have their own

agendas and push their beliefs to the exclusion of all else. When the

body's hormone system is broken, it takes MAJOR things to fix it. There

is NO easy cure, there is no ONE answer for all. I have been on a low

carb, low glycemic diet for the last 4 years, and NO I do not cheat. I

resent being called a cheater. When you have had a near death brush and

doctors give up on you, cheating is only on yourself so it is NOT done

by an intelligent person. My inslin graph doesn;t lie either. Diet did

VERY little to correct my glucose, btu certain supplements have improved

it drastically. Probably as my diet wasn;t bad to begin wiht. While you

assume we all eat poorly, why do we spend THOUSANDS of dollars on

supplement to get well then cheat on diet? I think you underestimate the

will power of the people on this group and their desire to heal.

--

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

[Guest guest]

Dawn

Has she tried to increase her armour? Have you posted her test results?

Personally I wouldnt go on HC unless it was the last hope.

> i have a teenage daughter with hashimoto's...she is taking 3 grains of armour

and is feeling well at this time..her weight is stable but not going lower and

she is overweight at this time by about 10 lbs in spite of being very physically

active in sports...

>

> my question is....her basal body temp never gets over 97.1 and stays

there...so i am thinking her adrenals need some support..we have been working on

raising her ferritin which was only 24 3 months ago by taking iron supplements

and B12 etc...

>

> we have not had adrenals tested and cannot afford to do it until next blood

work done...so in the meantime...what would be the simplest way to support her

adrenals without having to have doctors prescription...i would like to try it

before we see him next time and have him draw her RT3 and perhaps switch to T3

meds...she feels well on 3g of NT but i dont think she is optimal due to her low

temp...any ideas would be appreciated..

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...

> To: RT3_T3

> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:20 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> Yes lots of thoughts. Like can I make them low in cortisol

and then tell

>

> THEM to heal without HC? The reason there are almost 3000 members of the

>

> NTH Adrenals list is because doctors do nto know how to heal adrenals or

>

> evne how to treat them. I have no tadvertised to gain that membership it

>

> gathered when word got out that people were feelign better following

>

> that protocol, and their doctor's methods were NOT working.In a perfect

>

> world,m where hypo causes the weak adrneals they SHOULD heal when you

>

> correct the hypo, however, our bodies are NOT perfect. and once the

>

> adreanals are damaged form hypo thye do not utilize thyroidcorrectly so

>

> you can;t take enough to get UNHYPO. SO how the heck can you get the

>

> adrenals to function better whne the cause of their dysfunction cannto

>

> be remoived?

>

>

>

> --

>

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

>

>

> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

>

> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo

rmonesADRENALS/

>

> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

>

> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn

Has she tried to increase her armour? Have you posted her test results?

Personally I wouldnt go on HC unless it was the last hope.

> i have a teenage daughter with hashimoto's...she is taking 3 grains of armour

and is feeling well at this time..her weight is stable but not going lower and

she is overweight at this time by about 10 lbs in spite of being very physically

active in sports...

>

> my question is....her basal body temp never gets over 97.1 and stays

there...so i am thinking her adrenals need some support..we have been working on

raising her ferritin which was only 24 3 months ago by taking iron supplements

and B12 etc...

>

> we have not had adrenals tested and cannot afford to do it until next blood

work done...so in the meantime...what would be the simplest way to support her

adrenals without having to have doctors prescription...i would like to try it

before we see him next time and have him draw her RT3 and perhaps switch to T3

meds...she feels well on 3g of NT but i dont think she is optimal due to her low

temp...any ideas would be appreciated..

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...

> To: RT3_T3

> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:20 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

>

> Yes lots of thoughts. Like can I make them low in cortisol

and then tell

>

> THEM to heal without HC? The reason there are almost 3000 members of the

>

> NTH Adrenals list is because doctors do nto know how to heal adrenals or

>

> evne how to treat them. I have no tadvertised to gain that membership it

>

> gathered when word got out that people were feelign better following

>

> that protocol, and their doctor's methods were NOT working.In a perfect

>

> world,m where hypo causes the weak adrneals they SHOULD heal when you

>

> correct the hypo, however, our bodies are NOT perfect. and once the

>

> adreanals are damaged form hypo thye do not utilize thyroidcorrectly so

>

> you can;t take enough to get UNHYPO. SO how the heck can you get the

>

> adrenals to function better whne the cause of their dysfunction cannto

>

> be remoived?

>

>

>

> --

>

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

>

>

> http://www.stopthet hyroidmadness. com/

>

> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NaturalThyroidHo

rmonesADRENALS/

>

> http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ RT3_T3/

>

> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

No one has suggested HC for this girl. And I sincerely doubt NAYONE on

this group would without seeing testing first. It is possible she has

RT3 issues and her adreanls are NOT the issue.

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[Guest guest]

i just increased her NT from 3 grains to 3 1/4 grain....she has not trouble

tolerating the NT..i do think she may have an RT3 issue but am trying to raise

her ferritin..she goes back to doctor in 2 months...figure at that time we can

run the RT3 and hopefully her ferritin will be higher so we can make sure that

is not the issue...but i went ahead and raised her NT this week ...so we can see

if her temp can go up and stay up....

by the way....if she increases her NT a bit and gets a higher basal body temp

for a week or so then it goes back down what does that mean...that happened to

her when we raised it the last time...it went up to 97.6 for a week then down to

97.1 and has stayed down...so does that mean adrenals or RT3 issue or nothing

without more information??

>

> Dawn

>

> Has she tried to increase her armour? Have you posted her test results?

Personally I wouldnt go on HC unless it was the last hope.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would say that could indicate RT3 oin the rise. The temps go up in

response to higher T3 coming in then as the higher T4 startes creating

more RT3, it drops back down.

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[Guest guest]

so if that is the case we can only really know it by checking RT3 levels>?? and if they are below 20 then the only way to fix it is to drop NT and go to T3 only meds??Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid heals adrenals...To: RT3_T3 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:49 PM

I would say that could indicate RT3 oin the rise. The temps go up in

response to higher T3 coming in then as the higher T4 startes creating

more RT3, it drops back down.

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[Guest guest]

You can either test for RT3 ratio with a FT3 or oyu could just give T3 a

trial.

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[Guest guest]

You can either test for RT3 ratio with a FT3 or oyu could just give T3 a

trial.

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