Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Does anyone know the website to Tech Pro? Re: Just following protocols In a message dated 3/10/2004 12:03:22 AM Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Since there seem to be a sizable number of list members who believe that following protocols insulates you from any liability, I would like to propose two situations for the list to ponder. While I do not have Gene's trip to Ladonia to offer, I can offer an even better prize - no trip to Ladonia. 1) Your medical director has instituted a dental pain protocol for all EMS personnel in your system. It states that any ECA, EMT-B, EMT-I, or EMT-P, upon observing visible cavities is allowed to use a pair of dental pliers (contained in the truck's trauma bag) to remove the patient's decayed tooth. What liabilities exist? What happens if what I see is actually just food in the nook of the tooth? Hell I wouldnt know what a cavaties looked like with out some one educating me about them. 2) Your new medical director has instituted another new protocol. It allows ECAs to obtain and interpret 12-lead EKG data. Upon interpretation, ECAs are allowed to administer ACLS protocols. Discuss the liability. I know paramedics that struggle with 12 lead interpretation. How can an ECA interpret them with thier limited base knowledge? How many zero's do you want on that check? Just some thoughts to ponder for those who think " following protocols " is always safe. Protocols are guidelines for our diagnostic abilities. Just because A paramedic/EMT or what ever follows protocols dosent insulate him/her from a lawsuit. I as a paramedic decide which set of protocols to follow and If I choose the wrong ones. My patient could die. Then its not the Doctors ass alone. It is also mine. I made the decision, I gave the drugs. Ask any nurse. Just because a doctor gives an oder dosent protect you from the lawsuits. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu -Wes Ogilvie PS Wes is a grand supporter of the EMS in Texas. Thanks Wes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 http://techproservices.net/ Regards, Donn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ D.E. (Donn) , LP, NREMT-P Don't Miss EMStock 2004 www.EMStock.com Re: Tech Pro Does anyone know the website to Tech Pro? Re: Just following protocols In a message dated 3/10/2004 12:03:22 AM Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Since there seem to be a sizable number of list members who believe that following protocols insulates you from any liability, I would like to propose two situations for the list to ponder. While I do not have Gene's trip to Ladonia to offer, I can offer an even better prize - no trip to Ladonia. 1) Your medical director has instituted a dental pain protocol for all EMS personnel in your system. It states that any ECA, EMT-B, EMT-I, or EMT-P, upon observing visible cavities is allowed to use a pair of dental pliers (contained in the truck's trauma bag) to remove the patient's decayed tooth. What liabilities exist? What happens if what I see is actually just food in the nook of the tooth? Hell I wouldnt know what a cavaties looked like with out some one educating me about them. 2) Your new medical director has instituted another new protocol. It allows ECAs to obtain and interpret 12-lead EKG data. Upon interpretation, ECAs are allowed to administer ACLS protocols. Discuss the liability. I know paramedics that struggle with 12 lead interpretation. How can an ECA interpret them with thier limited base knowledge? How many zero's do you want on that check? Just some thoughts to ponder for those who think " following protocols " is always safe. Protocols are guidelines for our diagnostic abilities. Just because A paramedic/EMT or what ever follows protocols dosent insulate him/her from a lawsuit. I as a paramedic decide which set of protocols to follow and If I choose the wrong ones. My patient could die. Then its not the Doctors ass alone. It is also mine. I made the decision, I gave the drugs. Ask any nurse. Just because a doctor gives an oder dosent protect you from the lawsuits. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu -Wes Ogilvie PS Wes is a grand supporter of the EMS in Texas. Thanks Wes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Thanks guys, got it. Re: Just following protocols In a message dated 3/10/2004 12:03:22 AM Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Since there seem to be a sizable number of list members who believe that following protocols insulates you from any liability, I would like to propose two situations for the list to ponder. While I do not have Gene's trip to Ladonia to offer, I can offer an even better prize - no trip to Ladonia. 1) Your medical director has instituted a dental pain protocol for all EMS personnel in your system. It states that any ECA, EMT-B, EMT-I, or EMT-P, upon observing visible cavities is allowed to use a pair of dental pliers (contained in the truck's trauma bag) to remove the patient's decayed tooth. What liabilities exist? What happens if what I see is actually just food in the nook of the tooth? Hell I wouldnt know what a cavaties looked like with out some one educating me about them. 2) Your new medical director has instituted another new protocol. It allows ECAs to obtain and interpret 12-lead EKG data. Upon interpretation, ECAs are allowed to administer ACLS protocols. Discuss the liability. I know paramedics that struggle with 12 lead interpretation. How can an ECA interpret them with thier limited base knowledge? How many zero's do you want on that check? Just some thoughts to ponder for those who think " following protocols " is always safe. Protocols are guidelines for our diagnostic abilities. Just because A paramedic/EMT or what ever follows protocols dosent insulate him/her from a lawsuit. I as a paramedic decide which set of protocols to follow and If I choose the wrong ones. My patient could die. Then its not the Doctors ass alone. It is also mine. I made the decision, I gave the drugs. Ask any nurse. Just because a doctor gives an oder dosent protect you from the lawsuits. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu -Wes Ogilvie PS Wes is a grand supporter of the EMS in Texas. Thanks Wes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 www.techproservice.net " Salvador Capuchino " <scapuchino@... To r.com> < > cc 03/11/2004 04:49 PM Subject Re: Tech Pro Please respond to @yahoog roups.com Does anyone know the website to Tech Pro? Re: Just following protocols In a message dated 3/10/2004 12:03:22 AM Central Standard Time, ExLngHrn@... writes: Since there seem to be a sizable number of list members who believe that following protocols insulates you from any liability, I would like to propose two situations for the list to ponder. While I do not have Gene's trip to Ladonia to offer, I can offer an even better prize - no trip to Ladonia. 1) Your medical director has instituted a dental pain protocol for all EMS personnel in your system. It states that any ECA, EMT-B, EMT-I, or EMT-P, upon observing visible cavities is allowed to use a pair of dental pliers (contained in the truck's trauma bag) to remove the patient's decayed tooth. What liabilities exist? What happens if what I see is actually just food in the nook of the tooth? Hell I wouldnt know what a cavaties looked like with out some one educating me about them. 2) Your new medical director has instituted another new protocol. It allows ECAs to obtain and interpret 12-lead EKG data. Upon interpretation, ECAs are allowed to administer ACLS protocols. Discuss the liability. I know paramedics that struggle with 12 lead interpretation. How can an ECA interpret them with thier limited base knowledge? How many zero's do you want on that check? Just some thoughts to ponder for those who think " following protocols " is always safe. Protocols are guidelines for our diagnostic abilities. Just because A paramedic/EMT or what ever follows protocols dosent insulate him/her from a lawsuit. I as a paramedic decide which set of protocols to follow and If I choose the wrong ones. My patient could die. Then its not the Doctors ass alone. It is also mine. I made the decision, I gave the drugs. Ask any nurse. Just because a doctor gives an oder dosent protect you from the lawsuits. Just my little old humble opinion. Tom LeNeveu -Wes Ogilvie PS Wes is a grand supporter of the EMS in Texas. Thanks Wes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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